**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun May 14 09:59:56 2006 May 14 10:08:21 I got nothing but spam this weekend May 14 10:17:49 ahonore : libc or uclibc ? i had another person having problems with libc May 14 12:17:27 hi May 14 12:18:38 hey woglinde May 14 12:19:13 koen is monotone 0.26 usabel for oe? May 14 12:19:20 useable May 14 12:19:44 if you forget about the protocol incompatibilities and the new database format, yes May 14 12:20:10 so that's a no May 14 12:20:19 hm???? May 14 12:23:11 woglinde: wait for zecke's upgrade proposal before installing >= 0.26 May 14 12:23:26 to late *g* May 14 12:25:28 hi all May 14 12:27:24 likewise: likewise May 14 12:27:31 hi likewise May 14 12:29:53 * chouimat is back. May 14 12:30:01 re chouimat May 14 12:30:26 morning May 14 12:31:42 * koen updates http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/OE/index.html May 14 12:33:06 ~spell sourceable May 14 12:33:10 possible spellings for sourceable: source able source-able sociable sortable suckable squeezable sizable serviceable suitable forcible sociably summable May 14 12:35:59 hey zecke May 14 12:36:41 zecke: we need some guidelines for the OE tree in the docbook examples May 14 12:36:56 /OE vs $OEDIR, etc May 14 12:37:38 he zecke May 14 12:38:18 * chouimat is waiting for Chapter to be complete :) May 14 12:38:26 errr % May 14 12:38:29 err 5 May 14 12:41:24 koen: /where/is/OE? May 14 12:42:05 03koen 07org.oe.documentation * rc7c4334f... 10/usermanual/usermanual.xml: usermanual/usermanual.xml: sourcable -> source-able May 14 12:42:10 03koen 07org.oe.documentation * rdf0dc162... 10/usermanual/usermanual.xml: usermanual/usermanual.xml: insert a : between and /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games May 14 12:42:17 heh May 14 12:42:25 stupid shell expansion May 14 12:42:50 next I'll use '' with -m instead of "" May 14 12:43:31 zecke: and it seems our writing styles are different May 14 12:43:47 koen: do you know which tool is recently favored to for recording the screen to flash? May 14 12:43:50 koen: mine suck ;) May 14 12:43:51 zecke: you do "example, text" and I do "test: example" May 14 12:44:05 test, I avoid tests May 14 12:44:14 s/test/text/ May 14 12:44:26 koen: you have Descrbing the screen? May 14 12:44:27 "recording the screen to flash"? May 14 12:44:46 I use for examples May 14 12:44:48 koen: recording a movie from the X Display May 14 12:45:11 istanbul or byzanz May 14 12:45:24 koen: I have no strong feeling... I thought I had followed your style May 14 12:45:49 zecke: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ScreenCasting May 14 12:46:14 zecke: I have no strong feeling either, just a feeling we need a style guide :) May 14 12:46:33 koen: write it as doocbook article ;) May 14 12:48:11 koen: hmm I thought there was a better tool... May 14 12:48:28 zecke: check the references: section May 14 12:49:32 zecke: and I think I broke pdf generation with those funky nordic characters.... May 14 12:50:41 koen: I think I wanted wink May 14 12:56:01 damn, http://www.oesources.org/source/current/JavaScriptCore_cvs.sourceforge.net__20060212.tar.gz is still not available, is there any other place to get it? May 14 12:58:42 katossi: sourceforge cvs May 14 12:59:56 koen: could I run the source checker on ewi? May 14 13:00:02 koen: do we have enough place? May 14 13:00:38 koen: could bitbake take the file from sf if oesources fails? May 14 13:00:59 katossi: bitbake does not have super cow powers May 14 13:01:11 zecke: drat, what happened to them? May 14 13:01:13 koen: france was not in #hh.org the recent 10 days May 14 13:01:42 katossi: is it failing to fetch using cvs? May 14 13:01:56 * koen -> train now May 14 13:01:58 katossi: this tarball stash is just a feature, it will fallback to the real thing May 14 13:02:08 koen: Great the doppler effect ;) May 14 13:02:43 sorry, it was trying to get it from the cvs, but It's failing May 14 13:02:58 I'm having so many problems with sf lately, I don't believe it May 14 13:04:09 katossi: well, sf.net changed their cvs service May 14 13:06:26 katossi: it is likely we will need to adjust each SF.net cvs account May 14 13:08:02 ok May 14 13:08:53 oops May 14 13:13:23 my gpe-images compiled from .dev for akita don't get anything from the touchscreen, have any of you had any experiences like that? May 14 13:14:15 katossi: not me but I have not tried it recently May 14 13:14:18 katossi: debug it May 14 13:14:28 katossi: Topic: Touchscreen is not working May 14 13:14:41 katossi: Hypothesis: libts is not working correctly May 14 13:15:19 katossi: Now try to proof it ;) May 14 13:15:22 katossi: next hypothesis would be kernel is broken May 14 13:15:29 katossi: or X is broken May 14 13:15:44 katossi: or cosmic energy ;) May 14 13:15:46 zecke: grrr, could be anything basically May 14 13:15:47 :) May 14 13:16:27 no May 14 13:16:30 I'll debug it tomorrow, I was trying to get an image from oz354 but this downloading problems are pissing me off May 14 13:16:37 touchscreen, quite easy, we have good tools for that May 14 13:17:16 hrw|gone: do you have the sources for oz354? May 14 13:17:16 katossi: also oz354x would be the better rbanch :} May 14 13:17:40 yes I do May 14 13:18:16 katossi: the ts utilities are awesome May 14 13:18:28 katossi: you can use ts_print_raw and see if the ts reports any samples May 14 13:18:40 katossi: ts_calibrate to calibrate and ts_test to draw May 14 13:18:41 wonderful tools :) May 14 13:19:05 * zecke waits for his food... May 14 13:19:58 the problem was I didn't know how to chanche to a console from the "frozen" X session May 14 13:20:46 *food* May 14 13:20:57 ssh login? May 14 13:21:07 later May 14 13:21:48 later and thx a lot May 14 13:22:12 is there any combinations of keys to go to a console? May 14 13:24:56 hi all May 14 13:29:40 03rw 07org.oe.dev * rdcac47e5... 