**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 13 02:59:57 2006 Jan 13 03:08:47 greentux: I've never used serial_cs myself Jan 13 03:12:32 RP: Did you booked the hotel yet? Jan 13 03:12:50 Hi Jan 13 03:12:57 since the last update nothing works anymore Jan 13 03:13:07 the system can't download gnu config Jan 13 03:13:52 is this problem already known? Jan 13 03:14:25 Cobelius: Your link http://stuff.intion.de/oe.pdf doesn't work. 404 Not found Jan 13 03:15:27 ohhh Jan 13 03:15:31 fixed it Jan 13 03:16:05 Cobelius: Thx. I'll look at this later Jan 13 03:16:17 okay Jan 13 03:16:40 do13_: No, its in the hands of my boss now. I don't know when he's going to do that :-/ Jan 13 03:19:02 RP: ok. drop me a mail with the hotelname if you booked. Jan 13 03:20:00 do13_: Will do as soon as I know anything Jan 13 03:20:42 Cobelius: What's you error message? Jan 13 03:22:05 http://pastebin.com/503718 Jan 13 03:24:18 Cobelius: You need to remove the savannah cvs files from your DL_DIR Jan 13 03:27:38 I try it Jan 13 03:33:44 still don't work Jan 13 03:34:12 http://pastebin.com/503728 Jan 13 03:35:07 oopp Jan 13 03:35:08 s Jan 13 03:35:12 i found a error Jan 13 03:36:58 okay, here is the error message http://pastebin.com/503729 Jan 13 03:37:35 anyone going to FOSDEM? Jan 13 03:37:54 RP: was a simple setserial baud_base 50400 problem... :) oh that serial! Jan 13 03:38:06 Cobelius: Did you leave files in ${DL_DIR}/cvs/ realted to savannah? Jan 13 03:38:18 greentux: :) Jan 13 03:38:49 no, i deleted the whole directory Jan 13 03:39:24 Is there any option for bitbake to make multiple packages at once, like gnu make's -j? Jan 13 03:39:33 Cobelius: I'm out of ideas then :-/ Jan 13 03:48:27 RP: would it be a job for you to upgrade familiar kernel to 2.6.15? (for using on hx4700)? Jan 13 03:56:07 greentux: Its based on the handheld.org tree. There are two ways to upgrade - one is to upgrade the hh.org tree which is tricky and may cause problems for others. The other is to pull the needed patches out of hh.org. They can then become unmaintainable though :-/ Jan 13 03:56:25 Both are a reasonable amount of work... Jan 13 03:57:01 RP: I think libsm_cvs should have a DEFAULT_PREFERENCE=-1 in it as its non functional but preferred by bitbake since you changed the PV Jan 13 03:57:20 XorA: That sounds reasonable to me Jan 13 03:57:29 Do you want me to add or do you want to? Jan 13 03:58:34 RP: Im happy either way, if youve got a batch ready then stick it in that otherwise Ill do it now Jan 13 03:58:35 greentux: A better solution would be to apply pressure to hh.org's kernel developers to push some of their changes into mainline... Jan 13 03:58:54 If the bulk of code is in mainline, upgrades become so much easier... Jan 13 03:59:22 RP: like the Z kernel... mmh, Jan 13 03:59:48 greentux: Indeed :) Jan 13 03:59:54 RP: who is the "big" maintainer? Jan 13 04:00:41 greentux: There are no "big" ones. Several people have access but nobody has the time to spend on the merging with mainline. They prefer to add features... Jan 13 04:01:09 Todd/Aric Blumer did the hx4700 port but they seem to have moved on to other things now Jan 13 04:04:14 RP: other well supported IPAQs you know? Jan 13 04:05:44 greentux: hx4700 is one of the better ones. I did some work on the hx2750 but it lacks the bootloader that was developed for the 4700 and due to the way the hardware works, developing one won't be as easy... Jan 13 04:13:04 RP: ok... will keep that in mind Jan 13 04:14:15 ok, have to reboot (upgraded my ubuntu)... cu Jan 13 04:15:05 Is it safe to nuke .../tmp/deploy/ipk/morgue/? Jan 13 04:20:23 RP: what are the biggest differences now between openzaurus and openzaurus-unstable? Jan 13 04:27:39 katossi_uni: openzaurus won't give you a working DISTRO. Or do you mean unstable compared to the release branch? Jan 13 04:29:00 no, I meant the wo different distro files Jan 13 04:29:43 before I had openzaurus354 in mi DISTRO variable in local.conf Jan 13 04:29:59 but now I see there are openzaurus and openzaurus-unstable Jan 13 04:34:18 When I want to compile on a x86 machine for a x86 machine Jan 13 04:34:37 how can i configure that to crosscompiler toolchain will be made? Jan 13 04:34:56 So that bitbake and openembedded is using the tools on the build system? Jan 13 04:38:24 Cobelius: Set some approriate ASSUME_PROVIDED lines in your local.conf Jan 13 04:38:47 katossi_uni: openzaurus has always been there. It doesn't set a lot of things you need for a working distro though Jan 13 04:39:26 RP: machine="native" ??? isn't there something? Jan 13 04:39:43 do13_: That doesn't set the assume provided Jan 13 04:40:01 do13_: And probably shouldn't as you can cross compile fomr x86 to x86 :) Jan 13 04:40:15 ok Jan 13 04:40:39 okay and wich packages must be in this line? Jan 13 04:42:33 Cobelius: Offhand, I don't know. presumably the toolchain and glibc are the important ones Jan 13 04:43:06 Could someone please merge the .dev branch? Jan 13 04:43:42 (monotone: misuse: branch org.openembedded.dev has multiple heads) Jan 13 04:43:46 CoreDump|afk: I'll check this Jan 13 04:44:08 Thanks RP =) My key is still b0rked Jan 13 04:44:51 CoreDump|home: It looks merged to me. I was committing at the time so perhaps that was the problem? Jan 13 04:45:02 I'll try again Jan 13 04:45:15 hi liam Jan 13 04:45:35 Hi Liam Jan 13 04:46:19 morning RP, do13 Jan 13 04:46:30 do13: no sign of tosa yet :( Jan 13 04:46:39 ~tosa Jan 13 04:46:41 tosa is probably the Sharp SL-6000 PDA, or a dog (see http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/tosa.htm) Jan 13 04:46:55 do13: although i'm in the office today and it's beeing delivered to my home Jan 13 04:47:05 lrg|home: Bad news Jan 13 04:47:15 RP: I'm replying to boku Jan 13 04:47:51 at least yours wasn't taken by a neighbour on delivery. A neighbour who then leaves germany due to his job for a god damn week =) Jan 13 04:48:34 CoreDump|home: fortunately, my neibours are pensioners and probably would know what it was :) Jan 13 04:48:45 not know Jan 13 04:49:15 heh, my neighbour didn't know that either. He just wanted to "help" but made one hell of a mess of it =) Jan 13 04:50:07 CoreDump|home: or maybe the postaman could steal it, I think he stole my amazon voucher before Christmas. Jan 13 04:50:54 lrg|home: ok, thanks. I don't mind too much but I can see his questions getting worse and worse rather than him doing any learning :-/ Jan 13 04:51:11 do13: I'm now booking my travel for Fosdem. I'll arrive a day early (24th) to meet up with you :) Jan 13 04:52:06 RP: thanks. I'm afraid that's typical customers for you :( Sometimes I think it would be cheaper to send them C for dummies book. Jan 13 04:53:04 lrg|home: I know. I've dealt with the type before :-/ Jan 13 04:55:16 lrg|home: Ok. I'll check this the next days. Jan 13 04:57:27 lrg|home: My boss won't pay the trip :-/ Jan 13 04:57:45 I think matthew is wondering about a flat given the number of OH members going :) Jan 13 04:58:57 stilll don't work Jan 13 04:59:09 bloomin con's Id love to go to, but are outside the scope of the business I work for :-( Jan 13 04:59:10 Am I the only one person who have problems with gnu-config? Jan 13 05:00:09 Cobelius: Few days ago I had the same prob. After wiping the cvs dir there are no problems anymore Jan 13 05:00:12 For OH, it doubles as a company meeting. We don't acutally see each other that often :) Jan 13 05:00:51 * RP has yet to meet some of our new staff... Jan 13 05:01:36 RP how big is OH now. I remember meeting about 5 guys at LinuxWorld Jan 13 05:01:59 lrg|home: 7 now... Jan 13 05:02:34 lrg|home: and