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Sep 22 05:56:30 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4089 10optware/trunk/make/swi-prolog.mk: swi-prolog: upstream upgrade to 5.6.20
Sep 22 06:06:18 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4090 10optware/trunk/make/cherokee.mk: trigger a rebuild to match gnutls
Sep 22 06:06:33 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4091 10optware/trunk/make/lftp.mk: lftp: trigger a rebuild to match gnutls
Sep 22 06:43:00 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4092 10optware/trunk/ (Makefile make/multitail.mk): added multitail
Sep 22 07:06:41 <blaster8> mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.nslu2-linux.org, disconnecting
Sep 22 07:06:54 <blaster8> ping: NAiL?
Sep 22 07:20:47 <jacques> blaster8, I get that a lot - I just try a few minutes later and sometimes it's back
Sep 22 07:20:54 <blaster8> ok
Sep 22 07:21:21 <blaster8> still there...
Sep 22 10:58:17 <CIA-5> 03blaster8 07ixp_npe * r411 10kernel/patches/2.6.18/series: Remove 07-copypage-xscale.patch, a fix is in 2.6.18
Sep 22 14:54:59 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4093 10optware/trunk/make/py-selector.mk: py-selector: upstream upgrade to 0.8.8
Sep 22 14:58:08 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4094 10optware/trunk/make/lighttpd.mk: lighttpd: upstream new snapshot 1.4.12r1332
Sep 22 15:36:26 <sjg56> anyone awake? i have a question about cpu usage associated with disk access
Sep 22 15:37:04 <sjg56> the benchmark pages say that the max for a slug is around 5-6mBps, consuming around 60-70% of the cpu
Sep 22 15:37:16 <sjg56> (whether it's de-underclocked isn't clear)
Sep 22 15:37:29 <sjg56> whereas I can get around 3mBps with 100% of my cpu usage
Sep 22 15:37:50 <sjg56> using debianslug, top says that > 50% of my cpu is in "waiting for IO" (i.e. 'wa' catagory in top)
Sep 22 15:38:18 <sjg56> my slug is running at 266mhz, and this problem gets even worse when i try to do things like download torrents
Sep 22 15:38:34 <sjg56> which max out at downloading at around 260kBps, because of this massive loss to "waiting for IO"
Sep 22 15:38:47 <sjg56> the kicker is, i don't remember this being a problem last year when i was running openslug
Sep 22 15:39:14 <sjg56> i went away for a year, came back, installed debianslug (old harddrive had died), and now i have this problem killing my slug :(
Sep 22 15:45:23 <Eiffel_> which torrent programm do u use ?
Sep 22 15:46:05 <Eiffel_> i am running enhanced-ctorrent and have around 5 to 10% cpu usage at most while downloading one file at 100kbps
Sep 22 15:46:10 <sjg56> tried rtorrent and bittornado
Sep 22 15:46:46 <sjg56> what does 'top' give you for the 'wa' catagory?
Sep 22 15:46:56 <sjg56> up near where it tells you how much cpu is in idle, user, sys, etc
Sep 22 15:47:18 <Eiffel_> 2,9%
Sep 22 15:47:31 <sjg56> at 100k? at least i know i can fix this ;)
Sep 22 15:48:04 <sjg56> are you running debian?
Sep 22 15:48:10 <Eiffel_> sid yes
Sep 22 15:48:55 <Eiffel_> you could try ctorrent its writen in c and has little cpu and ram usage
Sep 22 15:49:34 <sjg56> i will, but i supsect this problem is outside of the torrent prog, since i have it with other things like samba, ftp server, etc
Sep 22 15:49:51 <Eiffel_> i guess its swapping 
Sep 22 15:50:18 <sjg56> could be
Sep 22 15:50:32 <sjg56> but my swap0 process isn't getting much attention
Sep 22 15:50:44 <sjg56> er kswapd0
Sep 22 15:51:05 <Eiffel_> usb-storage ksoftirqd and kswapd0 used most cpu time 
Sep 22 16:18:25 <CIA-5> 03blaster8 07ixp_npe * r412 10kernel/patches/2.6.18/ (4 files): Fully remove 07-copypage-xscale.patch, remove 05-timer-ixp4xx.patch & 06-timer-nslu2.patch awaiting clocksource patches
Sep 22 16:25:01 <CIA-5> 03blaster8 07ixp_npe * r413 10kernel/ (CONFIG_CHANGES README_BRANCH STATUS): Update documentation
Sep 22 18:06:12 <goetter> Eiffel_: where did you get enhanced-ctorrent for sid?
