**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 19 02:59:56 2005 Sep 19 03:05:44 heh.. 2.95 strikes back.. Sep 19 03:06:06 void DbFlatDir::store(const char *recordName,const void *record,int length) Sep 19 03:06:15 (char*)record += width; Sep 19 03:06:25 'nice' code.... Sep 19 03:09:51 ~lart coders which wrote code for 2.95 gcc only Sep 19 03:09:51 * ibot rm -rf's coders which wrote code for 2.95 gcc only Sep 19 03:11:10 hrw|work: thats not even for 2.95.X thats just a C programmer trying to do C++ and failing Sep 19 03:11:55 XorA: maybe - but 2.95 compile that Sep 19 03:12:16 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r9081cef3... 10/packages/linux/ (14 files in 2 dirs): linux-oz-2.6: Create a linux-openzaurus.inc containing common metadata. Add 2.6.14-rc1 as our stable kernel. Sep 19 03:12:25 hrw|work: I would guess at a win32 coder :-) Sep 19 03:12:45 snmpz should be rewritten probably... "const char*" in C++ are very bad Sep 19 03:12:47 imho Sep 19 03:13:08 hrw|work: yeah, String is such a nicer class :-) Sep 19 03:13:18 XorA: QString in that app Sep 19 03:13:29 hrw|work: QT sux0rs :-) Sep 19 03:14:32 XorA: if app is written for qt(e) then it SHOULD use QT provided STL like classes Sep 19 03:14:46 who needs extra 800K from libstdc++? Sep 19 03:15:22 RP: can you add cpufreq for development kernel? Sep 19 03:15:41 hrw|work: you could also so who needs extra 800K from qt STL copy Sep 19 03:16:15 XorA: if you have QT then you have it Sep 19 03:16:26 snmpz is qte app Sep 19 03:16:27 hrw|work: I can but the development kernel is so broken you don't want to use it ;-) Sep 19 03:16:33 hrw|work: I dislike a widget set that tries to replace a whole OS Sep 19 03:16:50 MFC sucked, people stop copying it Sep 19 03:16:52 RP: ok - I have -mm3 currently.. have to bump to rc1 then Sep 19 03:17:15 hrw|work: Just don't change to -rc1-mm1 Sep 19 03:17:29 RP: what about LOZ_ENABLE_CPUFREQ flag? Sep 19 03:17:43 RP: ok - will go to rc1 Sep 19 03:18:10 RP: perfect timing for that checkin, I had just started a kernel compile :-) Sep 19 03:18:50 hrw|work: I don't think we need the flag as it will be added soon enough Sep 19 03:19:10 ok Sep 19 03:19:20 XorA: There will be a slight problem with hostap 0.4.4 and this kernel - use hostap 0.3.9 Sep 19 03:19:26 XorA: I build 2 kernels today.. Sep 19 03:19:28 RP: ok, cool Sep 19 03:20:22 I'll have to tweak that hostap kernel patch to make it look for kernel version 2.6.15 :-/ Sep 19 03:24:06 RP: rc1-mm1-rX < rc1-rX - even DEFAULT_PREFERENCE is not needed ;) Sep 19 03:25:05 hrw|work: I know - I just want to make it explicit though - -rc1-mm1 is broken :) Sep 19 03:28:35 NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.14-rc1-r0.1: task do_fetch: started Sep 19 03:31:56 I suddenly get the feeling tosa-bl-r5 is going to bite... Sep 19 03:32:07 NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.14-rc1-r0.1: task do_patch: completed Sep 19 03:32:14 NOTE: Applying patch 'tosa-bl-r5.patch' Sep 19 03:32:54 I suspect that your cached version is the good copy from my site - not the bad one from Dirks... Sep 19 03:33:01 RP: 1b24360a1b0238a3f1d67b72aff01ea9 tosa-bl-r5.patch - correct? Sep 19 03:33:17 RP: bump that patch maybe? tosa-bl-r5.1.patch Sep 19 03:34:43 RP: would it be an idea to have all patches in OE for the 'stable' kernel? Sep 19 03:35:12 RP: and only do weekly (or monthly) updates to that? Sep 19 03:37:49 koen: Its never really been a problem before and I only touch the stable kernel for bug fixes... Sep 19 03:38:01 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * ra2d3ac01... