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Mar 15 06:36:06 <rwhitby> current slugos builds are broken.
Mar 15 06:36:28 <rwhitby> (kernel doesn't find fis directory)
Mar 15 06:36:39 <rwhitby> due to a regression in our kernel svn repo patches.
Mar 15 14:45:36 <CIA-6> 03osas * r5781 10optware/trunk/ (platforms/packages-mss.mk sources/openser/usrloc.patch): openser: re-enable mss platform
Mar 15 15:09:02 <rwhitby> note that autobuilders are currently turned off while we rebuild slugos due to an upstream OE packaging problem which has poisoned our feeds.
Mar 15 15:21:28 <osas> I see
Mar 15 15:21:34 <osas> thx for the update
Mar 15 15:46:06 <NAiL> ~nslu2-rules
Mar 15 15:46:14 <NAiL> ~rules
Mar 15 15:46:15 <jbot> hmm... nslu2-rules is Short Edition: 1.) Use EraseAll, you're screwed. 2.) Search the wiki 1ST! 3.) Follow the README or else. 4.) If you ask, you'd better update wiki. 5.) Complain? Update the wiki 6.) Don't flash custom f/w w/o Redboot access. 7) Don't flash bootloaders w/o JTAG.
Mar 15 15:46:18 * jbot makes the rules.  now stfu and code mode addons.
Mar 15 15:56:34 <Laffez> \join #nslu2-general
Mar 15 15:57:53 <NAiL> nesten :P
Mar 15 15:58:10 <Laffez> :p
Mar 15 15:58:12 <Laffez> Norsk?
Mar 15 15:58:25 <NAiL> jupp
Mar 15 15:58:46 <Laffez> Konge! Har du peiling? Prøver å integrere webdav på apache serveren min
Mar 15 15:58:51 <Laffez> Er semigrønn på linux
Mar 15 15:58:55 <Laffez> Har lagt inn make
Mar 15 15:59:15 <Laffez> men den klager på at den ikke finner noen brukbar "cc" noe jeg antar er c kompilator...
Mar 15 15:59:57 <NAiL> vi tar det på engelsk ;)
Mar 15 16:00:12 <NAiL> what distro are you running?
Mar 15 16:01:34 <Laffez> I am running Unslung 6.8 beta
Mar 15 16:01:45 <NAiL> hmm
Mar 15 16:01:46 <Laffez> With the latest apache+php+mysql
Mar 15 16:01:59 <Laffez> And I want to add a module to my apache setup
Mar 15 16:02:08 <Laffez> But the module has to be compiled in order to work
Mar 15 16:02:16 <NAiL> I've never touched unslung. But does "ipkg list|grep gcc" say anything? If you're missing a cc, gcc should be the one.
Mar 15 16:02:41 <Laffez> It says libgcc
Mar 15 16:02:57 <NAiL> btw, you wouldn't happen to know where people from omega verksted hangs out on irc? I seem to remember they had an irc channel somewhere.
Mar 15 16:03:29 <Laffez> I aint sure, but I study electronics so I can ask them tomorrow :)
Mar 15 16:04:08 <NAiL> ok, do you know if the uni (or anyone there) happens to have equipment to flash flashchips in circuit too? ;)
Mar 15 16:04:21 * NAiL is rather close to gløs
Mar 15 16:04:30 <Laffez> I have no idea!
Mar 15 16:04:39 <Laffez> http://www.omegav.ntnu.no/kontakt.html
Mar 15 16:04:39 <NAiL> ok ;)
Mar 15 16:05:06 <Laffez> So did you study there yourself? Where do you work now?
Mar 15 16:05:27 <NAiL> no, I haven't studied there unfortunately
Mar 15 16:05:35 <Laffez> But, regarding my issue, libgcc will do the trick?
Mar 15 16:05:41 <NAiL> libgcc won't cut it
Mar 15 16:05:45 <Laffez> Ok, so how did you know about the verksted?
Mar 15 16:06:03 <Laffez> ok, so there is no "cc" 's available?
Mar 15 16:06:08 <NAiL> a friend pointed me in that direction when we were discussing AVR
Mar 15 16:06:14 <Laffez> ahh
Mar 15 16:06:15 <NAiL> I'm checking, hang on ;)
Mar 15 16:06:15 <Laffez> ok
Mar 15 16:06:50 <Laffez> I actually worked for Atmel in Trondheim two and three summers ago in the IC departement
Mar 15 16:07:08 <NAiL> oh
Mar 15 16:07:18 <NAiL> a friend of me was there last year I think
Mar 15 16:07:36 <NAiL> btw, try installing crosstool-native. I think it's got what you need to compile.
