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Feb 28 11:14:09 <CIA-22> 03dyoung * r7883 10optware/trunk/platforms/packages-ts72xx.mk: up to date package list
Feb 28 13:18:21 <^aristotle> hi
Feb 28 13:19:12 <^aristotle> do I need to have any partition on some usb storage device already set up before I install openwrt?
Feb 28 13:19:45 <rwhitby> no,openwrt is purely flash-based
Feb 28 13:20:52 <^aristotle> OK; that was my understanding, but 15 minutes of searching the web didn't bring up any page that describes what happens after you're done flashing but before you start configuring
Feb 28 13:21:07 <^aristotle> hence the silly question :)
Feb 28 13:22:33 <^aristotle> and of course I asked in the wrong channel, woops. sorry
Feb 28 15:07:06 <aadamson> rwhitby: so did you get an answer about where directfb went, the slugosbe-packages aren't buildable at the moment as it seems to be missing?
Feb 28 15:55:20 <osas> aadamson, directfb was never built for slugos
Feb 28 15:58:59 <osas> I am building it now and if everything looks ok, I will upload it into the feeds
Feb 28 16:09:56 <osas> aadamson, I have the package built for slugosbe-4.8
Feb 28 16:10:13 <osas> please contact me so I can e-mail you the package for testing
Feb 28 17:17:36 <CIA-22> 03bzhou * r7884 10optware/trunk/make/nload.mk: nload: 0.6.0 -> 0.7.1
Feb 28 18:55:37 <CIA-22> 03bzhou * r7885 10optware/trunk/make/cups.mk: cups: 1.3.5 -> 1.3.6 for platforms with OE toolchain
Feb 28 20:02:42 <chemist> I am trying to compile a debian kernel using the guide on the wiki (Debian/BuildImage) when I enter make ARCH=arm menuconfig
Feb 28 20:03:38 <chemist> i get this error http://pastebin.ca/922406
Feb 28 20:05:03 <ka6sox-laptop> do you have libncurse-dev installed on your system?
Feb 28 20:05:21 <ka6sox-laptop> s/libncurse/libncurses
Feb 28 20:05:22 <ka6sox-laptop> ?
Feb 28 20:05:58 <chemist> I do now
Feb 28 20:06:30 <chemist> thanks, such a noob:)
Feb 28 20:07:46 <ka6sox-laptop> np
Feb 28 20:56:21 <chemist> I have followed the instructions to build a debian image to the letter, but it wont build
Feb 28 20:57:04 <chemist> this is the kernel-build.log http://pastebin.ca/922490
Feb 28 20:57:55 <ka6sox-laptop> it doesnt look like you have the cross compiler installed
Feb 28 20:58:29 <chemist> I used rwhitby's makefile, does that not install it?
Feb 28 20:59:21 <ka6sox-laptop> not automatically...did you install the kernel developer stuffs?
Feb 28 20:59:48 <chemist> I thought i installed it all, I will double-check
Feb 28 20:59:55 <ka6sox-laptop> k
Feb 28 21:47:59 <x29a> rwhitby: hey, are you around, i noticed you updated the iomega 100d pages, do you have a properly running iomega 100d and could you lead me the right way?
Feb 28 21:49:42 <ka6sox-laptop> x29a, I'm playing with those too...bbiaf..headed into office
Feb 28 21:50:15 <x29a> ka6sox-laptop/ka6sox-work: sweet, just gimme a highlight when youre around
Feb 28 21:53:34 <ka6sox-laptop> x29a, will do
Feb 28 21:53:52 <x29a> thanks a lot, any discussion will cheer me up, im desperate
Feb 28 22:11:00 <CIA-22> 03oleo * r7886 10optware/trunk/make/transmission.mk: transmission: 1.05->1.06+5170
Feb 28 22:37:10 <chemist> i am trying to build a cross-compiler following http://wiki.debian.org/BuildingCrossCompilers
Feb 28 22:37:13 <chemist> but after entering sudo dpkg -i binutils-$ARCH-linux-gnu_VERSION_HOSTARCH.deb
Feb 28 22:37:21 <chemist> i get this error http://pastebin.ca/922642
Feb 28 22:37:23 <ka6sox-work> hi
Feb 28 22:37:36 <chemist> hello
Feb 28 22:39:36 <ka6sox-work> I don't know about that verison..if you are using the debian wiki to do this I can't help you...I'm used to the way I've done it on the nslu2-linux.org site
Feb 28 22:39:57 <ka6sox-work> x29a you still about?
Feb 28 22:40:34 <chemist> the nslu2-linux.org site linked to that, that's why I followed it
Feb 28 22:40:51 <chemist> any advice you can offer will be greatly appreciated
Feb 28 22:43:45 <x29a> ka6sox-work: ya
Feb 28 22:44:35 <x29a> ka6sox-work: just discoverred the original 3.8 firmware from iomega, im givin it a try, but linux with full access would still be nicer. first of all, whats the status with the project?
