**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 30 02:59:57 2006
Jan 30 08:11:07 <eFfeM> snowbike, saw the msg that your imic isn't working any more
Jan 30 08:11:51 <eFfeM> join the crowd, there are at least 2 other people beside you and me who once got their audio card running and the 2nd or 3rd time it stops.
Jan 30 08:11:55 <eFfeM> no idea what causes this
Jan 30 08:25:46 <VoodooZ_Work> eFfeM, Guess what. I got mine working too!
Jan 30 08:26:23 <VoodooZ_Work> An el-cheapo usb dongle I got from ebay. It's recognised as a cmedia usb headphone but it appears to work.
Jan 30 08:26:42 <VoodooZ_Work> I got the flite text-2-speech prog to output stuff.
Jan 30 08:38:07 <kitno455> i think i found a typo in master Makefile
Jan 30 08:38:26 <kitno455> search for optwaree (with 2 e's)
Jan 30 08:41:59 <eFfeM> VoodooZ_Work, that is very good!
Jan 30 08:42:30 * eFfeM might need to buy such an el cheapo adapter as well
Jan 30 08:42:36 <VoodooZ_Work> It took a while though as I had to build all those extra packages and especially the mixing software.
Jan 30 08:42:38 <eFfeM> cmedia seems to be well supported
Jan 30 08:42:42 <VoodooZ_Work> yep.
Jan 30 08:43:06 <VoodooZ_Work> Let me know and I can tell you if it's the same as mine.
Jan 30 08:43:06 <eFfeM> i seem to recall most of the alsa stuff is on the feed (at least in openslug)
Jan 30 08:44:15 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah but I don't normally use the feeds as my robot image is very lean.
Jan 30 08:44:25 <eFfeM> ah ok
Jan 30 08:44:39 <VoodooZ_Work> So I had to use turnup to boot from my flashdisk to have enough disk space to store all this extra junk.
Jan 30 08:44:54 <VoodooZ_Work> doesn't leave much ram after loading all those sound modules.
Jan 30 08:53:19 <kitno455> VoodooZ_Work, how did you add a kernel module to the image?
Jan 30 08:53:59 <eFfeM> VoodooZ_Work, just browsed ebay: saw this for $9: http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-USB-VIRTUAL-5-1-SOUND-CARD-AUDIO-MICROPHONE-ADAPTER_W0QQitemZ6844532236QQcategoryZ3701QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Jan 30 08:54:06 <eFfeM> does it look like yours?
Jan 30 08:55:45 <VoodooZ_Work> similar but not exactly no. Try to read out the chip's company/model.
Jan 30 08:55:51 <VoodooZ_Work> This one is like mine: http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-KEY-SIZE-5-1-CHANNEL-AUDIO-SOUND-CARD-ADAPTOR-A07_W0QQitemZ6844504920QQcategoryZ74957QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Jan 30 08:57:23 <eFfeM> hm that looks a lot like this: http://cgi.ebay.com/PC-V5-1ch-USB-KEY-SIZE-AUDIO-SOUND-CARD-MIC-ADAPTOR_W0QQitemZ6844704571QQcategoryZ3701QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Jan 30 08:57:38 <eFfeM> they don't mention shipping to nl though. 9.50 is not that bad
Jan 30 08:58:05 <VoodooZ_Work> eFfeM, I simply added the list of packages to my local.conf file's RDPENDS/DEPENDS var. ex: 
Jan 30 08:58:11 <EvilDevil> shipping is more expensive than the whole thing ;)
Jan 30 08:58:21 <VoodooZ_Work> OPENSLUG_STANDARD_RDEPENDS = " \
Jan 30 08:58:21 <VoodooZ_Work> kernel-module-bnep \
Jan 30 08:58:21 <VoodooZ_Work> kernel-module-l2cap \
Jan 30 08:58:21 <VoodooZ_Work> kernel-module-bluetooth \
Jan 30 08:58:21 <VoodooZ_Work> kernel-module-videodev \
Jan 30 08:58:24 <VoodooZ_Work> kernel-module-snd-usb-audio \
Jan 30 08:58:26 <VoodooZ_Work> kernel-module-snd-mixer-oss \
Jan 30 08:58:28 <VoodooZ_Work> kernel-module-snd-pcm \
Jan 30 08:58:30 <VoodooZ_Work> kernel-module-snd \
Jan 30 08:58:32 <eFfeM> oh, the one you are referring to is 0.99 + 8.50 shipping to nl, roughly same price
Jan 30 08:58:32 <VoodooZ_Work> libusb \
Jan 30 08:58:34 <VoodooZ_Work> ibot \
Jan 30 08:58:36 <VoodooZ_Work> strace \
Jan 30 08:58:38 <VoodooZ_Work> bluez-utils-nodbus "
Jan 30 08:58:52 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah, I paid like 17$ Canadian for a 5$ dongle too. Dirty shipping! A big scam.