10/packages/gtk-webcore/ (8 files): gtk-webcore: fix SRC_URI to reflect SF.net CVS changes May 14 13:29:51 hi, can someone provide a NAND backup for poodle with pxa255 ? May 14 13:32:21 zecke: the 'handmade' section is more like a preface for the usermanual May 14 13:32:31 03koen 07org.oe.documentation * r45fbc11f... 10/usermanual/usermanual.xml: usermanual: use some more s May 14 13:37:33 zecke: which chapter needs to get added before you announce the branch + manual to oe@? May 14 13:41:20 03koen 07org.oe.documentation * r4164c0ea... 10/usermanual/usermanual.xml: usermanual: be consistent in the examples May 14 13:41:52 "78 responses in this database" May 14 13:41:53 cute May 14 13:42:32 koen|train: survey? May 14 13:43:37 yes May 14 13:48:33 re May 14 13:48:39 * chouimat is away: stuff and wifi debugging :( May 14 13:49:08 koen|train: well... we could announce in the spirit of May 14 13:49:21 koen|train: "OpenEmbedded Documentation Team is hiring, apply today" May 14 13:49:43 'donate 2 macbook pros and get some better docs' May 14 13:50:35 koen|train: one -> zecke, other -> al, you don't want one? May 14 13:50:41 heh May 14 13:50:46 03koen 07org.oe.documentation * rab9d8333... 10/usermanual/usermanual.xml: usermanual: be consistent in the examples May 14 13:51:02 ~lart TextEdit.app May 14 13:51:02 * ibot nukes TextEdit.app with a single large nuke May 14 13:54:45 koen|train: let me try wink first May 14 13:59:49 * koen|train wonders what zecke is going to capture May 14 14:08:01 zecke: announcing it would mean more people know about it -> more contributions May 14 14:08:07 or am I being naive again? May 14 14:09:04 koen|tra1n: no, not at all May 14 14:09:18 koen|tra1n: but there is no such as thing 0.01 human May 14 14:09:35 and adding these won't end up with 1.0 ;) May 14 14:10:21 zecke: do you know the date when OE was founded/started? May 14 14:10:33 a timeline in the history sections would be nice May 14 14:11:02 when was kergoth born? May 14 14:11:06 heh May 14 14:11:16 '79 iirc May 14 14:11:49 * koen|tra1n -> bus now May 14 14:11:50 later all May 14 14:24:03 maybe someone know this problem too, i flashed my poodle a while ago with a 2.6 kernel, now i flashed a 2.4 kernel and the home partition isnt mounted May 14 14:24:41 coredump said the only solution he knows of is to do a nand restore May 14 14:42:03 all: is there a class that builds a local root filesystem (not an image) on my host? (for NFS export purposes) May 14 14:42:19 likewise: well :) May 14 14:42:27 likewise: look into deploy May 14 14:42:39 we used to have something called 'root' there May 14 14:45:34 rootfs_ipk? May 14 14:49:21 likewise: yes? May 14 14:49:28 likewise: bitbake foo-image May 14 14:49:44 likewise: will use rootfs_ipk to populate a directory with ipackages May 14 14:49:59 likewise: and then package it up as jffs2 or tar.gz (depending on your options) May 14 14:50:09 likewise: but take a look in deploy May 14 14:50:27 likewise: you will see you have a ready to go nfsroot... May 14 14:50:57 well, not until I started a new build... my ep93xx hardware died yesterday - so I switched to ixp4xx today... May 14 14:51:18 you still have the OE setup around don't you? May 14 14:53:38 well, just checked out again in a fresh dir, why? May 14 14:53:50 likewise: you could have looked at deploy ;) May 14 14:54:22 ah yes :-) but I ran out of disk space. I´m now using rm_work (or work_rm) for that purpose. May 14 14:58:58 re May 14 14:59:00 wb May 14 14:59:03 koen: wink is quite nice May 14 14:59:38 zecke: it's a bitch to build May 14 14:59:44 I tried adding it to OE last year May 14 14:59:46 and failed May 14 14:59:59 koen: wink has sourcecode? May 14 15:01:58 I think it does May 14 15:02:17 it hasn't -> hard to build ;) May 14 15:02:36 ah, then it was some other screen->flash app May 14 15:02:45 vnc2swf? May 14 15:03:07 we will announce the docu, once I have one screencast ready :) May 14 15:13:56 zecke-plays-pacman.swf May 14 15:14:16 zecke-plays-build-qtopia May 14 15:14:37 and build opie apps against it? May 14 15:14:59 no May 14 15:16:45 * koen wonders if maple survived the 10.4 upgrade May 14 15:17:11 koen: who needs OE, Qtopia has a configure script :} May 14 15:17:32 but I understand the reasoning May 14 15:18:05 EXTRA_OECONF = "--disable-FUD --enable-opie-compat" May 14 15:18:07 * koen hides May 14 15:25:05 heh May 14 15:25:07 "It kind of surprised me that you couldn't find this out with a Google search, as the person who submitted the patch was from Google." May 14 15:25:18 the usual fun on L-A-K May 14 15:33:05 koen: luckily I run GNOME, either I would feel bad that it currently builds a Qt3... May 14 15:33:24 koen: it is there for QtopiaDesktop, but that isn't gpl anyway... May 14 15:39:39 i am using libc i have a number of problems with glibc compiling May 14 15:39:55 under x86 and epia May 14 15:41:16 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * ra4604133... 