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.14-rc1.bb: linux-oz-2.6: Fix a potential conflict with the tosa-bl patch. Sep 19 03:56:51 hey Sep 19 03:57:02 hi zecke Sep 19 03:57:07 hi zecke Sep 19 03:57:09 hrw|work: RP : is the text/font issue resolved? Sep 19 03:57:23 zecke: I think so but I've not tested yet Sep 19 03:58:05 zecke: yes Sep 19 03:58:16 zecke: opie-freetype was missing Sep 19 03:58:51 my FreeBSD build stopped at libc-headers Sep 19 04:00:34 hail zecke Sep 19 04:01:30 RP: did you managed to build hostap-modules 0.4.4 with rc1 kernel? Sep 19 04:02:05 RP: http://pastebin.com/367925 Sep 19 04:02:16 hrw|work: It won't build - need to remove the kernel update patch. But is also won't run properly anyway... Sep 19 04:02:37 I'll update that patch... Sep 19 04:02:40 RP: ok - just wanted to know Sep 19 04:10:24 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r867a0401... 10/packages/hostap/hostap-modules-0.4.4/kernel_updates.patch: Sep 19 04:10:25 hostap: These changes will happen in 2.6.15 but are present in the current -mm Sep 19 04:10:25 series. To get this to work, -mm kernels will have to pretend to be 2.6.15. The Sep 19 04:10:25 only other alternative is to break 2.6.14 series kernels which is unacceptable. Sep 19 04:12:50 * zecke gets angry... ;) Sep 19 04:13:23 what happened zecke? Sep 19 04:13:49 RP: NOTE: package hostap-modules-0.4.4-r0: task do_build: completed Sep 19 04:13:50 thx Sep 19 04:14:18 RP: did you say 0.4.4 wont work even though it compiles? Sep 19 04:14:50 XorA: Correct. It will work until you try to eject the card Sep 19 04:16:12 hrw|work: I just read a diploma thesis that got graded 1.0... Sep 19 04:16:18 well one word *bullshit* Sep 19 04:17:27 zecke: 1.0 is the highest grade, right? Sep 19 04:17:28 zecke: Ah. I presume that wasn't 1/100 :) Sep 19 04:18:15 koen: right... excellence... Sep 19 04:18:40 koen: Code Part is unfinished, written code is crap, textual writing is crap... Sep 19 04:18:51 koen: in total nothing was achieved, really nothing... Sep 19 04:19:09 damn I should pass by raising my hand... Sep 19 04:27:45 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r41414d67... 10/packages/gpsd/gpsd.inc: packages/gpsd/gpsd.inc: fix depends Sep 19 04:30:59 zecke: in my last programming course the supervisors told me to use '//' to comment code in C Sep 19 04:31:18 koen: wow didn't know science was at c99 ;) Sep 19 04:31:39 koen: place comments with // at column 80+ ;) Sep 19 04:31:50 heh Sep 19 04:31:54 koen: When I was at uni, we used to get final year students who couldnt even spell C let alone code it supervising the labs Sep 19 04:32:15 our IDE was borland turbo C++ Sep 19 04:32:22 yes, the DOS version Sep 19 04:32:29 the year was 2003 Sep 19 04:32:40 koen: sucks Sep 19 04:32:53 This comfirms I was right to do Physics ;-) Sep 19 04:32:54 I start to hate Uni, it wastes my time Sep 19 04:32:55 XorA: I nicked my dads docs on that Sep 19 04:33:15 The only lanaguage they taught us was FORTRAN... Sep 19 04:33:17 50 cm of complate documentation and c/C++ api :) Sep 19 04:33:24 RP: sounds right, I'm too untrained for physics... Sep 19 04:33:43 * XorA did combo Computer Science / Electrical Engineering, and I must say, 99% of CS students on that course should not have been allowed a gameboy let alone a computer Sep 19 04:34:25 to reserve a computer in the LAB we used to turn off the monitor Sep 19 04:34:42 ~lart lazy people for using cp -a instead of cp -PRp ... Sep 19 04:34:42 zecke: the supervisors were amazed that I used switch() instead of 5 if statements... Sep 19 04:34:42 * ibot says "boot to the head" and knocks lazy people over for using cp -a instead of cp -PRp ... Sep 19 04:34:47 