how big is wolfson? Jan 13 05:02:58 RP: 7 including your boss? Jan 13 05:03:17 RP: well, at least you have more linux engineers. wolfson has about 250, with 1 linux engineer me Jan 13 05:04:14 do13_: That includes my boss, yes. Jan 13 05:04:27 lrg|home: same here, except there is 60:1 and the 1 is me, now IT manager Jan 13 05:05:31 lrg|home: That depends what you define a Linux engineer as :) Jan 13 05:05:50 XorA: As the only Linux engineer, I'm would say I'm also the Linux manager :) Jan 13 05:06:14 RP: indeed, we have "marketing engineers" ;) Jan 13 05:06:29 lrg|home: I quit Software Engineering as I was driven mad :-) Jan 13 05:08:29 hey hrw Jan 13 05:08:39 hi Marcin Jan 13 05:08:47 hi hrw Jan 13 05:08:49 hi all Jan 13 05:09:00 RP: securityplugins in opie... they have usage Jan 13 05:09:23 RP: small one but has Jan 13 05:09:36 hrw: Not the securityplugins themselves but securityplugins.inc? Jan 13 05:09:46 hrw: Unless its a null package? Jan 13 05:10:11 moment.. Jan 13 05:10:26 hrw: Have a look at the directory at the small files and you'll see what I mean Jan 13 05:11:23 ok Jan 13 05:12:03 hrw: Are you going to FOSDEM? Jan 13 05:12:19 hrw: I should have fixed all the PV's now and put messages on all the ones that require changes next time they're bumped Jan 13 05:12:40 do13_: no. totally no cash for it Jan 13 05:12:56 XorA: I forgot about the libsm change before btw so you may as well push that Jan 13 05:13:03 I'm having problems building task-bootstrap... could someone take a look at http://pastebin.com/503818 ? Jan 13 05:13:27 hrw. Ok. I see the problem Jan 13 05:13:27 RP: now I see Jan 13 05:13:55 zekoZeko, I have the same problem Jan 13 05:14:13 do13_: and I'm going to marry Ania this year so going into fosdem or LCA Embedded Miniconf 2006 is not on the list Jan 13 05:14:45 do13_: probably my trip to Berlin will be moved into other year again Jan 13 05:15:22 zekoZeko: You're using uclibc and gcc4? Nobody has made that combination work together yet as far as I know Jan 13 05:15:48 oh Jan 13 05:15:52 good to know :) Jan 13 05:16:07 hrw: I married 6 years ago. But it isn't easier:) Jan 13 05:16:11 * lrg|home goes to the pub for a liquid lunch. bbl Jan 13 05:16:11 how can i use older gcc? Jan 13 05:16:31 zekoZeko: PREFERRED_VERSION_gcc-cross = "3.4.4" Jan 13 05:17:04 thanks. I'm new at this, I hope my questions aren't too FA :) Jan 13 05:18:46 should I put that in local.conf? Jan 13 05:20:21 openzaurus site stats: Today: 700 hits and 141 unique. - quite nice ;) Jan 13 05:20:36 RP: done Jan 13 05:20:48 XorA: thanks Jan 13 05:21:09 zekoZeko: yes Jan 13 05:24:22 zekoZeko: yes Jan 13 05:26:07 paxl: 'Fix the opie CVS PV changes for the opie packages that don't inherit opie. Also, define SLUGOS_IMAGENAME if not already defined, removing parsing errors.' - could not split int into two changesets? those things are not related to each other... Jan 13 05:26:57 hrw: They were both causing parse errors of the same form actually, but I'll keep separate in future. Jan 13 05:27:56 I've seen some parsing errors... Can I do something about, or not, since I use the jan2006prebreakage revision? Jan 13 05:28:05 RP: ok but from changeset comment it is hard to understand that both are same problem Jan 13 05:28:22 hrw: I could have worded it better :-/ Jan 13 05:29:02 RP: and wrap ~80 column ;) Jan 13 05:31:13 hrw: true :) Jan 13 05:31:46 hey Jan 13 05:31:58 RP: someone want to test 2.6 on borzoi - comment in last post on oz.org Jan 13 05:32:01 hi zecke Jan 13 05:32:40 hrw: I've got 2.6 running on borzoi Jan 13 05:32:59 2.6.15-rc7 Jan 13 05:34:14 NAbyss: I know that you are not the only one. but you sit here so you are rather devel then user kind Jan 13 05:34:25 ah, okies Jan 13 05:34:25 http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/2006/01/09/openzaurus-354-release-plans/ - 14. comment Jan 13 05:35:56 has bitbake got all the bit RP has been working on ? Jan 13 05:37:59 ade|desk: not yet Jan 13 05:38:14 ade|desk: http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/bitbake-rproviders-r11.patch Jan 13 05:38:27 People on r7 probably don't need to upgrade Jan 13 05:38:36 r11? I have r4... Jan 13 05:38:53 is that not 334 ? Jan 13 05:39:00 RP: Is the repo in a sane state to do a pull at present? Jan 13 05:39:05 In .dev Jan 13 05:39:37 Ah, that is revision 334 Jan 13 05:39:41 thanks zecke :) Jan 13 05:39:55 NAbyss: It should be, yes Jan 13 05:40:05 shall i re ask my question then RP ;) Jan 13 05:40:33 ade|desk: The answer is it has Jan 13 05:40:36 RP: did I forget to mention that I comitted the patch? Jan 13 05:41:01 zecke: you did. You mentioned you were going to but not that you'd done it :) Jan 13 05:42:01 so what is still left todo with bitbake and what needs to change in the metadata ? Jan 13 05:42:07 hrw: svn revert the files and upgrade to 334 - there were some useful tweaks since then. We might have to discuss what to do with meta-opie though as I don't think it will do everything you want it to now Jan 13 05:42:42 ade|desk: Now we've done the DEPENDS issue, packaging for staging is next Jan 13 05:43:02 and we need to resolve the debian.bbclass PKG_ and PACKAGES issue Jan 13 05:43:34 meta-sdk doesn't work for example because of that (my workaround it to disable debian.bbclass) Jan 13 05:43:56 (until the above PKG_ issue is fixed) Jan 13 05:44:26 RP: I would prefer to keep BUILD_ALL_DEPS in meta-opie*.bb and remove DEPENDS from opie-image Jan 13 05:44:43 cheers rp Jan 13 05:45:19 hrw: I really don't like the idea of BUILD_ALL_DEPS in meta-opie... Jan 13 05:45:56 hrw: I propose moving the task definitions into task-opie.bb and meta-opie can then have a DEPENDS on all the tasks Jan 13 05:46:07 RP: if I understand correctly the other way is 'bitbake opie* any other needed'? Jan 13 05:46:37 RP: what difference (other then name) would be then between meta-opie and task-opie? Jan 13 05:46:46 bitbake opie* might be an easier solution :) Jan 13 05:47:21 hrw: The idea would be that meta-opie would build a set list of tasks, the tasks themselves being declared in task-opie Jan 13 05:47:47 hrw: What I want to avoid is someone bitbake opie-image having to build every opie package when the image doesn't use them all Jan 13 05:49:22 RP: yep. but then we could finish with task-opie-what-is-in-image.bb, task-opie-rest-which-is-not-in-image.bb, task-qpe.bb when both will replace meta-opie.bb (first two) and meta-opie-all.bb (3rd one) Jan 13 05:50:10 hrw: We don't need multiple task files as the new code is clever about RDEPENDS Jan 13 05:50:40 If something doesn't depend on task-opie-base, the RDEPENDS of task-opie-base don't get built Jan 13 05:50:59 ah.. thats what I missed.. Jan 13 05:51:18 hrw: That isn't true for -r4 but the later patches do this Jan 13 05:51:34 RP: so task-opie.bb would give info what is in tasks (so what is to build) and meta-opie would be to build every task anyway? Jan 13 05:51:45 yes Jan 13 05:51:55 ok. now I understand ;) Jan 13 05:52:10 koen|away: ping Jan 13 05:52:29 RP: so meta-opie.bb would be BUILD_ALL_DEPS=1 + RDEPENDS="all task-opie-*"? Jan 13 05:52:41 hrw: Yes Jan 13 05:52:45 great Jan 13 05:53:23 hrw: Or we call it opie-all or something Jan 13 05:53:36 opie-world? Jan 13 05:53:50 RP: meta-opie like it was from begining... Jan 13 05:53:56 hi greentux Jan 13 05:54:04 hrw: ok :) Jan 13 05:54:48 opie-securityplugin-pin_1.2.1.bb has 5 lines now.. Jan 13 05:54:56 hrw: we can take the depend off opie-image for meta-opie and hence opie-image will only build what it needs to for the image and everyone is happy Jan 13 05:55:13 RP: and thats good thing Jan 13 