10/packages/meta/task-qpe.bb: task-qpe: add the new opie environment apps qpphoto and xqt2 May 14 15:42:41 mickey|zzZZzz: good morning May 14 15:42:57 *food* May 14 15:43:30 can anyone get an x86 to build off the latest code? May 14 15:45:03 ahonore: x86 host, right? May 14 15:48:47 yes May 14 15:48:50 i686 May 14 15:49:11 what breaks? May 14 15:49:29 glibc when it get to gas May 14 15:49:42 you are compiling on the EPIA? that's a 586, are you sure the toolchain is not made for i686? May 14 15:50:06 well i have done both May 14 15:50:17 i am on a i686 May 14 15:50:29 use ntpl for glibc? May 14 15:50:32 I think most processors (Nehemiah) miss one i686 instruction. May 14 15:50:42 an di have tried to target i586 and i686 and the error is the same May 14 15:50:46 ahonore: "glibc when it get to gas"??? May 14 15:50:56 ahonore: I think gas is part of binutils May 14 15:50:58 OK, good. then that won't be the issue I guess May 14 15:51:24 let me see if i can get the error log May 14 15:52:00 ~pastebin May 14 15:52:02 somebody said pastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com May 14 15:52:14 yea for some reason this actually happens while gcc 4.0 compiling May 14 15:53:05 all: my OE build stops after each package. I added INHERIT += "rm_work". If I run bitbake it builds the next, then stops. And so on. May 14 15:53:20 iirc only glibc 2.3.6 and beyond are gcc 4 safe May 14 15:54:12 likewise: then don't do that ;) May 14 15:55:44 I'm getting an error compiling pcmciautils, I get: make: /usr/bin/ln: Command not found May 14 15:55:56 but ln is in /bin/ln May 14 15:56:07 where can I change that behavior? May 14 15:56:13 katossi: is touchscreen working yet? May 14 15:56:40 zecke: nops, trying to get a oz354x image, I'll get on that tomorrow May 14 15:56:46 i was wrong it is have an endian problem May 14 15:57:09 i though intel arch was big endin May 14 15:57:29 katossi: fix the touchscreen issue first May 14 15:57:46 katossi: and for pcmcia utils, look why it wants to use /usr/bin/ln? May 14 15:57:48 zecke: I don't have the devices here, they're in the uni May 14 15:58:04 katossi: ah well May 14 15:59:12 zecke: I don't know well how bitbake works, so I don't know where that ln linking is coming from, could it come from the bb files? May 14 15:59:26 probably the pcmciautils makefile May 14 15:59:31 katossi: BitBake is not calling 'ln' May 14 15:59:37 katossi: it builds a software package May 14 15:59:42 katossi: in this case it is pcmciautils May 14 16:00:07 katossi: pcmciautils is build in a working directory, you should see the name of the working directory in the error message May 14 16:00:20 katossi: pcmciautils is likely using a buildsystem May 14 16:00:26 katossi: I assume it is autoconf/automake May 14 16:00:37 katossi: it will run ./configure and create a config.log file May 14 16:00:42 katossi: open that file and search for ln May 14 16:00:59 katossi: BRANCH: if you find /usr/bin/ln proceed May 14 16:01:12 katossi: if you don't search at another place May 14 16:01:31 I see it:/usr/bin/ln -sf /home/colbedded/stuff/tmp/work/pcmciautils-013-r3/image/sbin/pccardctl /home/colbedded/stuff/tmp/work/pcmciautils-013-r3/image/sbin/lspcmcia May 14 16:01:59 ok I understand May 14 16:02:12 katossi: that is in 'image' it is not within the source code May 14 16:02:30 katossi: these files might have been created. Does pcmciautils fail on building or when ran on the device? May 14 16:02:33 I'll take a look May 14 16:02:44 building May 14 16:04:00 hey all May 14 16:04:03 hey May 14 16:04:12 katossi: so we might have two problems ;) May 14 16:04:28 katossi: installed files (on the target device) might point to the wrong binary May 14 16:04:33 katossi: and building fails ;) May 14 16:05:53 okay /bin/ln is required by the FHS... May 14 16:06:48 "ERROR: Building of Qtopia has failed" May 14 16:06:57 ljp: which script do I run nowß May 14 16:09:39 zecke: the configure log is empty, what does that mean? no configure was taken place or what? May 14 16:10:23 katossi: dunno :) May 14 16:10:29 katossi: fallback grepping for ln ;) May 14 16:10:46 if it hardcodes the path to ln it should use /bin/ln :} May 14 16:11:33 what are the run.do* files? May 14 16:11:49 "Suggest your ARM "guru" reads up the ARM ARM description of the "tst" May 14 16:11:52 instruction and re-evaluates his conclusions." May 14 16:11:53 lol May 14 16:12:03 katossi: they are created by bitbake and executed May 14 16:12:17 katossi: they are in a 'temp' directory... May 14 16:12:27 katossi: go to the source *luke* May 14 16:13:20 :) May 14 16:13:35 in tmp/work ? May 14 16:13:36 katossi: there can be only two more directories, one is the source May 14 16:13:48 katossi: BitBake can execute python and shell May 14 16:14:03 katossi: for executing (on patch,configure,compile,install) May 14 16:14:15 katossi: it create a shell script and executes the shell function May 14 16:14:35 katossi: these are saved in 'tem' and labeled run.do_TASKNAME.BLABLA May 14 16:14:55 katossi: it can save the logs in log.do_TASKNAME.BLABLA (if you ask it to) May 14 16:15:05 I have located the run.do_configure May 14 16:15:07 katossi: but you want to look into the source May 14 16:15:13 katossi: leave 'temp' May 14 16:15:18 ok May 14 16:15:19 katossi: you are a CS student? May 14 16:15:27 I am May 14 16:15:36 I feel embarrased now May 14 16:15:50 :} May 14 16:15:55 this was not my intention May 14 16:16:09 I understand perfectly what you said but I could not say in english what I wanted May 14 16:16:10 sorry May 14 16:16:40 katossi: in that work/.../pcmciautils-?