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Nov 16 03:27:52 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4492 10optware/trunk/make/monit.mk: monit: upstream upgrade to 4.8.2
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Nov 16 05:21:47 <CIA-5> 03bzhou * r4493 10optware/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): py-bittorrent: patch bittorrent-curses
Nov 16 08:59:22 <CIA-5> 03blaster8 * r580 10kernel/trunk/patches/2.6.19/ (30-ixp4xx-0.2.1-driver.patch KERNEL defconfig): Update to 2.6.19-rc6, refresh patch
Nov 16 11:03:25 <[g2]> anybody tried netconsole with the GPL NPE driver ?
Nov 16 11:05:21 <barnseenio> unfortunately not!
Nov 16 11:14:13 <barnseenio> have you tried the now working/sanctioned installer method for putting debian on an nslu2?
Nov 16 11:15:28 <[g2]> barnseenio no, I haven't
Nov 16 11:16:10 <[g2]> barnseenio I've got my own hardware, complete with a sane bootloader so I don't need to do all the work arounds for the slug
Nov 16 11:16:44 <[g2]> I actually haven't really run the slug for probably over a year
Nov 16 11:19:28 <barnseenio> aah i see
Nov 16 11:19:35 <barnseenio> just i use the bootstrap
Nov 16 11:19:43 <barnseenio> but ive convinced my friend into getting one
Nov 16 11:19:49 <barnseenio> and im going to help him set it up
Nov 16 11:20:09 <barnseenio> and i guess im going to try installer method this time, as when i did mine it was discouraged
Nov 16 14:51:00 <hrw|work> hi guys
Nov 16 14:51:31 <hrw|work> OE/packages/ixp4xx/ixp-osal_*.bb are nslu2 only or nslu2|ixp4xx?
Nov 16 15:07:28 <NAiL> gah
Nov 16 15:08:00 <NAiL> svn is dog slow
Nov 16 15:10:17 <[g2]> NAiL amen to that
Nov 16 15:14:01 <GPSFan> [g2]: mornin..
Nov 16 15:14:35 <[g2]> GPSFan hey
Nov 16 15:17:02 <GPSFan> [g2]: did you ever get your wiki working on the new isp? 
Nov 16 15:17:33 <[g2]> GPSFan I haven't played with it. I posted the text from all the pages there
Nov 16 15:18:24 <GPSFan> [g2]: ah well, just curious. 
Nov 16 15:18:43 <[g2]> GPSFan you've got that link ?
Nov 16 15:18:57 <[g2]> it's just /ep93xx
Nov 16 15:20:04 <GPSFan> ah, cool, that's almost as useful, thanks..
Nov 16 15:21:42 <[g2]> almost useful ?
Nov 16 15:22:37 <GPSFan> [g2]: I didn't see the: "UbuntuDapperChrootBuild" page for the OSD.
Nov 16 15:22:47 <GPSFan> that's the almost part ;>)
Nov 16 15:24:03 <[g2]> ah speaking of the OSD....
Nov 16 15:25:00 <ktrepte> hello
Nov 16 15:25:23 <[g2]> hi
Nov 16 15:26:01 <ktrepte> I am looking for developers who want to join a project in setting up a firmware alternative for ICY BOX NAS1000/2000 Platform!
Nov 16 15:27:23 <ktrepte> Does anybody has some experiance about the Sausalito architecture?
Nov 16 15:32:06 <cbrake> ktrepte: no.  what is the Sausalito architecture?
Nov 16 15:34:30 <ktrepte> Sausalito is the middleware of the sun cobalt systems, which has become freeware
Nov 16 15:35:34 <ktrepte> Sausalitos idea of having a repository of software packages all providing a module of in a unified userinterface is a quite mighty concept!
Nov 16 15:36:25 <ktrepte> Sausalito is running on our NAS so far and I would like to come back to the roots of sausalito and it's module concept of web appliances
Nov 16 15:36:59 <cbrake> ktrepte: very intesting
Nov 16 15:37:06 * cbrake takes a look at http://bluequartz.org/
Nov 16 15:37:14 <ktrepte> It's a killer!
Nov 16 15:37:16 <cbrake> ktrepte: I assume that is where this stuff lives?
Nov 16 15:37:30 <ktrepte> yes exactly!
Nov 16 15:39:59 <ktrepte> but the documents can be found at: ftp://ftp.cobalt.com/pub/developer/TechNotes
Nov 16 15:40:38 <ktrepte> the essential file is: SSDK.pdf
Nov 16 15:41:23 <ktrepte> The guys from cobalt realy had the same Idea about smal servers as i did!
