**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 20 02:59:59 2006 Nov 20 08:12:34 good morning Nov 20 08:16:32 morning Nov 20 08:22:28 morning guys Nov 20 08:30:49 morning rwhitby-away Nov 20 08:30:59 morning Nov 20 08:38:26 morning rwhitby-away Nov 20 19:14:35 hii fooks Nov 20 19:14:42 howdy likewise Nov 20 19:14:44 s/hii/hi Nov 20 19:14:50 hey there! Nov 20 19:15:27 HopsNBarley: have you looked at (dev) boards for the MPC8343? Nov 20 19:15:37 got some timings on my storcenter... it goes wirespeed on my 100Mb hub w/http. don't have a gigabit one yet )-; Nov 20 19:15:49 ok nice Nov 20 19:15:53 I've got an MPC 8349 board, big brother. Nov 20 19:16:08 which one, and how many $$$? Nov 20 19:16:13 ...or was it the 8347? haven't used it in a while. Nov 20 19:16:29 we got it from freescale. as i recall, it was around $1500. Nov 20 19:16:54 but why do you use the storcenter then? I thought you were looking for a 'close' match to your future product? Nov 20 19:17:10 * likewise is checking freescale site Nov 20 19:17:15 they are both 603e core. Nov 20 19:17:45 and we haven't yet found a commodity 834x product at a low enough price point. Nov 20 19:18:37 ASP8347DB maybe? Nov 20 19:23:01 the rattler board looks nice, but i can't find a price yet... Nov 20 19:24:45 wow - E631. a bit much for a file server (-; Nov 20 19:34:50 HopsNBarley|eat: yes, I think the rattler board (both the 83xx and 85xx) can plug into a motherboard. Nov 20 19:35:44 likewise, yeah, same as the MPC8349 i have. Nov 20 19:39:20 HopsNBarley|eat: What model storcenter did you have again? (sorry, lost the little notes on my desk...) Nov 20 19:49:06 03nail * r4507 10optware/trunk/sources/buildroot/ (3 files): buildroot: Add missing files for TS-101 Nov 20 20:29:25 likewise, it's the "network disk 250G" Nov 20 20:34:52 NAiL: so.. how is your new nas performing when compared to the nslu2? Nov 20 20:58:17 dwery, got a sec? Nov 20 20:58:29 HopsNBarley: sure! Nov 20 20:59:31 thanks. as i think we chatted before, i'd like to move up my kernel release, but only have those 2.6.12 patches. can you suggest a method? any tips or tricks or doc pointers appreciated. Nov 20 21:00:05 I can suggest to reduce the patchset to the minimum required, thus removing the drivers Nov 20 21:00:20 and then trying with kernel version x+1 Nov 20 21:00:36 okay, so in this case that includes the rtl8169 ethernet and RTC, okay to remove those? Nov 20 21:00:48 sure, they are not required for a proper boot Nov 20 21:00:58 you should first test your reduced oatchset with .12 Nov 20 21:01:05 wasn't sure about the rtc. thanks. Nov 20 21:01:15 good pointer. then just x++, eh? Nov 20 21:01:22 yes! Nov 20 21:01:47 you will probably have compilation problems at some point, because some routines have been changed Nov 20 21:01:57 but since we have been there before with the ixp4xx Nov 20 21:02:03 we might all be helpful. Nov 20 21:02:33 dwery: it's very nice ;) Nov 20 21:02:37 I haven't benchmarked it yet Nov 20 21:02:42 great. and, there are also number other "family members" in the freescale 8[235]xx series i can look to for hints. Nov 20 21:02:45 if your rtc is supported by the new class subsystem you don't even have to forward-port the patch Nov 20 21:03:30 HopsNBarley: are you planning to do it now? Nov 20 21:04:11 not NOW, but soon, i'll probably start once thankgiving holiday has passed. Nov 20 21:04:20 the rtc is a dallas 1337, btw. Nov 20 21:05:51 1337...mm probably not (yet) supported.. I'll have to check Nov 20 21:06:09 if the registers are compatible with 1307 we have a driver Nov 20 21:06:19 otherwise I'll write one :) Nov 20 21:06:19 cool. Nov 20 21:06:41 nice: do you prefer borolo or barbaresco? (-; Nov 20 21:06:53 barolo, thanks :p Nov 20 21:07:42 in just a few kernel releases