koen: in 2001 I wrote diploma using turbo c++ dos version Sep 19 04:34:59 koen: and you failed? as if was the only answer? Sep 19 04:35:12 zecke: I was the first one to use it Sep 19 04:35:13 RP: And did you ever have to use FORTRAN? Sep 19 04:35:43 lardman|work: At Uni I was forced to. I got out of it whenever I could... Sep 19 04:35:57 koen: at least NL is not too narrow minded... Sep 19 04:36:03 I still can't write C/C++, but at least I know I'm better at is than the CS students Sep 19 04:36:07 our main programming lecturer used to fail you if you didnt check for unprintable characters in C strings, even if you had used a function that removes unprintable characters for you :-( Sep 19 04:36:10 koen: I would have lost, as my solution is not equal to the example solution Sep 19 04:36:12 RP: Yeah I was taught it at uni, and I was about the only person who every used it - on placement writing CFD code Sep 19 04:36:56 XorA: did you ever repair nullmodem cable using chewing gum? Sep 19 04:37:18 I never want to see any FORTRAN ever again. C is better in every respect now. Sep 19 04:37:21 zecke: I hate when that happens Sep 19 04:37:24 hrw|work: no, but I did make a modem connection using a keyring and my thunb when we were hacking in blackpool one year Sep 19 04:37:32 In 1977 it might not have been but its 2005 now... Sep 19 04:37:51 koen: wget localhost/OE/OE.db.bz2 ;) Sep 19 04:37:57 XorA: I used terminal which has 2 wire nullmodem... Sep 19 04:38:08 XorA: ground was by powerline Sep 19 04:38:16 zecke: cp /var/www/OE/OE.db.bz2 is probably faster :) Sep 19 04:38:26 koen: 27MB/s was good enough Sep 19 04:38:59 oh, and one lecturer who couldnt figure that the max range of cos is -1 to 1 Sep 19 04:41:39 still no word from CELF... Sep 19 04:41:50 I was lucky in the most of my lecturers were quite good. It was just the fact they'd ignored 30 years of computer development... Sep 19 04:42:19 koen: Day X, still no contact with CELF Sep 19 04:42:38 and a maths lecturer who was so bad, they used to give us the answers before an exam Sep 19 04:42:39 zecke: I'm starting to sounds like all those maemo blogs Sep 19 04:42:49 "no news, x days left in Q3" Sep 19 04:42:54 hehe Sep 19 04:43:16 "no pad, x days left until Q3" Sep 19 04:45:33 I should look at SElinux integration in OE Sep 19 04:47:35 actually... Sep 19 04:47:47 * koen looks at "information theory and coding" Sep 19 04:48:02 grep -rni 'cp -a' * | wc -l Sep 19 04:48:02 97 Sep 19 04:48:22 shakes head, GNU makes gay ;) Sep 19 04:57:30 Hmmm. Hotplug is broken on the latest OZ kernel - echo "/sbin/hotplug" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug makes it work... Sep 19 04:57:52 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r8167de3e... 10/packages/linux-libc-headers/ (3 files): Sep 19 04:57:53 packages/linux-libc-headers: Sep 19 04:57:53 -Use a more compatible command-line argument. -a is compatible Sep 19 04:57:53 to -dpR and -d is the same as -P and -P exist on FreeBSD Sep 19 04:58:14 RP: I thought hotplug was dead? Sep 19 04:58:28 koen|away: happen to have a reachable FreeBSD machine Sep 19 04:59:17 or can anyone offer me an account on a FreeBSD system? Sep 19 05:00:14 heh.. I love gpe stuff failing because of libtoolized to tmp/work/... Sep 19 05:00:29 | grep: /home/hrw/devel/build/0912/tmp/work/armv5te-linux/glib-2.0-2.6.4-r0/glib-2.6.4/glib/libglib-2.0.la: No such file or directory Sep 19 05:04:28 XorA: We use it for the firmware uploading for orinoco when its built into the kernel Sep 19 05:08:23 ~lart libtool errors in gpe stuff Sep 19 05:08:23 * ibot whips out his power stapler and staples libtool errors in gpe stuff's