**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 20 02:59:58 2006 Jan 20 04:02:48 03azummo * 10kernel/2.6.15/ (4 files): Updated RTC subsystem. Jan 20 06:18:59 03repvik * r237 10/releases/OpenSlug-2.7-beta/openembedded/packages/nfs-utils/ (files/nfsserver nfs-utils_1.0.6.bb): Add missing test in initscript, closing Slugbug #345 Jan 20 10:12:43 ~weather enva Jan 20 10:12:47 Trondheim / Vaernes, Norway; (ENVA) 63-28N 010-56E 17M; last updated: 2006.01.20 1620 UTC; Dew Point: 5 F (-15 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.74 in. Hg (1007 hPa); Relative Humidity: 48%; Temperature: 21 F (-6 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the ESE (120 degrees) at 17 MPH (15 KT) (direction variable); Windchill: 6 F (-14 C) Jan 20 11:50:26 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/git-core.mk: upstream upgrade to 1.1.4 Jan 20 11:52:22 03bzhou * 10unslung/make/cogito.mk: upstream upgrade from 0.16.2 to 0.16.4 Jan 20 13:32:09 03azummo * 10kernel/2.6.15/ (40-rtc-class.patch defconfig): Updated RTC subsystem (PCF8563 driver) Jan 20 13:46:40 03azummo * 10kernel/2.6.15/defconfig: removed config option for the old pcf8563 driver Jan 20 13:48:47 03rwhitby * 10kernel/2.6.15/ (3 files): Fixed erroneous return values Jan 20 13:49:54 03rwhitby * 10kernel/2.6.15/series: Updated series file to apply new RTC patches Jan 20 13:51:19 03rwhitby * 10kernel/2.6.15/defconfig: Removed superfluous RTC defines (those patches are no longer applied). Jan 20 15:29:15 Hi all. I've got a bit of a problem with openslug. Jan 20 15:29:41 hi hyperk Jan 20 15:30:18 I got my system mostly running, but the compiler was either missing components or a package or something Jan 20 15:31:06 hyperk what do you want to compile? and which version of openslug? Jan 20 15:31:37 so I noticed that the archive had packages for 2.8, so I updated the ipkg config files to point to the 2.8 packages and did a ipkg update. It ran fine, and I rebooted. Jan 20 15:32:09 Needless to say I could no longer get in. I've built a USB serial cable and the system is still available through the serial port Jan 20 15:32:31 It appears that the 2.8 packages don't have a working ethernet driver Jan 20 15:32:58 So I'm trying to figure out the best way to downgrade back to 2.7 packages Jan 20 15:33:30 hyperk: your kernel and modules probably have different version numbers. Jan 20 15:33:50 (especially the network modules) Jan 20 15:34:30 Yeah. I gathered that. Jan 20 15:34:56 I was hopeing to find either a beta 2.8 flash image (none found) Jan 20 15:35:28 Or downgrade back to 2.7. Whats the fastest route? Jan 20 15:35:43 I don't really have anything on here to lose. It's a fresh system Jan 20 15:39:06 Is there a way to just downgrade the kernel so the old ethernet driver works? Jan 20 15:39:31 Or a working ethernet driver from CVS? Jan 20 15:42:56 i'm having a problem when apt-getting packages. they install correctly, but i get warnings: Jan 20 15:42:57 chage: the shadow password file is not present Jan 20 15:42:58 chage failed with return code 15, shadow not enabled, password aging cannot be set. Continuing. Jan 20 15:44:13 etc/shadows doesn't exist. what package do i need to install to get it? Jan 20 15:45:09 You sure it's supposed to be there? I don't have it on mine either. Jan 20 15:45:54 hyperk i'm using debianslug Jan 20 15:47:50 My bad. Jan 20 15:48:14 no, i didn't mentioned it... so it's mine Jan 20 15:48:36 in #debonaras it would be assumed :-) Jan 20 15:49:34 