**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jun 11 02:59:57 2006
Jun 11 09:11:57 <pepijn> NAiL: ping?
Jun 11 09:12:11 <pepijn> rwhitby: ping?
Jun 11 09:12:15 <l0c4lh0st> pong.
Jun 11 09:14:13 <pepijn> i'd like to check out the slugos 3.10beta and it looks like it is currently living at svn.nslu2-linux.org
Jun 11 09:14:24 <pepijn> but what is the correct URL?
Jun 11 09:14:46 <l0c4lh0st> Holland pwns.
Jun 11 09:16:13 <pepijn> 127.0.0.1: let's hope so ;)
Jun 11 09:16:36 <l0c4lh0st> heh
Jun 11 09:16:54 <l0c4lh0st> "pepijn" is a Dutch / Belgium name, so eh :P
Jun 11 09:24:03 * pepijn is dutch
Jun 11 09:26:41 <l0c4lh0st> Huh I just installed Debian/NSLU2 on my NSLU2, but it won't let me login? :(
Jun 11 09:27:01 <pepijn> how did you install it?
Jun 11 09:27:05 <pepijn> can you ping?
Jun 11 09:27:32 <l0c4lh0st> I can get into via SSH
Jun 11 09:27:37 <l0c4lh0st> But I can't login
Jun 11 09:27:40 <l0c4lh0st> it says access denied
Jun 11 09:30:08 <pepijn> so, which procedure did you use to install it?
Jun 11 09:32:49 <l0c4lh0st> I first flashed the di-nslu2.bin
Jun 11 09:32:51 <l0c4lh0st> to install Debian
Jun 11 09:32:58 <l0c4lh0st> went through the whole process
Jun 11 09:33:09 <l0c4lh0st> then flashed the debian-sda1.bin
Jun 11 09:33:15 <l0c4lh0st> booted, now I can't login
Jun 11 09:33:49 <pepijn> you did create a local user / configured root password when running debian installer?
Jun 11 09:36:04 <l0c4lh0st> Yes, I did
Jun 11 09:36:11 <l0c4lh0st> I can't login with that username either..
Jun 11 09:37:40 <pepijn> hmmm
Jun 11 09:38:12 <pepijn> did you remove the initial host key from .ssh/known_hosts ?
Jun 11 09:38:48 <l0c4lh0st> It didn't say I had to :o
Jun 11 09:39:09 <l0c4lh0st> I went through the installation, as described here: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/
Jun 11 09:39:32 <l0c4lh0st> However, I didn't get this screen at the end: http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/images/di-reboot.png
Jun 11 09:39:47 <l0c4lh0st> I got some sort of menu out of which I could choose what to do
Jun 11 09:40:09 <l0c4lh0st> I chose finish installation and I got in that menu again
Jun 11 09:40:22 <l0c4lh0st> So I plugged out the power and put it in upgrade mode
Jun 11 09:40:30 <l0c4lh0st> And flashed the other image
Jun 11 09:42:40 <pepijn> sounds ok
Jun 11 09:45:35 <pepijn> you do get the password prompt then?
Jun 11 09:49:48 <l0c4lh0st> 14(pepijn14): Yes, I do
Jun 11 09:50:02 <l0c4lh0st> I put in "root" and then my specified password
Jun 11 09:50:08 <l0c4lh0st> or my username + password
Jun 11 09:50:16 <pepijn> you can try the alternative approach as described on http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug
Jun 11 09:50:19 <l0c4lh0st> But it says "access denied" everytime, no matter what I try
Jun 11 09:50:37 <pepijn> i.e. get DebianSlug firmware and manually bootstrap
Jun 11 09:50:59 <l0c4lh0st> :|
Jun 11 09:51:01 <l0c4lh0st> Is that hard?
Jun 11 09:51:04 <pepijn> that is the procedure i originally used
Jun 11 09:51:11 <l0c4lh0st> I liked the Debian installer thing....