Feb 28 22:45:08 <ka6sox-work> I"m using SlugOS 4.9alpha currently but 4.8beta is the current "released" version
Feb 28 22:45:16 <ka6sox-work> (of slugOS)
Feb 28 22:45:23 <x29a> and are you happy?
Feb 28 22:45:27 <ka6sox-work> very
Feb 28 22:45:58 <ka6sox-work> since we have a slugos(le,be) optware feed too that makes it doubly nice
Feb 28 22:46:01 <x29a> wotcha doing with it? ssh access? own applications? wireless ap? and how did you install it?
Feb 28 22:46:27 <ka6sox-work> I use mine to take pictures thru a telescope and control the position of the telescope with it.
Feb 28 22:46:42 <x29a> i want to use mine as wireless ap and storage but the lack of rights on shares is a big handicap right now
Feb 28 22:47:11 <ka6sox-work> I've always been happy with SlugOS for my needs.
Feb 28 22:47:40 <ka6sox-work> if you want there is an EABI distro called Angstrom that there will be feeds for optware there too.
Feb 28 22:47:43 <x29a> does it support the device fully? any disadvantages so far? speed/performance? reliability?
Feb 28 22:48:16 <ka6sox-work> I'm now able (as of 2.6.24 kernels) to use CF in place of the HD.
Feb 28 22:48:19 <x29a> ya im kinda familiar with angstrom, but not with installing/building for the 100d
Feb 28 22:48:37 <ka6sox-work> its in the feeds on slug-firmware.net
Feb 28 22:48:45 <ka6sox-work> but you will need console access.
Feb 28 22:49:05 <x29a> on serial?
Feb 28 22:49:21 <x29a> ya i looked at the pictures but the ones mentioned dont really show the pins
Feb 28 22:49:47 <ka6sox-work> what, my pictures ain't any good? <g>
Feb 28 22:50:08 <x29a> gimme a link
Feb 28 22:51:00 <x29a> uh sweet
Feb 28 22:51:01 <ka6sox-work> chemist, you need to find the name of that deb...its not the name that you cut and pasted.
Feb 28 22:51:07 <x29a> the 3.8 firmware can do wpa-psk
Feb 28 22:52:17 <ka6sox-work> http://www.nslu2-linux.org/gallery/Iomega100d/IMG_0414
Feb 28 22:52:23 <ka6sox-work> not my best work I suspect
Feb 28 22:52:30 <ka6sox-work> jacques also has one too.
Feb 28 22:52:42 <ka6sox-work> (a Lude)
Feb 28 22:53:24 <x29a> so its the pins on the left there?
Feb 28 22:57:13 <ka6sox-work> yes
Feb 28 22:57:26 <ka6sox-work> the square pin is #1 and the pins on that side are ODD.
Feb 28 22:57:49 <x29a> yah, k, like normal
Feb 28 22:57:51 <ka6sox-work> (towards the edge)
Feb 28 22:57:52 <ka6sox-work> yep
Feb 28 22:58:16 <ka6sox-work> the 20pin connector on the side is JTAG.
Feb 28 22:58:20 <x29a> ka6sox-work: so i follow this: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/NAS100d/InstallLudeOS and should be able to connect to the redboot which is already in there?
Feb 28 22:58:28 <x29a> oh good to know there is jtag ;)
Feb 28 22:59:02 <ka6sox-work> I hope not to blow stuff up too badly but eventually I intend to test uboot on it.
Feb 28 22:59:43 <x29a> hehe
Feb 28 22:59:50 <ka6sox-work> as of 4.9Alpha the CF-IDE problems are gone..I am unaware of any other issues.
Feb 28 22:59:55 <x29a> im happy when theres a running linux on there
Feb 28 23:00:11 <x29a> wasnt to eager to fiddle around with the dev of bootloaders/kernels on my simpad either
Feb 28 23:00:32 <ka6sox-work> other than you should know that one of the USB connections is a USB1.1 and the *other* will either be USB1.1 OR USB2.0
Feb 28 23:00:54 <x29a> k, 1.1 is fine with me
Feb 28 23:01:21 <ka6sox-work>  alright..iirc the bottom one is *always* 1.1 but don't quote me on that.
Feb 28 23:01:32 <ka6sox-work> have you played with redboot FIS?
Feb 28 23:01:56 <jacques> ka6sox-work, did we ever figure out *why* the usb ports are that way?
Feb 28 23:01:56 <x29a> no
Feb 28 23:02:03 <x29a> hi jacques
Feb 28 23:02:14 <ka6sox-work> jacques, they hooked it up that way for some st00pid reason.
Feb 28 23:02:19 <jacques> :-\
Feb 28 23:02:31 <x29a> ka6sox-work: i actually never 'played' with that stuff, but followed some discussion over at #opensimpad.org 
Feb 28 23:02:34 <ka6sox-work> I should make a salted Lude as I think I blew up one of mine.
Feb 28 23:02:40 <ka6sox-work> and trace out the leads and fix that.
Feb 28 23:03:17 <x29a> uh, bad word detected. how did you blow up yours?
