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Jan 11 06:31:28 <NAiL> ~weather ENHE
Jan 11 06:31:41 <jbot> Heidrun, Norway; (ENHE) 65-19-30N 002-19-36E; last updated: 2006.01.11 1250 UTC; Dew Point: 37 F (3 C); Pressure (altimeter): 28.53 in. Hg (0966 hPa); Relative Humidity: 86%; Sky conditions: partly cloudy; Visibility: 1 mile(s); Weather: 41 F (5 C); Wind: from the SW (220 degrees) at 92 MPH (80 KT) gusting to 110 MPH (96 KT)
Jan 11 06:33:07 <NAiL> ~weather enva
Jan 11 06:33:11 <jbot> Trondheim / Vaernes, Norway; (ENVA) 63-28N 010-56E 17M; last updated: 2006.01.11 1220 UTC; Dew Point: 26 F (-3 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.09 in. Hg (0985 hPa); Relative Humidity: 42%; Temperature: 48 F (9 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the S (190 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 KT) gusting to 23 MPH (20 KT) (direction variable)
Jan 11 07:24:37 <CIA-8> 03bzhou * 10unslung/Makefile: changed my mind about different postgresql versions with different ipk's
Jan 11 08:14:12 <CIA-8> 03ingeba * 10unslung/make/lumikki.mk: Initial release of Lumikki checked in on behalf of Aski Kauppi - note: requires lua in build environment
Jan 11 08:16:25 <CIA-8> 03ingeba * 10unslung/Makefile: Added lumikki to READY_FOR_TESTING
Jan 11 12:05:19 <BuBal> hi
Jan 11 12:05:21 <BuBal> I'm having problems building slug images from scratch (MasterMakefile)
Jan 11 12:05:28 <BuBal> I've tried debianslug-image and unslug as well - always the same problem while compiling libtool
Jan 11 12:08:10 <BuBal> http://jesusch.homeip.net/~jesusch/tmp/log.do_compile.25248
Jan 11 12:08:14 <BuBal> this error occurs
Jan 11 13:21:02 <rwhitby> BuBal: you have a symlink somewhere in your directory tree path
Jan 11 13:21:18 <rwhitby> (see the warning on wiki/Development/MasterMakefile)
Jan 11 13:45:01 <eFfeM> rwhitby, saw your suggestion for make debianslug-image, and actually my system is chewing on this now, but I have some questions
Jan 11 13:45:18 <rwhitby> eFfeM: shoort
Jan 11 13:45:19 <eFfeM> i'm not very familiar with debian; does that mean I should go the sarge route?
Jan 11 13:45:32 <rwhitby> with debianslug, you can go either sarge or sid.
Jan 11 13:46:01 <rwhitby> you seem to me to be a bleeding edge type of guy, so sid might be more your style
Jan 11 13:46:04 <eFfeM> also will this only put a bootloader on the flash and boot an image on the harddisk or is the image on the flash
Jan 11 13:46:32 <rwhitby> this puts an LE OpenSlug image on the flash, and you use that to debootstrap debian onto an external flash or disk
Jan 11 13:46:43 <eFfeM> well, actually I am, but the sid instructions are more work and I do not really know the difference
Jan 11 13:46:52 <eFfeM> ah, I see
Jan 11 13:46:57 <rwhitby> actually, the sid instructions are easier
Jan 11 13:47:03 <rwhitby> which page are you looking at?
Jan 11 13:47:30 <eFfeM> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/Bootstrap
Jan 11 13:48:28 <eFfeM> is there a better page
Jan 11 13:48:37 <rwhitby> the sarge instructions there are in addition to the sid instructions.  That is the best page.
Jan 11 13:49:12 <rwhitby> I would suggest sid for you.  That's what I'm running.
Jan 11 13:49:19 <eFfeM> ah, this tricked me into thinking something different
Jan 11 13:49:20 <eFfeM> The first set of instructions on this page are relevant to the unstable ("Sid") Debian distribution. For the stable Debian distribution, see the last part of this page. Please do not get the two sets of instructions mixed up.
