**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 02:59:57 2006 Jan 26 03:01:13 ade|desk: I use defaults for ssh2 Jan 26 03:03:33 defaults ? Jan 26 03:08:44 i think they default is 2048 bit not sure though Jan 26 03:13:36 2048 is default Jan 26 03:14:06 ok cheers Jan 26 03:15:03 yay for wireless! Jan 26 03:15:05 * mithro will be on his way to Cairo shortly Jan 26 03:16:52 nslu2-linux has a booth at SCALE (http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/exhibitions/sblug.php). Jan 26 03:16:59 Would anyone have any objections to us putting an OpenEmbedded logo on our banner in the booth? Jan 26 03:17:20 rwhitby: Any advertising is good IMO Jan 26 03:21:31 anyone know a tool which does a sector-sector low level read-write scan of a harddrive under linux Jan 26 03:23:43 you can use 'dd' to read / write directly on your hdd Jan 26 03:24:32 I meant under Windows :P Jan 26 03:24:41 under Linux you can use the "badblocks" command :P Jan 26 03:24:57 WD has a tool called dlgdiag. it worked on their disks but don't if it works on other models Jan 26 03:25:13 every manufacturer provides such tools Jan 26 03:26:00 but these usually need you to create a bootable cd / diskette, imho thats what you should do if you want to say anything about your drive's fitness. Jan 26 03:31:13 it's a USB disk Jan 26 03:34:23 * obergix[work] is away: manger Jan 26 03:38:47 i have declared these in locola.conf Jan 26 03:38:51 PREFERRED_VERSION_python-native = "2.3.3" Jan 26 03:38:51 PREFERRED_VERSION_python = "2.3.4" Jan 26 03:38:51 PREFERRED_VERSION_python-core = "2.3.4" Jan 26 03:39:06 but when building i get this Jan 26 03:39:28 NOTE: package python-2.4.2: started Jan 26 03:39:28 NOTE: package python-2.4.2-ml2: task do_fetch: started Jan 26 03:39:40 which fails during compile Jan 26 03:40:03 istutils.errors.DistutilsPlatformError: invalid Python installation: unable to open /home/stelios/oe/feux/build/tmp/staging$make: *** [sharedmods] Error 1 Jan 26 03:40:04 FATAL: oe_runmake failed Jan 26 03:40:11 any idea why ? Jan 26 03:41:00 Ifaistos: Did it try and build any other versions beforen that? Jan 26 03:41:25 yes. i manage to get the epia going Jan 26 03:41:55 Ifaistos: I mean did it try and build 2.3.4, fail, then try 2.4.2? Jan 26 03:42:17 no it wend strait to 2.4.2 Jan 26 03:42:51 let me paste the build output to get a look Jan 26 03:54:30 RP: http://pastebin.com/523755 Jan 26 03:54:41 its the entire output for a clean build Jan 26 03:58:12 hmmm pastebin did not accept it all.... Jan 26 04:01:13 this is the rest http://pastebin.com/523761 Jan 26 04:04:11 and this is local.conf -> http://pastebin.com/523764 Jan 26 04:10:36 Ifaistos: That log is still truncated Jan 26 04:11:23 RP: Yes you are right. i;ll try to make it a file and send it over Jan 26 04:16:51 RP: Can you get the file through DCC ? Jan 26 04:17:34 Ifaistos: Its not ideal due to the way I have irc setup :-/ Jan 26 04:18:15 np. should i email it ? Jan 26 04:18:49 Ifaistos: Can you pastebin the last part of the log? Jan 26 04:19:02 There can't be much more of it :) Jan 26 04:19:12 RP: ok. wait a sec Jan 26 04:21:19 RP: Last part -> http://pastebin.com/523776 Jan 26 04:23:05 RP: When you have a spare moment i would like to talk to you in private Jan 26 04:23:48 Ifaistos: The important bit of that log is the bit that says "NOTE: preferred version 2.3.4 of python not available" Jan 26 04:28:50 RP: Here is the filelist of the packages/python dir python-2.3.4 is there Jan 26 04:29:38 Ifaistos: I realise that. For some reason it doesn't think it can build it Jan 26 04:39:21 