rwhitby isn't #debonaras reserved for BE debian? Jan 20 15:54:24 no Jan 20 15:54:37 debonaras is about running debian on NAS and routers and stuff. Jan 20 15:54:59 it could even be a mips-based router if someone built an image for one Jan 20 15:55:52 for example, stealthman is discussing running debian on an LE Iomega NAS100d right now in #debonaras :-) Jan 20 15:56:51 :) Jan 20 15:57:21 EvilDevil: but it is a common misconception that debonaras is all about armeb Jan 20 15:58:18 i c i'll add it to my autojoin list :-) Jan 20 15:59:00 it just happens that debonaras assisted the armeb port, and I think that made a lot of people equate the two. Jan 20 15:59:23 but the armeb port is moving to armeb.debian.net instead of ftp.debonaras.org Jan 20 16:01:48 . Jan 20 16:02:34 Which is more mature, debian slug or openslug? Jan 20 16:03:49 hyperk: as always: it depends ;-P Jan 20 16:04:28 I'm not terribly interested in the slug for typical server tasks. Jan 20 16:04:47 I'm more interested in using it for embedded projects. Jan 20 16:05:43 Mesh networking, wireless cameras, etc... Jan 20 16:06:01 <[g2]> hyperk you may want a Loft Jan 20 16:06:14 <[g2]> all depending on your price sensitivity Jan 20 16:06:55 Yes. Cheap is always good. But what is it? Haven't heard of the loft. Jan 20 16:07:39 <[g2]> it's a 533 MHz ixp425, with 3 minipci, 64MB ram, 2 serial, JTAG 2 USB 2.0 POE $349 US for case PS and board Jan 20 16:07:51 <[g2]> runs 2.6.15 Debian BE or LE out of the box Jan 20 16:08:00 <[g2]> Redboot that can boot to CF Jan 20 16:08:18 <[g2]> I'm working on the IWP2200 and Atheros drivers now Jan 20 16:09:18 <[g2]> So basically you just untar a debian LE rootfs and your running the official Debian out of the box in 30 seconds Jan 20 16:09:42 Sounds great, but it's a little overkill for this project. Jan 20 16:09:49 <[g2]> yeah Jan 20 16:10:00 <[g2]> it depends on what you want to play with Jan 20 16:10:12 Those mini pci cards add $$$ too. Jan 20 16:10:51 <[g2]> yes but you can do 200mW and 400mW cards which you'll have a hard time doing otherwise Jan 20 16:11:02 <[g2]> it really depends on what you want to play with Jan 20 16:11:08 <[g2]> and what your budget is Jan 20 16:12:15 <[g2]> My $80 slugs easily cost my $100K in labor :) Jan 20 16:12:23 <[g2]> s/my/me/ Jan 20 16:12:24 [g2] meant: My $80 slugs easily cost me $100K in labor :) Jan 20 16:13:33 Part of it for my is trying to do as much with as little as possible. Jan 20 16:16:25 So despite running ipkg ugrade against the 2.8-beta packages, my slug is still booting using the 2.6.12.2 kernel, so why am I getting unresolved symbols? Jan 20 16:18:18 hyperk: the 2.8-beta packages (including the kernel modules) are built against a 2.6.15.1 kernel Jan 20 16:19:18 I still have the 2.6.12.2 driver on the filesystem. Just need to point it to that one, no? Jan 20 16:19:52 yep, that should do it, as long as there wasn't other major changes between 2.7 and 2.8 (which is actually 3.x now) Jan 20 16:20:30 I would suggest you build the latest openslug from monotone head if you intend on using the unstable package repository. that's the only supported combination. Jan 20 16:21:48 That's gonna take some learning. Is this cross compiled? Can I build it on an intel box, then install onto the slug? Jan 20 16:22:48 yes Jan 20 16:22:54 wiki/Development/MasterMakefile Jan 20 16:23:18 the intel box needs to be running linux, however Jan 20 16:23:26 (or CoLinux, or VMWare) Jan 20 16:24:04 Awesome. Jan 20 16:24:49 