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Jan 16 04:31:48 <CIA-51> 03bzhou * r9443 10optware/trunk/make/git.mk: git: 1.6.0.6 -> 1.6.1
Jan 16 05:35:51 <brianpspmod> hey
Jan 16 05:35:55 <brianpspmod> anyone here?
Jan 16 05:40:30 <CIA-51> 03bzhou * r9444 10optware/trunk/make/smartmontools.mk: smartmontools: 5.38 -> 5.38+cvs20090115 to get ATACB passthru
Jan 16 05:41:12 <brianpspmod> hey
Jan 16 05:41:17 <brianpspmod> hi cia-51
Jan 16 22:22:15 <zsircusr> hey
Jan 16 22:22:29 <zsircusr> is there anything on the board that ki can remove to make it smaller?
Jan 16 22:22:38 <zsircusr> all i need is the usb stuff
Jan 16 22:23:02 <mwester> zsircusr:  if you have to ask that question, then the answer is "no"
Jan 16 22:24:19 <zsircusr> oh man
Jan 16 22:24:28 <zsircusr> what about folding the board?
Jan 16 22:26:01 <Reedy> :|
Jan 16 22:26:39 <zsircusr> how about taking all the components and fitting them on a smaller board?
Jan 16 22:28:58 <mwester> er... do you have any idea what you are talking about?? :-D
Jan 16 22:29:51 <zsircusr> i sure do
Jan 16 22:29:58 <zsircusr> i need to make the board smaller
Jan 16 22:30:23 <zsircusr> or find a product that will run unslung just like the nslu2 that is smaller than the nalu2 board
Jan 16 22:30:47 <Reedy> why unslung specifically?
Jan 16 22:31:52 <mwester> Well, let me state it this way, then:  If you had access to the equipment and tools and knowlege required to make such significant modifications to the board, you wouldn't have to ask if it could be done.   Basically, the answer is no, you cannot alter the board (other than minute filing down of the edges a millimeter or two here or there) without breaking it.
Jan 16 22:32:26 <mwester> You can remove the CPU -- but you'll never get it soldered back onto anything without extraordinarily expensive gear to solder BGA devices.
Jan 16 22:32:46 <mwester> So your only choice is to live with the size, or search for other products.
Jan 16 22:32:53 <Reedy> Theres loads of various ARM CPU based devices about now...
Jan 16 22:32:56 <Reedy> smaller than the nslu2 board
Jan 16 22:32:57 <mwester> Beagleboard?  Gumstix?
Jan 16 22:34:21 <mwester> (but those don't run the Linksys firmware of course, and don't run the Unslung, or SlugOS firmware either.  Some of the might be able to get running with the Debian ARM release, but you would need to cobble that together by hand since I think there's no pre-built images for any of those other baords.
Jan 16 22:34:51 <ShadowJK> I think there's an angstrom image for beagleboard
Jan 16 22:34:56 <mwester> Actually, probably the closest in terms of software support might be the Openmoko Freerunner.
Jan 16 22:35:13 <Reedy> Im sure i've seen the beagleboard with ubuntu on it..
Jan 16 22:35:25 <mwester> ShadowJK:  they're working on it, it's not done yet -- but it's a very cool bit of hardware!
Jan 16 22:35:27 <ShadowJK> I'm sure people have put almost everything on it by now :P
Jan 16 22:35:45 <ShadowJK> is freerunner board really smaller than nslu2 board?
Jan 16 22:35:46 * mwester wanted a beagleboard for Christmas :(
Jan 16 22:35:55 <ShadowJK> I have no real idea of how big hte freerunner is
Jan 16 22:36:16 <ShadowJK> when/if they make one with working ehci I'll have trouble not getting one :-)
Jan 16 22:36:20 <ShadowJK> esp if price stays the same
Jan 16 22:36:25 <Reedy> mwester, cant you allocate $149 of donations to nslu2-linux for one? ;)
Jan 16 22:36:58 <mwester> Reedy:  ;)  No, I think it's all going for disk drives for the optware feeds.
Jan 16 22:37:13 <Reedy> start a donation drive so you can get one? :D
Jan 16 22:37:26 <mwester> hehe!  That's an idea.
Jan 16 22:37:38 <mwester> Or I could stand on a steet corner with a sign and a tin cup
Jan 16 22:38:03 <Reedy> The WMF made me laugh earlier "A third server has been ordered, which will also be installed in Amsterdam, but will not be part of the toolserver cluster. It's a storage server (X4540, 24TB RAID) that will keep a live backup of all media files."
Jan 16 22:39:13 <zsircusr> ok the beagle board wont work
Jan 16 22:39:21 <zsircusr> usb tranfer speed is not as fast as nslu2
Jan 16 22:39:22 <ShadowJK> wmf?
Jan 16 22:39:31 <Reedy> wikimedia foundation
Jan 16 22:39:39 <Reedy> its slower than the NSLU2? :|
Jan 16 22:39:59 <ShadowJK> the CPU is way way way faster
Jan 16 22:40:05 <ShadowJK> but it only has the one musb thing
Jan 16 22:40:07 <Reedy> and has hdmi ;)
Jan 16 22:40:17 <ShadowJK> it's dvi with hdmi connector, i think?
Jan 16 22:40:22 <zsircusr> bust it does not have usb high speed like the nslu2 does
Jan 16 22:40:47 <zsircusr> could i take the beagle board and mod it for usb high speed
Jan 16 22:41:11 <Reedy> i dunno, could you?
Jan 16 22:41:27 <zsircusr> is it possible
Jan 16 22:41:33 <zsircusr> i guess thats the proper question
Jan 16 22:41:37 <mwester> Er, it's a full USB 2.0 on the beagle board -- and the CPU can undoubtedly drive it much faster than the NSLU2.