Ifaistos: Did you see my last message (and the ones I sent privately?) Jan 26 04:39:27 * obergix[work] is back (gone 01:05:05) Jan 26 04:40:01 RP: Yes i am trying to find out how to register on freenode Jan 26 04:40:51 Ifaistos: /msg NickServ help Jan 26 04:44:15 RP: Ok i did it :) Jan 26 04:45:32 RP: Here is the filelist of the packages/python Jan 26 04:45:35 http://pastebin.com/523778 Jan 26 04:48:09 Ifaistos: I realise its there. For some reason bitbake doesn't seem to know it exists though (or doesn't think it can build it) Jan 26 04:52:16 Ifaistos: For more hints as to why it doesn't like that version run something like bitbake -D -D -D python Jan 26 05:03:25 zecke: happy birthday Jan 26 05:04:57 thanks a alot :) Jan 26 05:05:05 'Oh, and Iā€™m moving to Trac for our bug tracking (see trac.galago-project.org). This is real nice, because I can now reference bugs in commit messages and theyā€™ll close automatically with the commit message.' Jan 26 05:05:18 zecke: 23? Jan 26 05:05:22 hrw|work: yes Jan 26 05:05:24 that would a a big plus for using svk Jan 26 05:05:45 koen: you can do that with bugzilla as well (close bugs with commit message) Jan 26 05:11:14 koen: I want to announce the testing trial after OZ and FAM are released Jan 26 05:11:31 that gives me time to convert the other branches as well Jan 26 05:13:19 you mean next year ;) Jan 26 05:14:33 http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/15.80.html#subj4.1 is a nice read Jan 26 05:18:42 koen: nice read Jan 26 05:42:22 I'm trying to get Opie running nicely on the Blueangel XDA Smartphone. I'm having some trouble with the thumbkey keyboard... Pressing it registers to /dev/input/event1, but I was told I need to change a #define varibale somewhere, to make all the applications able to use it..?!? Jan 26 05:46:54 mind_: #opie Jan 26 05:49:21 already tried, but the chan is dead... :/ Jan 26 05:51:06 just like opie development Jan 26 05:51:07 * koen hides Jan 26 05:51:56 heh ;) I'm actually working on a gsm tool for Opie... So I guess there's some ;) Jan 26 05:53:33 RP: I i try to build bitkake -D -D -D python it builds python-2.3.4... Jan 26 05:54:59 Ifaistos: Perhaps the python 2.3.4 file needs a line that says PROVIDES = "python python-core" Jan 26 05:55:18 Ifaistos: I suspect something was building python-core which the other version doesn't provide atm Jan 26 06:00:10 y Jan 26 06:00:22 * Crofton need focus ... Jan 26 06:36:28 morning Jan 26 06:41:08 ~seen mickey|zzZZzz Jan 26 06:41:18 mickey|zzzzzz is currently on #opie #handhelds.org #oe, last said: 'good morning'. Jan 26 06:42:19 hey gints|wrk Jan 26 07:16:09 looks like I got patch to apm for 2.4-crapix Jan 26 07:18:09 hrw|work: he... interesting ;) Jan 26 07:18:33 http://pastebin.ca/38661 Jan 26 07:18:52 schurig: ping Jan 26 07:19:03 zecke: peng! Jan 26 07:19:05 it lack fclose() now anyway Jan 26 07:19:29 schurig: the smerge is done, you might move stuff around now Jan 26 07:19:38 schurig: but please describe your rational in the wiki Jan 26 07:20:01 http://pastebin.ca/38662 updated Jan 26 07:28:48 hi! Does anyone know what happened to svn.o-hand.com? For the fourth day I cannot compile gpe because of matchbox which cannot be downloaded from svn://svn.o-hand.com/ Jan 26 07:30:41 hrw|work: do you have an up to date c700 gpe-image? Jan 26 07:30:59 or can I use the image from 3.5.4-test and ipkg upgrade? Jan 26 07:31:00 danil: It works fine here... Jan 26 07:31:30 koen: second way Jan 26 07:31:35 danil: (I work for o-hand so I'd know if it was broken ;-) ) Jan 26 07:31:36 ok Jan 26 07:31:42 * koen