foot to the floor Sep 19 05:10:52 after cleaning tmp/work to build gnome-vfs you need to rebuild atleast: glib2, dbus, orbit2, bonobo ;( Sep 19 05:16:31 Ah, udev disabled hotplug in our images Sep 19 05:17:05 I'm not sure udev is a complete replacement for hotplug yet... Sep 19 05:18:26 I think we need a udev firmware script Sep 19 05:20:50 hrw|work: all of the stuff you mentioned isn't gpe Sep 19 05:21:20 koen: ok - it's used for gpe-image Sep 19 05:21:25 zecke: I don't know of any reachable *bsd machines Sep 19 05:22:07 hrw|work: it seems you built the wrong gnome-vfs Sep 19 05:22:19 koen: no - I just did 'rm -rf tmp/work' Sep 19 05:22:20 since gnome-vfs-dbus doesn't require orbit Sep 19 05:22:34 koen: gnome-vfs was taken automatically ;( Sep 19 05:33:23 hrw|work: sounds like a missing PREFERRED_PROVIDER Sep 19 05:42:39 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rdaa9aa70... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: add preferred provider for gnome-vfs-dbus Sep 19 05:43:34 reenoo_: have you considered doing a mini bitbake and call it debian/rules? Sep 19 05:48:37 zecke: heh. no. might work though Sep 19 05:49:25 lo Sep 19 05:49:50 hi gerwinin Sep 19 05:50:23 Ciao all Sep 19 05:51:05 reenoo_: do you get along with monotone? - at least to some degree? Sep 19 05:52:21 Pigi: hey, which version should contain the FreeBSD patch? Sep 19 05:52:56 hi zecke, I have to say that having a biggest problem with "depends:" I did reverted the patch. Sep 19 05:53:29 I was too scary to commit two different patches in the same time, having all that problems. Sep 19 05:53:29 oh, was that patch guilty? Sep 19 05:53:38 understandable Sep 19 05:54:01 If I have problems with the latest patch, at least I know where to look. Sep 19 05:54:31 zecke: to some extent, yeah. I miss a couple of IMO important features and I still think its speed (or lack thereof) makes it a bad choice. Sep 19 05:54:35 If you wan't I can supply you the patch for testing, now that we are stable. Sep 19 05:54:44 want even Sep 19 05:54:52 ~ help botmail Sep 19 05:55:48 hey renoo Sep 19 05:56:01 Zecke: and are you happy with the outcome of the election :) Sep 19 05:57:04 Pigi: yeah please Sep 19 05:57:26 zecke _at_ handhelds.org ? Sep 19 05:57:28 reenoo_: speed yes, no alternatives were presented though Sep 19 05:57:31 Pigi: yep Sep 19 05:57:39 ok Sep 19 05:57:44 gerwinin: hehe, it was nice to see our chancelor on cocaine... Sep 19 05:58:00 gerwinin: actually it was a shame... Sep 19 05:58:52 koen: thx for fix Sep 19 06:08:33 We're really missing the hotplug scripts - network devices fail to auto configure :-/ Sep 19 06:09:17 mmc cards fail to mount :-/ Sep 19 06:09:26 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r59667439... 10/ (23 files in 16 dirs): Sep 19 06:09:26 GNU cp has a nice -a switch, sadly the BSD tools lack it Sep 19 06:09:26 update our descriptions to work with any version of cp. Patches that include Sep 19 06:09:26 cp -a are not changed. They seem to work and I'm too scared busybox cp Sep 19 06:09:26 is more like GNU cp than BSD cp. (e.g do not know about P) Sep 19 06:09:37 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rbe38e619... 10/packages/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Same GNU cp changes... Sep 19 06:09:42 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r01581970... 10/packages/ (21 files in 21 dirs): Make cp invocations BSD compatible Sep 19 06:09:48 mmc cards fail to umount :) Sep 19 06:15:48 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rfe605f84... 