rwhitby is upslug(2) working from a vmware/colinux install ? Jan 20 16:25:25 Any support for OS X as well? Have a slackware box, but it isn't very portable. Jan 20 16:27:07 EvilDevil: doesn't work for me, due to the NAT involved. Jan 20 16:27:24 hyperk: dunno about OS X. Jan 20 16:27:51 EvilDevil: I usually just scp the image to a tftp server, then get redboot to read from there. Jan 20 16:28:08 or you can use the SerComm upgrade tool under windows (I use that if it's full image flash) Jan 20 16:28:53 that's what i thougt.... isn't there an option for colinux to do ethernet bridging instead of nat? i haven't set up colinux that far... vmware works fine ;-P Jan 20 16:31:07 tftp sound nice... i wasn't able to get into redboot the last time i tried it... bad timing ;-) Jan 20 16:38:36 I'll add a note about that "chage /etc/shadow" problem i had on the Bootstrap page Jan 20 16:40:17 Woohoo!! I have ethernet again! Jan 20 16:42:39 * EvilDevil waves for hyperk Jan 20 16:45:24 yes there is a colinux option for bridging. not sure that it will bridge the special ethernet packets (they are not IP) Jan 20 16:45:42 EvilDevil: if you're building from monotone head, you should really have serial Jan 20 16:45:52 then you can get redboot very easily Jan 20 16:50:36 rwhitby i'm not very experienced with the soldering iron... and i only have a cheap 10 euro soldering iron with a broad (about 7mm broad) soldering tip Jan 20 16:51:05 you need a file then :-) Jan 20 16:51:38 or a angle grinder ;-) Jan 20 16:51:46 Yikes! Jan 20 16:54:02 hyperk using the angle grinder to make the tip a little smaller... not to make the nslu2's solder joint bigger :-P Jan 20 18:13:20 Ok. I installed openslug from scratch. Jan 20 18:13:37 Is there a list of must have packages to get the compiler to work properly? Jan 20 18:20:04 yep Jan 20 18:20:14 http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/HowTo/OpenSlugNativeCompileEnvironment Jan 20 18:20:30 "The command ipkg install openslug-native will install all tools for development, so you can also do your own coding." Jan 20 18:20:45 Man the wiki needs work. I never seem to find what I'm looking for. Jan 20 18:20:51 thanks for the link! Jan 20 18:21:13 no prob Jan 20 19:56:23 hyperk: the wiki sure does need some work. do you want to do your bit? ;-) Jan 20 19:58:18 rwhitby, i've spent all week trying to build some sort of mule/donkey client, but all their configure scripts fail with a zlib dependency, even though i do have zlib installed from the ipkgs... version mismatch perhaps? Jan 20 19:58:49 kfm82: dunno Jan 20 19:59:42 this is what i've got: zlib_1.2.2-2_armeb.ipk .... could it simply be outdated? Jan 20 20:00:43 on the upside, i've now managed to get mc to run, even with mouse support in xterm Jan 20 20:02:19 is there a default command line argument or switch in typical GNU configure scripts to override particular dependency checks? Jan 20 20:15:50 i have these two: kfm82slug:~/Software/aMule-2.0.3 root# file /opt/lib/libz.so.1.2.2 Jan 20 20:15:50 /opt/lib/libz.so.1.2.2: ELF 32-bit MSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (ARM), stripped Jan 20 20:15:50 kfm82slug:~/Software/aMule-2.0.3 root# file /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1.0.0 Jan 20 20:15:50 /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1.0.0: ELF 32-bit MSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (ARM), not stripped Jan 20 20:16:10 wonder which one gets discovered by configure scripts first? Jan 