Sep 22 18:10:30 <Eiffel_> source self compiled
Sep 22 18:10:36 <Eiffel_> i think
Sep 22 18:10:48 <Eiffel_> or maybe it was ctorrent
Sep 22 18:10:49 <Eiffel_> hmm
Sep 22 18:10:51 <Eiffel_> mom
Sep 22 18:11:12 <Eiffel_> sometimes i am mixing up unslung and debian ;-)
Sep 22 18:11:51 <goetter> might get rid of debian if it keeps this problem up
Sep 22 18:13:05 <Eiffel_> its the ctorrent package
Sep 22 18:13:16 <Eiffel_> ctorrent -v
Sep 22 18:13:16 <Eiffel_> CTorrent dnh2 
Sep 22 18:13:45 <Eiffel_> home page: http://ctorrent.sourceforge.net/
Sep 22 18:13:45 <Eiffel_> see also: http://www.rahul.net/dholmes/ctorrent/
Sep 22 18:13:56 <goetter> right. so it's not a debian package
Sep 22 18:16:01 <Eiffel_> start aptitude press u
Sep 22 18:16:08 <Eiffel_> press shift + 7
Sep 22 18:16:12 <Eiffel_> look for ctorrent
Sep 22 18:16:17 <Eiffel_> i think thats the one
Sep 22 18:17:07 <goetter> hum, can't find it on packages.debian.com
Sep 22 18:17:14 <goetter> er .org
Sep 22 18:19:32 <goetter> aptitude loads amazingly slowly
Sep 22 18:19:42 <Eiffel_> thats normal :-(
Sep 22 18:19:51 <Eiffel_> the slug is just tooo slow
Sep 22 18:20:22 <Eiffel_> and not enough ram
Sep 22 18:20:34 <Eiffel_> but aptitude is nice so far
Sep 22 18:25:51 <goetter> know how i can figure out definitively if my machine is swapping too much (and why it's doing it)?
Sep 22 18:26:07 <Eiffel_> free
Sep 22 18:26:41 <Eiffel_> ah k it loaded i must have compiled ctorrent on my own
Sep 22 18:26:52 <Eiffel_> there is no ctorrent package :-(
Sep 22 18:27:04 <goetter> right
Sep 22 18:27:23 <goetter> have you had problems with the default-installed debian ssh package?
Sep 22 18:27:56 <Eiffel_> hm its slow at the login but no other problems so far
Sep 22 18:36:51 <goetter> it's almost unusable for me from the immense lag...
Sep 22 18:37:06 <goetter> if i connect using wired LAN, it works great
Sep 22 18:37:16 <goetter> but over a wireless lan, or over the internet, it's unbearable
Sep 22 18:41:27 <goetter> hmm free tells me 
Sep 22 18:41:27 <goetter>              total       used       free
Sep 22 18:41:27 <goetter> Mem:         30300      29392        908
Sep 22 18:41:27 <goetter> -/+ buffers/cache:      16668      13632
Sep 22 18:41:27 <goetter> Swap:       506036      19340     486696
Sep 22 18:41:30 <goetter> doesn't look very good
Sep 22 18:42:14 <goetter> when you run ctorrent, how much mem/virtual mem does it use?
Sep 22 18:42:20 <goetter> (running at 100k)
Sep 22 18:45:24 <Eiffel_> 7820 virt
Sep 22 18:45:33 <Eiffel_> 3,6% mem
Sep 22 18:45:54 <Eiffel_> cache is turned off
Sep 22 18:46:01 <Eiffel_> so it uses less mem 
Sep 22 18:46:05 <goetter> how do you turn off cache?
Sep 22 18:46:23 <Eiffel_> -C 0
Sep 22 18:46:29 <goetter> i'll try that when it compiles
Sep 22 18:46:39 <goetter> recall if it takes long to compile? still have the compiled tree? :)
Sep 22 18:46:56 <goetter> oh, what do you use as a lightweight ftp server?
Sep 22 18:47:09 <Eiffel_> no not even the source so i wasnt sure if i compiled it or if it was a package
Sep 22 18:47:39 <Eiffel_> dunno if its lightweight but i am using vsftpd
Sep 22 18:48:03 <Eiffel_> as its loaded via xinetd its not using ram if not needed
Sep 22 18:48:08 <goetter> debian package?
Sep 22 18:50:19 <CIA-5> 03gda * r4095 10optware/trunk/ (make/ipkg.mk sources/ipkg/ds101g_vsnprintf_segfaults.patch): ipkg: fixed ipkg really
Sep 22 18:52:38 <Eiffel_> yes thats a debian package
Sep 22 18:53:33 <goetter> can you make ctorrent watch a directory?
Sep 22 18:53:59 <Eiffel_> directory ?!?
Sep 22 18:54:04 <Eiffel_> ah
Sep 22 18:54:15 <Eiffel_> yes
Sep 22 18:54:21 <Eiffel_> mom
Sep 22 18:54:38 <goetter> mom what?