Nov 16 15:43:31 <[g2]> ktrepte mips based ?
Nov 16 15:50:41 <[g2]> ktrepte are you with raidsonic ?
Nov 16 15:53:14 <ktrepte> g2: yes, I am with raidsonic!
Nov 16 15:53:25 <ktrepte> g2: arm 9
Nov 16 15:53:53 <[g2]> ktrepte which ARM ?
Nov 16 15:53:59 <[g2]> 920T ?
Nov 16 15:54:09 <ktrepte> ?
Nov 16 15:54:30 <vmaster> ktrepte: there are lots of different ARM9 cores
Nov 16 15:54:46 <vmaster> ktrepte: ARM920t being one of them
Nov 16 15:54:49 <[g2]> vmaster would know :)
Nov 16 15:54:53 <ktrepte> I see, got to find out! 
Nov 16 15:55:08 <vmaster> what chip is it?
Nov 16 15:55:09 <ktrepte> I am the product manager not the engeneer
Nov 16 15:55:22 <[g2]> ktrepte perfect!
Nov 16 15:57:13 <ktrepte> looking up!
Nov 16 15:57:37 * [g2] roots for ARM926-EJS
Nov 16 15:58:00 <[g2]> but ARM920T would be fine
Nov 16 15:58:25 <ktrepte> The CPU is a Storlink SL3316
Nov 16 16:02:51 <[g2]> ktrepte so you would like firmware developers for a Gigabit product ?
Nov 16 16:03:46 <ktrepte> I am looking for a more general strategy, not only for a better hardware!
Nov 16 16:04:25 <ktrepte> Do you need more information. Can't ask till tomorrow, because there is another time zone in TW
Nov 16 16:04:36 <HopsNBarley> looks like an expensive chip, relative to freescale 8241 or IXP42x, is it?
Nov 16 16:05:04 <ktrepte> Of corse we are working on a better hardware too, but i have more in mind!
Nov 16 16:05:05 <[g2]> are you looking for a Centroid(tm) or Gemini(tm) product ?
Nov 16 16:05:43 <[g2]> ktrepte I have an embedded linux distribution company
Nov 16 16:06:08 <ktrepte> I see! Interesting!
Nov 16 16:06:25 <[g2]> I've been on the look out for  a manufacting company that would like to leverage open source firmware
Nov 16 16:06:29 <ktrepte> What is the name of that company?
Nov 16 16:06:38 <[g2]> http://www.giantshoulderinc.com
Nov 16 16:07:00 <ktrepte> g2: please give me your mail account!
Nov 16 16:07:00 <[g2]> http://www.giantshoulderinc.com/hw-4533
Nov 16 16:07:30 <[g2]> ktrepte it's on the main page
Nov 16 16:07:30 <[g2]> http://www.giantshoulderinc.com/ab3
Nov 16 16:08:19 <[g2]> That's my last product which is a 533Mhz IXP425 
Nov 16 16:09:20 <[g2]> I also coordinated an open source team that pushed many cirrus logic ep93xx kernel changes upstream the mainline kernel
Nov 16 16:09:30 <ktrepte> g2 sorry I am not allowed to talk about our future plans without a NDA. I am mainly looking for some contacts!
Nov 16 16:09:34 <HopsNBarley> [g2], where are you located?
Nov 16 16:09:49 <[g2]> Raleigh area NC, USA
Nov 16 16:09:55 <ktrepte> We are located in Ahrensburg close to Hamburg Germany
Nov 16 16:10:08 <HopsNBarley> cool.  i'm in san jose, and also have an embedded linux company (-;
Nov 16 16:10:24 <[g2]> dwery is in italy :)
Nov 16 16:10:43 <[g2]> HopsNBarley what's the :( ?
Nov 16 16:11:05 <HopsNBarley> it was happy (-;
Nov 16 16:11:22 <[g2]> Ah...  
Nov 16 16:11:30 <HopsNBarley> do i do it backwards?
Nov 16 16:11:55 <HopsNBarley> that never occured to me.  anyways, a bit of a ); - fundraising has been slow.
Nov 16 16:12:19 <ktrepte> g2: are you looking for a platform?
Nov 16 16:12:38 <cbrake> HopsNBarley: do you have a web site/contact info?
Nov 16 16:12:45 <HopsNBarley> ktrepte, we are.