05:55:38 hrw: yes, I think its a nice improvement :) Jan 13 05:56:02 I still have the Problem that gnu-config can't be downloaded. Any ideas? http://pastebin.com/503729 Jan 13 05:56:06 RP: then same with meta-opie-all -> task-qpe.bb Jan 13 05:56:16 Cobelius: cd CVS_DIR;rm -rf gnu-config Jan 13 05:56:23 hrw: That sounds good. Jan 13 05:56:55 greentux coming reminds me one thing... Jan 13 05:57:22 RMK responded - I will send faulty card to him so he will check what is fscked. Jan 13 05:57:41 hrw: I already tried that Jan 13 05:58:24 and one thing is scary... why british adresses are so many lines? his has 7 of them.. my in Poland is 4: name surname\n street \n city \n country - thats all.. Jan 13 05:59:07 hrw: Do you want to convert meta-opie or should I do it? Jan 13 05:59:11 darcs/git are current again Jan 13 05:59:16 hrw: But it didn't helped Jan 13 05:59:25 hrw: It depends where you live and how much optional information you put in :) Jan 13 05:59:40 Cobelius: did same for gnu-config-native? Jan 13 05:59:42 name\street\city\county\postcode\county Jan 13 05:59:42 Mine has 5 lines Jan 13 05:59:56 country even Jan 13 06:00:31 hrw: postcodes are good as they act as a checksum of the address data contained above it :) Jan 13 06:00:33 Mine has 3 in country and 4 if you send mail from another country Jan 13 06:01:13 Cobelius: just like here in Poland Jan 13 06:01:35 postcode is in the same line as city Jan 13 06:01:37 lrg|home: did the sl6000 arrive yet? Jan 13 06:02:35 maybe this has something to do with the problem that gnu-config can't be downloaded? Jan 13 06:03:50 Cobelius: hmm.. maybe src_uri is fscked.. Jan 13 06:04:13 http://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=4168 Jan 13 06:06:24 Cobelius: fetched here from cvs. you really should look into DL_DIR/cvs/ and remove gnu-config* dirs Jan 13 06:07:05 hrw: I already did that. I deleted the whole download DL_DIR but it didn't helped Jan 13 06:07:59 NOTE: package gnu-config-native-0.1+cvs20050701-r4: task do_fetch: started Jan 13 06:07:59 NOTE: Fetch cvs://anonymous@cvs.sv.gnu.org/cvsroot/config;module=config;method=pserver;date=20050701 Jan 13 06:08:04 NOTE: package gnu-config-native-0.1+cvs20050701-r4: task do_fetch: completed Jan 13 06:08:37 Cobelius: I just removed cvs dir of gnu-config*, removed it from dl_dir and it works. Jan 13 06:08:43 Cobelius: are you firewalled? Jan 13 06:08:48 no Jan 13 06:09:30 RP: wtf ? http://pastebin.ca/36682 Jan 13 06:10:08 Cobelius: then show output of 'monotone head' in your working copy of OE Jan 13 06:11:34 a okay, it works now, I changed the SRC_URI and inserted the line you wrote here Jan 13 06:11:50 Cobelius: so you have very old copy of OE Jan 13 06:12:26 http://pastebin.de/3711 Jan 13 06:12:34 the result of monotone head Jan 13 06:12:47 Cobelius: over 1 month old == antique Jan 13 06:12:53 eb31cfe4a67b9b67d0e4cb99dfd41c4ca0b2490a hrw@openembedded.org 2006-01-13T12:32:19 Jan 13 06:13:34 I used the nslu2 mirror yesterday Jan 13 06:13:41 Cobelius: 1rs rule in most of opensource projects: if something is fscked check in newest version does it was fixed before asking Jan 13 06:13:49 Cobelius: mt pull/merge/update? Jan 13 06:13:55 pull Jan 13 06:14:11 Cobelius: youe MUST use mt update Jan 13 06:14:13 a made the update steps on the homepage Jan 13 06:14:45 Cobelius: pull just get changesets to your local database. update add those changeset to your local copy Jan 13 06:14:51 monotone: already up to date at 30c43de0d10703530b40f3820110767c65fc2a3b Jan 13 06:15:01 I know and i did the Update Jan 13 06:15:20 where are you pulling from ? Jan 13 06:15:32 the mirror of nslu2 Jan 13 06:16:06 i would say its not an uptodate mirror then Jan 13 06:17:24 i'd download the db from ewi and then update that , its the quickest way to get revs from over a month or so Jan 13 06:17:33 okay thank you Jan 13 06:17:41 ~ewi Jan 13 06:17:45 from memory, ewi is ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl - main backup server for OE monotone. Hosts database snapshot: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/OE/OE.db.bz2 Jan 13 06:18:25 and make sure bitbake is at the correct version too Jan 13 06:20:38 hmmm Jan 13 06:20:59 when I try do update from ewi I only get messages like: monotone: warning: discarding revision data packet ea1b1fd1c744adb0b6a3d4bfd0d80654e097fee8 with unmet dependencies Jan 13 06:22:10 Cobelius: then you need to read page listed in topic Jan 13 06:22:14 http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/47/4772.html Jan 13 06:22:53 result of opie-securityplugins cleanup: 13 files changed, 78 insertions(+), 169 deletions(-) Jan 13 06:24:31 is bitbake 1.3.2 also too old? Jan 13 06:25:08 should be ok Jan 13 06:25:28 atleast with prebreakage metadata Jan 13 06:27:24 ade|desk: Your DISTRO in local.conf is probably out of date Jan 13 06:27:45 re Jan 13 06:28:30 hrw: nice work :) Jan 13 06:30:19 RP: if you do not tell it anyone then I can say that I added securityplugins into OE ;) Jan 13 06:31:10 someone was able to build libqpe-opie_cvs.bb? it is not changed since 1.2.1 by fails for me on ewi.. Jan 13 06:31:36 cheers RP Jan 13 06:31:49 hrw: I'll not tell anyone ;-) Jan 13 06:32:19 that was nice times... op2oe tool was great Jan 13 06:33:20 Is libtool-native-1.5.10-r3 known to be broken? Jan 13 06:34:01 Okay I hope I think it will work know Jan 13 06:34:03 thank you Jan 13 06:34:27 is ewi now the main mirror? whats about monotone.vanille.de? Jan 13 06:35:02 RP: pxa_i2c_fixes-r5.patch was pushed mainline? does not apply to git9 Jan 13 06:35:41 it seems gcc 3.4.4 also doesn't like uclibc... it's missing argz.h Jan 13 06:37:11 Re above problem.. http://pastebin.com/503905 Jan 13 06:38:04 hrw: It was merged Jan 13 06:38:31 ok Jan 13 06:38:31 hrw: libqpe-opie_cvs builds for me Jan 13 06:38:48 so again cleaning of tmp Jan 13 06:38:58 pxa2xx_release-r2.patch too? Jan 13 06:39:45 http://pastebin.com/503908 Jan 13 06:40:05 I don't think I've built gcc in last five years.... can I simply disable the java stuff? Jan 13 06:40:21 hrw: yes Jan 13 06:40:26 zekoZeko: you can - look into packages/gcc/ Jan 13 06:40:53 hi koen Jan 13 06:40:56 hey RP Jan 13 06:40:58 koen: hey Jan 13 06:41:07 koen: could you add some german locales on ewi please? Jan 13 06:41:14 zecke: just did :) Jan 13 06:41:19 de.de-utf8 Jan 13 06:41:35 non utf as well? Jan 13 06:41:48 iso1 or iso15? Jan 13 06:42:02 RP: tosa-keyboard-r9.patch looks like applied too (atleast it fails now) Jan 13 06:42:23 hrw: You'd have to ask do13_ ... Jan 13 06:42:44 ok Jan 13 06:42:59 web interface to git is usefull Jan 13 06:43:07 koen: Could you poke monotone.vanille please? It'd be nice to see things on the oe-commits list :) Jan 13 06:43:10 zecke: http://pastebin.com/503912 Jan 13 06:43:24 NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.15+2.6.16-git9-r0: task do_patch: completed Jan 13 06:43:38 RP: I tried to do that wednesday but the OE db is doing strange things Jan 13 06:43:59 koen: thanks... hmm it does not work :( Jan 13 06:44:08 svn: Can't recode string Jan 13 06:44:13 zecke: login + logout ? Jan 13 06:44:35 koen: I don't like the sound of "strange things" :-/ Jan 13 06:44:46 hmm Jan 13 06:45:00 RP: it says the db is locked, easy to fix but not in a hotel using the wifi link of the neighbours Jan 13 06:45:17 koen: ok, fair enough :) Jan 13 06:47:14 zecke: I managed to get a German hooked on vla this week :) Jan 13 06:47:49 RP: if you have a rss reader: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/viewmtn/branch.psp?branch=org.openembedded.dev&rss=1 Jan 13 06:49:07 hrw: tosa-keyboard isn't in mainline yet Jan 13 06:50:49 do13_: and does not apply to 2.6.15-git9 Jan 13 06:51:11 do13_: When you come to push that, send it to Dimitry Jan 13 06:51:23 koen: hehe, but that was an easy one? Jan 13 06:51:49 zecke: what do yoou think about task-opie-games-hires which will contain only those opie games which look/behave good on vga+ machines? Jan 13 06:52:21 zecke: too easy :) Jan 13 06:52:40 RP: Dimitry?? Jan 13 06:52:52 do13_: The new input system maintainer Jan 13 06:53:42 Dimitry Torokhov Jan 13 06:53:46 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rab345d02... 