Jan 11 13:49:38 <eFfeM> so I assumed only the last few lines were relevant
Jan 11 13:51:48 <eFfeM> restarting the make, getting glibc failed, trying again
Jan 11 13:53:33 <rwhitby> eFfeM: or if you really want to go with sarge, you can then update that page :-)
Jan 11 13:53:54 <eFfeM> basically the first thing I want to do is test if my usb audio works, it works on i386/fedora, but not on nslu2/openslug
Jan 11 13:54:53 <eFfeM> sure, i'll definitely update the wiki if I discover things that could help others
Jan 11 13:56:51 <rwhitby> eFfeM: sid would be best then - more chance of any bugs being fixed
Jan 11 13:57:06 <rwhitby> (you can report bugs against sarge unless they are security related)
Jan 11 13:57:18 <VoodooZ_Work> eFfeM, do you think those cheap little usb sound dongles sold on ebay would be supported under linux?
Jan 11 13:59:37 <VoodooZ_Work> Like the one here: http://cgi.ebay.ca/USB-Sound-Card-Adapter-4-MSN-AOL-VOIP-Internet-Phone_W0QQitemZ5852132059QQcategoryZ61841QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Jan 11 14:00:21 <eFfeM> rwhitby "(you can report" ? I assume you mean you cannot. Right? It would be odd to be able not to report security related bugs
Jan 11 14:01:36 <eFfeM> VoodooZ_Work, I think you have a reasonable chance. Saw some reports on them. Of course it is always a guess because you do not know what is in it, but some (most? all??) seem to have cmedia chipsets
Jan 11 14:01:47 <eFfeM> and these cmedia things are supported apparently
Jan 11 14:02:09 <eFfeM> in the wiki and on the group there have been some reports of cheap devices working
Jan 11 14:02:40 <eFfeM> might try to pick up one if/when I end up in hong kong or singapore this year
Jan 11 14:03:35 <rwhitby> eFfeM: yes, I meant cannot
Jan 11 14:03:55 <eFfeM> ok, good, then my english still works (LOL)
Jan 11 14:04:25 <eFfeM> not my native tongue, so I always ask myself if the mistake is not on my side
Jan 11 14:05:51 <eFfeM> might need to try later: NOTE: fetch http://sources.nslu2-linux.org/sources/ports_sources.redhat.com__20060111.tar.gz gives me a 404 
Jan 11 14:05:57 <VoodooZ_Work> eFfeM, cool. I ordered one already so we'll see.
Jan 11 14:06:10 <eFfeM> VoodooZ_Work, that specific one?
Jan 11 14:06:17 <VoodooZ_Work> There's lots coming from HongKong it seems.
Jan 11 14:06:35 <VoodooZ_Work> eFfeM, maybe not the exact same but the picture looks the same. let me check...
Jan 11 14:06:43 <VoodooZ_Work> They are all pretty much noname brands.
Jan 11 14:07:06 <eFfeM> yes, they are all $.01 or $0.99 or so. often with $10 shipping (or 8 euro or 6 pounds or so)
Jan 11 14:07:11 <eFfeM> indeed a lot of nonames
Jan 11 14:07:32 <eFfeM> VoodooZ_Work, please drop a msg if you get it working
Jan 11 14:08:13 <VoodooZ_Work> cool. I will
Jan 11 14:08:32 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah. I just got screwed on shipping from a guy in the US.
Jan 11 14:08:53 <VoodooZ_Work> It would be a cool addition to my robot to give it speech using flite.
Jan 11 14:09:00 <eFfeM> i've seen a lot of screwing wrt shipping on ebay
Jan 11 14:09:51 <eFfeM> haven't used flite, is this not too heavy for the slug? 
Jan 11 14:09:52 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah, 17$ USD shipping for a 5$ gadget. I don't care about the packaging either.
Jan 11 14:09:54 <eFfeM> good quality ?
Jan 11 14:10:32 <VoodooZ_Work> well, it's a port of festival for small memory footprint embedded targets like PDA so we'll see how it does.
Jan 11 14:10:46 <eFfeM> just browsing the website
Jan 11 14:10:46 <VoodooZ_Work> I'm not expecting too much. It's just for show really.
Jan 11 14:10:55 <VoodooZ_Work> The package is in OE already too!
Jan 11 14:11:16 <VoodooZ_Work> let me know if you try it.
Jan 11 14:12:40 <VoodooZ_Work> cool. it's even thread safe so that will fit well in my multithreaded robot code.
Jan 11 14:13:58 <eFfeM> will need to get audio working first! also no dutch voices as far as I can google
Jan 11 14:14:49 <VoodooZ_Work> I was still pretty happy to find this as festival is much more bulky.