searches for his card reader Jan 26 07:31:49 RP: really? hm.. is the IP address correct then: 70.86.75.187 ? Jan 26 07:32:00 RP: i cannot even pig it :( Jan 26 07:32:18 RP: pig=ping :) Jan 26 07:32:23 you shouldnt pig anything.. Jan 26 07:32:27 ;-) Jan 26 07:33:15 someone with zaurus running 2.4 here? Jan 26 07:33:38 danil: That's the correct ip. Nobody can ping it Jan 26 07:35:18 Is there any particular reason for using GCC 3.4 and not 4.0? Jan 26 07:36:55 DataBeaver: other then 'everything works with 3.4.x and we tested it'? Jan 26 07:38:17 btw - does someone know when openembedded.org DNS will work again? Jan 26 07:39:00 when kergoth has payed the bill and they enable it Jan 26 07:39:41 * koen flashes a oz rc Jan 26 07:41:02 hrw: Yeah, other than that. Jan 26 07:41:03 I need to prod kergoth into trying zoneedit.com for dns Jan 26 07:41:19 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * r066915ca... 10/conf/distro/preferred-gpe-versions-2.7.inc: gpe: activate the new gpe-conf Jan 26 07:41:25 03ade 07org.oe.dev * r5a4f7b66... 10/packages/x11/diet-x11_cvs.bb: diet-x11: add xim patch to cvs version Jan 26 07:41:30 03ade 07org.oe.dev * r1f46d831... 10/packages/x11/x11_cvs.bb: x11_cvs: bump rev Jan 26 07:41:34 DataBeaver: lack of devs to patch every app which does not compile with gcc4 is one of them Jan 26 07:41:35 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r08e4f5e1... 10/packages/avahi/avahi_0.6.5.bb: avahi: add 0.6.5 Jan 26 07:41:39 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r600fc81b... 10/packages/libdaemon/libdaemon_0.10.bb: libdaemon: add 0.10 Jan 26 07:43:27 DataBeaver: we know that if we build using gcc 3.4 then all will work as we use it since it was available. gcc 4.0.x is maybe better but we lack people to update our metadata to be buildable with gcc 4.0.x, lack people which will test resulting binaries... Jan 26 07:43:49 DataBeaver: I think that it is most of 'why gcc 3.4.x instead of gcc 4.0.x' Jan 26 07:43:50 and 4.0 doesn't have eabi support Jan 26 07:44:06 only 3.4-csl and gcc 4.1 have Jan 26 07:44:06 koen: which OE also does not have Jan 26 07:44:26 true Jan 26 07:44:33 What's eabi? Jan 26 07:44:40 and we dropped 3.4-csl first version too Jan 26 07:44:47 hrw|work: I also need to coax pigi into releasing a new ipkg Jan 26 07:44:48 DataBeaver: task-bootstrap will compile with gcc4 Jan 26 07:44:59 koen: .157 is released Jan 26 07:45:21 RP: opie-image will compile with gcc4 (collie one as konq/emb will not build with gcc4) Jan 26 07:46:07 hrw|work: Most X bits do as well. I didn't try the gpe bits Jan 26 07:50:59 hrw|work: x11/ and gpe/ don't have Packages.gz Jan 26 07:52:18 koen: in 3.5.3 feed? Jan 26 07:52:46 yes Jan 26 07:52:52 is there a 3.5.4 feed already? Jan 26 07:53:00 * koen hasn't been following OZ stuff lately Jan 26 07:53:51 koen: 3.5.4 is feedless Jan 26 07:54:03 s/3.5.4/3.5.4 test images Jan 26 07:54:38 hmmm Jan 26 07:54:47 so I can't actually ipkg upgrade? Jan 26 07:55:15 koen: add manually http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/oz3.5.4-test-images/updates/ to config Jan 26 07:57:50 I have the following sution. I have a Software which needs the kernel header files to compile. How can I write in my .bb file that the kernel headers are provided for the compilation? Jan 26 07:58:24 Cobelius: DEPENDS = "virtual/kernel"? Jan 26 07:59:23 aren't apps supposed to use linux-libc-headers? Jan 26 07:59:30 Cobelius: same kernel headers are running kernel? Jan 26 07:59:34 koen: exactly Jan 26 08:00:04 yes, as the kernel wich is compiled for the image Jan 26 