Jan 30 08:59:14 <eFfeM> don't have bnep, l2cap bluetooth, ibit, strace, bluez
Jan 30 08:59:25 <VoodooZ_Work> simplest thing is to do a search for "USB audio" and find the ones that look like mine.
Jan 30 08:59:33 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah, just an example though.
Jan 30 08:59:48 <VoodooZ_Work> My setup is quite unique as I have my own distro (ROBOSLUG)
Jan 30 08:59:54 <eFfeM> some ebayers try to make things look cheap by giving a low price and huge shipping costs.
Jan 30 09:00:00 <VoodooZ_Work> yep.
Jan 30 09:00:36 <eFfeM> a dongle for $ 0.01 must be below cost.
Jan 30 09:00:38 <VoodooZ_Work> It was cheaper for me to order from accross the ocean than from the states. Somebody is filling his pockets.
Jan 30 09:00:48 * eFfeM always thinks there is no such thing as a free lunch
Jan 30 09:00:58 <VoodooZ_Work> Yeah because most people search by price so it shows up first.
Jan 30 09:01:07 * VoodooZ_Work fully agrees!
Jan 30 09:01:23 <EvilDevil> or if you buy 2 items from the same seller, they double the shipping costs too
Jan 30 09:01:38 <VoodooZ_Work> You would have to add other packages such as aumix, etc.. though.
Jan 30 09:01:44 <VoodooZ_Work> bastards!
Jan 30 09:02:53 <eFfeM> EvilDevil, indeed
Jan 30 09:03:24 <EvilDevil> VoodooZ_Work does this RDEPENDS thing works also with kernel modules that aren't built by default?
Jan 30 09:04:32 <EvilDevil> eg at76c503 ?
Jan 30 09:04:48 <kitno455> EvilDevil, i think you have to change the defconfig to build the module
Jan 30 09:04:55 <eFfeM> VoodooZ_Work, actually I think you should use RRECOMMENDS iso RDEPENDS (at least that is what koen learned me at some point in time)
Jan 30 09:05:08 <eFfeM> as some people might have the driver built into the kernel
Jan 30 09:05:46 <kitno455> eFfeM, that is only true if you are building an image and not a kernel, right?
Jan 30 09:06:04 <EvilDevil> kitno455 i tried to change the defconfig but everytime i built a new image, it was overwritten
Jan 30 09:06:25 <kitno455> EvilDevil, did you do any kind of update after you changed the defconfig?
Jan 30 09:06:50 <EvilDevil> kitno455 no, did a straight make openslug-image
Jan 30 09:07:07 <VoodooZ_Work> EvilDevil, nope. this assumes the kernel's defconfig file already builds modules as modules. Most are.
Jan 30 09:07:11 <kitno455> EvilDevil, you have to do make openslug-kernel first
Jan 30 09:07:31 <eFfeM> kitno455, i would expect this to hold for a kernel as well
Jan 30 09:08:01 <eFfeM> VoodooZ_Work, your dongle is that also translucent green with 3d sound on it (like the one on the pic)
Jan 30 09:08:07 <VoodooZ_Work> EvilDevil, if it gets overwritten that's because you are not changing the write file. You need the one under openembedded/packages/linux/...
Jan 30 09:08:07 <EvilDevil> kitno455 doesn't it recognise the changes by itself?
Jan 30 09:08:10 <eFfeM> and does it also work after a few reboots ?
Jan 30 09:08:15 <VoodooZ_Work> eFfeM, yep.