10/packages/meta/meta-opie.bb: Jan 13 06:53:48 meta-opie: removed usbutils from DEPENDS as nothing in OPIE use it. Jan 13 06:53:50 - machines with USB Host function should depend on it in their machine config. Jan 13 06:53:52 - this also helps to not get bluez depend on libusb which depend on libstc++ Jan 13 06:53:54 taken from .dev Jan 13 06:54:05 heh Jan 13 06:54:11 RP: fixed Jan 13 06:54:19 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r1819e7c9... 10/packages/ixp4xx/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Jan 13 06:54:19 koen: thanks :) Jan 13 06:54:21 ixp4xx-csr: add support for the RTL8201CP in NSLU2 in ixp4xx-csr 2.1 Jan 13 06:54:23 - this adds the missing checks for the Realtek 8201 series and Jan 13 06:54:25 thereby removes some unwarranted error messages on boot. Jan 13 06:54:27 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * rbb4ad068... 10/packages/ixp4xx/ (8 files in 2 dirs): ixp4xx-csr: split OE specific makefile patch parts out, correct patch dir names in 2.1 Jan 13 06:54:30 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * ree2252a9... 10/packages/ixp4xx/ (5 files in 3 dirs): ixp-osal, ixp4xx-csr: gcc4 patches in 2.1 Jan 13 06:54:33 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r1b601f0e... 10/packages/ixp425-eth/ (ixp400-eth-1.5/netdev_max_backlog.patch ixp400-eth_1.5.bb): ixp400-eth: gcc4 patch in 1.5 Jan 13 06:54:37 I've just sent a message to oe@ saying the RDEPENDS change should have stabilised... Jan 13 06:54:55 There's going to be quite a flood of messages from CIA :-/ Jan 13 06:54:58 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r68195592... 10/packages/zaurus-updater/zaurus-updater.bb: zaurus-updater: Set PACKAGE_ARCH = MACHINE_ARCH Jan 13 06:55:11 RP: will update git/darcs afterwards Jan 13 06:55:57 cia died Jan 13 06:56:10 NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.15+2.6.16-git9-r0: task do_compile: failed Jan 13 06:56:22 RP: Thx. found it. Jan 13 06:56:36 RP, lrg|home: http://pastebin.com/503927 Jan 13 06:56:42 do13_: He's quite friendly Jan 13 06:57:13 hrw: Looks like there must have been some i2c changes we've fallen fowl of Jan 13 06:57:17 do13: have you read my manual? Jan 13 06:57:46 Cobelius: sorry. not yet Jan 13 06:58:22 k Jan 13 06:59:21 koen: I have rewritten the log now... Jan 13 07:01:49 RP: git9 patch remove lot of .flags = I2C_DF_NOTIFY, Jan 13 07:02:49 RP: only our stuff use it now... tosa-lcd and soc/codecs/wm* Jan 13 07:03:20 quote: I2C_DF_NOTIFY is an i2c_driver flag, using it as an i2c_client flag Jan 13 07:03:20 doesn't make any sense. Jan 13 07:03:24 monotone: read from fd 6 (peer ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl) failed, disconnecting Jan 13 07:04:05 other quote: Just about every i2c chip driver sets the I2C_DF_NOTIFY flag, so we can simply make it the default and drop the flag. If any driver really doesn't want to be notified when i2c adapters are added, that driver can simply omit to set .attach_adapter. This approach is also more robust as it prevents accidental NULL pointer dereferences. Jan 13 07:04:20 Jean Delvare is author of change Jan 13 07:04:35 hrw: ok, we just need to drop the flag then Jan 13 07:05:15 Make I2C_CLIENT_ALLOW_USE the default for all i2c clients. Jan 13 07:05:50 hrw: looks like i2c is missing Jan 13 07:06:00 hrw: I guess they also removed another name field Jan 13 07:06:10 RP: probably Jan 13 07:06:18 lrg|home: Its changes in the i2c core. The new maintainer is tidying up a bit... Jan 13 07:06:33 (which I'm in support of - i2c is a mess) Jan 13 07:06:57 RP: ah. that explans it. i'd better do a git pull before the next patch Jan 13 07:09:39 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r20481d02... 10/packages/dreambox/dreambox-secondstage.bb: dreambox-secondstage/dm7025: update to version 40 Jan 13 07:09:44 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r628750c0... 10/site/mipsel-linux: site/mipsel-linux: add samba required stuff Jan 13 07:09:48 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rf93b238b... 10/packages/meta/dreambox-image.bb: dreambox-image: add samba Jan 13 07:09:55 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rfa1d4a7e... 10/packages/linux/linux-dm7025.bb: linux-dm7025: add pl1 patches Jan 13 07:10:01 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r0315d6ae... 10/packages/enigma/dreamdata.bb: enigma: remove dreamdata plugin Jan 13 07:10:07 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * ree2f9d39... 10/packages/tuxbox/dvbsnoop.bb: dvbsnoop: update to version 2006-01-03 Jan 13 07:10:16 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r79aeb237... 10/packages/sysvinit/ (4 files in 4 dirs): sysvinit/opendreambox: split up inittabs to machine dependent files for dm7020, dm7025 Jan 13 07:10:22 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r87a334b7... 10/packages/linux/linux-dm7020.bb: linux-dm7020: update kernel for dm7020 Jan 13 07:10:28 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rd2f68b18... 10/packages/tuxbox/ (6 files in 2 dirs): tuxbox: upgrade and add some plugins Jan 13 07:10:34 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r56c9bfc6... 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox-1.01/nptl_task.patch busybox_1.01.bb): busybox-1.01: add NPTL support Jan 13 07:10:40 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rb66a1555... 10/packages/enigma/ (7 files in 3 dirs): enigma: upgrade to 20060110 Jan 13 07:11:05 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r9b53ba65... 10/packages/slugimage/ (slugimage-native.bb slugimage.bb): Jan 13 07:11:07 slugimage: put in correct RDEPENDS, kill RDEPENDS on native in 0 Jan 13 07:11:09 - because perl is installed on the build system so native does Jan 13 07:11:11 not require it. Jan 13 07:11:13 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r6635b2f8... 10/ (18 files in 9 dirs): (log message trimmed) Jan 13 07:11:15 slugos-image: remove spurious DEPENDS in conf Jan 13 07:11:17 - this upgrades slugos-image to the new RDEPENDS only Jan 13 07:11:19 world, some missing (R)dependencies are corrected Jan 13 07:11:21 slugos-init: remove virtual/ixp-eth in 0.10 Jan 13 07:11:23 - this stuff is no longer necessary and the modprobe.conf Jan 13 07:11:25 has been moved to the ixp-eth module rather than having Jan 13 07:12:45 RP: NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.15+2.6.16-git9-r0: task do_compile: completed Jan 13 07:13:02 monotone --db=/work/oe.db pull ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl "org.openembedd ed.dev" Jan 13 07:13:02 monotone: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication Jan 13 07:13:02 monotone: connecting to ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl Jan 13 07:13:02 monotone: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused Jan 13 07:13:34 RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/opie-task-meta-image.diff is correct way? Jan 13 07:13:55 RP: ignore meta-opie-all part Jan 13 07:14:09 ops.. w8 Jan 13 07:15:07 RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/opie-task-meta-image-r2.diff is correct Jan 13 07:15:12 NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.15+2.6.16-git9-r0: task do_build: completed Jan 13 07:16:07 ~lart hal support in kde 3.5.0+ Jan 13 07:16:07 * ibot slams hal support in kde 3.5.0+ against a large cement Tux Jan 13 07:17:29 hrw: You need to add an RDEPENDS = "all the stuff in PACKAGES" to meta-opie.bb Jan 13 07:17:49 ok Jan 13 07:18:53 * zecke starts over with svk again... Jan 13 07:18:55 hrw: I'd also like to suggest a cosmetic improvement to task-opie.bb. Jan 13 07:19:09 RP: depends =task-opie, rdepends='all tasks from task-opie'? Jan 13 07:19:14 RP: go ahead Jan 13 07:19:48 instead of having task-opie-xxx = "" and then RDEPENDS_task-opie-xxx = "..." just have the RDEPENDS_task-opie-xxx = "..." Jan 13 07:20:06 ok Jan 13 07:20:10 We used to do it like this as you needed the same info in DEPENDS and RDEPENDS but we don't need that now Jan 13 07:20:27 Yes, your comment above is correct. Jan 13 07:21:21 kernel-image-2.6.15-git9_2.6.15+2.6.16-git9-r0_c7x0.ipk sounds a bit fscked Jan 13 07:21:38 Its not, its intentional :-/ Jan 13 07:21:43 ok Jan 13 07:21:55 Don't blame me for the kernel-image mess... Jan 13 07:22:47 I have 6 kernels here... 2.6.15-rc5-r1 -rc5-r2 2.6.14-git3 2.6.14-rc2-mm1 2.6.15 2.6.15-git9 Jan 13 07:22:51 mess Jan 13 07:22:56 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rf5b13d7c... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: gpe 2.7: update to latest plan Jan 13 07:22:59 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * re3b3c73a... 10/packages/atd/ (files/atd-startup.patch atd_0.70.bb): atd: backport fixes from .dev Jan 13 07:23:25 hrw: I'm trying to be careful with the kernel version naming now... Jan 13 07:23:49 but the kernel-image-${KERNEL_VERSION} package business just confuses the issue :-/ Jan 13 07:24:02 RP: I use 0912 builddir which is so fscked that its good only for building kernels and testing does something builds Jan 13 07:24:52 hrw: You should see my dev dir here. Not cleaned for over 6 months :) Jan 13 07:25:09 I use a fresh dir on my other build machine for proper working images... Jan 13 07:28:02 RP: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/opie-task-meta-image-r3.diff Jan 13 07:29:17 hrw: Looks good to me :) Jan 13 07:30:04 ok. lets try it Jan 13 07:30:12 from scratch it take a bit... Jan 13 07:30:45 my zaurus will get freshest kernel Jan 13 07:31:31 quick run for the hills it's pb_ Jan 13 07:32:55 hi lrg|home ... some news from the sound side? Jan 13 07:33:50 greentux_alt: I'll be doing a patch over the weekend. I've been busy making the core more generic to other codecs. Jan 13 07:33:54 RP: 2.6.15-git9 boots on c760 Jan 13 07:34:14 greentux_alt: I'll do all the i2c changes as well Jan 13 07:34:20 lrg|home: fine. what will the patch improve? Jan 13 07:35:05 greentux_alt: it makes it easier to add new and support other manufacturers codecs. Jan 13 07:35:27 greentux_alt: I might even have time to simplyfy the mixer a bit as well Jan 13 07:35:30 hrw: That's always good to know :) Jan 13 07:35:59 RP: yes for our friend :) Jan 13 07:36:11 upgrading modules Jan 13 07:36:57 lrg|home: thats nice. Jan 13 07:37:14 someone remember does ipkg upgrade to 0.99.155 is recommended or not? Jan 13 07:37:33 hrw: recommended, but untested Jan 13 07:37:38 hrw: it fixes some really nasty bugs Jan 13 07:37:42 greentux_alt: the release after next should contain the better mixer setup and configs Jan 13 07:38:02 hrw: it should go into the release after testing (and passing the tests) Jan 13 07:38:03 lrg|home: no work on tosa this weekend? :-/ Jan 13 07:38:04 koen: ah. I was thinking about 'do we have to add it into branch or not' Jan 13 07:38:43 do13: yes that too. I've got peace and quite this week end so I should get all my stuff done. Jan 13 07:39:15 lrg|home: :) Jan 13 07:39:41 lrg|home: what release number is ist then? 0.12 ? Jan 13 07:39:48 greentux_alt: 0.10 Jan 13 07:40:09 koen: I'm thinking about some polishing of release.. no debug in kernel (users complain about jffs2 messages), few not-needed messages cut (like PCI one in hotplug) etc Jan 13 07:40:21 greentux_alt: I was aiming 0.10 at alsa-kernel, but I'll wait until the mixer stuff is handled better in 0.11 Jan 13 07:40:58 hmm I was thinking that my Z has 3 uarts.. not 4.. Jan 13 07:41:25 hrw: sounds good Jan 13 07:42:14 hrw: pxa255 has 4 Jan 13 07:42:54 hrw: ttyS3 is the HWUART Jan 13 07:43:01 koen: we need to discuss it somewhere.. I once proposed oz-devel but as same changes will go into familiar too then I dont know which way will be best Jan 13 07:43:09 do13_: noticed Jan 13 07:43:42 nand-led roxx Jan 13 07:47:28 hrw: We should really add this handling into OE itself toggled by the debug image option Jan 13 07:47:35 then we don't have to do it in every release branch Jan 13 07:47:50 same goes for the zap-root-passwd thingie Jan 13 07:48:01 yep Jan 13 07:48:08 agreed Jan 13 07:48:28 does opie still need to munge the ipkg feeds? Jan 13 07:48:44 I reverted that locally for familiar Jan 13 07:48:59 as opie shouldn't be altering the base system Jan 13 07:50:29 koen: some users still use opie-aqpkg which is unmaintained and can only parse /etc/ipkg.conf Jan 13 07:50:36 koen: dunno drw's package manager is using libipkg which may still leak Jan 13 07:51:21 hrw: 'unmaintained' ? Jan 13 07:51:35 sounds like that munging code can be deleted Jan 13 07:52:46 koen: unmaintained in a meaning that I dont remember does anyone touched it in last months Jan 13 07:52:48 and *should* be deleted Jan 13 07:53:25 hrw: regardless of that, opie-image may never ever poke around in stuff like that Jan 13 07:54:06 next thing we know opie will replace glibc silently ;) Jan 13 07:54:24 koen: uclibc suits much better Jan 13 07:55:02 people who insist on using aqpkg may write the extra sets of documentation needed to explain why opie needs to be different Jan 13 07:55:25 koen: you know how Free Software works? ;) Jan 13 07:55:58 zecke: I delete it and say 'send patches to the aqpkg maintainer'? Jan 13 08:01:34 ~lart hal support in kde 3.5.0+ (again) Jan 13 08:01:34 * ibot drops a baby grand on hal support in kde 3.5.0+ (again) Jan 13 08:03:18 hrw: what does it do? Jan 13 08:05:05 zecke: provide media:// subsystem, support for removables etc.. but after few debian updates I'm unable to switch 'autoopen konqueror when you think there is somethin in usb cardreader' Jan 13 08:06:00 and it tries to mount /dev/sda ;( Jan 13 08:07:42 hrw: please add "in debian" to that lart :-) Jan 13 08:10:26 did anyone boot a powerpc debian cd with qemu? Jan 13 08:11:17 uf.. looks like I found where to turn it off. Jan 13 08:11:35 zecke: I did boot ubuntu/ppc in virtual/pc Jan 13 08:12:07 but I like how it map sd/cf icons my sd/cf cards.., Jan 13 08:47:43 oh my god svk is so crappy Jan 13 08:54:59 I've just sent mail to oe@ about the current tasks and their status Jan 13 08:55:36 koen: There's a proposal there which might change the idea of handheld-common a bit - I'd be interested in your views. Jan 13 08:57:31 * koen presses 'get mail' some more Jan 13 08:57:57 koen: Depending on the exact desired behaviour of task-bootstrap, we might need to add the tasks to BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS instead or something... Jan 13 08:58:59 task-bootstrap should give a machine as much as is needed for 'ipkg install http://somehost/coolapp.ipk' iirc Jan 13 08:59:13 (change ipk to the package manager of your liking) Jan 13 09:01:41 gosh svk is useless... Jan 13 09:02:24 