**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 02 02:59:56 2005 Oct 02 03:24:22 morning koen Oct 02 03:27:28 hey RP Oct 02 03:40:17 hi zecke Oct 02 04:00:04 hi folks Oct 02 04:24:47 morning Oct 02 04:42:41 Hello, I'm having trouble with bluez-utils-dbus and I was wondering if someone could help me Oct 02 04:42:44 http://pastebin.com/380403 Oct 02 04:42:55 is the output I'm getting Oct 02 04:58:26 immolo: looks like you're missing kernel headers Oct 02 04:59:23 ah, but shouldn't that be a dep somewhere along the lines? Oct 02 05:01:57 no idea Oct 02 05:02:15 I don't know how your machine.conf is set up Oct 02 05:02:51 its just the h3900 changed to load some different modules and a 2.6 kernel Oct 02 05:19:57 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3f2c299a... 10/: packages/gomunicator/: add gomunicator, a GPE frontend for GSM cards and pdaphones Oct 02 06:46:07 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1d068ad7... 10/: lots of files: update Phil Blundell's email address Oct 02 06:50:24 m orning Oct 02 06:50:35 koen: remeber my strange package file being automatically renamed if it contians lib files from yesterday nigh? Oct 02 06:50:46 ah yes Oct 02 06:50:46 koen: here is the solution: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/UsersManual_2fKeyWords?action=highlight&value=preferred#head-77455698152a5db2014e6602b5e3c4d26cb4cc4a Oct 02 06:50:48 that initended Oct 02 06:51:07 we follow debian package naming Oct 02 06:51:24 koen: it has to do with AUTO_LIBNAME_PKGS. Oct 02 06:52:08 * chris144|home is proud to have done his 1st wiki contribution Oct 02 06:52:13 :-) Oct 02 06:52:22 cheers :) Oct 02 06:52:29 thanks Oct 02 07:27:57 hey Oct 02 07:30:37 hey zecke Oct 02 07:59:12 anyone using oe on a amd64 system besides me? Oct 02 07:59:31 Bernardo: i just got an account on an x86-64 machine :-) Oct 02 07:59:46 Bernardo: hello btw :) Oct 02 07:59:53 hi benoit Oct 02 08:00:04 Bernardo: yes, but I'm using a 32bit kernel and userspace Oct 02 08:00:11 I hope we'll be able to track down this libtool problem by then Oct 02 08:00:26 hi koen Oct 02 08:00:37 hey gs_ Oct 02 08:00:46 what's new ? Oct 02 08:01:05 long time no see Oct 02 08:01:19 benoit: maybe then you won't see this problem... I'm on pure 64 bits Oct 02 08:01:42 it does fly, though - gets to the bugs really fast Oct 02 08:02:58 Bernardo: i'm on pure 64 bits too :-) Oct 02 08:03:05 Bernardo: but i'm not using this machine for OE yet Oct 02 08:03:34 benoit AMD64 ? Oct 02 08:04:11 gs_: yep. but i just have an ssh account (it's a friend box) Oct 02 08:04:18 gs_: do you have irssi+screen on your loft already? Oct 02 08:04:36 benoit: all you'll need is a native 2.95.3 toolchain, which is really fast to build, and then hope you don't get the same libtool bug that is hurting me Oct 02 08:04:47 koen via debian yes Oct 02 08:05:05 I've just played a little with the OE build Oct 02 08:05:12 how big is a minimal debian install nowadays? Oct 02 08:05:38 A few years ago I could trick debian into only using 30MB Oct 02 08:05:41 I've actually run into an issue with unfreeze on that latest OE that is doesn't for Openslug on my gentoo box Oct 02 08:06:01 koen I think it starts out around 140MB Oct 02 08:06:14 Bernardo: currently. i'm setting up my whole ipv6 network :-) Oct 02 08:06:37 it hasn't been tuned at all Oct 02 08:06:42 benoit: haven't even started looking at ipv6 yet Oct 02 08:06:59 Bernardo: i got two connections already ... however, my network is quite complex. Oct 02 08:07:03 right now all I want is to start building openzaurus with oe again Oct 02 08:07:26 well, mine has a dmz, a wifi area, and a internal lan... Oct 02 08:07:35 I really think there are at least two main markets... Debian (easy, big and older), OE (harder, smaller, in-flux) Oct 02 08:07:41 Bernardo: i got a lot more :-) Oct 02 08:08:04 Bernardo: and ipv6 should be the answer to accces all my machine anywhere in the world :-) Oct 02 08:08:11 gs_ :) Oct 02 08:10:02 hey NAiL ! Oct 02 08:11:13 koen btw the Sandisk ultras are ~50-60 for 512MB and they run at 10MBs, I haven't played with the Extereme's that run at 20MBs Oct 02 08:11:42 * gs_ needs to fire up the debian slug and hdparm that thing there Oct 02 08:12:18 it's also only ~100 for a 2G microdrive Oct 02 08:13:00 they are way slower though.... Oct 02 08:13:35 * koen looks at his 1G e3 card Oct 02 08:13:47 e3 card ? Oct 02 08:13:53 extreme 3 Oct 02 08:13:56 AH... Oct 02 08:14:08 yeah I got that after hit return :) Oct 02 08:14:23 have you run that on the slug at all ? Oct 02 08:15:10 when I switch usb2 adapters I could drive media rates from my P4 to the devices Oct 02 08:15:32 3.4MB for the microdrive and ~10 for the Ultra Oct 02 08:16:19 koen is the e3 for a camera or computer app ? Oct 02 08:16:30 camera Oct 02 08:17:20 it's a great time to be a geek :) Oct 