**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 07 02:59:56 2007 May 07 04:31:10 03bzhou * r6023 10optware/trunk/ (make/php.mk sources/php/zend_strtod.patch): php: 5.2.0 -> 5.2.2 May 07 06:48:57 joshin: ping? May 07 10:51:39 wb May 07 15:28:10 03bzhou * r6024 10optware/trunk/make/eaccelerator.mk: eaccelerator: 0.9.5 -> 0.9.5.1 May 07 17:39:03 03bzhou * r6025 10optware/trunk/make/imagemagick.mk: imagemagick: 6.3.2-1 -> 6.3.4-0 May 07 18:43:18 03blaster8 * r828 10kernel/trunk/patches/2.6.21/ (8 files): Fix timer frequency with a board-specific timer function on NSLU2/DSM-G600 May 07 19:18:54 03blaster8 * r829 10kernel/trunk/patches/2.6.21/ (4 files): Update dflt-cmdline patches, minor cleanup to freq-fixup patch May 07 20:31:06 03oleo * r6026 10optware/trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): ivorbis-tools: add endian check to oggdec May 07 21:24:07 nice commit ;) May 07 21:40:08 Yahoo-groups suck. May 07 21:46:03 very much so May 07 21:50:21 If I'm not the only one here, why can't we move the ml somewhere else? Or set up our own. May 07 21:50:39 I have suggested it earlier May 07 21:50:43 and I think it's a good idea May 07 21:51:21 ka6sox: ping? What was the reason we didn't set up a mailinglist on nslu2-linux instead of yahoo? May 07 21:51:24 x10...its a nightmate to manage May 07 21:51:27 aha May 07 21:51:50 Doe google too require registration to participate in google groups? May 07 21:52:15 probably not... May 07 21:52:21 might be a better choice. May 07 21:52:31 but the history might be lost. May 07 21:52:31 ka6sox: what kind of maintenance? Isn't most of the work the setup? May 07 21:52:40 ka6sox: Would you look at it, or should I? May 07 21:53:29 x10 let me. May 07 21:53:31 ka6sox: there is a history at gmane.org. Actually a much better interface to the ml, than the yahoo groups. May 07 21:55:03 3 easy steps to creating a google group. May 07 21:55:24 but before I just do that I need to talk to some people. May 07 21:56:20 ka6sox: First make sure one can subscribe to google groups without a gmail account. May 07 21:56:30 I'm sure that you can. May 07 22:10:01 anyboedy seen a model 200 out in the wild? May 07 22:10:22 model 200? May 07 22:11:46 linksys 200 May 07 22:13:04 Nope. I'm waiting eagerly. May 07 22:13:53 anybody heard what Proc it is? May 07 22:14:03 re May 07 22:17:28 ka6sox: Seems like you actually need to have a google accout to subscribe to a group, but you can read the group archive without it. May 07 22:18:05 that won't work then. May 07 22:18:26 I'm not going to try to administer Mailman. May 07 22:31:57 ka6sox: Did you try? Maybe it is not that hard after all. There are lots of projects smaller than nslu2-linux with their own mailing lists. May 07 22:32:52 you have said the magic words..."smaller" May 07 22:33:27 I gave up running a mail server because of all the SPAMMERS I had to deal with. May 07 22:33:34 And of course lots of much bigger projects. ;) May 07 22:33:39 and being on a blacklist every other week. May 07 22:34:37 ka6sox: The problem with spammers goes away if only the subscribed users may post. May 07 22:35:14 managing those isn't always easy...I just got spammed on Skype yesterday...I had to shut my account. May 07 22:39:25 joshin : ping? May 07 22:40:16 ka6sox: Maybe you could adk the vger.kernel.org admins for a new list? Ot stick to some other project. May 07 22:41:03 are you volunteering to administer the list? May 07 22:43:24 What are the tasks? With a subscribers-post-only list, this should not be a hard task, if you flush the moderation queue to /dev/null. May 07 22:44:10 we actually have to approve messages (and we do) May 07 22:44:23 some look like spam but are not) May 07 22:44:38 flushing the moderation queue isn't an option. May 07 22:46:28 Why not, if you notify people that they have to subscribe to post, why shoudl they post valid messages without subscribing? In the jahoo groups case, they have to register, even to read the messages. May 07 22:46:50 *yahoo. May 07 22:47:04 because there are paid professional people who's job it is to subscribe to MLs May 07 22:47:12 spambots have no problems subscribing either May 07 22:47:53 since there isn't any heuristic thing with a ML (that is subscribed to without a webpage interface) May 07 22:54:14 But how do the others manage their mls without yahoo's help? I've never seen much spam in any subscribers-only ml, and it's impossible that all the messages come through some guy before landing on the list. May 07 22:55:25 I see spam on the Debian MLs that I subscribe to. May 07 22:55:58 the reason they are relatively clean is that admins scour the ML all the time and kill spam and ban users. May 07 22:55:59 I believe Debian lists accept mail from non-subscribers. May 07 22:56:09 it takes a LOT of work to manage one. May 07 22:56:25 we currently have 8238 people subscribed to the ML. May 07 22:56:47 I just approved 3 messages that were pending. May 07 23:00:28 we average about 500 messages a month (which isn't too bad) but that represents over 40k messages a month. May 07 23:00:55 thats 500 posts a month with 40k emails. May 07 23:11:26 ka6sox: Ok, let's look at a project with comparable traffic, say mplayer. Just checked, mplayer-users got 600 messages in April, and i see not a single spam message, so maybe the professional-list-subscribing-people and spam-bots are not really such a big problem for a subscribers-only list, because I'm sure they don't check every message manually, they could not have the resources. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue May 08 02:59:57 2007