-? dir, you will have the source! May 14 16:16:56 katossi: a 'temp' directory and other directroies for packaging May 14 16:17:13 I'm there May 14 16:17:14 katossi: go to the source directory (the one with the many *.c *.h files) May 14 16:17:27 now grep for /usr/bin/ln May 14 16:17:45 or look into config.log (I'm only guessing that it is autotools based) May 14 16:18:15 I found it in makefile: SYMLINK = /usr/bin/ln -sf May 14 16:19:21 katossi: now is that Makefile generated? (probably not) May 14 16:19:32 I think not May 14 16:19:45 katossi: take a breath ;) May 14 16:19:59 katossi: quilt new katossi-fhs-ln.patch May 14 16:20:07 katossi: quilt edit makefile May 14 16:20:18 koen: remove the /usr and exit May 14 16:20:23 katossi: remove the /usr and exit May 14 16:20:24 katossi: quilt refresh May 14 16:20:35 you have patched your first package (for OE at least) May 14 16:22:20 thx a lot, absolutely instructive lesson :9 May 14 16:22:32 katossi: you want to leave early? May 14 16:22:40 nops May 14 16:22:48 katossi: have found more sources of /usr/bin/ln ? May 14 16:22:56 nops May 14 16:23:01 that was the only place May 14 16:23:35 vim patches/katossi-fhs-ln.patch May 14 16:23:42 but I'm having problems with quilt edit May 14 16:23:42 write some lines why this patch is necessary May 14 16:23:55 katossi: do you know vi? May 14 16:24:01 yes May 14 16:24:06 zecke: any chance of adding SuperH as hardware in bugzilla May 14 16:24:06 it's the console May 14 16:24:13 I'm working in a ssh session May 14 16:24:32 and vi it's unusable for some reason May 14 16:24:48 KenJlime: ask koen, he is an admin for bugzilla May 14 16:27:13 koen: :D wake up man May 14 16:28:23 katossi: another editor is working? May 14 16:28:30 katossi: you can set EDITOR=my-edit May 14 16:29:25 ok cool, nano works fine here May 14 16:29:57 is BBversion 1.4.3 stable? May 14 16:30:20 ahonore: it had not be proofen yet May 14 16:30:27 ahonore: have you found an error? May 14 16:31:37 i am having major problems building glibc May 14 16:31:49 ahonore: and you suspect bitbake? May 14 16:32:20 ahonore: until now I have not been able to see a pattern in your 'strategy' May 14 16:32:38 zecke: it worked!!!! awesome. What about the patch, should I post it to the bugtracker? May 14 16:32:56 quilt rules May 14 16:33:00 katossi: yes, but you can edit the bb file as well to apply it :) May 14 16:33:03 katossi: it does! May 14 16:33:14 katossi: anyway copy the file to a save place ;) May 14 16:33:20 gonna get some food, thx again May 14 16:33:31 katossi: which distro is that anyway? May 14 16:33:57 debian I think, it's the blade in the uni May 14 16:33:58 it has to do with the downloading of packages and moving them to the work dir and then not being able to fidn what it download May 14 16:34:56 ahonore: I'm still not able to get an impression on what you are doing or what the error is... May 14 16:34:58 and the files don't seem to be untar/ziped into the dirs either May 14 16:35:10 the files == ? May 14 16:35:26 Importing patch /home/bitbake/pvr/org.openembedded.dev/packages/glibc/glibc-cvs/arm-longlong.patch (stored as arm-longlong.patch) May 14 16:35:27 Applying patch arm-longlong.patch May 14 16:35:27 can't find file to patch at input line 3 May 14 16:36:11 ahonore: does this file exist? May 14 16:37:43 yes May 14 16:38:00 are you out of space? May 14 16:38:12 ahonore: this is executing quilt import (not bitbake) May 14 16:39:07 hmm, since this is an x86 build why would i need an arm patch? May 14 16:39:39 assume the following May 14 16:40:01 you have 6 architectures each with multiple configurations May 14 16:40:06 zecke: everybody keeps that I'm a bugzilla admin, but I am not May 14 16:40:16 assume the 'patch' tree it spawns May 14 16:40:30 ahonore: how assume you want to add a patch that applies to all platforms May 14 16:40:50 s/keeps/ keeps saying/ May 14 16:40:56 ahonore: either everything goes well, or you end up having to make this patch work on ... May 14 16:41:03 :D May 14 16:41:05 haha May 14 16:41:11 koen: whos the admin then? May 14 16:41:19 koen: greg said he added you May 14 16:41:23 zecke: I suspect ggilbert added the bits to my other userid May 14 16:41:23 mickey|zzZZzz: ping! May 14 16:41:35 koen: to you evil side? May 14 16:41:36 pöng May 14 16:41:39 mickeyl: hey May 14 16:41:44 mickeyl: are you a bugzilla admin? May 14 16:42:06 possible. what's your concern? May 14 16:42:07 which is the correct userid May 14 16:42:16 ggilbert: koen@dominion.kabel.utwente.nl May 14 16:42:18 ahonore: tell me, why is quilt import failing? May 14 16:42:33 off the top of my head, I think mickey, one of the koen's, pb, and I are admins May 14 16:42:34 mickeyl: I any possibility to add "SuperH" as a hardware? May 14 16:42:35 ahonore: either the patch does not exist, or your disk is full, or you use reiserfs May 14 16:42:42 but I'm going to fix up koen May 14 16:42:49 i don't think we have Hardware at all yet May 14 16:43:27 mickeyl: on the bugzilla i mean May 14 16:43:28 we have three products May 14 16:43:30 and then product versions May 14 16:43:31 mickeyl: we have ARM ;) May 14 16:43:35 where do we have arM? May 14 16:43:36 KenJlime, it would be a platform not hardware May 14 16:43:43 Ah, platform then :D May 14 16:44:20 ah May 14 16:44:22 * mickeyl finally found May 14 16:44:25 ~lart bugzilla May 14 16:44:25 * ibot puts bugzilla into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of bugzilla's hair of May 14 16:44:29 i want mantis back :/ May 14 16:44:35 * mickeyl adds SuperH May 14 16:44:43 like that? or a different spelling? May 14 16:44:53 like that May 14 16:45:07 mickeyl, are you adding the other ones while your at it? May 14 16:45:13 which ones? May 14 16:45:21 or