Mar 15 16:08:15 <Laffez> Hope this works
Mar 15 16:08:25 <Laffez> I want to use my slug for my calendars
Mar 15 16:09:10 <NAiL> ah
Mar 15 16:09:41 <NAiL> I visited the workshop to upgrade the ram on one of my slugs actually
Mar 15 16:09:46 <NAiL> so I've been there ;)
Mar 15 16:10:02 <NAiL> (And I really should get that darn avr board if they've still got any)
Mar 15 16:10:25 <Laffez> Cool!
Mar 15 16:10:48 <Laffez> But i just read the wiki conserning crosstool-native: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Crosstool-native
Mar 15 16:11:22 <Laffez> Does this consern me? I have a 4 gb flashpen but I dont know how this affects the config partitition
Mar 15 16:11:22 <joshin> NAiL: how fat are your slugs?
Mar 15 16:12:01 <NAiL> joshin: not at all. I killed the bugger.
Mar 15 16:12:22 <joshin> Oops...  That's what I'm afraid of doing.  :D
Mar 15 16:12:26 <NAiL> Laffez: I'm not sure, but following the instructions shouldn't hurt ;)
Mar 15 16:13:27 <Laffez> Ok but I only have flash, does this mean that i have to replace "hdd" with flash? The flash is in port 2
Mar 15 16:15:25 <Laffez> Both of the directories i.e. /share/flash/conf and /share/hdd/conf exists...
Mar 15 16:15:48 <NAiL> Not entirely sure since I'm unfamiliar with unslung
Mar 15 16:16:18 <NAiL> bbiaw, going to ica for food :-P
Mar 15 16:16:29 <Laffez> ok, thanx for all your help!
Mar 15 16:17:01 <NAiL> np
Mar 15 16:17:33 <NAiL> Really hoping the workshop can help me repair one of my devices ;)
Mar 15 16:42:31 <NAiL> Laffez: any luck?
Mar 15 16:59:36 <Laffez> Hi again
Mar 15 16:59:45 <Laffez> Now the gcc part works
Mar 15 17:00:04 <Laffez> But I am trying to use APXS to avoid rebuilding the whole apache thing
Mar 15 17:00:19 <Laffez> Now i get the message "apxs is broken"
Mar 15 17:01:03 <Laffez> Now the guide i am using for webdav: http://www.webdav.org/mod_dav/install.html#apxs tells me to look in the php faq
Mar 15 17:01:20 <NAiL> what do you get when you try to run apxs manuall?
Mar 15 17:01:23 <NAiL> manually?
Mar 15 17:01:27 <NAiL> do you have perl installed?
Mar 15 17:01:30 <Laffez> Nop
Mar 15 17:01:41 <Laffez> Sorry i really am a rookie haha
Mar 15 17:01:44 <Laffez> Ill install it now
Mar 15 17:07:31 <Laffez> Damn! Now the slug got slower, but the /.configure goes a little bit further...
Mar 15 17:07:34 <NAiL> we all gotta start somewhere ;)
Mar 15 17:07:54 <Laffez> Now it stops at "apxs:Error: /home/slug/optware/nslu2/staging/opt/bin/apr-1-config not found!."
Mar 15 17:09:16 <Laffez> Do I need even more packages?
Mar 15 17:09:21 <Laffez> Some config package?
Mar 15 17:09:21 <NAiL> looking
Mar 15 17:10:27 <NAiL> Not sure. In cases like this, http://ipkgfind.nslu2-linux.org/ can help you figure out which package contains that file
Mar 15 17:10:33 <NAiL> (if it exists in the feed)
Mar 15 17:10:46 <NAiL> but it didn't find that file
Mar 15 17:11:12 <NAiL> try asking the same question in #nslu2-general, and see if anyone there knows the answer
Mar 15 17:11:18 <Laffez> ok
Mar 15 17:11:26 <NAiL> I'm not familiar with how the apache stuff works
Mar 15 17:13:12 <Laffez> Thanx so much anyway!
Mar 15 18:59:10 <osas> are there any plans to bring the autobuild up?
Mar 15 19:01:09 <NAiL> sooner or later, yes. Are you depending on it to be completely up-to-date?
Mar 15 19:03:53 <Laffez> Hi again! I didnt get much response at nslu2-general
Mar 15 19:04:18 <osas> I need to verify a build bug fix that was provided by openser
Mar 15 19:04:24 <osas> It can wait
Mar 15 19:04:28 <osas> thx
Mar 15 19:05:20 <Laffez> Now, I found out what the problem was. The apache system didnt have a apxs package system. Now there is a description at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Optware/Apache under developter notes, but I dont understand the staging area bit...
Mar 15 19:19:28 <NAiL> Laffez: try "which apr-config"
Mar 15 19:21:20 <Laffez> which?