Nov 16 16:13:24 <ktrepte> HopsNBarley: have you got a site/contact info? ;-)
Nov 16 16:13:27 <[g2]> ktrepte I'm interested in colaboration
Nov 16 16:14:09 <[g2]> ktrepte send me an e-mail I'll explain some things
Nov 16 16:14:11 <ktrepte> g2: me too! Have sent you a mail to the addres of your contact page! Please answer!
Nov 16 16:14:36 <[g2]> nod.  will do
Nov 16 16:14:57 <[g2]> ktrepte do you Skype ?
Nov 16 16:15:10 <ktrepte> yes!
Nov 16 16:15:32 <HopsNBarley> half a billion packets.  i'd say it was stable... (-;
Nov 16 16:15:35 <[g2]> Cool. and speak some english, my German is rotten
Nov 16 16:15:38 <ktrepte> g2: please send me a mail back and you'll get the skype!
Nov 16 16:16:18 <ktrepte> g2: my spoken english is quite good, don't worry. just spelling is my week point!
Nov 16 16:16:36 <[g2]> ktrepte isn't worried at all
Nov 16 16:17:36 <ktrepte> g2: German is a quite difficult language!
Nov 16 16:18:53 <vmaster> heh, it's just not as much as use as english... guess that's its major drawback ;)
Nov 16 16:19:08 <vmaster> -as
Nov 16 16:21:13 <ktrepte> vmaster: True! But it has just been two or three votes been away of beeing the most used language, since the US vote on the national language as I know!
Nov 16 16:22:02 <ktrepte> I always write manuals in english first, because than they are much easier to understand and then I translate them back to german!
Nov 16 16:22:26 <[g2]> ktrepte e-mail reply sent
Nov 16 16:22:57 <HopsNBarley> ktrepte, i put my contact in a private dialog window, do you see it?
Nov 16 16:23:03 <ktrepte> But when I have to help my girlfriend on her scientific assays I whish she could write them in german, becaus english is missing some abilities when its getting to complex!
Nov 16 16:23:29 <ktrepte> HopsNBarley: Mail is allready out!
Nov 16 16:23:43 <[g2]> ktrepte may I ask how you found us here ?
Nov 16 16:26:01 <ktrepte> Well I was checking out the NSLU Linux page for getting in to contact with some developers! I would realy like to develope by myself but I am to busy with the administrative things on our products!
Nov 16 16:26:56 <HopsNBarley> ktrepte, thanks!  reply on the way!
Nov 16 16:27:38 <[g2]> ktrepte cool. That why I built that hw box.  After about 1.25 years with nslu2-linux I had the hardware built I thought was correct
Nov 16 16:27:50 <[g2]> that was about 1.25 years ago
Nov 16 16:28:12 <[g2]> the end of the month marks about 2.5 years on nslu2-linux
Nov 16 16:28:49 <ktrepte> g2: interesting! Where are you producing it?
Nov 16 16:29:23 <[g2]> ktrepte for the hw I picked a company to build it that already had several IXP4xx designs
Nov 16 16:29:43 <[g2]> I didn't want to do both the HW and all the firmware at the same time
Nov 16 16:29:57 <[g2]> http://www.gateworks.com makes the boards
Nov 16 16:30:06 <[g2]> it's basically a custom GW2348
Nov 16 16:31:57 <ktrepte> g2: how can you be compettative when producing in US?
Nov 16 16:32:36 <[g2]> ktrepte it depens on the markets
Nov 16 16:32:58 <ktrepte> g2: true! What are you focusing?
Nov 16 16:33:02 <[g2]> I was targeting the SOHO market which was bad idea
Nov 16 16:33:23 <[g2]> however the high-end wireless market is quite well suited to the product
Nov 16 16:33:43 <[g2]> that was my huge lesson with the Loft product about market focus
Nov 16 16:35:04 <ktrepte> g2: that's a hard business! SOHO! We can only compete because we produce in CN
Nov 16 16:35:10 <[g2]> ktrepte now i'm doing some support for that line and I'm working on a GPS thingy and following the openmoko stuff
Nov 16 16:35:37 <[g2]> ktrepte are you familiar with the OSD ?
Nov 16 16:36:02 <[g2]> http://www.neurosaudio.com/osd/osd.asp
Nov 16 16:36:29 <[g2]> it's built in China and the development team leader is in IRC every week to report status
Nov 16 16:37:18 <ktrepte> g2: Interesting! UPnP-AV? DLNA?