did koen do taht yesterday? May 14 16:45:30 Edit field value... Sortkey Action May 14 16:45:30 All 100 Delete May 14 16:45:30 ARM 200 Delete May 14 16:45:30 MIPS 300 Delete May 14 16:45:30 Macintosh 400 Delete May 14 16:45:31 PC 500 Delete May 14 16:45:32 the ipaq and z families May 14 16:45:33 Sun 600 Delete May 14 16:45:35 SuperH 650 Delete May 14 16:45:37 Other 700 (Default value) May 14 16:45:39 that's what we have atm. May 14 16:45:47 do we really need the individual machines?? May 14 16:45:53 no please May 14 16:46:01 not individual, just series i was thinking May 14 16:46:24 makes filetering on family/series easier when looking for bugs May 14 16:47:12 since you would use arm for every ipaq and zaurus made May 14 16:47:42 hmm May 14 16:47:46 we need to give that a bit more thought May 14 16:48:13 ehm May 14 16:48:18 distro isnt really valid as may things are not dtable specific May 14 16:48:22 18:57 < mickeyl> All 100 Delete May 14 16:48:22 18:57 < mickeyl> ARM 200 Delete May 14 16:48:22 18:57 < mickeyl> MIPS 300 Delete May 14 16:48:22 18:57 < mickeyl> Macintosh 400 Delete May 14 16:48:22 18:57 < mickeyl> PC 500 Delete May 14 16:48:23 stable* May 14 16:48:33 that needs some cleaning May 14 16:48:41 'macintosh' isn't an arch May 14 16:48:42 koen: fixed. I had assumed the hh.o account was the right one :p May 14 16:48:44 heh May 14 16:48:55 koen: well, it's a build arch May 14 16:48:58 isn't it? ;) May 14 16:49:04 which mac? May 14 16:49:08 which PC May 14 16:49:11 the 68k, the powerpc(s) or the intel? May 14 16:49:14 same type of thing May 14 16:49:19 yeah, perhaps better IntelOSX May 14 16:49:24 PPCOSX May 14 16:49:27 IntelWindows May 14 16:49:30 PPCWindows May 14 16:49:32 ? May 14 16:50:23 ggilbert: I thought I didn't get bugzilla, but I discovered the 'permissions' summary this week :) May 14 16:50:47 I updated the utwente account now May 14 16:51:16 PC would need to be changed to AMD, AMD64, IA32, IA64 etc which comes back to my suggestion for series/families again May 14 16:51:37 koen: not sure how you've been using it all this time. You didn't have any permissions :p May 14 16:52:01 ggilbert: I think I tried the 'rename' feature in bugzilla May 14 16:52:26 ggilbert: and I sent you a mail asking to transfer the perms, which iirc you did May 14 16:55:19 03justinp 07org.oe.oz354x * r4b5a91e9... 10/packages/meta/task-e-x11.bb: task-e-x11: fix DEPENDS and RDEPENDS May 14 16:56:51 ahonore: you around? May 14 16:57:01 yea May 14 16:59:43 mickeyl: did you get your phone yet? May 14 17:02:22 does anyone have a buildroot of an x86 config that works May 14 17:02:58 koen: no. May 14 17:03:00 :/ May 14 17:03:34 waiting hurts May 14 17:04:42 Five Stages of Acquisition: infatuation, justification, appropriation, obsession, and resale. May 14 17:04:51 hehe May 14 17:05:04 ahonore: why can't it write the file? May 14 17:05:25 hmm May 14 17:05:37 there are sites that claim that fltk has a fb-backend May 14 17:05:44 that's false May 14 17:08:25 that can't be May 14 17:08:32 everything on the internet is true May 14 17:08:42 that's what i thought as well May 14 17:13:31 hmmm May 14 17:13:32 http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/maemo/.message/25d78 May 14 17:13:47 any volunteers to add those to OE? May 14 17:14:14 large parts of telepathy are already in, so we could roll our own IT2006 release ;) May 14 17:14:22 mickeyl: thx for adding SuperH May 14 17:14:39 koen: might send a mail to oe@ and request that. there are folks among the subscribers who really want to see that happen May 14 17:15:30 KenJlime: np May 14 17:15:32 koen: hehe, using EABI? May 14 17:16:06 zecke: I won't comment on that ;) May 14 17:16:34 I'm going to try generating site files in sb for EABI May 14 17:16:55 koen: Isn't sb asking your ipaq to run the tests? May 14 17:17:16 zecke: only with sbrsh, otherwise it'll use qemu May 14 17:18:13 i have no idea this is harder than doing it by hand May 14 17:18:54 one of these days I need to test a pxaXrom release May 14 17:19:05 do they still need fs repartitioning? May 14 17:19:06 ahonore: you have not answered any question, it might be wise to do it by hand or buildroot May 14 17:20:18 i am not sure why it won't copy the file i did a manual bitbake on the specific file and it failed on something totally different May 14 17:20:37 ahonore: I won't repeat myself, It is not bitbake copying that file May 14 17:20:44 mickeyl: yes, unless you dig twm May 14 17:20:45 ahonore: it is a quilt import, isn't it? May 14 17:21:02 koen: *cough* no, they're not still using that? i thought they were shipping mb May 14 17:21:03 ahonore: is your disk full? May 14 17:21:11 anyway read or leave it... May 14 17:21:15 as far as i know, but i know zero about quilt May 14 17:21:17 mickeyl: if you don't repartition you end up with twm May 14 17:21:25 mmh May 14 17:21:26 no my disk ahs lots of space May 14 17:21:30 * mickeyl forgets that May 14 17:23:14 i am going to remove the tmp dir and tart the build over May 14 17:23:49 ahonore: a rule of thumb: If you ask for help, try to express your issue clearly, and read responses May 14 17:24:10 ahonore: until now I'm not even close to have enough samples to even figure out what you are trying May 14 17:24:20 zecke: thumb, thumb2 or thumb2EE? May 14 17:24:31 ahonore: "x86, gas, glibc, fail, quilt, bitbake, all files" <-not useful information May 14 17:24:58 yea i know sorry, i am trying to get a consisit error May 14 17:24:59 03dirk 07org.oe.oz354x * rba8f1092... 