Jun 11 09:51:15 <pepijn> define hard
Jun 11 09:51:16 <pepijn> ;)
Jun 11 09:51:17 <l0c4lh0st> Just curious why I can't login
Jun 11 09:51:37 <pepijn> you might want to mount the usb disk on a different machine
Jun 11 09:51:43 <pepijn> and check /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow
Jun 11 09:51:55 <pepijn> and /etc/ssh/*
Jun 11 09:52:23 <l0c4lh0st> Yeah, problem is, I don't have any Linux machine here :D
Jun 11 09:52:26 <l0c4lh0st> hehe
Jun 11 09:52:28 <pepijn> di is 'a work in progress'
Jun 11 09:52:54 <pepijn> debianslug as well, but it has the advantage that it has its own 'recovery' mode
Jun 11 09:53:12 <pepijn> so you can boot into the firmware, and then mount the disk for inspection
Jun 11 09:53:20 <l0c4lh0st> omg...
Jun 11 09:53:28 <pepijn> this is something that is on the todo list for di
Jun 11 09:53:39 <l0c4lh0st> So you recommend me to install DebianSlug?!
Jun 11 09:53:54 * pepijn does not recommend anything ;)
Jun 11 09:54:06 <l0c4lh0st> I installed that yesterday, but found out I couldn't install Apache on it, so I switched to the firmware I'm running now
Jun 11 09:54:09 <pepijn> just saying that is how i have installed my system at the moment
Jun 11 09:54:22 <pepijn> huh?
Jun 11 09:54:31 <pepijn> could not install apache?
Jun 11 09:54:35 <l0c4lh0st> Yeah
Jun 11 09:54:38 <l0c4lh0st> There is no package for it
Jun 11 09:55:01 <l0c4lh0st> :(
Jun 11 09:55:19 <l0c4lh0st> So bazz- (if I remember right) recommended me to switch to Debian/NSLU2
Jun 11 09:55:44 <pepijn> DebianSlug *is* Debian/NSLU2 as well
Jun 11 09:55:51 <l0c4lh0st> :/
Jun 11 09:55:55 <pepijn> terminology is quite confisuing
Jun 11 09:56:05 <l0c4lh0st> ORLY? :P
Jun 11 09:56:08 <pepijn> just a different way of getting there
Jun 11 09:56:08 <l0c4lh0st> Damn, I'm confused now
Jun 11 09:56:21 <l0c4lh0st> So what should I do?
Jun 11 09:56:21 <pepijn> open http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug
Jun 11 09:56:34 <pepijn> and look at 'state of the project'
Jun 11 09:56:47 <l0c4lh0st> yeah
Jun 11 09:56:57 <pepijn> i just fixed a minor thing there to make option 1 easier
Jun 11 09:57:13 <pepijn> the difficult part is the manual bootstrap
Jun 11 09:57:27 <pepijn> but as long as you follow the procedure there, you should be fine
Jun 11 09:57:53 <pepijn> and you end up with the same result as when running di
Jun 11 09:58:21 <pepijn> -firmware image which is different (but that is only noticeable when you have serial cable during boot)
Jun 11 09:59:16 <l0c4lh0st> So... I download the new DebianSlug 3.10 firmware?
Jun 11 09:59:40 <l0c4lh0st> http://www.slug-firmware.net/s-dls.php First link on that page
Jun 11 10:00:30 <l0c4lh0st> Or what?
Jun 11 10:00:34 <l0c4lh0st> I'm totally confused now..
Jun 11 10:01:44 <l0c4lh0st> Will apt-get work on that?
Jun 11 10:03:02 <l0c4lh0st> Gonna eat now, bbl
Jun 11 10:03:09 <l0c4lh0st> Lot of work with this NSLU2 man....