20 20:17:20 aMule-2.0.03/configure quits with: checking for zlib >= 1.1.4... no Jan 20 20:17:20 checking for zlib in peer directory... no Jan 20 20:17:20 configure: error: unable to use zlib - no peer found Jan 20 20:18:51 oh yeah, declare -x LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/lib:/usr/local/lib:/opt/local/lib:/usr/lib:/opt/lib:/usr/local/lib:/opt/local/lib:/usr/lib:/opt/lib:" Jan 20 20:18:51 declare -x LD_RUN_PATH="/lib:/usr/local/lib:/opt/local/lib:/usr/lib:/opt/lib:/usr/local/lib:/opt/local/lib:/usr/lib:/opt/lib:" Jan 20 20:19:24 kfm82: are you telling configure to look in /opt/lib ? usually there is a command line option to point configure to library and include directory locations Jan 20 20:20:06 exactly, i am looking for the configure commandline switch to pass it the library path Jan 20 20:22:29 ok, have you read the configure script then? Jan 20 20:22:40 does it make any difference whether libz* is stripped vs. non-stripped or whether it has +x ? Jan 20 20:23:19 i'd love to read it, it's only -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 591321 Jun 15 2005 configure* Jan 20 20:24:25 it's just a shell script Jan 20 20:24:36 open it in emacs and search for "library" would be a start Jan 20 20:25:15 what did ./configure --help say ? Jan 20 20:25:20 ah, now we're talking: kfm82slug:~/Software/aMule-2.0.3 root# cat configure-hacked | grep "libz" Jan 20 20:25:20 if test -r ../zlib/libz.a; then Jan 20 20:25:20 { { echo "$as_me:$LINENO: error: unable to use peer zlib - zlib/libz.a not found" >&5 Jan 20 20:25:20 echo "$as_me: error: unable to use peer zlib - zlib/libz.a not found" >&2;} Jan 20 20:25:20 ZLIB_LIBS='$(top_srcdir)/../zlib/libz.a' Jan 20 20:26:49 ok, it's pretty obvious now: --with-zlib=PREFIX use zlib in PREFIX Jan 20 20:30:48 hm, if i do # ./configure --with-zlib=/opt/lib it stills bombs with checking for zlib >= 1.1.4... no Jan 20 20:30:48 configure: error: zlib >= 1.1.4 not found Jan 20 20:31:54 try just =/opt Jan 20 20:32:00 ok, will do Jan 20 20:33:51 woohoo, it passed the test, wxbase is found as well... looking quite promising so far Jan 20 20:43:49 configure now runs through without terminating, though most compile time options are totally off... guess i'll just have to go back and examine every single switch, but thanks so far Jan 20 22:46:52 hi; I intend to replace redboot with apex in flash; question is: can i erase/reflash _just_ mtdblock0, e.g leaving kernel/initrd/config_areas as they are or I have to reflash the entire 8MB? Jan 20 22:49:17 just mtdblock0 Jan 20 22:49:24 the thing is... Jan 20 22:49:57 you boot the slug so it's in redboot, load apex through serial (or network, whatever), run it and make sure it works, then write it to flash Jan 20 22:50:08 IIRC, there's a "howto" on the apex site Jan 20 22:50:23 http://wiki.buici.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ApexBootloader Jan 20 22:53:00 NAiL: thanks; /me going into read mode :) Jan 20 22:55:03 It's not recommended unless you have some way of recovering if it fails Jan 20 22:55:07 (ie, JTAG) Jan 20 22:55:23 If it fails, you have an expensive doorstop Jan 20 22:57:01 NAiL: yes; I intend to have jtag, serial and ram upgrade (nslu2-linux, #10838) before i even think of it; hdw will (may)be ready next week :) Jan 20 22:57:22 cool Jan 20 22:57:53 I was planning on doing a fatslug or two, but my equipment is kinda... inadequate :-P Jan 20 23:01:37 NAiL: tha't why i was trying to simplify the task; a friend of