10/conf/distro/openzaurus-3.5.4.conf: openzaurus-3.5.4: Add hostap-modules-0.3.9 as the preferred version as 0.4.4 shows problems Sep 19 06:15:52 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r9a1d8045... 10/packages/udev/ (udev-070/udev.rules udev_070.bb): udev: Enable firmware helper in udev to replace hotplug's firmware agent (fixes orinoco firmware issue). Sep 19 06:18:30 Pigi: why would one ever want to umount something Sep 19 06:19:05 zecke, heh... because ext2 module goes in error and is unable to read the card ? Sep 19 06:25:53 hmm.. x.org 6.9.99.900 debian experimental.. lets check does and how they works. Sep 19 06:26:23 hrw|work: you still on Xfree? Sep 19 06:27:32 XorA: no -xorg 6.8.2/sid Sep 19 06:27:52 hrw|work: ah so your just going for the razors edge p;-) Sep 19 06:28:09 XorA: sure Sep 19 06:29:24 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r053ac8ef... 10/packages/ (2 files in 2 dirs): GNU cp the last missing files... all cp invocations should be BSD compatible now Sep 19 06:29:56 brb Sep 19 06:29:59 RP: SD cards have failed to mount for me for a long while without being ejected (for the past 4 kernels I suppose) - is this the reason? Sep 19 06:31:44 re Sep 19 06:32:50 heh.. some libs not upgraded Sep 19 06:36:14 lardman|work: The bootup mount issue has been present of a long time. Now they don't mount at all... Sep 19 06:36:37 lardman|work: The old fix would have been to add an mmc.rc script to hotplug. Now we need a udev script Sep 19 06:36:55 RP: Ah, I see Sep 19 06:38:32 koen: what was that URL taking the piss out of gentoo users ? Sep 19 06:39:28 We might be able to work around the hotplug net script problem with pcmcia-cs config files... Sep 19 06:39:57 RP: We've moved up to 2.6.14-rc1 now? I'll build a gpe-image and have a look see. Do you change the defconfigs between releases (as if so I'll need to alter it for cpufreq)? Sep 19 06:39:57 pcmcia-cs will die in 2.6 world after november... Sep 19 06:40:18 The -rc1 defconfig is the same as -rc1-mm1 Sep 19 06:40:34 -rc1 works a lot better. -rc1-mm1 is full of bugs Sep 19 06:40:53 RP: Thanks Sep 19 06:41:09 hrw|work: I know. We just need something to sort out oz 3.5.4 Sep 19 06:41:25 We switch to pcmciautils as soon as its tagged Sep 19 06:41:49 hrw|work: Or is pcmciautils in a good enough state to switch to now? Sep 19 06:41:59 RP: better after 354 Sep 19 06:42:01 brb Sep 19 06:45:14 re Sep 19 06:45:19 this time I'll stay Sep 19 06:55:32 morning Sep 19 07:07:00 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd8788b6b... 10/packages/rxvt-unicode/ (rxvt-unicode-5.6/xwc.patch rxvt-unicode_5.6.bb): packages/rxvt-unicode/ : add 5.6 + patch Sep 19 07:17:21 morning Sep 19 07:18:34 morning kergoth Sep 19 07:24:51 morning kergoth Sep 19 07:27:12 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/KergothsRandomBits Sep 19 07:29:11 heh Sep 19 07:29:42 that looks pretty good Sep 19 07:30:43 that version doesnt include setting SRC_URI, but you get the point Sep 19 07:31:22 hi kergoth Sep 19 07:33:16 I don't suppose there would be any reasonable way to do conditional includes, would there? Sep 19 07:33:44 other than include ${FOO} and setting foo conditionally, i doubt it Sep 19 07:34:24 Dang Sep 19 07:34:40 Well, it would be nice if we could set a flag in local.conf, DEVEL_BUILD=1, that would enable such things as your hack Sep 19 07:34:58 So developers could use the build on their local sources without having to bang on the .bbs Sep 19 07:36:32 And it would also add a devel suffix on the versions of the packages, which would enable me to legally kill them if one made it into an official build... :) Sep 19 07:37:40 hehe Sep 19 07:37:44 that would be nice Sep 19 07:43:00 My people's problem is hacking the .bbs Sep 19 07:44:29 koen: anybody figure out if that RSYNC method works for Monotone? Sep 19 07:50:23 kergoth: hey Sep 19 07:51:02 CosmicPenguin: I want the file fecther to know about modules... Sep 19 07:51:25 CosmicPenguin: you could do SRC_URI="${CP_SOURCE};module=foo" Sep 19 07:51:42 why? Sep 19 07:51:53 CosmicPenguin: and then depending on CP_SOURCE either svn://cp.source.net/svn or file:///path/to/foo Sep 19 07:51:56 gets used Sep 19 07:52:01 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6b9abb15... 