Mar 15 19:21:33 <NAiL> run "which apr-config" on the slug
Mar 15 19:21:42 <NAiL> see if it returns anything
Mar 15 19:21:46 <Laffez> It cant find which...
Mar 15 19:21:49 <NAiL> oh
Mar 15 19:21:58 <Laffez> No such file or directory
Mar 15 19:22:08 <Laffez> Need more packages eh?
Mar 15 19:22:20 <NAiL> not necessarily
Mar 15 19:22:40 <Laffez> from which directory should I run the command+
Mar 15 19:22:41 <Laffez> ?
Mar 15 19:22:47 <NAiL> that doesn't matter... 
Mar 15 19:23:08 <NAiL> but axps (or something else) is using a path from the build host
Mar 15 19:23:13 <NAiL> apxs
Mar 15 19:23:22 <Laffez> ok
Mar 15 19:23:36 <Laffez> And this path should rather be to the stagin area?
Mar 15 19:24:20 <NAiL> that path should be the path to apr-config, which appears not to be available on the nslu2
Mar 15 19:24:34 <NAiL> s/the nslu2/optware/
Mar 15 19:24:34 <jbot> NAiL meant: that path should be the path to apr-config, which appears not to be available on optware
Mar 15 19:25:15 <Laffez> ok
Mar 15 19:25:31 <Laffez> So but where and how can I do this staging?
Mar 15 19:25:56 <NAiL> Unless you know a lot about crosscompiling, it's going to take a long time
Mar 15 19:26:07 <Laffez> ok :)
Mar 15 19:26:15 <Laffez> Then I finally give ut
Mar 15 19:26:16 <Laffez> up
Mar 15 19:26:26 <NAiL> Have you asked on the mailinglist?
Mar 15 19:27:04 <Laffez> No, not yet. I sent an email to josh something who wrote the developers notes
Mar 15 19:27:12 <NAiL> mmhm
Mar 15 19:27:17 <Laffez> Perhaps I will post webdav in the wishlist?
Mar 15 19:27:42 <NAiL> make sure to copy the path in the errormessage, and to mention that apr-1-config is not available in any packages ;-)
Mar 15 19:27:45 <Laffez> I mean, it's only a module for apache, so the right people should be able to fix it really fast.
Mar 15 19:28:00 <Laffez> I did ;)
Mar 15 19:28:06 <NAiL> ah
Mar 15 19:29:16 <NAiL> I'm sure the problem can be solved. I'm just not the one that can do it ;)
Mar 15 19:29:42 <Laffez> Thank you so much for your help. If you ever find out who to ask, let me know :)
Mar 15 19:29:55 <Laffez> I also posted a question on the optware/apache page...
Mar 15 19:30:03 <Laffez> So hopefully i get some response...
Mar 15 22:46:58 <mickeyl> good evening
Mar 15 22:47:22 <mickeyl> guys, what is the most powerful NAS one can buy that runs nslu2-linux?
Mar 15 22:47:38 <rwhitby> hey mickeyl 
Mar 15 22:48:23 <mickeyl> i need a new NAS, something huge. I'm not decided yet whether I just buy a small x86 machine running a "standard" debian or a powerful "embedded" NAS
Mar 15 22:49:04 <mickeyl> it should server NFS, SAMBA, but also cvs, svn, and some more services
Mar 15 22:49:08 <mickeyl> s/server/serve/
Mar 15 22:49:09 <jbot> mickeyl meant: it should serve NFS, SAMBA, but also cvs, svn, and some more services
Mar 15 22:49:23 <mickeyl> my slug is slowly getting too slow to handle all that
Mar 15 22:50:03 <rwhitby> mickeyl: does it have to be ARM based?
Mar 15 22:50:09 <rwhitby> HopsNBarley: ping
Mar 15 22:50:19 <mickeyl> rwhitby: not necessary
Mar 15 22:51:16 <rwhitby> HopsNBarley has a business that deals in exactly your problem.  He determines the best performance/price in the NAS market, and then runs OpenProtium (based on SlugOS) on it.
Mar 15 22:51:39 <mickeyl> sounds good
Mar 15 22:52:06 <rwhitby> my initial thoughts would be the thecus n2100.  if you want to run debian it's already done.  NAiL is working on getting foonas (also based on OE) running on it.
Mar 15 22:52:26 <mickeyl> thecus n2100... i heard about that
Mar 15 22:52:28 * mickeyl googles again
Mar 15 22:52:31 <osas> rwhitby: any words on the autobuilder?