08:00:05 It depends if "software" is an app or a kernel module" Jan 26 08:00:34 it's a module Jan 26 08:00:45 Cobelius: then say it is module not software Jan 26 08:00:59 Cobelius: inherit module Jan 26 08:01:45 Cobelius: Look at something like orinoco or hostap# Jan 26 08:02:11 okay thank you Jan 26 08:06:44 * CosmicPenguin tries to figure out how to use multimachine Jan 26 08:07:50 CosmicPenguin: put MACHINE="xxx" into auto.conf instead of local.conf - change auto.conf to change machines Jan 26 08:10:43 RP: oh, cool - I'm groking it Jan 26 08:31:50 ~lart nokia dtl Jan 26 08:31:51 * ibot steals nokia dtl's mojo Jan 26 08:32:06 ls Jan 26 08:32:11 doh Jan 26 08:32:35 hey CosmicPenguin, back in the US already? Jan 26 08:41:51 ~lart me Jan 26 08:41:51 * ibot beats the living hamstercrap out of koen Jan 26 08:41:56 stupid typos Jan 26 08:42:10 ~lart xerces-c Jan 26 08:42:13 * ibot slaps xerces-c upside the head with a wet fish Jan 26 08:46:39 http://pastebin.ca/38671 Jan 26 08:46:57 any reason why this staging method would start failing now, when it usedto work? Jan 26 08:47:30 didn't oe_libinstall change? Jan 26 08:48:25 not sure, I figured I'd check with the gurus :) Jan 26 08:49:29 Hopefulyl one strolls through the channel and can comment Jan 26 08:49:37 I need to write in another window ... Jan 26 08:51:06 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r06dd70f0... 10/packages/bluez/ (files/hciattach-ti-bts.patch bluez-utils-dbus_2.25.bb): bluez-utils-dbus-2.25: add TI-BTS patch Jan 26 08:57:31 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r25e74dec... 10/packages/bluez/bluez-hcidump_1.29.bb: bluez-hcidump: add 1.29 Jan 26 09:05:13 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rae5ab640... 10/packages/matchbox-panel/ (matchbox-panel.inc matchbox-panel_0.9.2.bb): matchbox-panel: really set arch to machine arch Jan 26 09:06:15 koen: yeah Jan 26 09:17:26 hi Cobelius Jan 26 09:17:29 CoreDump|home: hi Jan 26 09:17:30 hi all Jan 26 09:17:39 CoreDump|home: you have 2.4 on zaurus? Jan 26 09:17:49 yes Jan 26 09:18:30 CoreDump|home: great. so I have something for you to test - prefer akita (armv5te build package) Jan 26 09:18:35 played with 2.6 a few days ago but since I'm sortof working on branch that's not really useful right now for me =) Jan 26 09:18:44 hrw|work: shoot Jan 26 09:19:40 CoreDump|home: ipkg install http://www.hrw.one.pl/tmp/apm_3.2.2-r6_armv5te.ipk and suspend from user Jan 26 09:19:57 righto, give me a second Jan 26 09:21:03 * CoreDump|home boots GPE Jan 26 09:26:24 * obergix[work] is waiting for CoreDump|home's results too ;) Jan 26 09:26:41 * CoreDump|home notes that fsck over NFS is a little bit slow Jan 26 09:28:44 hrw|work, obergix[work]: yay, works perfectly! Just suspended / resumed 5 times as non-root Jan 26 09:29:11 one showstopper less for 3.5.4 =) Jan 26 09:29:18 hurray ;) Jan 26 09:29:48 will test also tonite when coming back home... in any case Jan 26 09:29:48 excellent Jan 26 09:29:52 CoreDump|home: great - atleast for 2.4 it works ok. now I have to add 2.4/2.6 check for it Jan 26 09:30:05 CoreDump|home: add note to #496 Jan 26 09:30:06 hi hrw Jan 26 09:30:10 or #497 Jan 26 09:30:44 I would if http://bugs.openembedded.org/ was reachable heh Jan 26 09:31:03 bugs.treke.net Jan 26 09:31:06 ohh DNS problem by the looks of it Jan 26 09:31:09 or see topic Jan 26 09:31:19 righto, thanks Jan 26 09:32:03 thx koen Jan 26 09:32:34 I take it you were using "Additional Comment #9" for the ipk, right? Jan 26 09:32:56 (ie: the apm patch) Jan 26 09:33:16 CoreDump|home: I wrote it and then added