02 08:22:05 how does it perform in the cf slot? Oct 02 08:28:36 hi folks Oct 02 08:28:38 hey mickeyl Oct 02 08:28:49 hi mickeyl Oct 02 08:30:20 hey mickeyl Oct 02 08:30:24 morning kergoth Oct 02 08:30:29 hey Oct 02 08:30:32 hey kergoth Oct 02 08:30:58 hi kergoth Oct 02 08:31:56 yo kergie Oct 02 08:41:15 hi mickeyl Oct 02 08:41:22 morning kergoth Oct 02 08:44:21 mickeyl: As a BT guru, did you see my BT class 'bug' - am I going mad, or does that make sense? Oct 02 08:44:29 class bug? Oct 02 08:44:37 can you point me to a bug number? Oct 02 08:44:56 Bug 363 Oct 02 08:44:58 363 Oct 02 08:46:14 d'oh Oct 02 08:46:36 * mickeyl checks back with his BT standard explanation book Oct 02 08:46:49 https://www.bluetooth.org/foundry/assignnumb/document/baseband Oct 02 08:47:10 nono Oct 02 08:47:11 What I said is not strictly true - the two LSbits can be non-zero, but that means a different format number, and there's only one in use atm Oct 02 08:47:15 books rule, Oct 02 08:47:18 web sucksz Oct 02 08:48:29 *sigh* ~lart books Oct 02 08:48:34 hehe Oct 02 08:48:46 full text search is lacking ;) Oct 02 08:49:41 index? ;) Oct 02 08:51:16 lets change the 2 to a 0 Oct 02 08:51:21 mickeyl: wait for OLED based ebooks Oct 02 08:51:43 and convince someone to write a shellscript with machines + classes Oct 02 08:53:23 essentially this is a device specific Oct 02 08:53:47 as such it should either be a statically defined (which is bad) or dynamically (which is good) Oct 02 08:53:55 static would mean machine.conf Oct 02 08:54:01 It can be static for a given device though for the most part Oct 02 08:54:19 the problem with static is that we would need different packages then Oct 02 08:54:24 which is kind of backwards Oct 02 08:54:39 better use - like koen said - a script to set it dynamically and build all knowledge into the script Oct 02 08:54:40 can it not be 'patched' at build time? Oct 02 08:54:58 sure it can, but then you end up with different packackes just because the machine class Oct 02 08:55:09 ah, okay Oct 02 08:55:45 so have the script run as postinst or similar and decide what the class should be Oct 02 08:55:51 *nod* Oct 02 08:56:23 i think this is better than creating 10 bluez-utils-hcidconf packages Oct 02 08:56:26 imo Oct 02 08:56:48 yes - I only tend to build for one machine so I'd forgotten about that Oct 02 08:58:34 koen@dominion:/data/build/oe/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine$ ls | grep -v commont | grep -v tune | grep -v zaurus |wc -l Oct 02 08:58:37 55 Oct 02 08:59:05 only 52 when I spell common correct Oct 02 08:59:05 i still think we should move some of the .conf files which are not directly machine configurations into an include directory Oct 02 08:59:18 and name them foo.inc Oct 02 08:59:25 and not litter it with zaurus includes ;) Oct 02 08:59:52 I'll tackle that when I revamp handheld-common stuff by adding tasks Oct 02 09:00:04 like reenoo proposed Oct 02 09:00:26 ~lart reenoo for having always a different opinion than mine Oct 02 09:00:27 * ibot shoves a crumpet down reenoo's throat, happy now?! Huh? Want some JAM with that? for having always a different opinion than mine Oct 02 09:00:27 heh Oct 02 09:03:11 * mickeyl enters relaxing mode by coding a 3d starfield w/ evas Oct 02 09:03:22 I found a link which hrw might find interesting: http://handhelds.org/Compaq/iPAQH3600/Pictures/ Oct 02 09:03:40 it shows ipaqs using TWM 5 years ago Oct 02 09:03:52 the same TWM as pdaX uses :) Oct 02 09:04:03 hehe Oct 02 09:04:29 * mickeyl checks german vote results Oct 02 09:05:06 mickeyl: heh, have you guys still not finished electing a government? Oct 02 09:05:07 I thought those could only have changed if that last region spd would get a 100% Oct 02 09:08:45 pb_: well until the results are not quite right, we will continue ;) Oct 02 09:10:10 pb_: one of the direct candidates in dresden died Oct 02 09:10:20 pb_: so these guys could not cast their vote Oct 02 09:10:37 ah, I see Oct 02 09:13:33 hmm no results until 21:00 MET Oct 02 09:13:44 not that it would matter anyway... Oct 02 09:13:50 wow M$ is innovative, Office "12" can create PDFs... Oct 02 09:14:49 what was it, 30k searches a month on msn search about pdfs and office Oct 02 09:15:04 lol Oct 02 09:15:22 hey , copywrite violation Oct 02 09:15:39 like to see someone tell ballmer that Oct 02 09:15:53 watch him pop an artery Oct 02 09:16:03 or his head explodes Oct 02 09:16:06 :) Oct 02 10:59:33 Can I talk about pivot_root and /linurc giving me trouble in this channel?? Oct 02 10:59:56 even better, and I ask for assistance in here for that? Or is it off topic? Oct 02 11:01:15 #openzaurus is the right place to ask for help with your Z Oct 02 11:01:24 $familiar I assume for ipaqs.... Oct 02 11:02:22 k Oct 02 11:06:00 night all Oct 02 11:29:25 * chouimat|afk is away: pub and grocery store Oct 02 12:10:30 