Jan 30 09:08:37 <VoodooZ_Work> seems to but I haven't had much chance to play with it since last week.
Jan 30 09:09:01 <eFfeM> well reason for asking is that my current card worked one time
Jan 30 09:09:12 <VoodooZ_Work> yeah. i read about it.
Jan 30 09:09:29 <eFfeM> and yesterday snowbike reported he had imic running but after a few reboots it didn't any more....
Jan 30 09:09:42 <VoodooZ_Work> I'm using openslug-3.1 so it might be different if you are using different distro.
Jan 30 09:09:57 <eFfeM> i don't mind forking another 10 dollars for this if I get something working
Jan 30 09:10:12 <eFfeM> I'm on the development head (actually the one from two weeks ago)
Jan 30 09:10:20 <VoodooZ_Work> there's no reason why something stops working after a few reboots. Unless the hardware is damaged.
Jan 30 09:10:34 <snowbike> VoodooZ_Work:  you would think...
Jan 30 09:10:43 <snowbike> I checked the imic on another computer and it works fine.
Jan 30 09:10:55 <VoodooZ_Work> I'm not as I developed a severe allergy to monotone last time around! :)
Jan 30 09:11:06 <VoodooZ_Work> definitely odd.
Jan 30 09:11:15 <VoodooZ_Work> I'll try mine tonight to see if it still works.
Jan 30 09:11:17 <snowbike> eFfeM: did you try a complete reinstall?  I'm thinking I'll do a new install on a fresh memory stick and see if I get it to work once..
Jan 30 09:11:22 <VoodooZ_Work> Perhaps I'll document my work.
Jan 30 09:11:39 <VoodooZ_Work> Yeah, there has to be something that changed in your config.
Jan 30 09:11:42 <snowbike> then maybe see look for any changes in the file system everywhere between a reboot...
Jan 30 09:11:54 <snowbike> VoodooZ_Work: yep.  that's all that makes sense (and then just barely!)
Jan 30 09:11:57 <VoodooZ_Work> I noticed I had to load some OSS emulation module by hand.
Jan 30 09:12:22 <VoodooZ_Work> what is the list of modules you have loaded?
Jan 30 09:12:34 <snowbike> VoodooZ_Work: I had to fool around w/ the sound modules a bit the first time, then tried the same..
Jan 30 09:12:47 <snowbike> root@bat:~# lsmod
Jan 30 09:12:48 <snowbike> Module                  Size  Used by
Jan 30 09:12:48 <snowbike> audio                  35200  0 
Jan 30 09:12:48 <snowbike> snd_pcm_oss            36992  0 
Jan 30 09:12:48 <snowbike> snd_mixer_oss          10912  1 snd_pcm_oss
Jan 30 09:12:50 <snowbike> snd_usb_audio          40448  0 
Jan 30 09:12:53 <snowbike> snd_pcm                54984  2 snd_pcm_oss,snd_usb_audio
Jan 30 09:12:55 <snowbike> snd_timer              13764  1 snd_pcm
Jan 30 09:12:58 <snowbike> snd_page_alloc          3716  1 snd_pcm
Jan 30 09:13:01 <snowbike> snd_usb_lib             8800  1 snd_usb_audio
Jan 30 09:13:03 <snowbike> snd_rawmidi            13056  1 snd_usb_lib
Jan 30 09:13:05 <snowbike> snd                    26520  6 snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_usb_audio,snd_pcm,snd_timer,snd_rawmidi
Jan 30 09:13:09 <snowbike> soundcore               3748  2 audio,snd
Jan 30 09:13:11 <snowbike> ixp425_eth             15364  0 
Jan 30 09:13:14 <snowbike> ixp400                615208  1 ixp425_eth
Jan 30 09:13:16 <snowbike> ext2                   47464  1 
Jan 30 09:13:19 <snowbike> mbcache                 5060  1 ext2
Jan 30 09:13:35 <VoodooZ_Work> Let me connect to my robot at home so I can compare...
Jan 30 09:15:11 <VoodooZ_Work> robot booting...
Jan 30 09:15:27 <kolla> ...these are not the droids you're looking for...
