**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 17 02:59:57 2006 Sep 17 06:59:43 .. Sep 17 10:00:30 rwhitby: have checked in a ds101g-kernel-modules.mk, what have I to to to let it build by nudi? Sep 17 10:02:10 add it to the top-level Makefile in the DS101G specific packages Sep 17 10:03:39 I just unstuck the "make update" on the autobuilder, so it should go through this time. Sep 17 10:03:57 rwhitby: I did yesterday Sep 17 10:07:07 rwhitby: the stock kernel 2.4.22 sources didn't work, synology has patched it heavily for the sandpoint platform Sep 17 10:07:10 hi all. did i get it right: by using unslung 6.8 with unslinging to port 2 i can just stick a ntffs-formatted into port 1 additionally without no hassle? this would bewonderful Sep 17 10:07:30 I currently host the kernel sources on my own webspace Sep 17 10:10:23 bbl Sep 17 10:15:49 gda_: we can put the kernel sources on an nslu2-linux website if you like Sep 17 10:18:19 for forgotten password recovery, can i just unsling again without the -nopw option? Sep 17 10:52:25 rwhitby: would by nice, it is currently http://www.dachsweb.de/synology-linux-2.4.22.tar.bz2 Sep 17 10:52:33 s/by/be/ Sep 17 10:52:34 gda_ meant: rwhitbe: would by nice, it is currently http://www.dachsweb.de/synology-linux-2.4.22.tar.bz2 Sep 17 10:53:03 after upload tell me please the url so that I can fix the makefile Sep 17 11:02:55 rwhitby: after unslinging from 2.x to 6.8 i am unslung now, but when telnet-ing into the nslu2 i get a Cannot execute /share/hdd/conf/opt/bin/sh: No such file or directory ..any clues? Sep 17 11:37:59 WiPMAC: my guess is you've moved where root's shell is Sep 17 11:51:13 rwhitby: now i also migrated to packages with /sbin/slingover disk2 ...still no go ..what can ido now? Sep 17 11:51:58 WiPMAC: no idea - you're probably the first to try a direct 2.x to 6.x transition. You'd be very lucky if it worked flawlessly. Sep 17 11:55:00 i'm not sureif it was 2.x or 3.x :( ..if that matters .. well.. the usb-drives are well detected and available via nfs in my network ..so all is fine .. ijust wanna telnet againinto it. Sep 17 11:55:44 boot without disk. mount disk. edit /etc/passwd to give root a good shell again. reboot with disk. Sep 17 11:55:47 rwhitby: can i not just copy the /opt/bin/sh now to the correct place? (which is it?) Sep 17 11:56:01 k Sep 17 11:56:50 "edit" aint availbale if booting without drive attached. any other cmd for editing? Sep 17 11:56:59 vi Sep 17 11:57:06 thx Sep 17 11:57:51 so the path is no more /share/hdd/conf/opt/bin/sh now. what would be correct now? Sep 17 11:58:10 you should never have put /share/... in /etc/passwd anyway Sep 17 11:58:18 what's wrong with just /opt/bin/sh ? Sep 17 11:58:56 (and BTW, changing the shell for root to something which is not guaranteed to be always available is not a very good idea at the best of times) Sep 17 12:00:14 well in my passwd its like that: /share/hdd/conf/opt/bin/sh. and when logging with telnet in i get the "Cannot execute /share/hdd/conf/opt/bin/sh: No such file or directory" Sep 17 12:00:29 so u suggest i should try ONLY /opt/bin/sh now ? Sep 17 12:02:20 WiPMAC: I'm not going to suggest anything. You should use /bin/sh for root's shell, always. Sep 17 12:06:11 rwhitby: well, but it obviously was /bin/sh (with itc complete path).. so i could try using only /opt/bin/sh as a path for the shell .. if i didnt completely misunderstand u ;) Sep 17 12:07:53 rwhitby: but "ls /opt/bin/" will tell me the dir is not available :( even though the usb drive is now hot-plugged Sep 17 12:08:27 is there a chance that changing the path to /opt/bin/sh might work anyways? Sep 17 12:51:35 thx rwhitby - things work well now! Sep 17 13:22:06 does overclocking the nslu2 to 266 mhz also (significantly) increase power need of the nslu2? Sep 17 13:29:22 forget this^^. its all documanted on the homepage :) thx Sep 17 15:32:34 anyone else having "a bunch" of slugs? Sep 17 15:33:01 I'm pondering on fixing "one power supply to rule them all" :) Sep 17 15:35:40 define bunch Sep 17 15:36:34 at first doesn't sound that good an idea - what if it breaks down? all the slugs crash simultaneously Sep 17 15:38:46 yeah well, they're cheap :) Sep 17 15:39:25 I'd like to see a "backplane" for the slugs.. with power and ethernet switch :) Sep 17 15:41:54 ? Sep 17 15:44:00 kolla: well, money was no issue here...just their operational status Sep 