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r4775c80a... 10/: Oct 02 12:10:30 freeze, unfreeze: look for auto.conf as well as local.conf Oct 02 12:10:30 This matches new more recent nslu2 'master makefile' which, by default, Oct 02 12:10:30 does not create local.conf, so freeze/unfreeze fail to find it and put Oct 02 12:10:30 the frozen files in the first directory on the BBPATH (which happens now Oct 02 12:10:31 to be the package directory and therefore does nothing.) Oct 02 12:41:14 ah koen|away went away :( Oct 02 12:41:28 was wondering if anyone played with zgcc yet? Oct 02 12:41:53 if it works it would be nice to use Oct 02 13:32:27 zecke, you layed with ZGCC ? Oct 02 13:32:30 played* Oct 02 13:33:08 curious about it's distcc support Oct 02 13:34:03 and an 8Mb c/c++ compiler isnt too shaby either Oct 02 13:34:57 emte: no Oct 02 13:35:06 :( Oct 02 13:35:11 you know if anyone has? Oct 02 13:36:47 uses the old 2.95.2 gcc tho as a base Oct 02 13:37:07 to be expected tho since is for the zaurus Oct 02 13:41:02 hello all Oct 02 13:44:32 hey Oct 02 13:46:48 I ve got a problem compiling an image with openembedded ... when i do a bitbake "opie-image" i get " cannot open CVS/Entries.og: Permission denied" from CVS checkout of handhelds-sa-2.6-2.6.12-hh0+cvs20051002 ... when i checkout by hand it works without problems ... has anybody an idea Oct 02 13:47:13 cvs is inherently flakey Oct 02 13:48:15 how many times did you try? Oct 02 13:48:25 it may have simply been a connection timeout Oct 02 13:48:34 sorry ... i am new to openembedded ... and to irc ... when i m doing something wrong please warn me Oct 02 13:49:06 I think i tried it 10 times or more Oct 02 13:49:13 hmm Oct 02 13:49:50 the stupid thing is ... i can get all files without problem by using native cvs Oct 02 13:50:05 yeah thats not uncommon Oct 02 13:50:31 usually its the sf cvs that gives the most problems Oct 02 13:51:10 no this is the cvs at handhelds.org Oct 02 13:51:18 bth why are you using today's cvs? Oct 02 13:51:23 btw* Oct 02 13:52:01 in general cvs for core elements is discouraged Oct 02 13:53:04 sa kernel ... hmm you are aware i hope that not everything works for that kernel Oct 02 13:53:35 its only fairly recently that it even became bootable Oct 02 13:53:59 ok ... thats new for me ... Oct 02 13:54:33 i simply want an image for simpads Oct 02 13:54:34 especially for sa, there are not a lot of people who want to write drivers for a depreciated device Oct 02 13:55:08 simpads use sa? Oct 02 13:55:42 btw i only know about the issues for ipaq Oct 02 13:55:55 i (unfort) cant afford a simpad Oct 02 13:56:37 http://opensimpad.org/wiki/ Oct 02 13:56:41 sorry as i said ... im new to opensimpad ... perhaps this kernel was included when i set my machine type and opensimpad-0.9.0 as distro Oct 02 13:56:42 have you been to that link? Oct 02 13:56:54 yeah it may have been Oct 02 13:57:07 or it will cqall that one if no kernel is set Oct 02 13:57:11 call* Oct 02 13:57:38 by default BB will build the latest package version Oct 02 13:57:50 which may or may not work Oct 02 13:58:29 is there a version known to work? Oct 02 13:58:53 or is it perhaps better to start with building an ipaq image ... Oct 02 13:59:15 then I'll try the simpad later Oct 02 13:59:18 http://opensimpad.org/wiki/index.php/Docs/BuildingCustomImages Oct 02 13:59:25 just reqading for taht myself Oct 02 13:59:39 i dont think mickeyl is arround right now Oct 02 14:00:32 heh Oct 02 14:00:51 emte: that page is referring to *buildroot* Oct 02 14:00:52 but this method doesnt use openembedded? does it? Oct 02 14:01:01 no, it doesn't Oct 02 14:01:29 http://opensimpad.org/wiki/index.php/Docs/HomePage Oct 02 14:01:35 no? Oct 02 14:02:11 well that shows how much i know about it :) Oct 02 14:02:21 right Oct 02 14:02:34 reenoo_, you know which simpad images might currently work? Oct 02 14:02:51 no Oct 02 14:03:27 there's a whole slew of bugs about opensimpad in bugzilla Oct 02 14:03:35 schluppi, you might be best off to wait until one of the simpad devels are awake then Oct 02 14:03:46 or ask koen Oct 02 14:04:02 i would but i am pretty sure i am still on his ignore list Oct 02 14:04:08 koen, i love you Oct 02 14:04:19 * zecke hugs ignore lists Oct 02 14:04:28 lol Oct 02 14:04:29 and killfiles Oct 02 14:04:37 ~praise killfiles Oct 02 14:04:39 All hail killfiles! Oct 02 14:04:47 for me as beginner it seems to be better starting with somthing known to work ... Oct 02 14:04:49 killfiles are ignore lists for emails? Oct 02 14:04:53 ~botsnack Oct 02 14:04:53 reenoo_: aw, gee Oct 02 14:04:59 koen: correct Oct 02 14:05:59 * zecke reinstalls his work slave... Oct 02 14:06:18 anyone tried the arm-gnu compiler? Oct 02 14:06:19 so far thanks for your help ... I think ill try to build an ipaq image first Oct 02 14:16:57 Anyone know what the standard partition