RP: i like the idea of OE tasks on the wiki. Jan 13 09:02:42 RP: I could also Jan 13 09:03:42 if no one objects a page for some audio task so that people know whats workinga Jan 13 09:03:59 koen: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OEToDo Jan 13 09:04:13 and what still to be implemented. i.e borzoi headset is working Jan 13 09:04:21 koen@bitbake:~$ echo number of OE developers: `grep \@ ~/.monotone/monotonerc | wc -l` Jan 13 09:04:24 number of OE developers: 22 Jan 13 09:04:37 lrg|home: I don't think there would be any objection. Keep in mind it might be slightly out of place though Jan 13 09:04:40 almost twice as much a two weeks ago Jan 13 09:04:55 koen: This is good :) Jan 13 09:05:28 RP: that's what I was thinking, perhaps I'll add to the static info page Jan 13 09:05:30 whta is a depot good for if you can't copy across... Jan 13 09:11:29 RP: I changed the layout of that wiki a bit Jan 13 09:12:04 koen: It needed it :) Jan 13 09:12:11 Is my IRC client on drugs or is freenode spamming like crazy today? Jan 13 09:12:26 CoreDump|work: not here Jan 13 09:12:39 not here either. Yerterday they were mind... Jan 13 09:13:05 hmm, thanks Jan 13 09:13:14 ~lart irc.cgi Jan 13 09:13:15 * ibot changes irc.cgi's permissions to 0777 and tells the world Jan 13 09:13:58 koen: Once you've had a look at the opie changes to opie-image, meta-opie and task-opie, you might like to consider what to do with gpe... Jan 13 09:15:13 heh Jan 13 09:15:28 you mean the gpe people, not me Jan 13 09:15:51 I thought you kind of maintained OE's representation of gpe? :) Jan 13 09:16:33 yeah Jan 13 09:17:09 I like that to switch to some gpe-release-squad based approach Jan 13 09:17:53 I can understand that... Jan 13 09:18:16 Can you see any reason not to move most of meta-gpe into task-gpe? Jan 13 09:20:29 I can't think of any Jan 13 09:21:12 koen: a virtual pc can emulate PPC as well? Jan 13 09:21:25 RP: you could cc: gpe@handhelds.org Jan 13 09:21:37 zecke: D'oh, I meant ubuntu/386 Jan 13 09:21:47 koen: I'd better write a patch to propose first I guess... Jan 13 09:21:50 koen: is that fast 'enough'? Jan 13 09:26:05 zecke: dog slow Jan 13 09:40:07 Oh my gosh swusp on dapper is working... Jan 13 09:49:36 RP: for the gitcmd, we should export all exportable variables Jan 13 09:49:42 RP: e.g. SVN_SSH Jan 13 09:50:17 RP: and probably not using export but FOO=ssh SSH=foo cg-clone Jan 13 10:03:26 zecke: Agreed. That function needs some work Jan 13 10:37:07 yo koen Jan 13 10:37:22 hey woglinde Jan 13 10:53:38 * lrg|home has to catch a train Jan 13 11:43:09 hi. is there an equivalent app to "kontact" in opie? Jan 13 11:44:48 i'm looking for an appropriate application to put in a "plugin" for SMS message reading/writing. Jan 13 11:49:26 lkcl: use a standard IM client w/ a gateway Jan 13 11:50:37 luke?? he will use it oh the htc-phones Jan 13 11:50:56 ah Jan 13 11:51:03 aeh want Jan 13 11:51:12 hrm, I guess add it to Kopete ;) Jan 13 11:51:23 lkcl but opie development is somehow dead Jan 13 11:51:40 KDE development isn't :) Jan 13 12:00:23 lkcl: how's the seperation of gomunicator into frontend/backend going?t Jan 13 12:03:15 koen|tv: interesting :) Jan 13 12:03:30 i've hacked qtiax into submission Jan 13 12:03:35 i tracked down libgnokii Jan 13 12:04:03 i've been talking to pavel (gnokii-users) ..... http://lists.nongnu.org/archive/html/gnokii-users/2006-01/threads.html Jan 13 12:05:00 basically "ThePlan(tm)" is to create a gnokii-proxyd that calls the libgnokii functions (to connect to the GSM phone) and to listen on _three_ separate sockets: 1) /tmp/gnokii-phone 2) /tmp/gnokii-sms 3) /tmp/gnokii-addr Jan 13 12:05:07 ... you can see where that's going, straight away :) Jan 13 12:05:18 :) Jan 13 12:05:43 the proxy-app can be single-process, making prodigious use of select(). Jan 13 12:06:09 the dialer-app therefore becomes.... near-bewilderingly trivial. Jan 13 12:06:56 i'm now on a lazy hunt (i.e. there's no rush) looking for apps to hack in some sms message-reading-sending and also some contact info reading-writing. Jan 13 12:07:10 Kopete Jan 13 12:07:31 yehh, that's what i figured, Luke-Jr - thing is: is it available for opie? Jan 13 12:07:44 nope! why use opie? Jan 13 12:08:05 luke because of the htc-phone Jan 13 12:08:07 cos it's a PDA with a 320x480 screen, size 3.5in x 4.5in approx Jan 13 12:08:15 woglinde: so? Jan 13 12:08:30 i mean... i don't _have_ to run opie ... :) Jan 13 12:08:30 boot an X server and run some KDE apps Jan 13 12:08:54 I'm building kdelibs in OE right now Jan 13 12:08:58 hopefully it will work Jan 13 12:09:16 Luke-Jr: using bksys? Jan 13 12:09:16 luke I think it will be too large for flash and so Jan 13 12:09:24 koen|tv: wtf? Jan 13 12:09:27 yehh.... i could.... there's nothing to stop me buying a bigger SD card to fit the apps on... other than i'd ideally like to be able, at some point, fit it onto 32mb flash Jan 13 12:09:40 hrm Jan 13 12:10:26 just in case we manage to get the DiskOnChip(tm) stuff working (it's a 32mb flash chip, and the new damnit diskonchip.c kernel driver damnit doesn't support 32mb and 64mb it only supports 16mb millenium plus chips from m-sys.com) Jan 13 12:10:34 lkcl: if you like developing against a prehistoric system with no future open source commitment, use qt/e, if you want to have fun use qt on X Jan 13 12:10:52 queque? Jan 13 12:11:14 well, i'm starting with qt3 because i can at least compile that on my laptop and hope to have it working. Jan 13 12:11:20 heh Jan 13 12:11:26 qt/e is still at qt2 Jan 13 12:11:31 koen|tv: wtf? Qt is more open source than GTK Jan 13 12:11:45 I'm pretty sure Qt/E 3 exists too Jan 13 12:11:50 Luke-Jr: I said qt/e Jan 13 12:12:02 i haven't got to the point yet where i'm considering compiling up on opie ... uhnn.... i was gonna get to that maybe... tomorrow ;) Jan 13 12:12:03 qtopia is at 2 something Jan 13 12:12:03 and Qt/E 4 likely Jan 13 12:12:06 show me the source for qtopia4 Jan 13 12:12:11 oh dear. Jan 13 12:12:15 *all* qtopia4 Jan 13 12:12:22 *g* Jan 13 12:12:41 I never said Qtopia Jan 13 12:12:43 I said Qt/ Jan 13 12:12:43 I said Qt/E Jan 13 12:12:44 koen|tv: okay. where are things going? Jan 13 12:12:52 koen did you have a bady day? Jan 13 12:13:04 woglinde: quite a good day actually Jan 13 12:13:10 what platform _should_ i be looking to target this qt app at? Jan 13 12:13:21 woglinde: I got to say 'hands up' to the military police all day :) Jan 13 12:13:24 lkcl: X Jan 13 12:13:26 and which one _can_ i develop it under... Jan 13 12:13:28 Qt/X11 Jan 13 12:13:35 and are they both the same thing? Jan 13 12:13:44 hell no Jan 13 12:14:01 help, help, gurgle, gloop. Jan 13 12:14:29 qt/e is some retarded brainfart with sucky licensing where all nice apps are close, qt/x11 is the nice platform we all know Jan 13 12:14:37 s/close/closed/ Jan 13 12:14:37 koen|tv meant: qt/e is some retarded brainfart with sucky licensing where all nice apps are closed, qt/x11 is the nice platform we all know Jan 13 12:14:54 ibot: thanks Jan 13 12:14:54 de rien, koen|tv Jan 13 12:14:55 koen which closed source app is nice? Jan 13 12:15:08 I didnt know one Jan 13 12:15:11 ahh. Jan 13 12:15:24 woglinde: we have some nice stuff at the uni Jan 13 12:15:36 okay - so when i built opie-image with bitbake, last week, what did it use? Jan 13 12:15:43 anyone know wtf Lua is? Jan 13 12:15:46 qt/w 2.3.10 Jan 13 12:15:54 Luke-Jr: a scripting language Jan 13 12:15:55 lkcl qt/e Jan 13 12:16:12 okay.... ah, and qt/e 2.3.10 is bad? Jan 13 12:16:21 lkcl it has no future Jan 13 12:16:26 SCO-like bad Jan 13 12:16:57 okay - so what thingy _should_ i