to bugtracker Jan 26 09:34:03 how to check kernel major version in C? in other way then system('uname -r|cut')? Jan 26 09:35:15 What can be easier? Jan 26 09:35:23 oh, wait... inc Jan 26 09:35:25 err... in C Jan 26 09:35:28 hrw|work: note added Jan 26 09:35:33 hrw|work: use uname Jan 26 09:35:47 uname() Jan 26 09:35:53 CosmicPenguin: thx Jan 26 09:36:28 hrw|work: uname syscall? Jan 26 09:37:00 hrw|work: just library sorry man 3 uname Jan 26 09:37:50 hrw|work: there's one showstopper with GPE left though, the "keylaunch" problem, causing gpe-login to fail opening a session if your PDA's special keys have been configured in xserver-common Jan 26 09:38:20 zecke: alt-f2 man:uname ;) Jan 26 09:39:43 CoreDump|home: would that happen in standard install ? Jan 26 09:39:54 obergix[work]: yes Jan 26 09:40:02 -> showstopper Jan 26 09:40:13 not an issue for akita,yet tho Jan 26 09:40:18 CoreDump|home: ok Jan 26 09:44:12 FILES_openzaurus = "" in keylaunch.bb Jan 26 09:44:17 * koen hides Jan 26 09:45:16 ALLOW_EMPTY = 1 Jan 26 09:45:17 heh Jan 26 09:45:53 http://pastebin.ca/38679 - what do you think about it? Jan 26 09:46:13 koen: rather task-gpe change Jan 26 09:47:31 in my book that's quite a problem fo GPE as there is currently no way to configure the hot-keys or setup automatic screen rotatio Jan 26 09:47:39 n Jan 26 09:53:54 * koen would like autorotation as well Jan 26 09:57:21 koen: see chkhinge26 in o-hand svn (or wait for me to sort out a nice device manager type program ;-) ) Jan 26 09:57:50 that wouldn't solve the hotkey problem =) Jan 26 09:58:37 No, but it doesn't need a hotkey for rotation... Jan 26 09:59:08 * hrw|work was offensive in last commit Jan 26 09:59:16 crappix? Jan 26 10:00:48 ~lart sharp/lineo again Jan 26 10:00:48 * ibot does a little 'renice 20 -u sharp/lineo again' Jan 26 10:02:08 Is there a way to instruct bitbake to clean all project packages except the toolchain ? Jan 26 10:02:35 so it does not have to be rebuilt also... Jan 26 10:02:40 Ifaistos: bitbake -cclean all project pacakges except the toolchain Jan 26 10:02:49 hehe Jan 26 10:03:09 bitbake -i -> rebuild foo-regexp Jan 26 10:03:17 no other way currently.. Jan 26 10:03:45 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r63265a96... 10/packages/apmd/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Jan 26 10:03:45 apm: finally fixed suspend/resume problem on Zaurus with 2.4-crapix Jan 26 10:03:45 - rewritten /usr/bin/apm wrapper from shell to C and added into apm Jan 26 10:03:45 - now Zaurus machines can be suspended by non-root users Jan 26 10:03:45 - die Sharp, die! Jan 26 10:04:24 What's so bad about Sharp that they need to die? Jan 26 10:04:41 Ifaistos: Not yet. Once staging is packaged, this becomes a lot easier (and this is currently being planned) Jan 26 10:04:42 heh Jan 26 10:04:46 I don't see anything offensive there Jan 26 10:04:48 DataBeaver: 2.4-crapix kernels Jan 26 10:04:56 * CosmicPenguin blames Lineo Jan 26 10:05:08 I finally decided to be not offensive Jan 26 10:05:09 closed-source crap (qtopiaaaargh) Jan 26 10:05:20 but lineo/sharp should not touch kernels Jan 26 10:06:59 koen: =) Jan 26 10:07:44 koen: as Opie appears to be pretty dead ATM, that should be a problem for much longer Jan 26 10:09:10 that's what you get for 'cooperating' with TT on qtopia Jan 26 10:09:11 meh s/should/shouldn't / Jan 26 10:09:40 now I will have to push new apm into 3.5.3 upgrades too - but this will be at home - no 353 builddir here Jan 26 10:10:13 now only tosa keymap & tosa wifi block 3.5.4 Jan 26 10:12:01 I will ignore 631, 626, 625, 620, 