split on a C860 is? Oct 02 14:31:01 goodnight Oct 02 14:41:16 * chouimat|afk is back. Oct 02 14:42:36 mm what fun ... Oct 02 14:44:31 lets update and then i'll mangle Oct 02 14:52:15 damn if I just could use quilt to make it run on OS X Oct 02 14:53:46 ? Oct 02 14:54:17 emte: there are applications that are not POSIX.3 compatible Oct 02 14:54:23 playing with the gnu-csl tools myself :) Oct 02 14:54:27 one of them is quilt Oct 02 14:54:29 ah Oct 02 14:54:57 yeah i am curious how much of OE will build threaded Oct 02 14:57:23 or if it will even help performance Oct 02 15:38:49 where to find how to set up an bitbake.conf for building a gpe image on Sharp Zaurus "spitz" c3000 hardware? Oct 02 15:41:07 jnc: the OE wiki? (GettingStarted) Oct 02 15:42:22 zecke: i'm there, i keep missing it Oct 02 15:42:23 hm Oct 02 15:44:21 oh, here's some stuff i missed Oct 02 15:46:25 zecke: nope, i don't see a mention of bitbake.conf Oct 02 15:47:49 zecke: hi Oct 02 15:56:52 jnc: most likely because you shouldn't mess with bitbake.conf Oct 02 15:57:04 ohhh Oct 02 15:57:10 then i did miss something Oct 02 15:58:13 what makes you think you need to? GettingStarted doesnt mention it for a reason Oct 02 15:58:57 i think when i missed a step, there was a message complaining about bitbake.conf not being there, even though it is there. Oct 02 15:59:05 so... i will try this process again Oct 02 15:59:32 jnc: well do you have a BBPATH set? Oct 02 16:01:33 i do now :0 Oct 02 16:01:47 there is another message about psyco missing Oct 02 16:01:51 i'm going to build that package now Oct 02 16:02:52 psyco is optional Oct 02 16:06:11 hmm. maybe i'm missing python or something. i will continue to build psyco and all its deps will also install Oct 02 16:06:16 then i will try again Oct 02 16:10:08 psyco was segfaulting on me...coulda just been my computer though... Oct 02 16:10:16 just a word of warning, thats all Oct 02 16:16:57 c/codegen.h:19:3: error: #error "sorry -- I guess it won't work like that on 64-bits machines" Oct 02 16:17:12 thanks psyco Oct 02 16:17:13 * jnc stabs the life out of psyco Oct 02 16:17:53 jnc, ya, psyco is kinda a pain in my experience... Oct 02 16:32:43 hey, when bitbake is parsing the bb files, it gives me this error: Oct 02 16:32:44 ERROR: while parsing /oe/org.openembedded.oz354fam083/packages/cvs/cvs_1.12.8.bb Oct 02 16:32:53 is anyone else getting that? Oct 02 16:35:15 LoDown: what version of bitbake? Oct 02 16:47:05 ERROR: no files to build. Oct 02 16:47:09 what did i miss? Oct 02 16:47:17 i wanted to do 'bitbake gpe-image' Oct 02 16:47:37 ignoring the complaint about Psyco JIT Compiler not being there, i am missing something else Oct 02 16:48:30 1.3.2.1 Oct 02 17:04:53 Disconnect: ping Oct 02 17:06:31 'night all Oct 02 17:15:32 zecke: what you up to at this hour? Oct 02 17:18:14 * france is back (gone 44:44:59) Oct 02 17:21:49 mithro: I'm fighting with quilt Oct 02 17:22:06 whats wrong with it? Oct 02 17:22:23 mithro: does not work on none GNU systems Oct 02 17:22:32 couldn't you try patcher :P Oct 02 17:23:09 mithro: well I did, but patcher is insane (more than quilt) Oct 02 17:23:40 he he Oct 02 17:23:46 why doesn't it work? Oct 02 17:24:17 uses gnu specific functions? Oct 02 17:27:31 patcher.py -i foo -f Oct 02 17:27:43 does not even mention the files not being applied :( Oct 02 17:29:32 might be easier to patch patcher than to fix quilt ;) Oct 02 17:29:47 what you doing up mickeyl Oct 02 17:29:53 good question Oct 02 17:29:55 insomnia Oct 02 17:31:10 ahh coming to Linux Kongress then :P Oct 02 17:31:21 heh Oct 02 17:31:50 s/ :P/? :P/ Oct 02 17:33:20 hmm dunno. Oct 02 17:33:33 Wasn't in Hamburg for a lot of years Oct 02 17:34:13 we should have an OE get together there ;P Oct 02 17:34:34 yeah, it'd be nice, but it's 4 hours travelling from Frankfurt Oct 02 17:36:22 and the real problem is it's in the last week before semester starts. I don't think my prof. will let me go in this week Oct 02 17:36:30 too many things to prepare :/ Oct 02 17:36:55 say it's educational and he should go too :P Oct 02 17:37:48 hmm the program friday looks good Oct 02 17:37:57 4 hours isn't to bad :P Oct 02 17:37:59 kboot talk, union mount talk Oct 02 17:38:18 *sigh* Oct 02 17:38:20 * mickeyl ponders Oct 02 17:38:31 you will be there? Oct 02 17:38:33 zecke? Oct 02 17:38:38 anyone else from here? Oct 02 17:38:40 i'll be there Oct 02 17:38:57 * mithro pokes zecke Oct 02 17:43:15 oh hey, bitbake is working. Oct 02 17:43:24 * jnc glares at bitbake config files Oct 02 17:43:47 please read the above as, "oh look at that, user realized he is a moron" Oct 02 17:44:10 everything will be o-kay Oct 02 17:44:21 * zecke checks the pulse and declares deaths... Oct 02 17:44:28 * jnc :) Oct 02 17:44:36 mithro: is it during the week? Oct 02 17:45:00 sadly yes Oct 02 17:45:55 Monday till Friday Oct 02 17:46:07 