10/packages/ (3 files in 2 dirs): packages/gpe-themes/: move foxbox to here and add gpe-theme-clearlooks Sep 19 07:52:02 zecke: i'd rather just make it so cvs/svn urls obey MIRRORS/PREMIRRORS. Sep 19 07:52:05 heh Sep 19 07:52:43 kergoth: how would you switch easily from localdir to SCM (current) build? Sep 19 07:52:53 CosmicPenguin: no, it seems all complainers are lazy bastards Sep 19 07:53:10 kergoth: you would have to use one override (to disable MIRROR*) for each custom bbfile Sep 19 07:53:57 CosmicPenguin: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/monotone-devel/2005-09/msg00230.html Sep 19 07:54:03 that one is interesting too Sep 19 07:57:27 anyone know a good code formatter for c++? Sep 19 07:57:38 indent -gnu ? Sep 19 07:57:47 the link made me remember I am sort of looking for one :) Sep 19 07:58:08 I'm thinking indent isn't so good at c++ :( Sep 19 07:58:34 don't try it on php either Sep 19 07:58:41 heh Sep 19 07:59:06 hi drw Sep 19 07:59:08 it works on php, as long as you don't do stuff like $foo .= "bla" Sep 19 07:59:25 hi hrw|work Sep 19 07:59:57 hey drw Sep 19 08:00:15 From the indent man page : Sep 19 08:00:16 hi zecke Sep 19 08:00:17 While an attempt was made to get indent working for C++, it will not Sep 19 08:00:17 do a good job on any C++ source except the very simplest. Sep 19 08:01:29 NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package: Sep 19 08:01:30 http://sourceforge.net/projects/astyle Sep 19 08:01:30 NOTE: /usr/lib/libdb.@SOSUFFIX@ Sep 19 08:01:32 funny Sep 19 08:01:41 This sounds promising, but not much activity Sep 19 08:01:55 Should udev call and run any hotplug scripts that exist? That would solve our immediate problem for oz 3.5.4... Sep 19 08:03:38 (to do so just needs an extra udev rule as we already install the binary) Sep 19 08:04:17 only if you're using udev as a hotplug replacement, afaik Sep 19 08:05:01 The problem being that under udev 070, hotplug gets disabled Sep 19 08:05:27 and we still have hotplug scripts we use... Sep 19 08:05:33 ah Sep 19 08:06:04 kergoth: do you have an opinion on BUILD_ARCH_CLEAN (from the macosx patch?) Sep 19 08:08:00 koen: I would be more helpful in that regard, but its really difficult for me to do monotone style stuff from behind the proxy - our IT department doesn't like MT one bit Sep 19 08:08:27 zecke: not offhand, havent looked at that patch Sep 19 08:09:15 the issue is os.uname() returns some string with 'spaces' Sep 19 08:09:39 and a lot of ${TARGET_SYS}/${TARGET_ARCH} code is broken Sep 19 08:10:19 yeah, i'm familiar with that. the cygwin os.uname() isnt what we need either Sep 19 08:10:21 this is why Disconnect in his patch introduced _CLEAN (or _PATH as I would prefer) Sep 19 08:10:40 is there any chanche we will do that as well? Sep 19 08:10:58 we will TARGET_ARCH and TARGET_ARCH_PATH? Sep 19 08:11:08 i dont get what you mean. if you dont trust os.uname, then dont use os.uname. Sep 19 08:12:06 kergoth: well I want to have OE working out of the box on platforms != GNU/Linux Sep 19 08:12:25 kergoth: the question is how to have one bitbake.conf that suits all Sep 19 08:12:42 