be building that's qt & community-driven? Jan 13 12:17:01 take qt2, rip out the nice stuff and freeze development for compatibility with close source apps Jan 13 12:17:28 i like qt, i like kde, i _hate_ gtk, and i despise gnome. Jan 13 12:17:52 RP: the SLUGOS_IMAGENAME patch, is it sufficient just to remove the SkipPackage, or was the problem PN = "-image" ? Jan 13 12:18:07 i'm not bothered about which version of qt, but obviously i care about keeping with free software principles and communities. Jan 13 12:18:09 so. Jan 13 12:18:36 sounds like 'kde' Jan 13 12:18:49 what should i be building? bitbake XXXXX-image - pick me an XXXXX where it uses qt/x11. somebody. anybody :) Jan 13 12:18:50 since there is no other qt env worth mentioning Jan 13 12:19:05 kde-image Jan 13 12:19:21 oh _really_. eeenterresting, Luke-Jr Jan 13 12:19:53 ... it's been cut-down sufficiently to fit into 16mb / 32mb? Jan 13 12:19:53 it doesn't exist yet Jan 13 12:19:58 oh, bollocks :) Jan 13 12:20:11 it would be nice to have Jan 13 12:20:37 worth raising on kde-devel@lists.kde.org, then. Jan 13 12:20:44 koen|tv: working on it Jan 13 12:21:13 koen|tv: just finished kdelibs-dcopidl-native Jan 13 12:21:15 i don't think i've _completely_ destroyed my kudos on kde-devel with my last rant - i went so over-the-top it was obvious that i was joking. Jan 13 12:21:54 I had flashbacks to my years of kde usage yesterday Jan 13 12:22:05 there are *too* many buttons in a VW Phaeton Jan 13 12:22:25 *cackle*. Jan 13 12:22:47 i look forward to running superkaramba on my himalaya Jan 13 12:22:56 teehee. Jan 13 12:23:04 * Luke-Jr dislikes desktop stuff Jan 13 12:23:18 such as superkaramba Jan 13 12:24:09 ohhh, you haven't seen kroller.sez, then, Luke-Jr :) Jan 13 12:24:22 no, but I don't see my desktop, either Jan 13 12:24:23 http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=31081 Jan 13 12:24:23 ever Jan 13 12:24:37 * koen|tv also dislikes purposefully bad spelling Jan 13 12:25:23 looks like a lame attempt to mimick OSX's dock Jan 13 12:25:33 i considered it _absolutely_ mad to combine c++ and python - especially for GUI development - and then i actually delved into the source of superkaramba and the "original" kroller (based on tuxbar) and ... well.... fell in love :) Jan 13 12:26:01 brrrr Jan 13 12:26:03 c++ Jan 13 12:26:04 I consider it mad to use C++, but hey, KDE seems to handle it okay Jan 13 12:26:09 unless you have slow RAM Jan 13 12:26:32 ahhh, but it supports KDE menus, Luke-Jr - you click on an icon, and up pops a "sub-bar" that contains the sub-menu that you also see on the K Start bar. Jan 13 12:26:38 so? Jan 13 12:26:45 nobody uses the K Menu Jan 13 12:27:21 i've put people in front of it - yes that's the point! nobody uses the K Menu because it's too awkward! - and they found it dead-easy to use. i took it _away_ and their productivity suffered. Jan 13 12:27:27 there was a bug that went 2 or 3 .x releases in the KMenu and nobody noticed it until 3.4 Jan 13 12:27:58 and it's still unfixed, I think Jan 13 12:28:05 wouldn't surprise me.. Jan 13 12:28:19 in particular, only non-KDE apps are on my K Menu Jan 13 12:28:22 so... _why_ are we recommending kde? :) Jan 13 12:28:24 because I install KDE in a prefix Jan 13 12:28:33 cuz Opie, GPE, and GNOME suck Jan 13 12:28:41 anyway - let me just write a message to kde-devel... *sigh* yehhh... Jan 13 12:30:00 woo, kdelibs_3.5.0 made it to do_build! Jan 13 12:30:06 hopefully it will complete Jan 13 12:32:32 Luke-Jr: keep me informed, will you? i'd like to let people know. Jan 13 12:33:55 * zecke thinks issue trackers are useless, devels should know which errors they introduced Jan 13 12:34:07 hihi Jan 13 12:34:36 lkcl: I plan to; if it gives me too much trouble, I'll need to give up or postpone it tho Jan 13 12:34:40 don't have a ton of time Jan 13 12:34:45 if that works out angstrom can have another image option: kde-image Jan 13 12:35:12 angstrom? Jan 13 12:35:35 the death of opiezaurus ;) Jan 13 12:35:45 lol Jan 13 12:35:46 *g* dead befor born Jan 13 12:35:52 you can't shrink kontact below about 700x500... Jan 13 12:36:08 lkcl: so use the individual apps Jan 13 12:36:22 Luke-Jr: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/newsletters/ooo-newsletter-200508/ Jan 13 12:36:23 lkcl: and/or a smaller font size Jan 13 12:36:56 ack, dude. Jan 13 12:37:15 does kde have sane DPI handling? Jan 13 12:37:26 koen|tv: once the X server does DPI properly, yes Jan 13 12:37:27 since most vga pdas have 200+ dpi Jan 13 12:37:31 koen|tv: xserver-kdrive doesn't Jan 13 12:37:36 on the Z, anyway Jan 13 12:37:42 Luke-Jr: kdrive does Jan 13 12:37:46 because the Z has non-square pixels Jan 13 12:37:51 and kdrive assumes square Jan 13 12:38:17 hmmmm..... kmail doesn't go below 500x600... still a lot of work to consider - i suppose.... using smaller menu fonts would help.... Jan 13 12:38:19 how non-square are they? Jan 13 12:38:37 koen|tv: not much, I think 100 pixels difference in width Jan 13 12:38:44 lkcl: font-size != pixel size Jan 13 12:38:47 maybe 4 or 5 DPI Jan 13 12:38:59 koen|tv: smaller fonts makes the app smaller overall Jan 13 12:39:58 on 200 dpi the same fontsize will use (approx) twice as much pixels in each direction Jan 13 12:43:39 hi pb Jan 13 12:44:00 hi woglinde Jan 13 12:44:52 does anyone know of a tutorial that tells how to create ipk's for openzaurus? I followed the wiki, but bitbake always fails Jan 13 12:45:47 andrewy: pastebin.com what you run and errors/messages Jan 13 12:45:55 andrewy: tar + ar Jan 13 12:46:26 Say it like a pirate - its fun... tararrrrr Jan 13 12:46:48 CosmicPenguin: quite Jan 13 12:47:34 ok luke, give me a minute Jan 13 12:48:18 CosmicPenguin: 20060919 :) Jan 13 12:48:50 tararrrrrr! Jan 13 12:49:11 Luke-Jr: http://pastebin.com/504411 Jan 13 12:49:18 RP: "primarily for the upcoming OpenedHand VOIP service," do you know anything about it, can you spare details Jan 13 12:49:51 Hey, when mallum makes his first billion, I can say I knew him when he was a nobody Jan 13 12:50:11 yay! Jan 13 12:50:43 hehe Jan 13 12:51:37 andrewy: your Java is broken, is my guess Jan 13 12:53:22 ohh, didnt see that error :/ Jan 13 12:53:28 its because i just updated it Jan 13 12:59:57 zecke do you want to fly to saudi arabia? Jan 13 13:01:20 woglinde: why? Jan 13 13:01:27 woglinde: got some spare tickets? Jan 13 13:01:35 zecke read your mails Jan 13 13:02:22 woglinde: no spam yet... Jan 13 13:02:30 woglinde: RoboCup in Saudi Arabia? Jan 13 13:03:16 zecke nope maintainig a php application with mysql Jan 13 13:03:41 woglinde: using mysql to maintain the php app? Jan 13 13:42:09 the SVN converting is coming along nicely. ~600 revs to go, two errors to face Jan 13 13:42:48 zecke: trying to play 'go fish' with scms? Jan 13 13:43:07 koen|tv: If I would know this game, maybe Jan 13 13:43:30 personally I hope monotone 0.26 will kick ass Jan 13 13:43:39 and solves all speed issues :} Jan 13 13:43:56 zecke: apt-get install bsdgames Jan 13 13:44:49 * zecke needs to work now Jan 13 13:44:59 it used to be in that package Jan 13 13:45:12 zecke: 0.26 should be at least twice as fast Jan 13 13:51:17 wow my qemu-i386 PII has 18mhz Jan 13 13:52:02 I wonder how monotonte performs there Jan 13 13:52:05 * zecke loves pain Jan 13 14:01:33 "NOTE: no buildable providers for sharprom-toolchain-native" anyone know how to fix those errors? Jan 13 14:10:25 andrewy: why do you need that for openzaurus? Jan 13 14:15:24 koen: im trying to build for sharprom-compatible now Jan 13 14:17:02 andrewy: add gcc 1.4 to OE? Jan 13 14:17:24 the sharprom requires gcc 1.4? Jan 13 14:17:41 andrewy: some ancient gcc either 1.4 or 2.95.3 but I don't remember Jan 13 14:18:10 a) add a gcc2 toolchain to OE Jan 13 14:18:22 b) make this assume provided and put your arm-linux-gcc somehwere Jan 13 14:18:22 I have 2.95.3 Jan 13 14:19:52 sadly the bitbake docu has no ASSUME_PROVIDED documentation... Jan 13 14:20:15 andrewy: check the local.conf.sample and the 'Howto compile Old Sharp Kernel' wiki page on some coverage Jan 13 14:20:27 ok, thanks Jan 13 14:20:47 how to compile 0.3-ancient-suckix software Jan 13 14:28:46 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r6612f40a... 10/packages/pkgconfig/ (pkgconfig-0.15.0/pkg.m4 pkgconfig_0.15.0.bb): pkgconfig: backport fixes from .dev Jan 13 14:28:50 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rb4f3bf64... 