can do anything from 1 to 4 days Oct 02 17:46:20 we could get together on the Sat after Oct 02 17:47:08 opps i fly out on the Sat Oct 02 17:48:01 Arrive the 8th and fly back on the 15th - both Sats Oct 02 17:49:19 * mickeyl installs the MS Platform SDK and feels kind of dirty Oct 02 17:49:55 mickeyl: why? :P Oct 02 17:50:56 why the install or why the dirty ? Oct 02 17:51:11 Tick-less Idle CPUs for Virtualization and Power Management by Srivatsa Vaddagiri also looks intresting Oct 02 17:51:18 mickeyl: the first one :P Oct 02 17:51:22 hehe Oct 02 17:51:27 i'm playing with JUCE Oct 02 17:51:28 ~juce Oct 02 17:51:30 it has been said that juce is a very promising portable C++ class library for MacOS, Win32, and Linux/X11. See http://www.rawmaterialsoftware.com/juce/ Oct 02 17:56:13 well i should go to bed Oct 02 17:56:17 g'night Oct 02 17:58:09 cya Oct 02 17:58:15 mickeyl: I think I need to pass :( Oct 02 17:58:34 zecke: money? work? Oct 02 17:58:39 no time,no money,both? Oct 02 17:58:46 time Oct 02 17:58:53 actually this time, 'time' Oct 02 18:01:32 * mithro sends an email to the oe list to see if anyone else is intrested Oct 02 18:15:41 *yawn* Oct 02 18:15:42 g'night all Oct 02 19:03:23 night Oct 02 19:14:41 brrr... bitbake failed to build gpe-image Oct 02 19:14:46 | checking for main in -lm... configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES. Oct 02 19:15:04 ...NOTE: Task failed: /home/jnc/opensource/openzaurus/build/tmp/work/gcc-cross-4.0.0-r1/temp/log.do_compile.10205 Oct 02 19:21:26 i may have missed some -image's Oct 02 19:21:29 will try again Oct 02 19:23:12 nope, it's failed again Oct 02 19:25:42 http://fr.pastebin.ca/raw/22472 Oct 02 19:51:58 * france is away: Away Oct 02 20:25:16 shouldn't um, gpe-image require the respective bootstrap Oct 02 20:25:32 it seems to be building now that i cleaned it out and did as the guide suggested Oct 02 20:31:34 images will build all thier requirments for a bootable image Oct 02 20:31:52 if the image will actually boot is another matter Oct 02 20:36:08 oh Oct 02 20:36:19 i tried before just 'bitbake gpe-image' and it failed with some silly error Oct 02 20:36:51 i'm trying again with a different set of targets, it may be going farther into the build process than before Oct 02 20:36:54 i'm not 100% sure Oct 02 20:39:13 you cant arbitrarily choose combinations Oct 02 20:39:40 you're right Oct 02 20:39:42 it failed again Oct 02 20:39:45 * jnc :( Oct 02 20:39:56 what are you trying to build for? Oct 02 20:40:16 target is openzaurus spitz hardware (Sharp Zaurus c3000) Oct 02 20:40:32 | checking for main in -lm... configure: error: Link tests are not allowed after GCC_NO_EXECUTABLES. Oct 02 20:40:33 okay so choose spitz Oct 02 20:40:37 and opie Oct 02 20:40:43 ... NOTE: Task failed: /home/jnc/opensource/openzaurus/build/tmp/work/gcc-cross-4.0.0-r1/temp/log.do_compile.8017 Oct 02 20:40:47 opie? Oct 02 20:40:54 i want gpe Oct 02 20:41:01 i dont think gpe will build for zaurus Oct 02 20:41:05 oh Oct 02 20:41:19 what does the wikisay for OZ? Oct 02 20:42:00 it suggested something like "bitbake bootstrap-image opie-image pivotboot-image" Oct 02 20:42:17 why would the gcc-cross fail make a difference for opie or gpe? Oct 02 20:43:00 i haven't tried "bitbake bootstrap-image opie-image pivotboot-image" Oct 02 20:43:06 i am wrong gpe builds for some Oct 02 20:43:26 it wouldnt Oct 02 20:43:40 your choice of arch or distro is probably wrong Oct 02 20:43:56 * jnc reads conf/local.conf Oct 02 20:45:12 MACHINE = "spitz" ; TARGET_OS = "linux" ; DISTRO = "openzaurus" ; KERNEL_VERSION = "2.6" ; IMAGE_FSTYPES = "jffs2 tar" Oct 02 20:45:24 i left the ARCH commented out Oct 02 20:46:25 DISTRO = "openzaurus"bad you Oct 02 20:46:28 oh Oct 02 20:46:30 thats wrong Oct 02 20:46:38 :( Oct 02 20:46:43 should it be openzaurus-core ? Oct 02 20:46:53 try a valid version number Oct 02 20:47:20 i don't understand :/ Oct 02 20:47:22 if you want cutting edge (and possibly broken) its 3.5.3 Oct 02 20:47:47 DISTRO = "3.5.3" Oct 02 20:47:52 is that what i want? Oct 02 20:48:03 no Oct 02 20:48:07 think a bit more Oct 02 20:48:17 you still need to say which distro Oct 02 20:48:22 DISTRO_VERSION="3.5.4-jnc20051001" bitbake bootstrap-image gpe-image pivotboot-image Oct 02 20:48:23 3.5.3 isnt a distro. its a version number Oct 02 20:48:30 i was doing that for the build which failed Oct 02 20:48:40 openzaurus-3.5.3 Oct 02 20:49:37 hey kergoth Oct 02 20:49:44 how goes your sunday? Oct 02 20:49:55 eh, its a sunday Oct 02 20:49:56 ~sunday Oct 02 20:49:58 lol Oct 02 20:49:58 Sunday sucks, because tomorrow is monday (See monday). Also, sunday is the day we do all the stuff we should've done Saturday, but didn't. Oct 02 20:50:04 ~botsnack Oct 02 20:50:04 thanks, kergoth Oct 02 20:50:14 actually i think tuesday is the worst day of eth week Oct 02 20:50:33 emte: not openzaurus-3.5.4 ? Oct 02 20:50:39 your not 1/2 done and its not close to the end of a bad weekend Oct 02 20:50:52 does 3.5.4 even exist yet? Oct 02 20:51:13 well, 3.5.3 does Oct 02 20:51:25 ofcourse 3.5.3 does Oct 02 20:51:30 i looked it up Oct 02 20:51:45 i'm used to developing on the next version Oct 02 20:51:47 on http://www.openzaurus.org incidently Oct 02 20:51:56 3.5.3 is in devel Oct 02 20:52:03 it hasnt been released that i know of Oct 02 20:52:10 no kidding! i thought it had Oct 02 20:52:19 * jnc goes "huh." Oct 02 20:53:05 kergoth, you played with the codesorcery glibc+gcc ? Oct 02 20:53:14 not since i was at ti Oct 02 20:53:27 the release notes are up for 3.5.3 Oct 02 20:53:29 was it threaded then? Oct 02 20:53:39 how is that not... released. Oct 02 20:53:44 * jnc scratches head Oct 02 20:55:15 http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OpenZaurusReleaseNotes Oct 02 20:55:24 the images are still in unstable Oct 02 20:55:38 a release is normally stable is it not? Oct 02 20:56:16 normal and openzaurus are not related topics Oct 02 20:56:17 ;) Oct 02 20:56:33 sure they are Oct 02 20:56:39 sharp on the otherhand ... Oct 02 20:56:44 heh heh Oct 02 20:57:17 okay so now that's cleared up, i wasn't understanding that "unstable release" would be a dynamic target to build Oct 02 20:57:38 i thought it would mean a snapshot of xyz code at some point in the development process Oct 02 20:58:14 my assumption was that building target foo-1.2.3 builds foo-1.2.3 and nothing changes from the foo-1.2.3 release on foo website Oct 02 20:58:19 that is probably acurate as well Oct 02 20:58:29 openzaurus-[version] DISTRO is a snapshot indeed. openzaurus is floating, or it least it used to be Oct 02 20:59:27 so.... how do i build the new stuff, including 2.6.x kernel and incorporating possible E17 and GPE improvements, is my question? Oct 02 20:59:48 is that DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.3" Oct 02 20:59:51 interesting ... Oct 02 21:00:12 i see all the distro-[version] were altered to single version(?) Oct 02 21:00:26 how do you build for legacy now? Oct 02 21:00:27 * jnc *confused* Oct 02 21:01:08 just looking at distros in my new pull now that its done Oct 02 21:01:29 and i wouldnt say anything in e17 is an improvemnet Oct 02 21:02:28 the state of 2.4.x kernel on Zaurus c3000 hardware is alternating between broken and posessed by demon with intent to frustrate the user Oct 02 21:02:37 there ya go Oct 02 21:02:43 lol Oct 02 21:02:52 so, i'm going for the new stuff and develop that into something useable Oct 02 21:02:52 is 2.6 any better? Oct 02 21:02:54 yeah Oct 02 21:03:03 they had to re-write all the code from the lineo crap Oct 02 21:03:10 so, it's more appropriate Oct 02 21:03:14 less goto's Oct 02 21:03:17 thank god Oct 02 21:03:42 i think assembler hardcores at lineo wrote the 2.4.x embeddix code for sharp Oct 02 21:03:46 btw as of 10 min ago you only have one distro choice Oct 02 21:03:50 oh Oct 02 21:03:55 i should update i guess Oct 02 21:03:59 openzaurus-3.5.4.conf Oct 02 21:04:07 10 min is for me Oct 02 21:04:14 i hadnt updated for a week Oct 02 21:04:28 so it depends when you last updated Oct 02 21:04:37 where would that file be? i can check if it exists Oct 02 21:05:06 /conf/distro/ Oct 02 21:05:10 got it Oct 02 21:05:22 so what is wrong with using openzaurus as the distro exactly? Oct 02 21:05:28 without Oct 02 21:05:35 it no longer exists Oct 02 21:05:48 oh there is no openzaurus.conf for your pull? Oct 02 21:05:48 that dir shows availible distros Oct 02 21:05:54 not anymore Oct 02 21:06:01 got it. i need to update tehn Oct 02 21:06:03 just the generic .inc Oct 02 21:06:06 s/tehn/then/ Oct 02 21:12:10 emte: my pull is up to date and has a /conf/distro/openzaurus.conf Oct 02 21:12:21 are you very sure there is no openzaurus.conf? Oct 02 21:19:39 any OSX usb or firewire sniffer out there? Oct 02 21:20:17 AvengerMoJo: yes. where, i don't know Oct 02 21:20:29 you might ask the FreeBoB guys Oct 02 21:21:21 they had a lot of crap to do in order to make IEEE1394 BeBob-based chipset audio interfaces work with GNU/Linux systems Oct 02 21:21:43 i would presume packet capture is one of those things Oct 02 21:21:45 :) FreeBoB? Oct 02 21:21:51 yeppers Oct 02 21:21:56 http://freebob.sf.net/ Oct 02 21:22:11 thanks Oct 02 21:22:54 if you're skilled with Firewire and programming, I'd love to support someone developing hardware drivers for Echo Audio Audiofire12 Oct 02 21:22:56 asusoe.conf openslug-packages.conf Oct 02 21:22:57 colinuxoe.conf openzaurus-3.5.4.conf Oct 02 21:22:57 familiar-0.8.3.conf openzaurus.inc Oct 02 21:22:57 familiar-distro.conf preferred-e-versions.inc Oct 02 21:23:03 i am pretty sure Oct 02 21:23:25 * jnc curses at computer Oct 02 21:23:36 emte: so which one is correct, eh? Oct 02 21:23:44 openzaurus-3.5.4.conf