ah, right. what about including a build/${build_os}.conf that overrides BUILD_OS and re-includes the new one Sep 19 08:12:49 thats how i always expected to implement it Sep 19 08:12:51 * kergoth shrugs Sep 19 08:13:12 right Sep 19 08:14:25 cu Sep 19 08:15:51 Does anyone here have any experience of pcmciautils? Sep 19 08:16:06 no.. always planned on playing iwth it, but never got aorund to it Sep 19 08:16:23 I know hrw|gone uses it but he's just left :) Sep 19 08:16:40 hehe Sep 19 08:17:21 I think we have a problem with auotmounting of disks and ifup/down of network interfaces. Sep 19 08:17:55 Currently, hotplug and pcmcia-cs do this but udev isn't supposed to. Their answer is use HAL... Sep 19 08:18:34 yeah HAL... fast and lightweight Sep 19 08:18:45 haw Sep 19 08:18:56 exactly... Sep 19 08:19:10 I think we need to write some udev scripts to replace the lost functionality even if it isn't how its supposed to be used Sep 19 08:19:31 Does that sound reasonable? Sep 19 08:20:17 Basically, when it detects a disk being added I'm going to have it run mount /dev/x 2> /dev/null ... Sep 19 08:20:28 If its in fstab, great. If not, tough :) Sep 19 08:20:34 no, you should be using pmount Sep 19 08:20:48 or make a uHAL Sep 19 08:20:53 clean, painless, designed for use with removable media that has no fstab entries Sep 19 08:21:07 well, more likely both. on my ubuntu machine, there's hal, but its pmount doing the heavy lifting Sep 19 08:21:11 wrt mounting, at any rate Sep 19 08:34:05 kergoth: Looking at pmount, it solves the fstab problem nicely but that's about it. It still needs to be called by hal... Sep 19 08:34:20 * kergoth nods Sep 19 08:34:34 we'd still need to write scripts, i j ust wanted to make sure we werent calling mount directly :) Sep 19 08:34:47 Right, so I still need a udev script. I thought you meant otherwise :) Sep 19 08:35:51 hehe, nah Sep 19 08:39:09 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r04a04d81... 10/packages/abiword/ (abiword-2.3.99/cdump-hack.patch abiword_2.3.99.bb): packages/abiword/: add 2.3.99 + patch Sep 19 08:40:58 hi Sep 19 08:48:42 RP: I use pcmciautils, but only to eject/insert cards Sep 19 08:52:24 XorA: Does it automatically bring up the network interfaces? Sep 19 08:53:12 If you echo "" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug, does it still do bring up/down network interfaces upon card insert/removal? Sep 19 08:55:42 RP: it did until I went to 2.6.14-rc1 Sep 19 08:56:35 RP: It does not bring them up of you echo "" > /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug Sep 19 08:56:40 Ah, if you're using 2.6.14-rc1 you'll be seeing the problem I'm seeing Sep 19 08:56:53 hotplug gets disabled = problems Sep 19 08:57:40 RP: sorry, have to go home now, not in work tomorrow so weds is the next time I can play with this stuff Sep 19 08:58:01 XorA: np. Hopefully I'll have it sorted by then ;-) Sep 19 08:58:55 XorA: Its just handy to know its also broken with pcmciautils... Sep 19 08:59:22 RP: wicked, a pcmcia-cs free release will be nice Sep 19 08:59:52 Packaged contents of qte into /home/hrw/devel/build/native/tmp/deploy/ipk/libqte2_2.3.10-r27_native.ipk Sep 19 08:59:55 yeah ;) Sep 19 09:00:53 hrw: Does pcmciautils manage to modprobe the right modules for you? Sep 19 09:01:03 RP: when I have normal modprobe Sep 19 09:01:41 RP: as a last leaving present, my machine will not suspend with 2.6.14-rc1 :-( Sep 19 09:02:02 hrw: What I mean is if you insert a hostap card, does hostap get loaded? Sep 19 09:02:08 Xora|GONE: Works fine here :-/ Sep 19 09:02:19 RP: with -mm3 - will look in a minute Sep 19 09:03:26 nevermind - I dont have