mine (with non-perfect equipment, too) said it's risky, but not impossible; so I hope ... :) Jan 21 01:09:59 velinp: I've got a slug with faulty memory (by the looks of it).. Replacing the mem would be nice. Jan 21 01:14:20 NAiL: my first slug (~ 10 months) ago did have bad mem; I used memtester (http://freshmeat.net/projects/memtester/) to check; dealer replaced it under warranty Jan 21 01:15:49 hi Jan 21 01:15:54 velinp: cool Jan 21 01:16:02 I hadn't seen that one Jan 21 01:16:03 did you guys know how to get dram chips? Jan 21 01:16:25 not any other ways than ripping them off dimms Jan 21 01:16:53 hmm Jan 21 01:17:16 well i've already searched several computer shops and they often not even have sdram at all Jan 21 01:17:20 only ddr Jan 21 01:17:49 and those that have sdram don't have compatible chips Jan 21 01:20:42 NAiL: I can't find what I wrote on nslu2-linux (about #8000, somewhere apr-may.2005); care about it? micron and integrated solutions manufacture "our" SDRAMs, but no distributor/dealer in .bg Jan 21 01:22:26 I've got a bunch (well... 3) dimms with chips that I can use Jan 21 01:24:21 velinp: yes, same here, no distributor Jan 21 01:24:40 NAiL: well i don't had such luck Jan 21 01:25:26 i've got 1 128MB, 4-chip (256mbit) PC133 module; would be better-off with 512mbit ones Jan 21 01:25:46 yes Jan 21 01:29:57 well, I can settle for a 128mb slug Jan 21 01:30:07 but IIRC, noone has got one that large Jan 21 01:33:40 NAiL: if you can solder 128MB, have serial and jtag, apex-1.3.13+ seems to be ready for flashing (after very simple changes); i've NOT verified that. Jan 21 01:38:34 I'd be very happy if that was the case. I have enough to make one 128MB slug, and (IIRC) two 64MB slugs Jan 21 01:40:52 NAiL: http://wiki.buici.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/ApexBootloader#IXP42x_and_the_Linksys_NSLU2_aka Jan 21 01:41:43 velinp: where can i get a jtag cable? Jan 21 01:41:50 velinp: and how much does such a cable cost? Jan 21 01:42:29 NAiL: I have not personally tested that; might ask beewoolie* on #openslug, #openjtag; I bought one (<20EUR), details in several minutes Jan 21 01:42:44 k Jan 21 01:44:07 NAiL: I bought an Altera ByteBlasterMV (equivalent??); it's a 3.3V 245 with some resistors; you could build it yourself; Jan 21 01:45:32 NAiL: http://wiki.buici.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleJTAG Jan 21 01:47:45 I think I'll buy one ;-) Jan 21 01:47:52 i believe i've found a distributor for micron dram chips, even those 512Mbit chips are in those online catalog Jan 21 01:48:57 http://www.rutronik.com Jan 21 01:50:48 iirc this is one of the distributors where i work Jan 21 01:51:14 eventually i can get those dram from there, are you two also interested in those? Jan 21 01:51:23 hmm Jan 21 01:51:30 Loose chips? Jan 21 01:51:56 what you mean with loose chips? Jan 21 01:52:11 ie, not on dimmsticks Jan 21 01:52:33 yes not on dimm sticks Jan 21 01:52:35 only the chips Jan 21 01:53:48 i have no customer login at rutronik myself, and the search engine on their webpage doesn't tell if they can deliver them, but next week i can ask where i work if they can check that for me Jan 21 01:54:10 should be pin-compatible with http://www.icsi.com.tw/english/products/products-frame.asp?Title=Datasheet-DRAM&URL=http%3A//web.icsi.com.tw/English/Datasheets/DYNAMICRAM.html, SDRAM, bottom of page Jan 21 01:54:26 i just hope that rutronik accepts small orders Jan 21 01:54:52 velinp: error 404 Jan 21 01:55:11 