Jan 11 14:15:03 <VoodooZ_Work> yep. I just hope my dongle is linux compliant
Jan 11 14:15:09 * VoodooZ_Work crosses his fingers.
Jan 11 14:25:48 <drif> does unslung5.5b support anything such as /.ext3flash?
Jan 11 14:26:02 <rwhitby> yes
Jan 11 14:27:26 <drif> such as? I didn't notice anything when I used /.ext3flash
Jan 11 14:32:10 <rwhitby> it probably only does noatime on the mounts now
Jan 11 14:32:35 <rwhitby> grep for that flag file name in /etc/rc.d/*
Jan 11 14:33:14 <drif> this is interesting - I can telnet but not login as anything :-\
Jan 11 14:33:19 <drif> anyone
Jan 11 14:34:01 <drif> and telnetd was suddenly disabled :-\ had unslung scripts and all working fine
Jan 11 14:37:33 <drif> what could have happened overnight :-\ I left it running and it was fine
Jan 11 14:47:35 <akauppi> Hey, any life here?
Jan 11 14:47:53 <rwhitby> none as fast as you, akauppi ...
Jan 11 14:49:16 <akauppi> I'd like to get SF cvs access rights, to place my .ipk's there.
Jan 11 14:49:29 <akauppi> askok@dnainternet.net
Jan 11 14:49:54 <rwhitby> akauppi: see http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/AddAPackageToUnslung for the procedure
Jan 11 14:50:11 <rwhitby> and we don't add .ipks, we add source files to build them.  the building is done automatically.
Jan 11 14:50:33 <rwhitby> basically, send you new .mk file to the mailing list, and you get write access
Jan 11 14:51:44 <akauppi> well, I have done that.  and .mk was what I meant.
Jan 11 14:52:25 <rwhitby> got a URL of the mail message, I must have missed it
Jan 11 14:53:46 <rwhitby> (or just the message number on the mailing list will do)
Jan 11 14:53:56 <rwhitby> bbiab
Jan 11 14:55:50 <akauppi> rwhitby: back here.   the java applet refused to like me.
Jan 11 14:56:06 <caplink811> akauppi,  that is what you missed
Jan 11 14:56:07 <caplink811> rwhitby> got a URL of the mail message, I must have missed it
Jan 11 14:56:08 <caplink811> <rwhitby> (or just the message number on the mailing list will do)
Jan 11 14:56:08 <caplink811> <rwhitby> bbiab
Jan 11 14:56:09 <akauppi> so this is Colloquy client on OS X; seems a lot better now
Jan 11 14:56:50 <akauppi> well, can we check the situation, and start anew.   I won't bother you for long.
Jan 11 14:57:52 <akauppi> so.. the .mk file is lumikki.mk.  I will be building an hw/sw framework around it, and NSLU2, and thought it'd be nice to have it as a package.
Jan 11 14:58:29 <akauppi> but this mailing list / irc protocol thing.... it seems rather elaborate, do you ever get complaints about it?
Jan 11 15:00:25 <akauppi> the mail has been sent 4. tammikuuta 2006 16.05.37 GMT+02:00   (Jan 4th)
Jan 11 15:00:43 <akauppi> Aihe: request for cvs write access
Jan 11 15:00:43 <akauppi> Following the procedure of the ipkg maintenance, I'd request for cvs write access:
Jan 11 15:00:46 <akauppi>   cvs: akauppi
Jan 11 15:00:49 <akauppi>   full name: Asko Kauppi
Jan 11 15:00:51 <akauppi>   package: lumikki (attached)
Jan 11 15:00:54 <akauppi> -asko
Jan 11 15:01:05 <akauppi> to nslu2-linux@yahoogroups.com
Jan 11 15:03:57 <caplink811> that it is.. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/10596
Jan 11 15:04:29 <akauppi> yeah, thanks :)
Jan 11 15:05:13 <rwhitby> akauppi: you now have cvs write access
Jan 11 15:11:38 <akauppi> :) pleased, nodding.
Jan 11 16:30:40 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: optware: promote lumikki
Jan 11 18:30:22 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/Makefile: optware: demote lumikki
Jan 11 19:46:24 <CIA-8> 03jp30 * 10unslung/scripts/optware-check-package.pl: optware: check packages script now checks for files installed outside /opt
Jan 11 21:25:25 <EvilDevil> hi
Jan 11 21:26:06 <EvilDevil> is it possible to compile natively on openslug 2.7beta? 