618, 617, 616, 613, 612, 611, 610, 608, 350 Jan 26 10:12:11 lol Jan 26 10:12:15 a pity we can't just send a few Ninja-Yakuza over to Sharp HQ to knock some sense into them Jan 26 10:12:20 wrt the gaijin market :/ Jan 26 10:12:42 hrw|work: what's up w/ the tosa keymap? Jan 26 10:12:51 CoreDump|home: some keys are not mapped iirc Jan 26 10:13:16 that shouldn't be too hard to do for a volounteer Jan 26 10:13:21 CoreDump|home: mickeyl (our only tosa owner) has to look at it Jan 26 10:15:26 after release I want "OZ free" days Jan 26 10:15:51 =) go flash Sharp ROM then hehe Jan 26 10:16:14 CoreDump|home: I once had it on c760 - for <0.5h Jan 26 10:16:36 CoreDump|home: I got c760, unpacked, booted, looked, flashed OZ Jan 26 10:16:49 0.5h? lol, that never lifed more than 5m on my Z's =) Jan 26 10:17:47 CoreDump|home: I had sharprom on collie for ~2 weeks (lack of Cf card) Jan 26 10:18:01 heh Jan 26 10:18:46 and now you are the Release Manager of OpenZaurus, says a lot about the quality of Sharp ROM Jan 26 10:19:15 see ya later Jan 26 10:19:30 CoreDump|home: http://www.hrw.one.pl/en/my-year-with-zaurus/ - remember that? Jan 26 10:19:45 yeah Jan 26 10:19:47 2006-02-11 will be 2 years with Zaurus Jan 26 10:19:49 no need to remove OZ Jan 26 10:19:56 just run dosbox, and pretend your Z is an 8088 Jan 26 10:20:44 raduga: ;) Jan 26 10:21:25 anyway - getting OZ working at all on collie was fun - my first serious contribution to OE it was. Jan 26 10:22:22 or mabye start UAE and pretend it to be a (fast) Amiga Jan 26 10:22:40 CoreDump|home: I sold my amiga few years ago - dont want to go back. Jan 26 10:22:43 heh Jan 26 10:22:47 adidas is funny Jan 26 10:22:55 they don't list all products on their site Jan 26 10:22:58 too bad UAE has some bugs making it unusable =( Jan 26 10:23:10 but until 2006-01-10 I had original CygnusEd 4 ;) Jan 26 10:23:44 * koen wonders why they don't list the gsg9 boot Jan 26 10:24:44 ok. time to go - cu all Jan 26 10:24:48 cu Jan 26 10:25:00 later hrw|work Jan 26 10:25:00 have to buy 74HCT04 SMD Jan 26 10:25:39 74hct04 + max3387 + tcx3106 + db25 + wires = serial cable for Zaurus Jan 26 10:25:48 bye Jan 26 10:32:42 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * ra476c580... 10/packages/apmd/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Jan 26 10:32:43 apm: finally fixed suspend/resume problem on Zaurus with 2.4-crapix Jan 26 10:32:43 - rewritten /usr/bin/apm wrapper from shell to C and added into apm Jan 26 10:32:43 - now Zaurus machines can be suspended by non-root users Jan 26 10:32:43 - die Sharp, die! Jan 26 10:32:43 taken from .dev Jan 26 11:09:42 re Jan 26 11:59:08 is openembedded still missing ? Jan 26 11:59:19 wow... a bit long now... Jan 26 12:00:26 DNS screw up Jan 26 12:01:33 ok Jan 26 12:05:44 kergoth knows about the problem but he just started a new job and is living in a hotel, hopefully he can get it sorted out as things calm down for him Jan 26 12:06:23 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rfb5a7886... 10/packages/directfb/directfb_0.9.22.bb: directfb: also ship wm files Jan 26 12:07:57 having a backup would be nice in the future... Jan 26 12:08:09 Crofton: I mean a human Jan 26 12:08:15 the problem is he didn't pay his DNS provider :) Jan 26 12:08:44 it looks like he paid the important bill for the domain though :) Jan 26 12:09:13 Crofton: yeah, and a backup could pay the bill probably.... Jan 26 12:09:19 heh Jan 26 12:09:41 what is going on with the openemebedded.org server? Jan 26 12:09:43 were you around when when microsoft forgot to pay the bill for the hotmail