hostap-modules installed now ;( Sep 19 09:04:34 hrw: Any pcmcia card will do - I'm just trying to work out what functionality we lose/gain with pcmciautils Sep 19 09:05:02 ok Sep 19 09:05:55 RP: works OK with -mm3 and pcmciautils 008 - inserted bt card and dtl1_cs loaded Sep 19 09:06:11 module is not removed with card anyway Sep 19 09:06:12 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra49f6a2c... 10/packages/minimix/minimix_0.8.bb: packages/minimix/: add aminimix_0.8.bb Sep 19 09:06:21 hrw: and you don't have pcmcia-cs installed? Sep 19 09:06:30 dont Sep 19 09:07:25 hrw: ok, interesting, thanks. I guess I need to flash a pcmcia-cs less image and see what breaks first hand :) Sep 19 09:08:14 ok Sep 19 09:08:37 later all Sep 19 09:32:44 udev will let us kill detect stylus for 2.6 :) Sep 19 09:33:18 if we write rules for finding TS? Sep 19 09:33:30 hrw: correct Sep 19 09:33:53 sigh Sep 19 09:33:54 i hate html Sep 19 09:40:20 finally I have opie working on desktop Sep 19 09:40:55 cu Sep 19 10:19:09 spot the errors in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenZaurus Sep 19 10:19:48 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Openembedded Sep 19 10:22:54 heh, we're on wikipedia? Sep 19 10:23:15 it seems so Sep 19 10:23:34 I'm removing the word 'ROM' from above pages Sep 19 10:23:46 hehe Sep 19 10:39:43 "gpe-conf theme" on spitz hates me. Sep 19 10:40:11 Noodles: start it from the menu Sep 19 10:40:23 iirc the issue is fixed in CVS Sep 19 10:40:41 One of you slugers, can you tell me where your fancy dancy OE wrapper Makefile lives? Sep 19 10:41:08 Are there any pretty background images for it in OE, like I get with OPIE? The blue background is really annoying. Sep 19 10:41:15 CosmicPenguin: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/Makefile Sep 19 10:41:21 grassy ass Sep 19 10:41:40 And starting it from the menu seems to work fine; thanks. Sep 19 10:42:16 Noodles: no, images occupy precious flash ;) Sep 19 10:43:07 Heh. I'm using 40M of a 4G HD. Want prettiness! Sep 19 10:43:34 Though for some reason the spitz fstab mounts /dev/hda1 on / and /media/hdd. Sep 19 10:44:37 Noodles: Confusion between 2.4 and 2.6 Sep 19 10:45:11 Why? Surely 2.4 has hda1 as / too? Sep 19 10:45:23 hdc1 Sep 19 10:45:30 Ahhhh. Sep 19 10:45:37 hang on, yes its hda1 Sep 19 10:45:45 it breaks if it becomes hdc1 Sep 19 10:46:04 I've changed my fstab to mount hda2 there. I need to think about how to sort out my extra space I guess. Sep 19 10:46:19 I will look at spitz's fstab as we need to address some of this Sep 19 10:46:34 Plus, /var in tmpfs just seems odd for a HD based machine, but I'm sure under 2.4 when I put it on the HD it made it more prone to crashing. Sep 19 10:46:53 Oh, and does the HD light not work? Sep 19 10:47:03 correct, its software emulated Sep 19 10:47:15 (Sorry, random ramblings; I'm really chuffed at 2.6 and GPE working from a stock bitbake) Sep 19 10:47:33 Are you likely to be around at LinuxExpo at all in October? Sep 19 10:47:38 Its getting there. HDD light isn't on my list of priorities :) Sep 19 10:47:46 :) Sep 19 10:47:52 Noodles: Yes, I will be there Sep 19 10:48:08 Cool. Me too (probably mostly around the Debian stand). Sep 19 10:48:19 I'll buy you a beer if you have time. ;) Sep 19 10:48:40 Openedhand will have a stand. Feel free to come and find it and drag me away ;-) Sep 19 10:49:01 I will do that. I need to meet Ross too, having missed him at Debconf. Sep 19 10:49:03 For now, I need to eat. Sep 19 10:49:07 /me slaps his head Sep 19 10:49:23 ugh, i really need to get work using oe Sep 19 10:49:29 i'mw asting _so_ much time on stupid shit Sep 19 10:49:50