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Sep 26 09:11:58 <like2wise> anyone else got this error?  (openslug on an IXDP425)    INIT: version 2.86 booting       /etc/init.d/rcS: /etc/init.d/rcS: 17: mount: not found
Sep 26 09:26:28 <blaster8> are you building HEAD?
Sep 26 09:28:45 <likewise> yes
Sep 26 09:29:12 <blaster8> then don't
Sep 26 09:29:20 <likewise> blaster8: yes, but it seems the default busybox .config does not set CONFIG_{MOUNT,UMOUNT}
Sep 26 09:29:32 <blaster8> yes, we install our own from coreutils
Sep 26 09:29:48 <rwhitby> blaster8: likewise is building for a different board, and understands that head is unstable at the moment
Sep 26 09:30:23 <blaster8> ok, but as long as it is clear that HEAD is broken on all targets except NSLU2 BE atm
Sep 26 09:32:18 <likewise> blaster8: yep, IXDP425 BE here.
Sep 26 09:32:45 <blaster8> IXDP is not == NSLU2, mind
Sep 26 09:32:49 <blaster8> different peripheral
Sep 26 09:33:00 <blaster8> ok, can you check tmp/rootfs
Sep 26 09:33:06 <blaster8> Look for sbin/mount
Sep 26 09:33:10 <blaster8> simple checks first
Sep 26 09:33:52 <likewise> blaster8: I have both, and a third custom IXP4xx board. My aim is to develop on the IXDP425, work towards the custom board.
Sep 26 09:34:20 <blaster8> ok, that sounds good
Sep 26 09:34:37 <blaster8> theoretically, the 2 ethernet ports on the IXDP should work atm
Sep 26 09:34:43 <blaster8> if you can get it to boot, that is ;)
Sep 26 09:36:16 <likewise> blaster8: In some sense, I think it is best for me to stick with the stable openslug build, but I need up-to-date graphics libraries like cairo/freetype.
Sep 26 09:36:40 <blaster8> First, I would see if the stable build works at all
Sep 26 09:36:46 <blaster8> Then we know if we have a regression
Sep 26 09:37:10 <blaster8> I don't know if we ever had the IXDP as a successful development target
Sep 26 09:37:43 <NAiL> likewise: would it be a problem to backport cairo/freetype to 3.10?
Sep 26 09:37:54 <likewise> blaster8: I did that over half a year ago, directly from OE (no mastermakefile) and I am following the same approach now with HEAD. Indeed it seems that much has changed since.
Sep 26 09:38:15 <blaster8> SlugOS 4.x is currently in a pre-alpha state
Sep 26 09:38:18 <likewise> NAiL: probably not, I should take that road it seems.
Sep 26 09:38:25 <blaster8> That's your main problem
Sep 26 09:38:49 <likewise> How can I stick to the stable build, not using the MasterMake file, but with conf/local.conf only?
Sep 26 09:39:03 <blaster8> no way of doing that
Sep 26 09:39:08 <NAiL> huh?
Sep 26 09:39:31 <blaster8> Use the Master Makefile
Sep 26 09:39:42 <NAiL> ...
Sep 26 09:39:42 <blaster8> make openslug-3.10-beta should do it
Sep 26 09:40:29 <NAiL> or svn co http://svn.nslu2-linux.org/svnroot/slugos/releases/slugos-3.10-beta/ slug/
Sep 26 09:40:36 <NAiL> (I think that path is correct)
Sep 26 09:40:51 <blaster8> either will work, NAiL's version is cleaner
Sep 26 09:42:28 <likewise> But I have a remaining question: How was 3.10-beta tagged in time? Using bb package version, or was the monotone repository copied, or its revision? 
Sep 26 09:42:40 <blaster8> monotone repository copied
Sep 26 09:42:46 <blaster8> and pushed to SVN
Sep 26 09:43:07 <likewise> blaster8: ah! That I didn't suspect. I expected that I could extract some revision out of MTN.
Sep 26 09:43:11 <NAiL> it *should* have been tagged in mtn as well, but that was forgotten.