Oct 02 21:23:52 would be my only option Oct 02 21:24:04 if i owned a zaurus that is Oct 02 21:24:44 jnc@baker:~/opensource/openzaurus/org.openembedded.dev/conf/distro$ echo $(ls -1 | sort) Oct 02 21:24:47 asusoe.conf colinuxoe.conf familiar-0.8.3.conf familiar.conf freeze.conf generic.conf jlime.conf maemo-1.0.conf maemo-preferred.inc nylon.conf openmn.conf openomap.conf opensimpad-0.9.0.conf opensimpad.conf openslug.conf openslug-native.conf openslug-native-packages.conf openslug-packages.conf openzaurus-3.5.4.conf openzaurus.conf preferred-e-versions.inc preferred-gpe-versions-2.6.inc preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc preferred-gpe-versions.inc Oct 02 21:25:15 i *just* updated it. maybe it's different Oct 02 21:25:36 if i pulled, updated, would it delete a file that did not exist anymore? Oct 02 21:39:59 is there any image scaling tool in ipkg? Oct 02 21:50:49 o_O Oct 02 21:50:58 you might look for a build of imagemagick Oct 02 23:08:38 gahh Oct 02 23:08:43 kernel is too big for spitz Oct 02 23:08:45 what's that about Oct 02 23:14:22 jnc: you know any build out there ? Oct 02 23:14:30 jnc: too big? Oct 02 23:14:35 yeah. Oct 02 23:14:50 jnc: it gets limit.... forget which file it is in Oct 02 23:14:55 the message was the kernel is too big fo c7x0 Oct 02 23:15:12 i look, and it's checking against the whole PXA line Oct 02 23:15:17 jnc: how big is your current kernel size? Oct 02 23:15:25 spitz, corgi... Oct 02 23:15:46 ls arch/arm/boot/Image -s | cut -d ' ' -f 1 Oct 02 23:15:46 2576 Oct 02 23:15:53 I'm using spitz myself Oct 02 23:16:12 i have spitz hardware Oct 02 23:16:16 i want the 2.6.x kernel Oct 02 23:16:23 why would this be too big? Oct 02 23:16:54 jnc: one sec Oct 02 23:17:16 'bitbake bootstrap-image gpe-image pivotboot-image' is the command i am running Oct 02 23:17:25 it is from a recent pull yesterday Oct 02 23:17:51 1.3M Sep 25 03:41 zImage-2.6.14-rc1-spitz-20050924184032.bin Oct 02 23:17:59 my is only 1.3 .... Oct 02 23:18:10 that is zImage though, mine is producing Image Oct 02 23:18:13 so strange Oct 02 23:18:21 oh Oct 02 23:18:43 is the local.conf specify the image ....let me check Oct 02 23:19:42 jnc: that should do ... what is your distribution? Oct 02 23:19:51 I use this DISTRO = "openzaurus-3.5.4" Oct 02 23:19:54 i will post my local.conf Oct 02 23:20:10 http://pastebin.com/381347 Oct 02 23:21:07 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * rbd82d85b... 10/: (log message trimmed) Oct 02 23:21:08 ixp4xx, ixp425-eth: add Intel Access Library 2.0, ethernet driver 1.4 Oct 02 23:21:08 NOTE: to use these you must pin ixp4xx-csr, ixp-oxal and ixp400-eth. Oct 02 23:21:08 The name of the ethernet driver changes with this commit - it is now Oct 02 23:21:08 ixp400-eth, not ixp425-eth - changes are required in systems which need Oct 02 23:21:08 to use the ethernet driver and these changes are *not* in this commit. Oct 02 23:21:10 The things to change are the image (which must now depend on ixp400-eth) Oct 02 23:22:55 they are the same Oct 02 23:22:57 :( Oct 02 23:23:08 so the image won't build ? Oct 02 23:23:28 I mean .. it won't make a zImage Oct 02 23:25:35 beats the crap out of me Oct 02 23:25:38 it is not working Oct 02 23:26:13 the only thing that is different from my and yours is TARGET_ARCH = "arm" Oct 02 23:26:20 but I don't think that make a different Oct 02 23:26:26 interesting Oct 02 23:26:31 you get your image in deploy? Oct 02 23:26:48 i'm going to try running the thing i had again Oct 02 23:26:52 i don't know why Oct 02 23:26:55 it will fail Oct 02 23:26:56 also ... Oct 02 23:27:02 where is your tmp? Oct 02 23:27:10 TMPDIR = ${OE_HOME}/build/oetmp Oct 02 23:27:15 oh Oct 02 23:27:21 it's the default build/tmp Oct 02 23:27:27 ok Oct 02 23:27:55 ls build/tmp/deploy/images/ Oct 02 23:27:57 what you get? Oct 02 23:28:22 no such dir Oct 02 23:28:43 oh .... Oct 02 23:29:00 which part you fail? Oct 02 23:29:22 here: http://pastebin.com/381352 Oct 02 23:29:31 I think pivotboot-image should build what you need Oct 02 23:30:26 bitbake bootstrap-image gpe-image pivotboot-image Oct 02 23:30:27 I see Oct 02 23:30:34 that's what i was doing before Oct 02 23:30:38 should i skip bootstrap-image ? Oct 02 23:30:55 I think you can Oct 02 23:31:29 * jnc rm -fr's build/tmp and starts again Oct 02 23:31:32 the image size need to update the configuration of kernel to change...... you can try asking RP Oct 02 23:31:41 he may know more Oct 02 23:31:59 hm Oct 02 23:32:08 is this a bug, or something stupid i'm doing Oct 02 23:34:01 RP: when you get a min, i'm wondering if i should be able to succeed doing "bitbake bootstrap-image" for c3000 openzaurus-3.5.4; it's building plain old Image for a kernel and bailing out because it's bigger than the allowed size for spitz Oct 02 23:34:49 jnc: also ... is C7x0 the machine you are building