10/conf/machine/tosa-2.6.conf: machine/tosa-2.6.conf: add missing BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_DEPENDS += "wlan-ng-modules" May 14 17:25:01 koen: for EABI? May 14 17:25:11 and then i am going to e-mail what i am doing May 14 17:25:16 zecke: you said rule of thumb ;) May 14 17:25:25 ah May 14 17:25:27 i mean explain (i need sleep) May 14 17:25:36 ahonore: hehe sleep well ;) May 14 17:28:46 * mickeyl yawns May 14 17:28:58 mother day is giving me headaches May 14 17:29:13 too much conversation May 14 17:29:22 ok this is what i have done May 14 17:29:48 1. the build error in glibc i had before were 2.3.2 which is not gcc compat May 14 17:30:05 to i removed them from the oe/packages/glibc dir May 14 17:30:29 removed oe/packages/glibc? why did you do that? May 14 17:30:34 i then download glibc-2.4.tar.gz and placed that in sources May 14 17:30:39 do you rob banks at random as well? ;) May 14 17:31:17 * mickeyl chuckles May 14 17:31:26 basically the problem i am having now is that it will not patch the 2.4 version og glibc and the error log is empty May 14 17:31:55 ahonore: well you have removed a complete directory? May 14 17:32:06 not the hole dir :) just the ../packages/glibc/glibc 2.3.2 stuff May 14 17:32:36 ahonore: PREFERRED_VERSION can do the same trick May 14 17:32:58 ahonore: use bitbake -DDD to have more output May 14 17:33:11 ahonore: but as I think it is a issue with quilt May 14 17:35:35 do_patchcmd May 14 17:35:36 + pnum=1 May 14 17:35:36 + name=arm-memcpy.patch May 14 17:35:36 + patch=/home/bitbake/pvr/org.openembedded.dev/packages/glibc/glibc-2.4/arm-memcpy.patch May 14 17:35:36 + mkdir -p patches May 14 17:35:36 + quilt upgrade May 14 17:35:41 and i know you are right May 14 17:36:16 quilt must be seg faulting or something May 14 17:36:28 find / -name '.pc' ;) May 14 17:38:29 what is the hidden .pc file May 14 17:38:37 ahonore: you might have a .pc directory (from quilt) in your tree... May 14 17:38:44 ahonore: quilt stores the original files there May 14 17:38:59 ahonore: when you do quilt OP it searches for a '.pc' directory... May 14 17:39:40 is there any documentation on this stuff? May 14 17:40:28 ahonore: quilt, the quilt manual May 14 17:40:34 ahonore: what is find giving? May 14 17:42:16 it didn't find any May 14 17:43:08 i removed my entire work directory jsut to build the glibc bb May 14 17:43:24 so it is the only file in tmp/work May 14 17:43:29 well dir May 14 17:43:31 ahonore: you have lost me again... May 14 17:44:23 the tmp directy under build May 14 17:45:19 find / -name .pc May 14 17:45:25 when i do bitbake task-bootstrap May 14 17:45:39 that is getting too chaotic... May 14 17:46:01 i removed the entire tmp dir May 14 17:46:12 ahonore: sorry, enough time wasted May 14 17:46:19 and ran bitbake ../org.openembedded.dev/packages/glibc/glibc_2.4.bb May 14 17:46:44 so i am saying its the only file i am trying to build May 14 17:47:12 ahonore: that doesn't make any sense at all... May 14 17:47:22 ahonore: either you rand task-bootstrap or built a file directly... May 14 17:47:48 i ran task-bootstrap first May 14 17:48:02 it built files and errored on glibc May 14 17:48:04 ahonore: well, remember the rule of thumb May 14 17:48:21 and i did this many times changing my config many times May 14 17:48:32 ahonore: how does this information relate to the log you have pasted above? May 14 17:48:42 then i decided to remove the tmp dir May 14 17:48:44 anyway I need to get things done now May 14 17:48:52 and start over whith just building that single file May 14 17:49:40 it is the log information of the configure of glibc-2.4 patch failure May 14 17:49:55 and the last line i pasted is the last line of the file May 14 17:50:45 so i know it is quilt that is causing the problem i don't know anything about quilt so i am going back to compiling by hand May 14 17:51:08 ahonore: bitbake -DDD -b /bla/bla/.../glibc_2.4.bb -cclean -f May 14 17:51:11 ahonore: bitbake -DDD -b /bla/bla/.../glibc_2.4.bb -cpatch -f May 14 17:51:44 ahonore: and you might have deleted one file too many? May 14 17:52:59 same error May 14 17:53:23 ahonore: sure, deterministic. wonderful ;) May 14 17:53:38 ahonore: read the errror, I don't know what you have deleted... moved or done May 14 17:54:10 i have done a lot :) with no luck May 14 17:54:21 but after i do something i restore it back May 14 17:54:46 i have been doing this since yesterday May 14 17:55:17 changing my config the file in oe/packeges/glibs May 14 17:55:23 will be back in two hours May 14 17:55:26 so i am pretty sure it is quilt May 14 17:55:32 thanks for the help May 14 17:55:41 you are welcome May 14 17:55:41 but i think i am going to give up :) May 14 17:56:42 ahonore: with the risk of permanent brain damage, whats your problem? May 14 17:56:55 and say it in the short short version May 14 17:59:40 someone know if exist some site or other kind of resource about Intex XScale 80219 processor support ? May 14 17:59:52 s/Intex/Intel/ May 14 18:05:37 Currently at 303MB, anyone know what bitbake world needs in MB (built packages not sources) May 14 18:06:42 KenJlime: what do I have to change to make it delete sources when it's done? :-) May 14 18:07:17 Zero_Chaos: no idea if theres a bitbake parameter for that, but just rm your ~/sources/* May 14 18:07:52 KenJlime: that is icky though... I was hoping there was a way to remove sources after successful build and transfer to staging.... May 14 18:07:55 :-( May 14 18:08:49 Zero_Chaos: probobly a parameter for it, just cannot check atm May 14 18:09:02 KenJlime: no prob, just thought you might know May 14 18:09:57 don't delete sources May 14 18:10:17 work you can remove (there is a bbclass for this) but sources is not good to delete May 14 18:10:26 KenJlime: many gigabytes May 14 18:11:01 JustinP: thx May 14 18:11:12 removing sources is a bit anti-social bandwidth-wise May 14 18:11:12 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rdf5aad55... 