17 15:45:43 Hi. I'm running "make optoware-nslu2" and right now it's on try 18 trying to download freedts-0.64 How many tries will it do? It's not going to try untill it succeeds, is it? Sep 17 15:49:24 hi eno Sep 17 15:51:17 drif: well, I dont use computers for anything "important" :) Sep 17 15:52:00 not even a screen session? Sep 17 15:52:16 which kinda fails its purposes during downtime :P Sep 17 15:54:43 hi gda_ Sep 17 15:55:40 eno: yesterday I checked in a kernel module package for the ds101g Sep 17 15:56:05 today rwithby told: I just unstuck the "make update" on the autobuilder, so it should go through this time. Sep 17 15:56:27 but I can't see anything in the logs Sep 17 15:57:55 there seems to be some problem of autobuild on nudi, timestamp Sep 15 02:58 autobuild.log Sep 17 15:58:07 It gave up after 20 tries, but now it's stuck on freeze-2.5.0 instead :/ Sep 17 15:58:31 so autobuild is not actively running Sep 17 15:58:40 any evidence that it happens because of my work? Sep 17 15:58:50 heard there was a problem related to monotone Sep 17 15:58:56 I see Sep 17 15:59:08 gda_: i don't think so, it hasn't reached optware stage yet Sep 17 15:59:37 I still don't understand for what monotone is need if you have svn Sep 17 16:00:01 it would be nice to separately schedule openslug build and optware build Sep 17 16:00:08 since they are quite independent Sep 17 16:00:24 I read much about open source, but this project was the first that mentions monotone Sep 17 16:00:39 i kinda understand the need for distributed SCM Sep 17 16:01:01 since openslug is just one project that uses openembedded Sep 17 16:01:04 so it does more than svn? Sep 17 16:01:30 yes, distributed SCM, allow people to push/pull between repos Sep 17 16:01:43 svn alone cannot do this Sep 17 16:02:08 and it's oe's decision to use monotone Sep 17 16:02:13 not openslug's Sep 17 16:02:34 personally i like mercurial a lot Sep 17 16:02:36 eno: is it only splitting one cronjob into two, for separating the projects? Sep 17 16:02:53 never heared Sep 17 16:03:53 can be done that way, it really depends on how often openslug/monotone is having problem blocking the rest of the build Sep 17 16:04:47 the question is now whether someone from openslug team is aware of the problem Sep 17 16:05:01 bbl Sep 17 16:05:02 i highly recommend mercurial, for some complicated make/xxx.mk or openslug recipe.bb Sep 17 16:05:33 i think they do, i'll remind them in PM Sep 17 16:11:14 eno: if you some time, please look into my ds101g-kernel-modules.mk as it is something new for optware and I am still new too ;) Sep 17 16:13:27 ok, i'll take a look Sep 17 16:14:26 Tobbe: occasionally upstream tarballs are not available, which caused problem in the freetds case Sep 17 16:15:01 eno: with another config file it should work fine for the ds101(j), but without the hardware I will not do it Sep 17 16:15:04 but i don't do "make optware-nslu2" that often, probably once or twice a year Sep 17 16:19:19 eno: Ok, thanks Sep 17 16:22:06 03bzhou * r4057 10optware/trunk/make/py-amara.mk: py-amara: upstream upgrade to 1.1.9 Sep 17 16:23:00 To be honest, I have no idea what I'm doing. I just want to compile a few things for my slug, so I have been reading the crosscompile page on the wiki. But it's hard to know what is old and what is new, what is outdated and what is still relevant. I read "make optware-nslu2" somewhere and thought that it sounded like what I wanted to do, but maybe I was wrong... Sep 17 16:24:19 Tobbe: if you want to build a few things for your slug, let's say the package name is abc, then simply do "make abc-ipk" under optware/nslu2 Sep 17 16:25:20 it will make all the build-time dependencies, and only those build-time dependencies + abc-ipk for you Sep 17 16:26:02 so you can be more targetted, and save some disk space Sep 17 16:26:43 i often try a small package like "make which-ipk" first Sep 17 16:26:56 to make sure the toolchain are built Sep 17 16:28:31 i just saw earlier msg about lilo passed away, read on /. he was hit by a car riding his bike! Sep 17 16:28:46 I meant I want to build stuff that isn't available already Sep 17 16:29:46 Tobbe: you should try to understand how the make system work first, then copy make/template.mk to make/your-new-package.mk Sep 17 16:30:10 customize make/your-new-package.mk to do what you want Sep 17 16:30:27 testing it by "make your-new-package" Sep 17 16:31:15 