Jun 11 10:03:30 <pepijn> yes, apt works
Jun 11 10:08:06 <pepijn> problem is of course that lots of people have done lots of different things for modifying the NSLU2 firmware
Jun 11 10:08:15 <pepijn> and you have to figure out which one suits you best
Jun 11 10:08:40 <pepijn> the thing is just too flexible ;)
Jun 11 10:31:55 <l0c4lh0st> So, pepijn, I need to install the new DebianSlug 3.10?
Jun 11 10:32:02 <l0c4lh0st> http://www.slug-firmware.net/s-dls.php First link on that page <---
Jun 11 10:32:49 <pepijn> yes, that is step 1, and gives you a 'locally' (no usb disk connected) boot
Jun 11 10:33:15 <pepijn> this boot can later be just as a 'failsafe' boot
Jun 11 10:34:08 <pepijn> actually, you can already use that to examine your current debian install ;)
Jun 11 10:34:34 <l0c4lh0st> :O
Jun 11 10:34:42 <l0c4lh0st> I think I'll just reflash the whole thing again
Jun 11 10:37:53 <pepijn> you won't lose your debian installation by doing that
Jun 11 10:38:38 <l0c4lh0st> I know, it's on the USB stick
Jun 11 10:38:50 <l0c4lh0st> I'm gonna format that USB stick too
Jun 11 10:38:55 <l0c4lh0st> I want a clean install
Jun 11 10:39:27 <pepijn> k, although it would be interesting why the ssh login failed ;)
Jun 11 10:39:48 <l0c4lh0st> Uhhhhh yeah, that too
Jun 11 10:40:08 <l0c4lh0st> So I just flash the new DebianSlug 3.10 image and attach my USB stick so I can check the files on it?
Jun 11 10:40:11 <l0c4lh0st> Makes sense :P
Jun 11 10:40:15 <pepijn> yep
Jun 11 10:40:33 <l0c4lh0st> Do I need to boot into RedBoot again?
Jun 11 10:40:45 <l0c4lh0st> I had to do that a lot of times because the slug won't boot
Jun 11 10:41:05 <l0c4lh0st> (and then use fis command to write something in it)
Jun 11 10:41:07 <pepijn> no, you should be able to load the image with upslug
Jun 11 10:41:16 <l0c4lh0st> ah okay
Jun 11 10:41:16 * l0c4lh0st tries
Jun 11 10:41:28 <pepijn> actually the fis trick won't work for the debianslug image
Jun 11 10:41:46 <pepijn> but it does work for the di-nslu2/sda1 images
Jun 11 10:42:39 * l0c4lh0st plugs out his USB stick and flashes
Jun 11 10:42:52 <l0c4lh0st> damn that stick is HOT
Jun 11 10:53:30 <l0c4lh0st> So.. it's done flashing
Jun 11 10:53:38 <l0c4lh0st> now I end up with the same firmware I was using yesterday
Jun 11 10:53:41 <l0c4lh0st> apt-get is not working
Jun 11 10:54:55 <pepijn> yes
Jun 11 10:55:16 <pepijn> now you can mount the stick and check the filesystem
Jun 11 10:55:28 <pepijn> /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow, /etc/ssh/sshd_config
Jun 11 10:55:39 <pepijn> (on the stick)
Jun 11 10:56:26 <pepijn> then, you can either try booting from the stick (use 'turnup')
Jun 11 10:56:41 <pepijn> or try installing debian on it using the bootstrap method
Jun 11 10:57:07 <pepijn> note: booting from the stick probably requires copying /lib/modules from flash to the stick
Jun 11 10:57:19 <pepijn> kernel differences
Jun 11 10:57:31 <pepijn> thus:module differences
Jun 11 12:22:38 <rwhitby> l0c4lh0st: use DebianSlug firmware and debootstrap if you want the latest kernel - the Debian/NSLU2 is easier to install, but the official Debian kernel does not have all our latest patches yet because Debian policy is that they must be pushed upstream first.
Jun 11 12:23:14 <rwhitby> So DebianSlug and Debian/NSLU2 are the same from a userland point of view once you are running a Debian rootfs, but your kernel and kernel modules are quite different.
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