10/packages/libschedule/libschedule_0.15.bb: libschedule: add 0.15 Jan 13 14:28:56 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r9185cde1... 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): ixp4xx-kernel: loft support in 2.6.15 Jan 13 14:29:11 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r5ce32db4... 10/packages/linux/ixp4xx-kernel/2.6.15/15-jffs2-endian-config.patch: ixp4xx-kernel: add comment to jffs2 patch in 2.6.15 Jan 13 14:29:36 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r599463ba... 10/packages/libgpewidget/libgpewidget_0.107.bb: libgpewidget: update to 0.107 Jan 13 14:33:41 night koen Jan 13 14:34:36 koen|sleep: cya Jan 13 14:38:49 yay! :( Jan 13 14:38:56 slashdot now says we don't exist Jan 13 14:38:59 http://linux.slashdot.org/ Jan 13 14:39:14 (article at the top) Jan 13 14:40:08 Did you even read the article? Jan 13 14:50:06 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * rfcac3802... 10/packages/slugimage/slugimage-native.bb: slugimage: remove unnecessary emptying of native PACKAGES in 0.0 Jan 13 15:02:27 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r1fd7665c... 10/packages/gpe-what/gpe-what_0.42.bb: gpe-what: Add 0.42. Jan 13 15:02:38 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r40056da7... 10/packages/libxsettings-client/libxsettings-client_0.16.bb: libxsettings-client: Add 0.16. Jan 13 15:37:41 03coredump 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rea98de04... 10/packages/altboot/ (altboot.bb files/init.altboot): altboot: Allow for tty1 in kernel CMDLINE (menu doesn't show up otherwise with debug kernels) Jan 13 15:37:52 03coredump 07org.oe.dev * r94dc5349... 10/packages/altboot/ (altboot.bb files/init.altboot): altboot: Allow for debug kernels (menu wouldn't show with tty1 in CMDLINE) Jan 13 15:38:25 aehem, looks like one must add --branch to mt push *cough* Jan 13 15:42:33 jbowler: It was the fact that variable was undefined for none slug distros that was the problem, hence the fix Jan 13 15:43:09 zecke: The VOIP is internal Openedhand only. I guess this was ross being misleading :-/ Jan 13 15:48:11 * CosmicPenguin calls his broker to cancel his request to get in on the OpenHanded IOP Jan 13 15:48:13 s/IPO/ Jan 13 15:49:11 I should suggest we launch a VOIP service. Its the way things are going... Jan 13 15:50:07 RP: so setting it to "" would be fine, right? Then the SkipPackage would take effect and it wouldn't appear in non-slugos builds. Jan 13 15:50:32 Or I could just change SkipPackage to check for slugos, or INVALID - probably clearer Jan 13 15:51:00 jbowler: I'd not worry about other builds seeing it tbh Jan 13 15:51:17 We don't hide opie-image from slugos... Jan 13 15:51:23 k, then I'll remove the SkipPackage, it's just confusing. Jan 13 15:51:31 Its probably easier Jan 13 15:51:54 I think the name slugos is clear enough for people not to expect it to work on other things :) Jan 13 15:53:22 Well, it probably will work - it will attempt to build slugos-image.bb which will fail (no provider) because SLUGOS_IMAGESEX is not set. Jan 13 15:53:53 jbowler: That's fine Jan 13 15:54:08 jbowler: Not every combination of configs is expected to work in OE Jan 13 15:54:56 If we can prevent silly errors like DISTRO="familiar", that's one thing but we don't need to protect against everything Jan 13 16:03:37 RP: thanks Jan 13 16:03:47 i still think that generic names should just point to the last stable release Jan 13 16:03:51 RP: I had thought of N770 and SIP Jan 13 16:04:48 03florian 07org.oe.dev * re118e6ee... 10/packages/gpe-calendar/gpe-calendar_0.68.bb: gpe-calendar: Add 0.68 release. Jan 13 16:05:06 its ratter funny that you have to use DISTRO="familiar-0.8.3" when your using a branch that specifically specifies that version Jan 13 16:05:11 rather* Jan 13 16:05:26 zecke: Its a nice idea. Jan 13 16:06:13 zecke: yeah, the n770 would make a cute wireless sip client. does it have a microphone? Jan 13 16:06:56 dunno, I have not seen one Jan 13 16:07:14 It has a mic IIRC Jan 13 16:07:46 ah, that's good Jan 13 16:07:57 maybe I'll try installing minisip or something and see how it works Jan 13 16:08:41 umm how again do I supress the kernel output on boot? I kinda forgot which trick was used to achive that Jan 13 16:10:01 * pb__ stabs qemu Jan 13 16:10:22 is setting JAVA to empty string in gcc3-build.inc enough to disable building of gcc java stuff? Jan 13 16:10:55 CoreDump|home: "quiet" ? Jan 13 16:11:06 umm Jan 13 16:11:24 sounds familiar =) I'll try that thanks Jan 13 16:14:16 um or was it changing CMDLINE_CONSOLE? Hmm /me tries both Jan 13 18:02:51 ok, so I ran bitbake wpa-supplicant. it created 1,035 different ipks, all with different packages. how do i know which ones are necessary? Jan 13 18:52:36 good nite Jan 13 18:54:13 night Jan 13 18:58:40 ~botmail for koen in case you're interested, have cvs committed the beginnings of gnokii-proxyd which will allow several programs to do "stuff" like get status information, so you can create a systray thing which has cell range/power and also have the main phone program do the same thing. etc. it's single-process, so too many programs asking for too much status info are going to slow things down... **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 13 22:55:06 2006 Jan 13 23:15:56 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * r198b28bb... 10/ (26 files in 19 dirs): Jan 13 23:15:56 slugos: move to ixp4xx-kernel, change nslu2 to more generic ixp4xx in conf Jan 13 23:15:56 - rather than build nslu2-kernel or nas100d-kernel slugos-image now Jan 13 23:15:56 builds ixp4xx-kernel, the generic kernel. ixp4xx is now used as the Jan 13 23:15:56 normal MACHINE override, even though MACHINE itself is still set to Jan 13 23:15:56 nslu2 or nas100d (or ixp4xx). Jan 14 01:21:00 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r18c6761b... 10/packages/altboot/ (altboot.bb files/init.altboot): disapproval of revision 'ea98de04677e8263cdb6e294780ab357f06501c1' Jan 14 01:29:48 03jbowler 07org.oe.dev * re7693771... 10/packages/linux/ (ixp4xx-kernel/2.6.15/defconfig ixp4xx-kernel_2.6.15.bb): ixp4xx-kernel: correct config for Loft in 2.6.15 Jan 14 01:34:01 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rca5a57a9... 10/ (11 files in 11 dirs): Jan 14 01:34:01 explicit_merge of '18c6761b031a093192cf6283ca5b4bdeb8b9f1dc' Jan 14 01:34:01 and '349d1774fa2a80c52eb8559fac81a38e4161c1b1' Jan 14 01:34:01 using ancestor '' Jan 14 01:34:01 to branch 'org.openembedded.oz354fam083' Jan 14 01:42:45 ~seen florian Jan 14 01:42:50 florian was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 9h 17m 41s ago, saying: 'not yet... okay, the Hoeft&Wessel Integral on request... we are working on a fix for this issue :-)'. Jan 14 01:50:00 hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jan 14 02:59:58 2006