Feb 28 23:03:23 <ka6sox-work> x29a, when I first started it was pretty scary...but if you can keep your addresses straight.
Feb 28 23:03:38 <ka6sox-work> oh...I got some wires crossed.
Feb 28 23:03:50 <ka6sox-work> it let out a LOT of smoke....
Feb 28 23:04:07 <ka6sox-work> I have like 3 of them....I kinda like em.
Feb 28 23:04:24 <x29a> yah, its definetly a nice device
Feb 28 23:04:34 <ka6sox-work> chemist, did you find your .deb?
Feb 28 23:04:35 <x29a> thats why im eager to use it properly
Feb 28 23:04:53 <ka6sox-work> luckily I have a Abatron to reflash if I need to.
Feb 28 23:05:00 <chemist> I think so
Feb 28 23:05:05 <x29a> weird, i installed the 1003_38 which is supposed to be german but its still english, just some new options (e.g. wlan)
Feb 28 23:05:17 <chemist> I'm a bit tired and confused now
Feb 28 23:05:31 <ka6sox-work> chemist, probably time to hang it up for the night.
Feb 28 23:05:33 <x29a> ka6sox-work: where r u from? just in case ;)
Feb 28 23:05:40 <chemist> thanks for your help so far anyway
Feb 28 23:05:44 <ka6sox-work> Left Coaster.
Feb 28 23:06:01 <chemist> I might call upon it again if that's ok
Feb 28 23:06:17 <ka6sox-work> so far you have found ones that I can handle.
Feb 28 23:07:15 <chemist> I know this is a "pro" channel and I'm probably out of my depth, but I really appreciate the help
Feb 28 23:07:21 <x29a> ka6sox-work: you cant just readout a bin for me which i can apply via webinterface or?
Feb 28 23:07:40 <x29a> i think im a bit scared of all that memory-doing-stuff-around
Feb 28 23:08:01 <ka6sox-work> x29a,  it does require you to blow away your fis and start over except for redboot.
Feb 28 23:08:33 <x29a> k, basics, whats the fis?
Feb 28 23:09:38 <ka6sox-work> its the filesystem directory for the flash.
Feb 28 23:10:03 <x29a> ah ok, so the flash will only contain redboot, which will point to some linuxystuff on the hd?
Feb 28 23:10:29 <ka6sox-work> no...you will need to rebuild it and add apex, kernel etc.
Feb 28 23:11:50 <x29a> and theres no image ready for that?
Feb 28 23:12:19 <x29a> rebuilding sounds like setting up some OE-chaintool-environment so i can crosscompile for the 100d?
Feb 28 23:13:06 <ka6sox-work> the images are all available.
Feb 28 23:13:33 <x29a> sweet, ready to go? where?
Feb 28 23:14:03 <x29a> i might just push this off after my exams since its lookin a little more complicated than i thought
Feb 28 23:14:21 <x29a> but good to know theres somebody behind the project/along with me
Feb 28 23:27:11 <x29a> ka6sox-work: do you use wlan with dhcpserver on 100d?
Feb 28 23:27:35 <ka6sox-work> acutally I use it as a client...and NO dhcpserver.
Feb 28 23:27:49 <x29a> but would that be possible you think?
Feb 28 23:27:53 <ka6sox-work> probably
Feb 28 23:27:55 <x29a> i want to avoid getting another ap
Feb 28 23:28:01 <ka6sox-work> I've not played with that stuffs.
Feb 28 23:46:17 <x29a> ka6sox-work: just checking, but could i go back to original firmware if im not happy with slugos?
Feb 28 23:46:40 <ka6sox-work> you would have to return the FIS to normal
Feb 28 23:46:57 <ka6sox-work> and replace the entire directory structure to original.
Feb 28 23:47:07 <ka6sox-work> (including the payloads)
Feb 28 23:47:19 <x29a> uffz
Feb 28 23:47:59 <ka6sox-work> LT1028
Feb 28 23:47:59 <ka6sox-work> Slew Rate, Gain-Bandwidth Product
Feb 28 23:47:59 <ka6sox-work> vs Over-Compensation Capacitor
Feb 29 00:16:16 <CIA-22> 03bzhou * r7887 10optware/trunk/make/vlc.mk: vlc: 0.8.6d -> 0.8.6e
Feb 29 01:15:33 <VoodooZ_> new vlc? good
Feb 29 01:21:40 <VoodooZ_> anybody got a tips or suggestion of libs to implement a robust communication protocol between a robot and a control GUI?
Feb 29 01:22:20 <VoodooZ_> I've been doing it by parsing ascii via a TCP link but it just complicates things and breaks easily.. It's OT so just PM me if you can help..
Feb 29 01:37:44 <ka6sox-work> VoodooZ_, is this from ON-robot to OFF-robot?
Feb 29 02:34:39 <VoodooZ_> ka6sox-work: in short.. my robot is the server and for control/debugging purposes I have a client GUI (tcl/tk) that connects to the robot.
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