Jan 30 09:15:28 <eFfeM> snowbike, didn't try a reinstall, but tried on a different system and there it works!
Jan 30 09:15:36 <snowbike> the audio module was one that gave me a problem last time--I had to unload it then things worked..
Jan 30 09:15:54 <snowbike> eFfeM: different slug or some other computer?  (I tried it on an osx machine and the imic worked ifne)
Jan 30 09:15:56 <VoodooZ_Work> I didn't take notes as usual so I might not be able to try it now (I can't verify if sound actually comes from work)
Jan 30 09:17:06 <eFfeM> snowbike, other compu (pc with FC4)
Jan 30 09:17:40 <snowbike> hmm..  I may try a fresh memory stick install from scratch and see what happens.  Probably not until tonight.
Jan 30 09:17:42 <eFfeM> slug has ohci whereas most pc's have the via protocol (ehci if I an not mistaken)
Jan 30 09:19:22 <eFfeM> lost my large memory stick on a business trip last week ...
Jan 30 09:19:35 <EvilDevil> wow :-)
Jan 30 09:19:39 <EvilDevil> evildevil@slug:~$ uptime
Jan 30 09:19:39 <EvilDevil>  17:18:41 up 7 days,  1:16,  1 user,  load average: 1.01, 1.06, 1.02
Jan 30 09:19:48 <snowbike> eFfeM: ug.  that sucks..
Jan 30 09:19:49 <eFfeM> gave a presentation, forgot to take it back, discovered this a few days later, no stik
Jan 30 09:20:05 <VoodooZ_Work> the only diff I can see is that I have the snd_hwdep module loaded. (it's a dependency of snd_usb_audio)
Jan 30 09:20:09 <eFfeM> yeah, oh well, good reason to get a bigger one :-)
Jan 30 09:20:14 <eFfeM> will try to let the boss pay for it
Jan 30 09:21:02 <eFfeM> by the way: anyone ever tried to connect an atmel butterfly to the slug?
Jan 30 09:21:13 <eFfeM> uh-oh: dinnertime; back later
Jan 30 09:21:14 <EvilDevil> butterfly?
Jan 30 09:21:28 <VoodooZ_Work> eFfeM, I'm using a few AVRs on my robot all connected via I2C.
Jan 30 09:21:48 <eFfeM-away> EvilDevil, http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?tool_id=3146
Jan 30 09:22:04 <eFfeM-away> VoodooZ_Work, interesting, i'd like to come back on that later ...
Jan 30 09:22:22 <EvilDevil> i c :)
Jan 30 09:22:30 <VoodooZ_Work> eFfeM-away, anytime buddy.
Jan 30 09:22:52 <VoodooZ_Work> http://robotics.no-ip.org for a quick summary of my latest robot SRX2.
Jan 30 09:25:44 <snowbike> cool robots!
Jan 30 09:25:56 <VoodooZ_Work> Thanks.
Jan 30 09:29:31 * mwester-away is peeking at VoodooZ' robots, too...
Jan 30 09:32:46 <VoodooZ_Work> hehe
Jan 30 09:33:05 <EvilDevil> the atmel ppl do have a very elaborated way to use .pdf: http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/wireless_kits.pdf
Jan 30 09:33:16 <EvilDevil> or a special kind of humour
Jan 30 09:33:51 <VoodooZ_Work> I'm working on the SRX2 one right now using the slug for an AI competition in the states.
Jan 30 09:40:48 <EvilDevil> are you getting these kind of errors too if you do a make update (MasterMakefile)?
Jan 30 09:40:49 <EvilDevil> cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any)
Jan 30 09:41:23 <VoodooZ_Work> who me?
Jan 30 09:41:29 <EvilDevil> anyone :-)
Jan 30 09:41:51 <VoodooZ_Work> I don't update as I'm too afraid to break thing more. 
Jan 30 09:42:11 <VoodooZ_Work> I prefer to work with a source code release tarball.
Jan 30 09:43:04 <EvilDevil> i need to update, because i'm using debianslug...
Jan 30 09:43:30 <EvilDevil> strange thing is that after some hours it's working again
Jan 30 09:47:43 <NAiL> EvilDevil: It's just sf.net cvs that is broken. It falls down quite often.