10/packages/gstreamer/ (gst-plugins-base_0.10.7.bb gstreamer_0.10.6.bb): update gstreamer and base plugin set May 14 18:11:16 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re7de228d... 10/packages/binutils/ (9 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) May 14 18:11:16 binutils(-cross): add 2.17.50.0.1 snapshot May 14 18:11:16 from the changelog: May 14 18:11:16 1. Update from binutils 2006 0427. May 14 18:11:16 2. Fix an objcopy regression (PR 2593). May 14 18:11:17 JustinP: how do I delete work? May 14 18:11:19 3. Reduce ar memory usage (PR 2467). May 14 18:11:21 4. Allow application specific ELF sections (PR 2537). May 14 18:11:26 KenJlime: I only build certain images, not world, and it still takes 5-6GB May 14 18:11:29 koen: my fault, work is what I meant May 14 18:11:59 Zero_Chaos: inherit rm_work in your local.conf May 14 18:12:13 just add that line? May 14 18:12:19 JustinP: eek, means I have a long way to go then. Shouldnt take that long on a 3Ghz, but its alot of packages. May 14 18:12:31 JustinP: as it only removes the work on successful builds, right? May 14 18:12:51 Zero_Chaos: AFAIK....never used it myself May 14 18:13:03 JustinP: well in that case, one way to find out. May 14 18:13:05 KenJlime: building world isn't something you should normally be doing.... May 14 18:14:00 JustinP: just doing it to get a sense of what builds and what doesnt. but should perhaps change it and do one letter at a time May 14 18:14:17 KenJlime: ah May 14 18:15:25 ~lart opie May 14 18:15:25 * ibot nabs the moon and broadsides opie with the sea of tranquility May 14 18:17:35 ~lart bitbake world May 14 18:17:35 * ibot chops bitbake world in half with a free Solaris 7 CD May 14 18:17:56 LoL May 14 18:17:58 that was harsh May 14 18:18:03 ibot: botsnack May 14 18:18:03 thanks, Zero_Chaos May 14 18:18:21 :) May 14 18:21:56 KenJlime: what's the problem? May 14 18:22:01 KenJlime: perhaps you want -k? May 14 18:25:34 JustinP: im doing that atm May 14 18:25:41 just taking time :D thats my main concern May 14 18:27:43 pfff May 14 18:27:48 you can't lart it for that May 14 18:28:08 compiling takes time May 14 18:32:14 ¨lart apologizes May 14 18:32:30 ~lart apologizes May 14 18:32:30 * ibot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags apologizes into court suing for $200 million May 14 18:37:16 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf1466765... 10/packages/gcc/ (5 files in 2 dirs): add latest gcc 4.2 snapshot for gcc-cross May 14 18:40:06 koen: what is the default preference May 14 18:41:42 -1 May 14 18:59:02 CoreDump|home: zaurusd has poodle support nowadays? May 14 19:00:22 not really, I've pushed an empty config to makeit shut up on boot about an "unknon machine" ;) May 14 19:54:22 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0fbf4155... 10/packages/gcc/gcc_4.2-20060513.bb: gcc: add gcc_4.2-20060513.bb, which is needed for gcc-cross, but doesn't build (yet) May 14 20:20:23 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r74d23aeb... 10/packages/c-ares/ (c-ares_1.1.0.bb c-ares_1.3.0.bb): c-ares: upgrade to 1.3.0, add do_stage May 14 20:20:27 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r93569af5... 10/packages/libevent/libevent_1.1a.bb: May 14 20:20:27 add libevent 1.1.a May 14 20:20:27 The libevent API provides a mechanism to execute a callback function when a specific event occurs on a file descriptor or May 14 20:20:27 after a timeout has been reached. Furthermore, libevent also support callbacks due to signals or regular timeouts. May 14 20:20:31 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r513336c6... 10/packages/libarena/libarena_0.2.bb: add libarena, a custom memory allocator interface and implementation. May 14 20:20:35 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r34a9205f... 10/packages/libarena/libarena_0.2.bb: libarena: fix staging May 14 20:20:40 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r60f0b559... 10/packages/python/ (python-gammu_0.12.bb python-gammu_0.13.bb): python-gammu: upgrade to 0.13 May 14 20:20:44 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r551b99b2... 10/packages/libevnet/ (files/stdargs.patch libevnet_0.3.1.bb): add libevnet, libevnet provides a suite of interfaces, all built around libevent, useful to network daemons. May 14 20:30:21 hmm May 14 20:30:25 NOTE: Error on parsing: /home/zecke/org.openembedded.dev/packages/gpe-sketchbook/gpe-sketchbook_0.2.8.bb:[Errno 2] No such file or directory May 14 20:30:29 hmm May 14 20:30:47 return of the cache? May 14 20:30:51 no bittest May 14 20:30:55 after lyx failed :} May 14 20:31:16 mickey|dinner: lyx 1.4.1 is not fetchable May 14 20:31:42 I have no idea how this can happend :} May 14 20:31:55 koen: I have fixed the grammar of the usermanual ;) May 14 20:31:59 (xml grammar) May 14 20:32:05 *cough* May 14 20:32:17 I know I should have installed docbook on my powerbook May 14 20:32:45 any recomendations for a docbook editor? May 14 20:32:59 koen: it is not you moron! May 14 20:33:02 koen: vim? May 14 20:33:31 I already use vim :) May 14 20:33:43 or textedit for utf8 stuff May 14 