Mar 15 22:52:37 <rwhitby> mickeyl: http://www.debonaras.org/wiki/Info/HomePage
Mar 15 22:53:01 <rwhitby> osas: it finished slugosle, and is trundling through slugosbe.  when it's done that I will turn the autobuilder back on again.
Mar 15 22:53:11 <osas> k
Mar 15 22:54:07 <mickeyl> rwhitby: thanks, that's helpful
Mar 15 22:55:14 <rwhitby> for slug-like cpu performance, but better network and stuff, NAiL swears by the qnap ts101, but it sounds like you're looking for higher application performance and more memory than that.
Mar 15 22:55:26 <rwhitby> HopsNBarley works a lot with the IOMega StorCenter boxes
Mar 15 22:56:42 <CoreDump|home> hi
Mar 15 23:13:47 <rwhitby> slugosle feeds uploading now
Mar 15 23:14:07 <NAiL> mickeyl: The n2100 is really nice. Especially since it can have 512mb ddr400 ram ;)
Mar 15 23:14:35 <mickeyl> I've read that there are problems with the fan?
Mar 15 23:14:42 <mickeyl> and how about shutting drives down when idle?
Mar 15 23:14:52 <mickeyl> this is something i really like to have
Mar 15 23:15:00 <NAiL> hmm, tbm should know more about that
Mar 15 23:15:04 <mickeyl> never managed to make it working w/ my slug
Mar 15 23:15:48 <rwhitby> yeah, spin down over usb depends on the usb->ide chipset
Mar 15 23:16:04 <NAiL> I haven't worried about the fan quite yet, and disk spindown I don't want
Mar 15 23:16:05 <rwhitby> when the ide/sata chip is on pci it's much easier.
Mar 15 23:16:34 <NAiL> I replaced the fan with a silent one, so mine isn't as noisy
Mar 15 23:16:40 <mickeyl> how's the drive connected at the 2100? 
Mar 15 23:17:19 <NAiL> s-ata
Mar 15 23:17:25 <mickeyl> good
Mar 15 23:17:35 <NAiL> there's a cage inside that you put the disks in
Mar 15 23:17:41 <NAiL> there's space for a minipci card
Mar 15 23:18:26 <NAiL> and 600mhz doesn't hurt :-P
Mar 15 23:19:32 <NAiL> There's a guy working on sensors, and afaik that includes the fan
Mar 15 23:19:38 <mickeyl> sounds really good
Mar 15 23:19:43 <mickeyl> 300 EUR or something?
Mar 15 23:20:00 <NAiL> dunno the price outside .no. Here it's *expensive*
Mar 15 23:20:45 <mickeyl> hmm the 5200 looks nice :)
Mar 15 23:20:55 <rwhitby> AUD$425 here (without disks)
Mar 15 23:21:18 <mickeyl> 538 EUR w/ 800GB. that sounds reasonable to me
Mar 15 23:22:12 <rwhitby> you sure it come with disks?
Mar 15 23:22:17 <NAiL> Not entirely sure what the hardware in the n5200 is though
Mar 15 23:22:27 <mickeyl> no, that was a price for a 2100
Mar 15 23:22:35 <NAiL> ah
Mar 15 23:22:36 <mickeyl> the 5200 is over 1000 EUR naked
Mar 15 23:22:43 <mickeyl> i don't need that much power
Mar 15 23:22:45 <NAiL> damn, that's expensive
Mar 15 23:22:50 <mickeyl> the 2100 seems right ok
Mar 15 23:23:05 <mickeyl> loaded w/ two 400GB for about 500 EUR should keep me satisfied for a while
Mar 15 23:23:15 * mickeyl notes to order next month
Mar 15 23:23:25 <pierrelux> you don't know what's in it ? x86, arm ?
Mar 15 23:23:34 <mickeyl> the 5200 is x86
Mar 15 23:23:43 <mickeyl> celeron mobile
Mar 15 23:24:00 <rwhitby> pierrelux: n2100: http://www.debonaras.org/wiki/Info/ThecusN2100Internals
Mar 15 23:24:06 <pierrelux> not as embedded as the slug though
Mar 15 23:25:55 <rwhitby> slugosle feed upload is up to 'k'
Mar 15 23:32:10 <mickeyl> thanks guys
Mar 15 23:32:11 <mickeyl> g'night
Mar 15 23:32:13 <NAiL> mickeyl: will you be running debian or a nice shiny oe-dirstro?
Mar 15 23:32:21 <NAiL> "distro"
Mar 15 23:32:24 <mickeyl> not sure yet
Mar 15 23:32:30 <NAiL> ok :)
Mar 15 23:32:31 <NAiL> nite
Mar 15 23:32:35 <mickeyl> :)
Mar 16 00:13:49 <rwhitby> slugosle feeds are fully synced now
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