domain? Jan 26 12:09:58 zecke: Jan 26 12:10:20 oh...that is what you all are talking about :-D Jan 26 12:10:39 http://news.com.com/2100-1023-234966.html Jan 26 12:10:41 I find it so stupid that you guys do marvels in the code and everybody suffers from stupidities like paying DNS... ;) Jan 26 12:11:03 heh Jan 26 12:11:07 i agree Jan 26 12:11:18 you should check out freedns.afraid.org Jan 26 12:11:33 they are free...and I've never had problems with them...very professional Jan 26 12:11:35 being a sysadmin, i don't. :/ Jan 26 12:12:21 raduga: don't agree with what ? Jan 26 12:12:24 (don't find it so stupid, that is) Jan 26 12:13:06 at least, not stupid relative to the rest of the mistakes that admins do, much of the time Jan 26 12:13:10 raduga: I don't know if it's that difficult in this situation to maintain that DNS, but still easier than hacking kernel reverse engineering some undocumented bits, no ? Jan 26 12:13:34 anyway, just messing other people's business here ;) Jan 26 12:13:43 easy to remember to do routine, scheduled maintenance? no way! Jan 26 12:18:14 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * re5947ae8... 10/packages/directfb/directfb_0.9.22.bb: directfb: also ship wm files Jan 26 12:31:44 are any of the distros for the handhelds using perl packages ? Jan 26 12:32:24 after a search only slugos seems to define perl packages Jan 26 12:40:19 Ifaistos: I don't think the handheld distros do Jan 26 12:40:55 i think perl support must be broken.... Jan 26 12:41:16 it fails on epia/x86 compiles Jan 26 12:42:16 RP: what are you doing on your platforms to handle powering up bluetooth chips and IR transceivers that are connected to UARTs? I'm going to clean up http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/developer/patches/viewpatch.php?id=2142/1 but wanted to check with you in case there's already another way of doing this. Jan 26 12:48:59 03koen 07org.oe.oz354fam083 * rb96c8235... 10/classes/module-base.bbclass: module-base.bbclass: fix miscompilation of out of tree kernel modules trying to access GPIO registers. Taken from .dev Jan 26 13:00:40 mreimer: I have nothing planned for this Jan 26 13:00:59 RP: ok, I'll clean up that patch and resubmit Jan 26 13:02:14 I have my ipaq h3800 :) :) :) with a dual CF+batt jacket , a comapq keyboard, a CF WiFi card :) :) :) Jan 26 13:02:42 go gremlin[it]! Jan 26 13:04:12 yes yes ... it's a h3870 ... so also BT :) ... my colegues want to see WinCE so i have to keep it for this night ... i'll sanitize it on week end ;) Jan 26 13:39:52 hello...should the latest from jan2006prebreakage always be buildable? is there a certain ver of gcc that should be used? Jan 26 13:54:23 heh - nobody has made a pmtools .bb yet... Jan 26 13:54:25 gee, I wonder why? Jan 26 14:12:54 anyone know a magical way to transfer 1 gig quickly over a very slow link :P Jan 26 14:15:09 write it to a DVD and mail it? Jan 26 14:17:40 CosmicPenguin: that option is starting to sound better and better Jan 26 14:17:50 lousy Asymetirc Links Jan 26 14:18:07 get a nice fast 20k/sec download but a suck 5k/sec upload Jan 26 14:19:17 anyone know a way to losslessly compress jpeg images? Jan 26 14:19:55 i think i buggered up my MT directory, would anyone care to share their options file? Jan 26 14:20:07 mithro: jpeg is lossy. png isn't Jan 26 14:20:37 don't underestimate sneakernet, like cosmicpenguin said. Jan 26 14:22:03 NAiL: i have a bunch of jpeg pictures, which I want to losslessly compress down to something much smaller :P Jan 26 14:22:24 hmmm, I suspect that would be hard Jan 26 14:22:46 kind of