read http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/AddAPackageToUnslung Sep 17 16:31:23 Yeah, I found this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Unslung/AddAPackageToUnslung a while ago, but by then "make optware-nslu2" had been running like 8 hours already, so I didnt' want to stop it Sep 17 16:31:30 right :) Sep 17 16:32:16 i don't think the wiki page recommends "make optware-nslu2" Sep 17 16:32:49 Tobbe: i c, so you've already started "make optware-nslu2" Sep 17 16:33:15 that's not a necessary step to add a package Sep 17 16:34:04 ok, good to know :) Sep 17 16:34:14 it's been running 10 hours now :) Sep 17 16:35:16 our official build machine does build the whole package set, for different platforms Sep 17 16:37:39 gtg, bbl Sep 17 16:37:51 thanks for explaining to me eno Sep 17 16:38:04 good luck with your new package Sep 17 16:47:32 03bzhou * r4058 10optware/trunk/make/mailman.mk: mailman: upstream upgrade to 2.1.9 Sep 17 17:07:49 gda_: i personally like your make/ds101g-kernel-modules.mk Sep 17 17:08:04 eno: thanks Sep 17 17:09:31 i'm thinking we should have something like that for nslu2 as well Sep 17 17:09:43 will discuss with rwhitby Sep 17 17:10:03 since this is an area where openslug and optware overlaps a bit Sep 17 17:11:56 eno: currently this modules are nothing for stupid users, as there is nothing that loads the modules in the right way for them Sep 17 17:13:02 you mean you'll need to use modprobe or insmod right? Sep 17 17:13:22 on the ds101g is a modprobe, but it doesn't look into the right dirs Sep 17 17:13:37 insmod is all you can use Sep 17 17:13:56 i c Sep 17 17:14:10 I have my own startscript for loading the modules, but this is not for general use Sep 17 17:14:49 for me this is enough, I will see whether there will be more users of the modules than just me Sep 17 17:15:30 yeah, get it out and get some feedback, then improve Sep 17 17:15:41 right Sep 17 17:17:42 sometimes I am wondering about the nicknames in irc, kfm is 82 your year of birth or your age? ;) Sep 17 17:18:25 gda is propably pronounced "g-da" or "cheata" or "cheater" ? Sep 17 17:18:51 when you need additional kernel module, i guess you'll need to bump up IPK_VERSION of ds101g-kernel-modules.mk ? Sep 17 17:19:28 :) very simple, my name is Gerald Dachs, 20 years ago I got this shortening in my company Sep 17 17:19:41 eno: yes Sep 17 17:20:17 too bad for me that "ps" was already taken gda_ Sep 17 17:20:32 gda was taken too Sep 17 17:20:50 that's why you use gda_ Sep 17 17:21:03 you got it Sep 17 17:23:01 eno: I forgot, rwithby told already yesterday that this kernel modules ipk could be interesting for nslu2 Sep 17 17:23:21 just before I started it Sep 17 17:23:47 excellent Sep 17 17:25:12 anyone have idea why linksys and synology all use 2.4.22? Sep 17 17:25:37 montevista? Sep 17 17:40:46 eno: but at least the synology sources are heavily patched! couldn't use the stock sources Sep 17 17:41:13 k Sep 17 19:55:29 gda_: autobuild was stuck in a second place too - have unplugged that now Sep 17 19:56:01 ssh to one of the mirror machines was hung for some reason Sep 17 19:56:26 (independent of slugos or optware, so splitting them would not have helped in either case) Sep 17 20:05:37 blaster8: ping Sep 17 20:06:00 allo Sep 17 20:06:02 got my new build machine up Sep 17 20:06:06 sweet Sep 17 20:06:13 mm Sep 17 20:06:21 4 VMs so far Sep 17 20:06:33 SlugOS should build again now - there were a couple of OE regressions which have now been fixed. Sep 17 20:06:44 Good, I got it to build yesterday Sep 17 20:06:53 are you using Xen or VMWare (or something else)? Sep 17 20:06:57 OpenVZ Sep 17 20:07:11 basically virtualises userland, like a glorified chroot Sep 17 20:07:45 anyway, is there any specific things I should work on tomorrow? Sep 17 20:07:55 sorry for lack of english in that sentence Sep 17 20:08:01 Gotcha. I'm still looking for an opensource server VM system which allows me to run debian and centos VMs on the same machine (including different kernels). Sep 17 20:08:10 it's very good Sep 17 20:08:26 I run it on a minimal gentoo base system Sep 17 20:08:33 then all my VMs run debian etch Sep 17 20:09:05 as for things to do tomorrow - can you test out the 2.3 package to see if it is at least as good as your 2.1 package? Sep 17 20:09:06 the system is headless and the only communication to the base system is by serial cable Sep 