Nov 16 16:37:23 <[g2]> "Meetings with the Chairman" :)
Nov 16 16:38:19 <ktrepte> g2: so far we are cooperating with twoky vision in Germany: A Frauenhofer Spinoff (Top of the Top of the Top of German Scientists ;-I)
Nov 16 16:39:07 <[g2]> ktrepte yeah twonky used the slug (nslu2) very early on
Nov 16 16:40:08 <[g2]> or maybe I'm thinking about the audio portion
Nov 16 16:40:25 <[g2]> HopsNBarley do you know Toroki ?
Nov 16 16:40:41 <ktrepte> you can put twonky on almost any platform!
Nov 16 16:42:53 <ktrepte> g2: so you are tom?
Nov 16 16:43:02 <[g2]> ktrepte nod
Nov 16 16:43:29 <ktrepte> nod?
Nov 16 16:43:38 <[g2]> nod I am tom
Nov 16 16:47:08 <HopsNBarley> [g2], no.
Nov 16 16:49:19 <vmaster> hehehe
Nov 16 16:56:24 <HopsNBarley> [g2], what about toroki?
Nov 16 16:57:46 <ktrepte> hops: not heard so far!
Nov 16 16:58:32 <[g2]> HopsNBarley do you know the company ?
Nov 16 17:00:38 <ktrepte> hops: Checked the HP, but seams to be to basic! Looking for a true linux plattform!
Nov 16 17:01:04 <[g2]> ktrepte I had you for a couple seconds on Skype
Nov 16 17:01:23 * [g2] hears voices and music from 1/4 way around the globe
Nov 16 17:01:32 <[g2]> s/voices/voice/
Nov 16 17:03:50 <vmaster> hehehe
Nov 16 17:04:57 <vmaster> selective recognition is wonderful... "18:26  * [g2] hears voices"
Nov 16 17:05:11 <[g2]> heh
Nov 16 17:06:02 <HopsNBarley> [g2], oh, a company... googling...
Nov 16 17:07:50 <HopsNBarley> [g2], okay, got it.  just down the road a bit here in the valley.
Nov 16 17:08:28 <HopsNBarley> ktrepte, don't understand last comment.
Nov 16 17:14:51 <HopsNBarley> [g2], why do you ask about toroki?
Nov 16 17:15:17 <ktrepte> hops: talking about toropi
Nov 16 17:15:50 <HopsNBarley> ktrepte, that's funny, toroki is an embedded linux consulting company.
Nov 16 17:17:36 <ktrepte> hops: i see!
Nov 16 17:18:20 <HopsNBarley> i found the toropi bikini store, is that what you are talking about?
Nov 16 17:19:24 <[g2]> HopsNBarley toroki is out in CA
Nov 16 17:19:48 <HopsNBarley> yeah,sunnyvale. is that why you ask? 
Nov 16 17:22:27 <ktrepte> sorry guy got to go, Thanks for the chat, see you!
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Nov 16 18:46:04 <NAiL> huh?
Nov 16 19:12:58 <osas> NAiL: so openSLUG/BE is 30% faster than the openSLUG/LE with the Intel's drivers?
Nov 16 19:17:52 <VoodooZ> really? that's a lot of difference!
Nov 16 19:22:26 <osas> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/nslu2-linux/message/16118
Nov 16 20:41:47 <NAiL> osas: I can't remember where I read the numbers, but someone did benchmarks
Nov 16 20:42:29 <osas> so BE is better the LE
Nov 16 20:42:42 <osas> but this will change with the new driver
Nov 16 20:43:21 <osas> I'm using BE and I'm pretty happy with it (running asterisk 24/7 on it)
Nov 16 20:45:11 <NAiL> it *might* change a bit with the new driver
Nov 16 20:45:17 <NAiL> there's no guarantee it will
Nov 16 20:46:08 <NAiL> both LE and BE can saturate the 100mbit link without problems. The difference is visible when the load rises.
Nov 16 20:48:55 <osas> I see
Nov 16 20:49:04 <osas> so I will stick with BE :)
Nov 16 20:51:38 <NAiL> The "problems" with BE is that you might run into portability issues with badly written code, and that debian doesn't run on armeb 
Nov 16 20:51:53 <NAiL> (the unofficial armeb port does, but I don't know status)
Nov 16 20:53:18 <NAiL> My gateway-slug runs BE, bridging a LAN with my AP
Nov 16 20:55:54 <osas> I was thinking about creating a gw using the slug (US network adapter) with openser on it for my voip calls ...
Nov 16 20:56:24 <osas> s/US/USB/
Nov 16 20:56:26 <jbot> osas meant: I was thinking about creating a gw using the slug (USB network adapter) with openser on it for my voip calls ...
Nov 17 00:45:32 <[g2]> HopsNBarley up ?
Nov 17 00:45:39 <HopsNBarley> hey!