velinp: what about these? => micron MT48LC32M16A2P-75 Jan 21 01:55:26 velinp: http://www.micron.com/products/dram/sdram/partlist.aspx?density=512Mb Jan 21 01:55:41 velinp: they are listed in the rutronik search Jan 21 01:56:26 yes; they are; it was my second try; could you snail-mail me 4 512mbit; will return a cheque :) Jan 21 01:57:41 velinp: hehe well first i need to check if i can order them Jan 21 01:58:03 velinp: rutronik seems to be one of those big distributors, and big distributors often expect 10k orders :) Jan 21 01:59:35 DrZimmerman: true; it's a problem; look at http://www.avnet.com/ Jan 21 01:59:36 iiiih what a nasty design :) => http://wiki.buici.com/twiki/pub/Main/SimpleJTAG/244.jpg Jan 21 02:00:14 velinp: avnet is a distributor? Jan 21 02:00:54 DrZimmerman: think you could order; maybe thru someone local Jan 21 02:01:13 velinp: what you mean thru someone local? Jan 21 02:01:28 velinp: well if i order, then thru the company where i work Jan 21 02:04:18 DrZimmerman: sorry, avnet: MOQ 1000, no stock Jan 21 02:06:20 velinp: I'm running into a strange problem Jan 21 02:06:36 somehow the shell thinks that memtester is a script Jan 21 02:07:20 NAiL: you compiled it? Jan 21 02:07:35 velinp: what you mean with moq 1000? Jan 21 02:08:08 DrZimmerman: minimum order quantity Jan 21 02:08:26 velinp: ah ok Jan 21 02:12:09 velinp: yeahg Jan 21 02:14:39 NAiL: shell still doesn't run it? $PATH? I am searching my 02-06.2005 message on nslu2-linux; i used a very simple memtester (just a tar with a make); Jan 21 02:18:47 10 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10688 Dec 31 00:09 memtester Jan 21 02:18:48 root@gunslinger:~# ./memtester Jan 21 02:18:48 ./memtester: 1: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") Jan 21 02:18:53 It's *obviously* a binary Jan 21 02:21:01 ah Jan 21 02:21:20 I've found a student society that has the tools necessary, so I can do it myself Jan 21 02:25:13 NAiL: good luck; I used http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/memtester/, but now can't dns-resolve it; Jan 21 02:26:35 NAiL: it was linked from http://www.linux.org/apps/AppId_2510.html, but things change ... Jan 21 02:31:45 velinp: http://www.google.no/search?hl=en&q=memtester&btnG=Google+Search Jan 21 02:31:54 I googled for "memtester" :) Jan 21 02:33:36 NAiL: I see debian/unstable has it; it means if you grab .orig.tar.gz and make you shoule be able to compile it; memtester4 is maybe too new ... Jan 21 02:35:23 hmm Jan 21 02:35:29 I have a slug running debian unstable Jan 21 02:35:33 maybe that binary will work Jan 21 02:35:52 NAiL: (le) arm? Jan 21 02:36:23 gah, yes, I just remembered that Jan 21 02:36:28 that won't work :-P Jan 21 02:37:55 NAiL: from my flaky memory: I cross-compiled it (openslug-2.7 now, ??? then); downloaded and ran Jan 21 02:38:56 heh Jan 21 02:39:02 I have apex on the slug that has the bad ram Jan 21 02:39:11 I forgot that, and tried getting it up in upgrade mode Jan 21 02:39:54 NAiL: some warranty left ? else fatten, man :) Jan 21 02:40:12 Warranty? Probably not, since it's serialized ;-) Jan 21 02:42:27 NAiL: also fat? solder bridge? Jan 21 02:44:09 no, not fat Jan 21 02:53:36 NAiL: would it not be better to just fatten and hope it's SDRAM that is bad, not the 4-layer board; diagnosing is hard with apex (only) and will not fix the problem anyway Jan 21 02:59:24 s/fatten/replace chips/ Jan 21 02:59:25 velinp meant: **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 21 02:59:56 2006