Jan 30 09:48:13 <EvilDevil> NAiL ah.. ok :) thanks 
Jan 30 09:48:37 <NAiL> np
Jan 30 10:00:44 <kolla> NAiL: my slug has made it into a terena report.. woo
Jan 30 10:01:37 <kolla> was participating in a radsec test setup, running radiator (commercial radius server) on the slug :)
Jan 30 10:02:43 <eFfeM> VoodooZ_Work, like your bots; nice work!
Jan 30 11:01:25 <VoodooZ_Work> eFfeM, what do you want to do with AVRs?
Jan 30 11:02:59 <eFfeM> nothing special, someone @work pointed me to them
Jan 30 11:03:34 <eFfeM> actually i'm looking for a display, but the butterfly dev kit seems a little bit limited
Jan 30 11:04:00 <eFfeM> and the lcdproc thing (forgot the exact name) is quite expensive
Jan 30 11:04:28 <eFfeM> might be able to get a sample of a bi-directional remote with a small lcd display
Jan 30 11:04:33 <eFfeM> that would be fun
Jan 30 11:06:21 <eFfeM> for me the slug is a toy and a learning vehicle, I try to use it in as many diverse ways as I see fit
Jan 30 11:08:34 <NAiL> I'm planning to control a lcd-display (or 6) with an AVR ;)
Jan 30 11:08:50 <NAiL> I've got a bunch of LCD displays that are just lying in my drawer
Jan 30 11:08:59 <eFfeM> saw a project on this on the web
Jan 30 11:09:37 <eFfeM> i have one lying around, but my hw skills are very rusty (and actually they were never really good although I am an EE)
Jan 30 11:10:19 <VoodooZ_Work> Yeah, those LCDs are dirt cheap and can be controlled via as little as 4 pins in text mode.
Jan 30 11:10:58 <VoodooZ_Work> I have a nicer one with 128x64 graphics and touch screen but never used it for any project as it's not always useful on a moving robot.
Jan 30 11:11:07 <NAiL> I've got a bunch of 4x20 HD47880 (or something like that)
Jan 30 11:11:08 <VoodooZ_Work> But it would be nice on the slug.
Jan 30 11:11:19 <VoodooZ_Work> yep. those are the most common ones.
Jan 30 11:11:26 <VoodooZ_Work> Very standard
Jan 30 11:11:29 <NAiL> Yeah
Jan 30 11:11:44 <NAiL> I've got a couple of AVRs too, but no kit to program them
Jan 30 11:11:54 <eFfeM> i checked out cwlinux but i feel they are pretty expensive
Jan 30 11:11:57 <VoodooZ_Work> I should have an schematic for the 4bit interface on my page at http://robotics.no-ip.org
Jan 30 11:12:00 <NAiL> But a friend of mine works at Atmel, so I hope he's getting me one cheap
Jan 30 11:12:11 <eFfeM> hey, good!
Jan 30 11:12:43 <VoodooZ_Work> AVRs rule! I've been using them for my robots for a few years now. I use to use PICs but AVRs are much more efficient and powerful overall.
Jan 30 11:13:14 <VoodooZ_Work> And the fact that GCC works with them is a big big big advantage.
Jan 30 11:13:27 <NAiL> yeah
Jan 30 11:13:43 <NAiL> I'd like a couple of the latest AVRs though, the ones with USB2 ;-)
Jan 30 11:14:04 <VoodooZ_Work> nice.
Jan 30 11:14:17 <NAiL> They're more like CPUs though
Jan 30 11:14:20 <VoodooZ_Work> Even USB1 could have been useful for my current robot.
Jan 30 11:14:26 <NAiL> They have multimedia capabilities
Jan 30 11:14:37 <NAiL> so they're probably a bit heavy on the power
Jan 30 11:14:42 <VoodooZ_Work> I had to use a mega8 and use a software USB stack which works fine but a bit slow.
Jan 30 11:15:12 <VoodooZ_Work> I mainly use the mega8 as it's small and perfect for sensor/actuator interfacing/pre-processing.
Jan 30 11:15:20 <eFfeM> here's something on butterfly and lcd (1520): http://www.siwawi.arubi.uni-kl.de/avr_projects/glcd2/index.html
Jan 30 11:15:42 <VoodooZ_Work> check out www.avrfreaks.net for THE best AVR resource.