Sep 26 09:43:17 <blaster8> ;)
Sep 26 09:43:32 <NAiL> you could figure out the revision, but that'd take some time ;)
Sep 26 09:43:36 <blaster8> NAiL: Anyway, we do some maintenance once it is SVN anyway
Sep 26 09:43:40 <likewise> ok, that clears some issues for me. I should really work against the 0.24 0.25 mtn repo?
Sep 26 09:43:50 <blaster8> ? 0.24 0.25
Sep 26 09:43:56 <blaster8> no
Sep 26 09:44:13 <blaster8> if you are confused, foolproof way of building is:
Sep 26 09:44:19 <blaster8> download Master Makefile
Sep 26 09:44:25 <blaster8> make openslug-3.10-beta
Sep 26 09:44:35 <likewise> ok, i was reading this on http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Development/MasterMakefile
Sep 26 09:44:37 <blaster8> that will pull from SVN and build
Sep 26 09:44:54 <blaster8> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile
Sep 26 09:45:00 <blaster8> read that, more up-to-dat ;)
Sep 26 09:45:20 <likewise> blaster8: ok, I will just follow that and than proceed from there. Thanks for explaining the background, you as well NAiL.
Sep 26 09:45:41 <blaster8> If the 3.10 build doesn't work either, come back to HEAD
Sep 26 09:47:20 <likewise> blaster8: I will first see if there is a more generic distro in OE available, although I will move off the beaten path then (not good).
Sep 26 09:47:24 <NAiL> if the 3.10 build doesn't work, tell me ;)
Sep 26 09:48:17 <blaster8> NAiL: You know C right?
Sep 26 09:48:25 <blaster8> need help
Sep 26 09:49:02 <NAiL> blaster8: barely
Sep 26 09:49:06 <blaster8> that'll do
Sep 26 09:49:10 <blaster8> http://www.hohnstaedt.de/ixp_npe/IxNpeMicrocode.h
Sep 26 09:49:17 <blaster8> #if __BYTE_ORDER == __LITTLE_ENDIAN
Sep 26 09:49:38 <blaster8> how can I set little endian here? From an environment variable?
Sep 26 09:50:20 <NAiL> no, there's another way, I just can't remember :P
Sep 26 09:50:47 <NAiL> something like -D__BYTE_ORDER=__LITTLE_ENDIAN when compiling
Sep 26 09:50:48 <blaster8> http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/cpp/If.html
Sep 26 09:51:34 <blaster8> ok
Sep 26 09:51:53 <NAiL> but won't __LITTLE_ENDIAN be undefined if we're compiling BE? In that case you could do #ifdef __LITTLE_ENDIAN instead, no?
Sep 26 09:52:36 <blaster8> but I need to byteswap the firmware, but only for DebianSlug
Sep 26 09:53:37 <blaster8> NAiL: I think you're right about the -D option
Sep 26 09:54:40 <blaster8> The logic will be in the BB file
Sep 26 09:55:13 <NAiL> uh, does bitbake know the difference between LE and BE?
Sep 26 09:55:16 <blaster8> yes
Sep 26 09:55:22 <blaster8> '${ARCH_BYTE_SEX}'
Sep 26 09:55:25 <NAiL> ah, good
Sep 26 09:55:29 <blaster8> defined in the distro conf files
Sep 26 09:55:39 <NAiL> nothing to worry about then :)
Sep 26 09:55:41 <blaster8> otherwise, how could it mangle the kernel?
Sep 26 09:55:45 <NAiL> that's the easier way
Sep 26 10:01:39 <blaster8> hmm
Sep 26 10:06:35 <blaster8> isn't working, not sure why
Sep 26 10:21:11 <blaster8> sorted it
Sep 26 11:50:59 <likewise> NAiL: Idea: suppose I take the current OE/org.openembedded.dev branch, can I make my own distro that has the exact set of preferred versions that matches openslug 3.10-beta?
Sep 26 11:57:33 <blaster8> Not necessarily
Sep 26 11:57:46 <blaster8> Build SlugOS 3.10 and see if it runs
Sep 26 11:57:58 <blaster8> If it does not, then we will fix HEAD
Sep 26 12:01:25 <likewise> blaster8: I would like to work against the www.openembedded.org mtn org.openembedded.branch (I have multiple targets to maintain, not only IXP4xx).