17 20:09:18 ok - I'll sort that and then have a look at hotplug Sep 17 20:09:35 Who knows about the hotplug-ng system currently in SlugOS? Sep 17 20:09:56 oh, that reminds me, I have some list emails I need to answer now I'm back at a real email client (instead of on the Treo650) Sep 17 20:10:24 ok Sep 17 20:10:33 Dunno about the hotplug question. Perhaps ask in #oe if it's something OE-specific about how hotplug-ng is being used. Sep 17 20:10:51 well, I don't properly understand hotplug Sep 17 20:10:57 and can find very little documentation Sep 17 20:11:22 but I'll see what I can do Sep 17 20:12:11 anyway, gtg, I'll update you by email when something happens :) Sep 17 20:17:07 I'm having trouble with a makefile that uses pkg-config while doing some native compilation. Is there a reason the .pc files pkg-config uses aren't on my slug? Sep 17 20:20:53 pvh: is this unslung or openslug and is it a specific package that is missing - there are plenty of .pc files in /opt/lib/pkgconfig here Sep 17 20:21:36 AdamBaker: Unslung 6.8b, and I've noticed it with openssl and sigc++ so far. Sep 17 20:22:34 pvh: the person who contributed those packages probably simply didn't include them. Sep 17 20:23:04 rwhitby: Ah, so should I just email the maintainers then? Sep 17 20:23:07 feel free to create a -dev additional ipk which includes the stuff required to do native compilation using such libraries. Sep 17 20:23:12 pvh: I can confirm I've got openssl installed here and the .pc is missing - I'll have a look at the openssl makefile Sep 17 20:23:34 usually we don't include those things in the normal ipk (as native compilation on the slug is not a common use case) Sep 17 20:24:06 openssl does include all of its .h files in the ipk Sep 17 20:24:08 (we don't install the .a files either, for the same reason) Sep 17 20:24:25 AdamBaker: correct - those would be in an openssl-dev ipk Sep 17 20:24:53 (someone needs to add support for a separate -dev package to the existing openssl .mk file Sep 17 20:26:46 rwhitby: How much knowledge would that require? Sep 17 20:27:19 pvh: not a great deal - there is code already there to create the normal .ipk file, just copy that for the -dev.ipk Sep 17 20:27:21 I'd be happy to help, but I don't have much experience with ipkg in particular or building distribution packages in general. Sep 17 20:29:03 pvh: you can look at the php.mk and sdl.mk files for examples Sep 17 20:29:21 also cyrus-imapd.mk (although for some reason it uses -devel) Sep 17 20:30:11 rwhitby: Thanks. I'll see what I can do. Sep 17 20:30:13 Once you work it out - please add some text to the AddAPackageToUnslung wiki page so the next person will know how to do it. Sep 17 20:30:40 or I think there is a packaging conventions page - that might be a better place Sep 17 20:30:54 Will do. Sep 17 20:30:58 thx Sep 17 20:31:17 feel free to ask me for help once you've done an initial version based on the examples. Sep 17 20:31:22 do you have optware svn write access? Sep 17 20:31:27 rwhitby: No. Sep 17 20:31:42 once you've got a first version, ping me for that too Sep 17 20:31:48 will do. Sep 17 20:32:42 pvh: eno-away can also help with packaging questions Sep 17 20:32:50 I guess once there are a couple of packages that constitute good examples to copy from template.mk should be updated Sep 17 20:32:56 (as can many others here too) Sep 17 20:33:03 AdamBaker: yeah, good idea. Sep 17 20:33:53 openssl would be a good example to base the template on Sep 17 20:34:06 .h files, .pc files, .a files, etc. Sep 17 20:35:45 back later Sep 17 20:37:54 The Preview function in the nslu2-linux wiki seems to be broken... Anyone who can fix it? Sep 17 20:43:13 mcdmx: we had to update the version due to the vulnerability in PmWiki - looks like it has some issues. Sep 17 20:43:21 I'll ask ka6sox to look at it. Sep 17 20:43:43 well, i guess i have to misuse the "save" button for previews ;-) Sep 17 20:43:52 c'est la vie :-) Sep 17 20:58:49 gda_: ds101g kernel modules are now in the feed Sep 17 21:08:37 rwhitby: cool, thanks Sep 17 21:54:02 n8 Sep 18 00:31:32 03bzhou * r4059 10optware/trunk/make/gnutls.mk: gnutls: upstream upgrade to 1.4.4 Sep 18 00:31:40 03bzhou * r4060 10optware/trunk/make/libtasn1.mk: libtasn1: upstream upgrade to 0.3.6 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 18 02:35:45 2006 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Sep 18 02:59:57 2006