Jan 11 21:26:30 <dot> yes
Jan 11 21:26:38 <EvilDevil> Following the instructions at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile
Jan 11 21:26:51 <dot> that is for cross development
Jan 11 21:27:24 <EvilDevil> ipkg install openslug-native
Jan 11 21:27:24 <EvilDevil> Package openslug-native (1.0-r11) installed in root is up to date.
Jan 11 21:27:55 <EvilDevil> downloading the master makefile and the intel stuff, creating the md5 files 
Jan 11 21:28:02 <ka6sox-laptop> the makefile assumes that things are in certian places.
Jan 11 21:28:03 <EvilDevil> and running make setup
Jan 11 21:28:54 <EvilDevil> ends up with a monotone misuse  database schemes do not match
Jan 11 21:30:19 <EvilDevil> do i need monotone 0.24 on the openslug too?
Jan 11 21:30:33 <ka6sox-laptop> yes
Jan 11 21:31:13 <ka6sox-laptop> have you de-underclocked your slug?
Jan 11 21:31:15 <EvilDevil> is the a ipk? or do i have to build it myself? ipkg lists only v.022
Jan 11 21:31:25 <EvilDevil> yep, have it running at normal speed (2669
Jan 11 21:31:29 <EvilDevil> 9=)
Jan 11 21:32:25 <ka6sox-laptop> you might need to download and build it.
Jan 11 21:32:45 <ka6sox-laptop> I'm not familiar with what is in the feeds (I just keep the servers running)
Jan 11 21:33:20 <EvilDevil> okay... while my nslu2 is building monotone, i'll update the http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OpenSlugNativeCompileEnvironment Wiki page ;)
Jan 11 21:33:29 <ka6sox-laptop> cool
Jan 11 21:33:53 <EvilDevil> thanks for your help anyway! :-)
Jan 11 21:35:11 <EvilDevil> should i go for 0.25 or 0.24? doesn't seem to matter, right?
Jan 11 21:47:08 <geojeff> ka6sox-laptop, did you ever get libao stuff working? (i was about to try audio recording some months ago, and would like to get back to it)
Jan 11 21:47:25 <EvilDevil> [Added link to OpenSlugNativeCompileEnvironment on the MasterMakefile page]
Jan 11 21:47:55 <ka6sox-laptop> geojeff: I got sidetracked with moving and never got back on it.
Jan 11 21:49:06 <geojeff> ok, i'll need to relearn about things in general, but will look into it soon
Jan 11 21:51:59 <EvilDevil> is there a page showing the layout of the openslug distro? where to place the binaries, the man-pages, documentation?
Jan 11 23:02:17 <aaeegg> hi
Jan 11 23:03:31 <EvilDevil> hi aaeegg
Jan 11 23:04:54 <aaeegg> good evening/morning/afternoon, mr. devil
Jan 11 23:05:33 <EvilDevil> good morning ;) aaeegg
Jan 11 23:05:42 <aaeegg> i think the following bug applies to the xinetd package in unslung: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHBA-2005-546.html
Jan 11 23:06:28 <aaeegg> after tftpd served a file, i noticed that xinetd was eating all the cpu, and inbound telnets would just hang there
Jan 11 23:07:09 <aaeegg> i'm just going to run tftpd in standalone mode, but figured i'd bring it to people's attention
Jan 11 23:11:07 <aaeegg> hm... maybe i should email the maintainer, but it's easier to just mention it here ;)
Jan 11 23:14:02 <EvilDevil> i don't know :)
Jan 12 02:15:31 <EvilDevil> can i use reflash (on openslug 2.7beta) to flash my slug to debianslug?
Jan 12 02:47:50 <rwhitby> EvilDevil: depends when you built debianslug.
Jan 12 02:48:17 <rwhitby> Since you're changing endianness, it's easiest just to use upslug2 in upgrade mode.
Jan 12 02:48:47 <rwhitby> A very recent debianslug will have the jffs2 in LE too, so reflash won't work from openslug to debianslug right now (due to the difference in jffs2 endianness)
Jan 12 02:51:42 <EvilDevil> rwhitby i'm building it atm
Jan 12 02:52:51 <EvilDevil> rwhitby ok, i'll use upslug2. thanks for the help :-)
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