Sep 22 18:55:09 <Eiffel_> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/OpenSlug/InstallCtorrent
Sep 22 18:55:16 <Eiffel_> mom = moment
Sep 22 18:55:42 <Eiffel_> there is an example script but you need to edit the parameters
Sep 22 18:56:55 <goetter> doesn't that script make a new screen/ctorrent for every torrent?
Sep 22 18:57:00 <goetter> that sounds super wasteful
Sep 22 18:57:45 <Eiffel_> no as long one download didnt finish it wont start an other
Sep 22 18:58:42 <goetter> oh. that's no good :)
Sep 22 18:58:48 <goetter> i want simultaneous downloads
Sep 22 19:00:02 <Eiffel_> than create a second file structure with a second script
Sep 22 19:00:27 <goetter> i'd rather not create N scripts for N torrents
Sep 22 19:00:32 <Eiffel_> around 4 torrents should be ok
Sep 22 19:00:42 <Eiffel_> much more will slow it down i think
Sep 22 19:01:17 <Eiffel_> its spends more time on swapping then
Sep 22 19:02:23 <eno> py-bittorrent has launchmany-console
Sep 22 19:03:16 <Eiffel_> yeah but you cant do anything else with the slug if you load too many torrents at one time
Sep 22 19:29:50 <gda_> eno: what reason did you have to go for a prerelease of lighttpd?
Sep 22 20:10:40 <eno> gda_: it fixed quite a few long outstanding bugs
Sep 22 20:11:30 <gda_> eno: have thought there was something special that you couldn't wait for any longer
Sep 22 20:11:51 <eno> and optware does not have strict policy on only incorporating released s/w
Sep 22 20:11:57 <gda_> ok
Sep 22 20:13:20 <gda_> NAiL: could you please make another bootstrap script for the ds101g with the ipkg I just checked in?
Sep 22 20:13:32 <gda_> it is tested and works
Sep 22 20:13:48 <gda_> bbl
Sep 22 21:09:15 <sjg56_> has anyone heard of an nslu2 with 256mb?
Sep 22 21:25:32 <Szafran> morning
Sep 22 21:26:44 <Szafran> i have a problem... i have a slug with serial mod... and the problem is that i can't write through the terminal, but i can see all the messages from the slug... anyone can tell me what can be the problem ??
Sep 22 21:29:06 <blaster8> transmit not connected?
Sep 22 21:29:38 <Szafran> i haven't done the mod myself but my friend says it should be ok
Sep 22 21:30:18 <Szafran> its done by using a small board from a siemens c55 cable if i'm not mistaken
Sep 22 21:35:29 <Szafran> here is a pic of the board: http://members.lycos.co.uk/szafran/serialmod.jpg
Sep 22 21:35:48 <blaster8> neat
Sep 22 21:36:16 <blaster8> I can't tell you what the problem is - serial is hard to debug in my experience
Sep 22 21:36:22 <blaster8> check you are using the right cable
Sep 22 21:36:51 <blaster8> check you're using the right settings in your terminal app
Sep 22 21:37:28 <Szafran> i'm green in such things... i'm keeping to the software side of the case and my friend does the hardware side
Sep 22 21:37:51 <Szafran> i've tried many settings and nothing
Sep 22 21:37:56 <blaster8> USB?
Sep 22 21:38:12 <Szafran> rs
Sep 22 21:38:16 <blaster8> Windows/Linux?
Sep 22 21:38:19 <Szafran> win
Sep 22 21:38:33 <blaster8> that doesn't help, unfortunately
Sep 22 21:38:43 <blaster8> adds in the possibility of driver problems
Sep 22 21:39:27 <Szafran> w8... i'll try to connect it to com1 and disconnect my IR receiver
Sep 22 21:40:46 <Szafran> nothing :/
Sep 22 21:41:26 <Szafran> i was hoping to install apex today and make use of the 128mb installed on the board
Sep 22 21:41:55 <blaster8> sorry, no shortage of potential problems :(
Sep 22 21:42:41 <Szafran> my friend says that the board has it's own V3.3 and the bard is not connected to the slugs main
Sep 22 21:43:02 <Szafran> is it because of this ??
Sep 22 21:43:22 <blaster8> ?