for? or C3000? Oct 02 23:35:15 AvengerMoJo: the script checks for spitz | collie | ... etc. Oct 02 23:35:21 but it outputs a message for c7x0 Oct 02 23:35:31 my hardware is c3000 (spitz) Oct 02 23:38:10 oh Oct 02 23:38:17 that's not right ... Oct 02 23:38:28 I'm using C3000 also ... Oct 02 23:40:22 i don't know man, this is tough for me to be learning in one sitting Oct 02 23:40:23 heh Oct 02 23:44:16 hum ... ask RP when he is back :( sorry I don't know either Oct 03 00:37:01 morning ! Oct 03 00:46:04 AvengerMoJo: failed again Oct 03 01:01:47 jnc: :( Oct 03 01:01:48 sorry Oct 03 01:03:12 AvengerMoJo: you're fine, i meant the build failed again Oct 03 01:03:15 :) Oct 03 01:04:54 right Oct 03 01:06:03 morning Oct 03 01:08:37 hey XorA ! Oct 03 01:16:53 hey alan|gone Oct 03 01:23:22 morning Oct 03 01:23:31 koen|h2200: pics of twm on 3600? :) Oct 03 01:24:14 yo hrw|work Oct 03 01:25:14 kergoth, mickey|zzZZzz: can one of you make me an admin of openzaurus SF project? or atleast give me permissions for Admin/DB settings Oct 03 01:25:29 ibot: botmail help Oct 03 01:25:49 ibot: help botmail Oct 03 01:27:57 ~thx Oct 03 01:27:59 np Oct 03 01:43:32 morning all Oct 03 01:47:49 hi RP Oct 03 01:48:13 someone having problem with C3000 2.6 kernel warning kernel is too big for C7x0 :) Oct 03 01:54:00 it was jnc Oct 03 01:54:10 2h ago Oct 03 01:54:42 AvengerMoJo: They all have the same size limit Oct 03 01:56:24 jnc: Did you modify the defconfig? Oct 03 01:57:17 NOTE: package kdepimpi-x11-2.2.3-r0: task do_compile: started Oct 03 01:57:17 RP: i'll post it on pastebin, 1 sec Oct 03 01:58:11 jnc: You could just answer the question - Did you modify the defconfig? Oct 03 01:58:42 RP: i don't understand the question, sorry Oct 03 01:58:56 def config is config/local.conf? Oct 03 01:59:01 mine is here: http://pastebin.com/381404 Oct 03 01:59:36 jnc: No, there is a defconfig-spitz file which controls which bits of the kernel get build. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, you probably haven't... Oct 03 01:59:44 bingo Oct 03 01:59:47 no idea Oct 03 02:00:31 It should just work then... Oct 03 02:02:49 RP: it appears that the Image is being built and not zImage Oct 03 02:03:13 should i start over and wipe out everything? + do fresh pull? Oct 03 02:04:41 jnc: Which compiler are you using? Oct 03 02:05:03 spitz images work here but I'm still using gcc 3.4.3 rather than 3.4.4 which I think is now the default Oct 03 02:05:08 debian amd64 unstable base host, gcc 4.0.2 (debian 4.0.2-1) Oct 03 02:05:22 jnc: But which cross compiler does OE build? Oct 03 02:05:26 ohh Oct 03 02:05:31 1 sec Oct 03 02:05:55 There will be no zImage file as the .bb wipes it if its too large Oct 03 02:06:12 If its too large, it will damage your handheld so I feel its quite right to remove it. Oct 03 02:06:17 RP: gcc (GCC) 3.4. Oct 03 02:06:22 gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 even Oct 03 02:06:53 ohh okay Oct 03 02:07:05 well the error needs a little love, it should read "your PXA device" Oct 03 02:07:12 not "your c7x0" Oct 03 02:08:00 That's true. It used to only warn for the c7x0 and its a bit of a leftover Oct 03 02:08:55 interesting. so the theory is that gcc 3.4.4 produces too large of an Image? Oct 03 02:09:03 versus 3.4.3 Oct 03 02:09:11 jnc: Its all I can think of... Oct 03 02:09:18 It works under 3.4.3 here... Oct 03 02:09:22 heh... kdepim/pi x11 need the same love which I did for qt/e version months ago (patching .pro files) Oct 03 02:10:41 RP: would i want to tweak it for -Os or something? Oct 03 02:10:44 or maybe not Oct 03 02:11:09 jnc: The only way to deal with it is to remove something from the kernel and have it build as a module Oct 03 02:12:08 that being the case, and gcc 3.4.4 is now the default Oct 03 02:12:14 what's a sane thing to modularize? Oct 03 02:13:48 I'd be tempted to remove nwfpe - koen would kill me or course... Oct 03 02:15:05 FWIW I compiled a Spitz image on Saturday with 3.4.4 and it was fine. Oct 03 02:15:30 Ooooh. Hang on. Oct 03 02:15:58 Maybe it wasn't and I just missed the error, because I can't see the kernel image alongside the opie/gpe images. Oct 03 02:16:17 Ignore me. I'm a fool. Oct 03 02:30:44 hmm, I d/led openembedded a few days ago off of monotone and it appears to refer to a file that is outdated Oct 03 02:30:52 ftp://ftp.uk.linux.org/pub/people/dwmw2/mtd/cvs/mtd-snapshot-20050715.tar.bz2 Oct 03 02:31:06 I'm going to try to fix the port for mtd-utils-native-20050715 Oct 03 02:31:31 * koen points the people in europe to the solar eclipse going on outside Oct 03 02:31:49 koen: its too misty today here Oct 03 02:31:58 * RP can't see it for clouds... Oct 03 02:32:40 too bad Oct 03 02:56:45 kdepimpi-x11 nearly done Oct 03 02:56:54 atleast nearly built Oct 03 02:58:25 <^j^> hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 03 02:59:56 2005