Nov 17 00:45:50 <[g2]> did you see the Skype announcement ?
Nov 17 00:46:01 <[g2]> for mobile phone ?
Nov 17 00:46:06 <[g2]> s/phone/phones/
Nov 17 00:46:06 <jbot> [g2] meant: for mobile phones ?
Nov 17 00:46:08 <HopsNBarley> nope.  i'll go look.
Nov 17 01:57:01 <HopsNBarley> rwhitby, i hear pak has been  bugging you  (-;
Nov 17 01:57:24 <rwhitby> HopsNBarley: and I'm bugging him back :-)
Nov 17 01:57:29 <HopsNBarley> nice.
Nov 17 01:59:28 <HopsNBarley> here's a wierd one: i can't mount my disk on the first boot after a flash, but on the subsequent boot no problem. 
Nov 17 01:59:58 <HopsNBarley> lemme reflash and try and repeat that, in the name of Science.
Nov 17 02:11:21 <rwhitby> HopsNBarley: sorry about that, got disconnected
Nov 17 02:11:41 <HopsNBarley> oh, np.  i was talking to myself.
Nov 17 02:12:13 <HopsNBarley> we're getting our storcenter wiki together.
Nov 17 02:12:42 <rwhitby> your hosting it yourself?
Nov 17 02:12:49 <rwhitby> we can provide space for you if you like
Nov 17 02:13:02 <rwhitby> Is this the device we're talking about: http://www.iomega.com/direct/products/detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=28548603&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=31699021&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=26890319&bmUID=1163730902934 ?
Nov 17 02:13:56 <HopsNBarley> and this one: http://www.iomega.com/direct/products/detail.jsp?PRODUCT%3C%3Eprd_id=36890121&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=26891315&ASSORTMENT%3C%3East_id=26890319&bmUID=1163730991068
Nov 17 02:14:12 <HopsNBarley> i like the dual drive!
Nov 17 02:14:23 <HopsNBarley> thanks for the space offer, but we are going to host it ourselves.
Nov 17 02:14:31 <rwhitby> HopsNBarley: no problem
Nov 17 02:14:41 <rwhitby> Do you have internal high-res photos I can look at?
Nov 17 02:14:48 <HopsNBarley> we'd love to put in a base page with some links to our site.  i see that openfsg (?) did that.
Nov 17 02:15:00 <HopsNBarley> they'll be on the wiki.  
Nov 17 02:15:26 <rwhitby> freecom have a vendor-controlled openfsg.com site, where they host a wiki and forums
Nov 17 02:15:40 <HopsNBarley> rwhitby, just let me say how incredibly inspired we were by your work.  thanks.
Nov 17 02:15:55 <rwhitby> we (nslu2-linux), just put a wiki group on our site to summarise and link to theirs rather than duplicate
Nov 17 02:16:05 <rwhitby> HopsNBarley: your welcome.
Nov 17 02:16:20 <HopsNBarley> when we got the serial port working, it was like we were part of a club  (-;
Nov 17 02:16:23 <rwhitby> All we ask in return is to help grow the community :-)
Nov 17 02:17:14 <HopsNBarley> this port should do that.  it's a nice device.  2x the ram of the slug and about 30% faster than the 266 slug.
Nov 17 02:17:50 <rwhitby> oh, and you can always throw a freebie device my way too ;-)
Nov 17 02:18:10 <HopsNBarley> you really want one?  
Nov 17 02:19:27 <rwhitby> sure :-)
Nov 17 02:20:14 <rwhitby> I have 5 spare relays on my new serial-controlled relay box (which I use to reset hung development slugs when I make a mistake in the kernel) - I need to fill them up with *something* !
Nov 17 02:22:35 <HopsNBarley> that's cool.  we used some old X10 device for that to cycle the power on our original MPC board.
Nov 17 02:22:59 <rwhitby> http://www.kitsrus.com/jpg/k108.jpg
Nov 17 02:23:39 <rwhitby> my main development slug now has serial, jtag, and power control, so I can fully control it from anywhere on the net.
Nov 17 02:24:09 <HopsNBarley> jtag too?  very nice.
Nov 17 02:25:31 <rwhitby> yeah, but I don't have TRST and SRST connected (only have a DLC5 clone cable), so I can't use the bleeding edge OpenOCD to debug the IXP42X
Nov 17 02:26:13 <HopsNBarley> you are ahead of where we are  (-;
Nov 17 02:30:23 <rwhitby> HopsNBarley: is the source code for vendor firmware on the Iomega site anywhere?
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