Sep 22 21:43:48 <blaster8> ok, what I think he means if that the 'converter' board is powered through the USB connection
Sep 22 21:44:00 <Szafran> maybe
Sep 22 21:44:05 <blaster8> I don't think there is any problem with power to the converter
Sep 22 21:44:10 <blaster8> or it wouldn't work at all
Sep 22 21:44:43 <Szafran> can a longer connection cable be a problem... 'cause mine has about 2m
Sep 22 21:44:55 <blaster8> no
Sep 22 21:45:00 <blaster8> USB is up to 5m
Sep 22 21:45:04 <Szafran> rs
Sep 22 21:45:13 <Szafran> not usb
Sep 22 21:45:51 <gda_> It could be a power problem
Sep 22 21:46:05 <blaster8> ok
Sep 22 21:46:37 <gda_> somtimes the rs232in pcs  work with +5 v
Sep 22 21:47:07 <gda_> but other way round it doesn't work
Sep 22 21:47:10 <Szafran> he measured the voltage and said it's 3.3v
Sep 22 21:47:36 <gda_> which voltage at with pin
Sep 22 21:47:46 <gda_> s/with(which/
Sep 22 21:48:13 <gda_> s/with/which/
Sep 22 21:48:13 <jbot> gda_ meant: s/which(which/
Sep 22 21:48:18 <gda_> shit
Sep 22 21:48:19 <Szafran> i don't know... as i said i'm only taking care of the software side
Sep 22 21:48:34 <Szafran> anyways... thanks for the help... i'll give the slug back to my friend and let him think out a way
Sep 22 21:48:38 <gda_> look at the picture
Sep 22 21:48:53 <gda_> three pins connected
Sep 22 21:49:00 <Szafran> my pic ??
Sep 22 21:49:16 <gda_> I don't know whether it is yours
Sep 22 21:49:42 <Szafran> sorry... but i don't know what r u taking about :/
Sep 22 21:49:44 <gda_> 1 pin is tx, another pin is rx, next is ground
Sep 22 21:49:57 <Szafran> oh yes
Sep 22 21:50:13 <Szafran> and the main from the slug is not connected
Sep 22 21:50:33 <gda_> so from where is coming the voltage to power the converter to +-12 volts?
Sep 22 21:50:59 <Szafran> 12v ??
Sep 22 21:51:24 <Szafran> all i know that it's a standard cable from a c55 siemens
Sep 22 21:51:27 <gda_> If you would have on the other side an usb connection, you would get the voltage from there
Sep 22 21:51:41 <gda_> rs232 = +-10 or +-12 v
Sep 22 21:51:42 <Szafran> and that the voltage is taken from the rs232 port
Sep 22 21:52:08 <gda_> no, there is no voltage pins on the rs232
Sep 22 21:52:25 <Szafran> oh
Sep 22 21:53:01 <Szafran> ok i'll give the message to my friend
Sep 22 21:53:14 <Szafran> he'll think sthing out
Sep 22 21:53:54 <gda_> you have only to connect the 4th pin on the nslu2 to + pin of the adapter
Sep 22 21:55:06 <Szafran> if this is the problem then why can i see what the slug 'says' and i can't write to it ?
Sep 22 21:55:44 <Szafran> this is weird :/
Sep 22 21:56:10 <gda_> because the pc side is sometimes not so sensitive and accepts 0 v for -10v and +3.3 for +10 v
Sep 22 21:57:11 <Szafran> ok
Sep 22 21:57:19 <gda_> or your friend has not connected the receiving pin
Sep 22 21:58:13 <gda_> anyway, if my friend would have done this to my slug, I would beat hime
Sep 22 21:58:16 <gda_> anyway, if my friend would have done this to my slug, I would beat him
Sep 22 21:59:26 <Szafran> it's he's work to play with such things and he does it for a long time, but he's green in software
Sep 22 21:59:45 <Szafran> so he does the mod and i check it
Sep 22 21:59:48 <gda_> which did he solder the adapter directly to board, instead of a connector? don't know the right english term
Sep 22 22:00:08 <Szafran> the connector is on the board
Sep 22 22:00:37 <Szafran> on the adapter board
Sep 22 22:00:59 <gda_> the picture shows that the siemens adapter is soldered directly to the mainboard
Sep 22 22:01:06 <Szafran> yes
Sep 22 22:01:22 <Szafran> and the siemens adapter has a connector
Sep 22 22:01:28 <Szafran> on the far side of it
Sep 22 22:01:36 <gda_> but it should be a connector on the mainboard instead
Sep 22 22:01:57 <Szafran> does it make a difference for resolcing my issue ??
Sep 22 22:02:03 <Szafran> *resolving
Sep 22 22:02:26 <gda_> no, it is only wrong to do it like this, a matter of prinzip
Sep 22 22:02:35 <gda_> n8
Sep 22 22:03:22 <Szafran> i wanted it like this... when it's going to work then i'll leave it there till the end of the slug's life
Sep 22 22:06:25 <Szafran> n8
Sep 23 00:21:10 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4096 10optware/trunk/make/hugs.mk: hugs: upstream upgrade to Sep2006
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