Jan 16 22:42:16 <zsircusr> ok the nslu2 will do 480mbs usb
Jan 16 22:42:21 <ShadowJK> lol
Jan 16 22:42:27 <ShadowJK> Have you actually used nslu2?
Jan 16 22:42:28 <zsircusr> beagle board not as much
Jan 16 22:42:41 <zsircusr> and it is usb otg
Jan 16 22:42:43 <zsircusr> not host
Jan 16 22:42:54 <mwester> zsircusr:  please expand -- where do yo usee that the beagleboard can't do the full 480
Jan 16 22:42:55 <mwester> ?
Jan 16 22:43:21 <ShadowJK> IT can act both as gadget and as host..
Jan 16 22:43:22 <zsircusr> nvm
Jan 16 22:43:30 <zsircusr> i was not remembering correctly
Jan 16 22:43:40 <zsircusr> no on the website it says it is onlt otg
Jan 16 22:43:49 <zsircusr> i need host for streaming purposes
Jan 16 22:44:06 <ShadowJK> you know you can switch it into host mode, right..
Jan 16 22:44:27 <zsircusr> how?
Jan 16 22:44:35 <zsircusr> this is amazing if you are correct
Jan 16 22:44:42 <zsircusr> i would love you forever
Jan 16 22:44:55 <mwester> put it in host mode, add a usb hub, and it can drive as many external usb devices (incl ethernet, mass storage, etc) as you want.
Jan 16 22:44:55 <ShadowJK> Either by telling the kernel to do it, or by using the usb-otg adapter..
Jan 16 22:45:29 <mwester> There's a pin on the connector that the kernel will honor, and if your cable lacks that pin, you can write a value into a file in /sys to cause it to enter host mode.
Jan 16 22:45:35 <zsircusr> ok. please clarify something for me
Jan 16 22:45:45 <Reedy> offtopic, much?
Jan 16 22:45:58 <zsircusr> otg means that i would only be able to copy to and from it
Jan 16 22:46:08 <ShadowJK> no it does not
Jan 16 22:46:09 <zsircusr> host would mean i could stream from it
Jan 16 22:46:21 <zsircusr> what is otg than
Jan 16 22:46:48 <Reedy> http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=otg
Jan 16 22:46:56 <zsircusr> and will i be able to use the beagle board as an interface to stream data from an hdd to something else?
Jan 16 22:47:12 <zsircusr> as far as i know otg only lets you back things up
Jan 16 22:47:18 <Reedy> or even http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=otg&l=1
Jan 16 22:47:33 <zsircusr> ok reedy cmon
Jan 16 22:47:43 <zsircusr> ive been trying to figure this out for a long long time
Jan 16 22:48:41 <zsircusr> what is the diff between host and otg?
Jan 16 22:49:38 <zsircusr> i was under the assumption that otg is not host
Jan 16 22:51:47 <ShadowJK> <mwester> There's a pin on the connector that the kernel will honor, and if your cable lacks that pin, you can write a value into a file in /sys to cause it to enter host mode.
Jan 16 22:52:07 <zsircusr> ok it enters host mode
Jan 16 22:52:20 <zsircusr> is that traditional usb host? or is it otg host
Jan 16 22:53:16 <zsircusr> ok so here we go
Jan 16 22:53:27 <zsircusr> if i had the beagle board in host mode
Jan 16 22:53:44 <zsircusr> and i had a usb splitter so that it became 2 ports
Jan 16 22:53:53 <zsircusr> it would essentially work like the nslu2 does
Jan 16 22:54:34 <ShadowJK> You'd want a powered usb hub
Jan 16 22:54:50 <zsircusr> ok thats fine
Jan 16 22:54:55 <zsircusr> its perfect than
Jan 16 22:55:03 <ShadowJK> and a usb ethernet adapter :-)
Jan 16 22:55:13 <zsircusr> dont need that
Jan 16 22:55:30 <zsircusr> see i used the nslu2 to stream data fro a usb flash drive to my psp
Jan 16 22:55:49 <zsircusr> it involved running unslung on the nslu2 and running usbhostfs
Jan 16 22:56:06 <zsircusr> then i was able to connect any usb mass storage device to my psp
Jan 16 22:56:09 <zsircusr> soooooooooooooo
Jan 16 22:56:17 <zsircusr> if the beagle board is usb host
Jan 16 22:56:33 <zsircusr> and the usb transfer speed is as fast or faster than the nslu2
Jan 16 22:56:50 <zsircusr> i can use the beagle board instead and internalize a hardrive on my psp
Jan 16 22:56:57 <zsircusr> sound like i got it right?
Jan 16 22:57:21 <zsircusr> im just praying that we did not make a mistake and that the beagle board is truly a usb host
Jan 16 22:58:21 <mwester> Why don't you make sure?  The FAQ page on the beagleboard website lists an IRC channel and a mailing list where you can ask!
Jan 16 22:58:21 <ShadowJK> It's probably too complicated for you
Jan 16 22:58:41 <zsircusr> oh wow thank you very much i appreciate it
Jan 16 22:58:55 <zsircusr> what is the irc channel or the faq page you found?
Jan 16 23:00:18 <ShadowJK> I think Reedy had a good link ;)
Jan 16 23:01:58 <zsircusr> oh dang
Jan 16 23:02:04 <zsircusr> everyone is sleeping there lol
Jan 16 23:02:19 <zsircusr> but hey guys. thank you truly for all your help
Jan 16 23:02:24 <zsircusr> you are all awesome
Jan 16 23:02:29 <zsircusr> thank you so much
Jan 16 23:02:36 <zsircusr> didnt mean to be a buggin noob
Jan 16 23:03:49 <Reedy> use the mailing list ;)
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