Sep 26 12:01:59 <blaster8> Well, lets first see if there is a regression between 3.10 and HEAD
Sep 26 12:02:13 <blaster8> That will help us fix HEAD so it actually boots
Sep 26 12:14:03 <likewise> blaster8: ok, machine is chewing away at buidling 3.10.
Sep 26 12:14:16 <blaster8> sorry to send you the long way round
Sep 26 12:14:24 <likewise> NAiL: any idea whereabouts upstream monotone should have been tagged for 3.10?
Sep 26 12:14:49 <blaster8> Clue here: http://www.slug-firmware.net/s-dls.php
Sep 26 12:14:56 <blaster8> (Date)
Sep 26 12:15:04 <likewise> blaster8: np, always good to start off from something well tested. My own test base is well... me alone
Sep 26 12:15:13 <blaster8> that's the problem
Sep 26 12:15:40 <blaster8> We're really happy if you can get SlugOS to support the IXDP425 and eventually your own custom machine
Sep 26 12:16:09 <blaster8> but first we need to get this bit of debugging going
Sep 26 12:16:15 <likewise> blaster8: I think I had SlugOS run on my IXDP425 already, but I was pulling from OpenEmbedded then (let me check its date, I have it here I think)
Sep 26 12:16:48 <blaster8> You have checked that /sbin/mount exists on your root partition, right?
Sep 26 12:17:06 <likewise> yes, it did not
Sep 26 12:17:36 <blaster8> why ever not... were you building OpenSlug stock or with modifications
Sep 26 12:18:46 <blaster8> In slugos-image.bb RDEPENDS there is 'util-linux-mount'
Sep 26 12:18:59 <blaster8> at least on my machine
Sep 26 12:19:10 <likewise> blaster8: I worked with the www.openembedded.org MTN, branch org.openembedded.dev, wrote a small local.conf for my config, and ran off.
Sep 26 12:19:15 <likewise> blaster8: double checking that
Sep 26 12:19:19 <blaster8> well that's why then
Sep 26 12:19:25 <blaster8> you said you were building OpenSlug
Sep 26 12:19:32 <blaster8> and you're not building OpenSlug at all
Sep 26 12:19:39 <blaster8> you're building your own custom distro
Sep 26 12:20:18 <blaster8> please make clear what you are doing, as we all assume that the people who walk through the door of this IRC channel are doing something standard
Sep 26 12:20:41 <blaster8> like building the openslug target, rather than a target all of their own
Sep 26 12:20:43 <blaster8> ok
Sep 26 12:21:18 <blaster8> Step 1: You're best solution if you want support from us is to build an NSLU2-Linux target
Sep 26 12:21:52 <likewise> blaster8: I was/am confused about the interdependency of th repo on www.openembedded.org and the NLSU2 repository.
Sep 26 12:22:04 <blaster8> OK
Sep 26 12:22:23 <blaster8> It's simple
Sep 26 12:22:27 <likewise> I worked from the MTN @ OE.org, MACHINE="ixp4xx" DISTRO = "openslug"
Sep 26 12:22:41 <likewise> so for long I was assuming I was building the OpenSlug distro.
Sep 26 12:22:49 <blaster8> No your not, sorry
Sep 26 12:22:58 <blaster8> argh
Sep 26 12:23:02 <blaster8> you're/your confusion
Sep 26 12:23:23 <blaster8> If you want to build OpenSlug, download the Master Makefile
Sep 26 12:23:32 <blaster8> and type 'make openslug'
Sep 26 12:23:52 <likewise> yep, understand that now. You guys have explained the differences to me.
Sep 26 12:24:24 <blaster8> You are missing the contents of packages/images/slugos-image.bb from your custom distro, btw
Sep 26 12:24:35 <likewise> blaster8: just for the record, then what am I binding when building the openslug distro from OE.org?
Sep 26 12:24:56 <blaster8> You're building the distro
Sep 26 12:25:13 <blaster8> but for whatever reason you're not building a correct boot image
Sep 26 12:25:26 <blaster8> as you can't be building slugos-image, or you would have util-linux-mount
Sep 26 12:29:08 <NAiL> likewise: there's two commits shortly after eachother, one changing the version to 3.10-beta, and one after that changing it to 4.0-beta IIRC.