Jan 30 11:23:11 <eFfeM> NAiL, VoodooZ_Work do you know a good place to get some starting gear?
Jan 30 11:23:30 <eFfeM> saw this: http://www.smileymicros.com/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=14&MMN_position=23:23
Jan 30 11:24:09 <eFfeM> they have the butterfly for $ 20 + $ 6 shipping, pretty good I think, but the projects kit seems  a little bit lame
Jan 30 11:24:23 <eFfeM> here in NL I only found a place where they charge eur 30 !
Jan 30 11:33:37 <VoodooZ_Work> Not sure but there's lots of vendors on the avrfreaks.net page.
Jan 30 11:33:47 <NAiL> ah
Jan 30 11:33:55 <NAiL> my friend is getting me a kit from Atmel ;)
Jan 30 11:34:38 <VoodooZ_Work> nice.
Jan 30 11:35:00 <VoodooZ_Work> Now if only I could get me a contact at atmel I could get one of those USB enabled AVRs!
Jan 30 11:35:51 <NAiL> The new usb2 ones? ;)
Jan 30 11:36:01 <NAiL> You don't want any of them actually
Jan 30 11:36:18 <NAiL> They're BGA chips, with an extremely expensive socket
Jan 30 11:36:26 <NAiL> (ie, custom socket for that chip)
Jan 30 11:37:11 <VoodooZ_Work> no, I only need a full-speed USB1 one for my robot.
Jan 30 11:37:30 <VoodooZ_Work> to permit the slug to access my motor controller/sensors via USB.
Jan 30 11:39:21 <VoodooZ_Work> the avrfreaks.net page has a combo t-shirt/butterfly for 20$.
Jan 30 11:40:43 <NAiL> ah
Jan 30 11:43:22 <NAiL> I wonder how many displays I can attach to one AVR ;-)
Jan 30 11:43:34 <VoodooZ_Work> hehe
Jan 30 11:43:41 <VoodooZ_Work> the sky is the limit! 
Jan 30 11:43:51 <NAiL> No idea what I should actually use them for, but hey! It's fun ;-)
Jan 30 11:45:13 <NAiL> heh
Jan 30 11:45:29 <NAiL> Just figured out I can use my SonyEricsson to remote-control xmms over bluetooth ;)
Jan 30 11:45:54 <NAiL> now *that* is useful ;)
Jan 30 11:46:05 <VoodooZ_Work> hehe
Jan 30 11:52:13 <eFfeM> VoodooZ_Work, overlooked the t shirt offer, no idea if they will ship to eu
Jan 30 11:52:36 <VoodooZ_Work> no idea where they are located either.
Jan 30 11:53:02 <VoodooZ_Work> Look in the vendors/tools section as there's lots of other sources I'm sure.
Jan 30 11:55:22 <eFfeM> i think the T action was from avrfreaks themselves
Jan 30 11:55:33 <VoodooZ_Work> probably.
Jan 30 11:55:35 <eFfeM> found other vendors, also the forum pointed out some eu sources
Jan 30 11:55:40 <VoodooZ_Work> good
Jan 30 15:38:32 <CIA-13> 03marceln * 10unslung/make/wget-ssl.mk: Newer upstream version with a security fix.
Jan 30 16:13:20 <AdamBaker> rwhitby: I've recently bought a wag354g router which I'm currently trying to get a usable remote login capability on. At one point I did have telnet working (at the expense of DSL support) and when I did I managed to run a couple of executables from the optware wl500g feed on it. Assuming I get a working firmware build for it would you like a writeup on the wiki of how to use wl500g binaries on it?
Jan 30 16:14:21 <rwhitby> sure
Jan 30 16:14:37 <rwhitby> Put it under the Optware/* section of the wiki
Jan 30 16:15:26 <AdamBaker> OK, I suspect it will be a while before it is ready but I thought I'd check you were in favour first
Jan 30 16:23:46 <EvilDevil> hi... quick question... can i use dd if=zImage-nslu2le of=/dev/mtdblock 2 to upgrade kernel on debianslug?
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