like ziping a zip file Jan 26 14:22:48 while you're at it, can you re-encode my mp3s as oggs? Jan 26 14:23:41 MT/options should contain : branch "org.openembedded.dev" as the first line? Jan 26 14:23:57 then a database path line, then a null key line - is that it? Jan 26 14:24:50 it's not as insane as it first sounds, Jpeg is really quite an old technology right? hence I should be able to compress them with a newer technology which preforms better then jpeg right? Jan 26 14:25:11 i wouldn't expect more than say 10% or something Jan 26 14:25:23 anyway, 1gig of jpeg - that isn't pr0n, isn't it? Jan 26 14:25:57 nope, uncompressed photos of my trip Jan 26 14:26:07 ok :) Jan 26 14:26:29 pr0n I would just burn to DVD :P Jan 26 14:26:42 jpeg is actually pretty new tech - based on wave functions, if i remember my image processing classes correctly. Jan 26 14:26:47 you could try jpeg2k or something, but as said, i wouldn't expect more than some percent gain Jan 26 14:27:04 you'll have to reduce the quality to reduce the size - it's that simple. Jan 26 14:27:05 jpeg is plain DCT, iirc. Jan 26 14:27:39 j2k does support wavelets and all that fancy stuff, but there must be a reason why nobody uses it. same for those "fractal compression stuff" which was popular like 6 years ago Jan 26 14:28:25 Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway. -- Andrew Tannenbaum Jan 26 14:30:05 why havn't people found a way to reverse md5sums into there original content ;) Jan 26 14:34:10 anybody on the MT/options file? Jan 26 14:42:50 * zecke just had his b-day nachos Jan 26 14:43:20 I would birthday babes Jan 26 14:43:27 er would like that is Jan 26 14:43:32 anyone know how to use rsync --exclude and --include to match all files "*-small.jpg" files but not "*.jpg" Jan 26 14:43:49 mithro: You only want a DIN A1 poster? Jan 26 14:44:35 DIN? Jan 26 14:45:12 German Industry Norm Jan 26 14:46:06 mithro: I will take care of the printing Jan 26 14:46:22 woglinde: ping! how much print quota did you use yet on your zedat account? Jan 26 14:46:58 dunno what the German Industry Norm is, but a standard A1 size poster is what I'm after (or about 3 if you can get that many :) Jan 26 14:56:54 zecke: ping! Jan 26 14:57:36 mithro: pong Jan 26 14:58:07 * mithro points to [23:49] dunno what the German Industry Norm is, but a standard A1 size poster is what I'm after (or about 3 if you can get that many :) Jan 26 14:59:51 mithro: I have not looked at the prices yet Jan 26 15:00:13 mithro: I should be able to create a zedat university account and I could print one A1 poster on my quota Jan 26 15:00:53 okay thanks Jan 26 15:01:04 as I said I'm willing to pay for em :P Jan 26 15:03:03 mithro: I'm trying to find the lower fare first Jan 26 15:04:09 i'm currently trying to find ways to get to FOSDEM without breaking my budget Jan 26 15:07:47 i am trying to get the prebreakage stuff but monotone returns an error Jan 26 15:07:48 it's much cheaper to fly to brussels from Milan Jan 26 15:07:50 monotone: misuse: working copy directory required but not found Jan 26 15:08:46 this is the complete command -> monotone update -rjan2006prebreakage Jan 26 15:11:03 and what is the error? Jan 26 15:14:55 found it.... i was in the wrong dir... this is what happens after 15hours non stop with oe ;) Jan 26 15:17:11 Currently my best option seems to be, Jan 26 15:18:02 Fast Train - Rome to Milan, Flight - Milan to Brussels, Flight - Brussels to Rome Jan 26 15:19:57 mithro : check with orbtiz and expedia Jan 26 15:20:15 sometimes you can get very competitive pricing Jan 26 15:22:19