Sep 26 12:29:43 <NAiL> (in the monotone repo)
Sep 26 12:29:58 <NAiL> the one changing the version to 3.10 should've been tagged.
Sep 26 12:53:24 * NAiL suggests changing the maintainer field in the ixp4xx-npe.bb ;)
Sep 26 12:58:11 <blaster8> point :)
Sep 26 13:00:18 * NAiL goes off to work
Sep 26 13:08:09 <blaster8> likewise: ping
Sep 26 13:08:24 <blaster8> you doing OK now?
Sep 26 13:08:40 <likewise> building...
Sep 26 13:08:44 <blaster8> right
Sep 26 13:09:12 <blaster8> same here, actually - I'm doing a total rebuild just to check all is working and go back to a clean start
Sep 26 13:10:09 <likewise> blaster8: where is the local.conf located? I just did a grep for it, without result. (I want it to point to my global download dir, as its downloading pkgs I suspect I already downloaded).
Sep 26 13:16:53 <blaster8> ok easy fix
Sep 26 13:17:03 <blaster8> local.conf is in openslug/conf/local.conf
Sep 26 13:17:25 <blaster8> but I simply symlink downloads in the Makefile build directory to my global downloads
Sep 26 13:32:31 <CIA-5> 03blaster8 * r427 10kernel/trunk/patches/2.6.18/ (34-ixp4xx-0.1.0-fix-qmgr-LE.patch series): Add endian fix for qmgr code
Sep 26 13:55:06 <likewise> blaster8: could it be called auto.conf instead? No local.conf here
Sep 26 13:59:47 <blaster8> no - it should be there, I think
Sep 26 14:00:07 <blaster8> For now I would symlink downloads
Sep 26 14:05:30 <likewise> blaster8: no local.conf. find -regex '.*local\.conf$'  (I symlinked downloads indeed.)
Sep 26 14:05:51 <likewise> blaster8: where are you from blaster8? .nl here
Sep 26 14:15:35 <blaster8> allo
Sep 26 14:15:47 <blaster8> sorry only intermittently here
Sep 26 14:15:56 <blaster8> have you run make setup-openslug
Sep 26 14:17:23 <likewise> blaster8: no, immediately ran make openslug-3.10 (as NAiL mentioned)
Sep 26 14:17:51 <blaster8> well, either should create the openslug directory with local.conf inside
Sep 26 14:18:03 <blaster8> not sure what has happened there
Sep 26 14:18:11 <blaster8> still, do you need local.conf right now?
Sep 26 14:18:38 <blaster8> change packages/images/slugos-image.bb if you need extra stuff in the image
Sep 26 14:30:18 <likewise> blaster8: no, it's just that I wanted to learn to what extend this openembedded build differs from what I have learned so far.
Sep 26 14:38:22 <likewise> Do builds on 64-bit hosts still result in larger executables etc.? Both heard this on #oe as well as read this on the NLSU2 wiki.
Sep 26 14:38:44 <blaster8> no idea
Sep 26 14:39:00 <blaster8> I'd recommend building on i386 Debian Etch
Sep 26 14:39:29 <likewise> blaster8: asking on #oe right now.
Sep 26 20:38:13 <CIA-5> 03gda * r4103 10optware/trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): openldap: new version, cross compiled on ds101g
Sep 26 20:49:47 <AdamBaker> Tobbe: do you have the optware build setup available? If so I can let you have the patches that make df build. In order to make it work you have to replace /etc/mtab with a link to /proc/mounts and I can't commit the changes until I know if there are any side effects to doing that on the NSLU2 and what other platforms it needs doing on
Sep 26 23:28:02 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4104 10optware/trunk/make/py-sqlobject.mk: py-sqlobject: upstream upgrade to 0.7.1
Sep 27 00:01:47 <CIA-5> 03rwhitby * 10slugimage/slugimage: First, not very well tested, version which inserts and deletes the actual skip regions.
Sep 27 02:30:40 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4105 10optware/trunk/ (13 files in 3 dirs): python24 is now the concrete package, python just sets the default
Sep 27 02:33:57 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4106 10optware/trunk/Makefile: now we have python python24 & python25
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