the rtc subsyste, reached more than 15 drivers... i wouldn't be surprised to see a 1337 one coming :) Nov 20 21:08:26 there were 20 drivers in .18-rc6 Nov 20 21:09:12 * NAiL goes to be Nov 20 21:09:12 s/be/bed Nov 20 21:09:12 nite Nov 20 21:09:15 nite Nov 20 21:10:03 dwery, an abstraction layer was added for RTC? Nov 20 21:10:25 yes Nov 20 21:10:28 actually, I added it :) Nov 20 21:11:04 nice! i'm looking forward to getting my hands dirty in the kernel. Nov 20 21:17:52 nite Nov 20 22:21:10 NAiL, thanks for coming to our rescue on the list (-; Nov 20 22:35:30 HopsNBarley: ping Nov 20 22:35:42 rwhitby, pong. Nov 20 22:35:48 nice web site Nov 20 22:36:14 rwhitby, thanks! i think we are past the tech. difficulties. we made some amateur mistakes in our first outing with tikiwiki. Nov 20 22:36:15 I'd like to put a wiki-group up on nslu2-linux - on the right hand side with the FSG-3, NAS100d, etc. Nov 20 22:36:35 Is "StorCenter" the right word to use? Nov 20 22:36:48 that's the name of the iomega product. Nov 20 22:37:04 right - those pages reference the hardware target Nov 20 22:37:08 did you find the pictures you were after? They are there now. Nov 20 22:37:26 yep Nov 20 22:37:40 is pak on IRC ? Nov 20 22:38:03 yeah, as pak (he of little imagination :-) Nov 20 22:38:12 i finally talked him into it yesterday. Nov 20 22:38:15 pak: hi Nov 20 22:38:32 i don't think he is at the computer at the moment. Nov 20 22:38:42 pak: sorry about the spam accusation on the mailing list - I should have briefed the list before your message Nov 20 22:38:48 thanks for coming to our rescue on the list. Nov 20 22:38:59 no worries. Nov 20 22:39:26 03bzhou * r4508 10optware/trunk/Makefile: Makefile: fixed a typo of ts101 OPTWARE_TARGET test Nov 20 22:41:11 HopsNBarley, pak: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/StorCenter/HomePage <- feel free to put an overview there, including direct links to pictures and hardware description, and also state your goals as far as community interaction with nslu2-linux goes. Nov 20 22:42:07 awesome. i'm working on an article now for the site on the size of the embedded developer community. Nov 20 22:42:42 HopsNBarley: have you seen www.nslu2-linux.org/presentation.pdf ? Nov 20 22:51:29 rwhitby: I surely like the use of the meritocracy statement in there. Nov 20 22:52:18 <[g2]> HopsNBarley the embedded developer community is easily > 10-20K ppl Nov 20 22:52:31 signing off, bed time for me. Nov 20 22:52:37 night likewise Nov 20 22:52:37 <[g2]> sweet dreams Nov 20 22:52:37 [g2]: hi, cu later Nov 20 22:52:40 tnx Nov 20 22:53:06 have a nice evening Nov 20 22:54:11 HopsNBarley: I have a serious reservation about the current state of OpenProtium Nov 20 22:54:30 You have binary firmware available for download, but no source. Nov 20 22:54:51 I know the source is coming, but really the source *must* come before (or at the same time) as the binary. Nov 20 22:55:08 Do you have a tarball you can put somewhere? Nov 20 22:56:21 nice presentation. Nov 20 23:17:15 * rwhitby is discussing in private with HopsNBarley about how to arrange for source availability in the interim period while OpenProtium is merged back into OE .dev monotone repo ... Nov 20 23:27:17 we asked for a key a week ago (-; Nov 20 23:28:14 yeah, that's my fault :-) Nov 20 23:31:03 we'll pull the download for now, until i can get either a tarball together, or get patches upstream, or some combo of both. Nov 20 23:31:56 i'm hoping we can work together on some next-gen slugos that is a bit less slug dependent. Nov 20 23:32:11 HopsNBarley: see #oe :-) Nov 20 23:33:44 HopsNBarley: thanks for taking the issue of source availability seriously. Nov 20 23:35:38 rwhitby, absolutely. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 21 03:00:02 2006