20:36:53 hmm how can this happen with lyx :} May 14 20:37:13 koen: half of this GPE crap is not fetchable May 14 20:37:23 koen: and other would claim the rest is not usable :) May 14 20:37:32 lol May 14 20:37:48 just kidding May 14 20:37:56 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.cms.xaraya.devel/12637 may be of interest May 14 20:38:10 (how xaraya is organizing the ->0.26 migration) May 14 20:41:23 njs: thanks May 14 20:41:31 njs: I'm pretty confident rosterify will work May 14 20:45:00 koen: I'm recording now "setting up OE to build OpenZaurus" May 14 20:48:28 aha May 14 20:48:44 I have found out whu thunerbird 1.5 feels different from 1.0 May 14 20:49:02 1.5 has the dutch translation activated May 14 20:49:16 =D May 14 20:50:49 hrw|gone: e-image and e-image-core built fine for me from scratch (fixed a DEPENDS issue in task-e-x11) May 14 20:51:14 lol May 14 20:51:33 mickey|dinner: your lyx really broke bitttest, I have no clue how it did May 14 20:57:11 koen: I will patch gcc before doing the screen cast May 14 21:01:04 all: why does glib depend on glib-native? May 14 21:11:06 pb__: ping May 14 21:13:10 OE needs an Eclipse plug-in. May 14 21:13:13 :-) May 14 21:13:39 * Stephmw grins May 14 21:13:41 we had no SoC entry for that May 14 21:13:48 likewise, sounds fab May 14 21:13:53 likewise, when are you getting started? May 14 21:14:09 after I finish the other projects :-) May 14 21:16:13 zecke: but have you guys brainstormed over any GUI ideas on top of OE? May 14 21:17:47 likewise: little ;) May 14 21:17:59 likewise: we had a OE Commander (pyqt based) May 14 21:18:26 basicly we would like to begin with browsing the data May 14 21:18:40 yes, browsing in different perspectives. May 14 21:18:50 for example: examine dependency tree May 14 21:18:52 right "Task orientated" May 14 21:18:57 yep May 14 21:18:58 and Tag orientated May 14 21:19:02 and per BB file May 14 21:19:19 Eclipse already has its interface like that (one "perspective" for each task) May 14 21:24:15 * chouimat is back. May 14 21:37:09 pb__: ping, ping, ping ;) May 14 21:37:23 pb__: should we use -isystem to point to our staging_incdir? May 14 21:45:30 zecke: if I quit bitbake ..world. it shouldnt recompile not changed binaries right? May 14 21:45:36 zecke: ah cool, any ETA on the patching? May 14 21:46:26 just making sure so I dont need to restart this thing in the morning May 14 21:47:25 koen: which patching May 14 21:47:33 KenJlime: it should stick to the stamps May 14 21:48:01 zecke: goodie May 14 21:48:23 koen: I'm currently patching gcc May 14 21:48:27 23:09 < zecke> koen: I will patch gcc before doing the screen cast May 14 21:48:30 yes, that one May 14 21:48:37 koen: and we should try -isystem May 14 21:48:44 koen: this avoids the can of wamrs we have May 14 21:49:01 koen: my C string manipulation skills are not too good :} May 14 21:49:19 -isystem ? May 14 21:49:50 koen: currently we add -I${STAGING_INCDIR} in CFLAGS May 14 21:50:09 koen: with Opie and X we had the issue that instead of including the 'new' files May 14 21:50:19 koen: it included the files from the staging area May 14 21:55:36 'new' files? May 14 21:56:10 you mean libfoo 3.2 ppicked up headers from libfoo 3.1? May 14 21:57:28 yes May 14 21:57:46 XComposite.h is not included from the package in work but from staging May 14 21:57:52 -isystem should avoid this May 14 21:59:05 a package managed staging would help as well ;) May 14 21:59:25 it could May 14 21:59:32 but yeah, having stuff like -isystem would be neat May 14 21:59:40 we should try it :} May 14 22:01:41 I'd like to get TheMasterMind1's vmware stuff working May 14 22:07:49 automatically generating vmware player images? May 14 22:08:20 yes May 14 22:08:27 it should be in bugzilla May 14 22:08:32 yeah that would be nice May 14 22:09:45 ah May 14 22:18:14 nite May 14 22:40:45 koen: argh {} doesn't work in my xephyr May 14 22:49:01 How does bitbake choose a package version if PREFERRED_VERSION is not set? Highest number (C locale)? May 14 22:51:15 likewise: more than c locale... May 14 22:51:19 like debian :} May 14 22:51:43 zecke: but the selection algo is built-in bb? May 14 22:52:08 likewise: yes May 14 22:52:13 zecke: thanks. May 14 22:52:37 For normal purpose, I may assume it picks the "highest" version. May 14 22:52:48 unless a dependency tells otherwise. May 14 22:54:29 likewise: this would be ignored for now :} May 14 22:55:01 zecke: version dependencies are ignored? So highest version is selected? May 14 22:55:38 yes May 14 22:55:47 unless PREFERRED_VERSION is specified globally May 14 22:56:01 likewise: but with some luck koen can change this in the GSoC May 14 22:56:39 zecke: Well, me asking is not a reason to change things :-) May 14 22:56:57 zecke: I just want to learn how things work under the hood here. May 14 22:57:40 xstroke cannot be compiled in oz354x because the tarball downloaded is actually a html file May 14 22:58:03 likewise: bitbake/lib/bb/utils.py May 14 22:58:19 likewise: vercmp will compare two version strings and BitBake will use the higher version May 14 22:58:22 koen: oh :} May 14 22:58:29 katossi: oh :} May 14 22:58:43 katossi: file a bug, xstroke.org is offline and now likely to be parked ... May 14 22:58:56 ok May 14 22:59:28 katossi: instead of a 404 they give you an advertising site :} May 14 22:59:39 damn May 14 23:00:15 but, if it is a temporary problem maybe reporting the bug is worthless May 14 23:00:35 I will do it anyway May 14 23:01:27 good nite all, thanks for the help all May 14 23:01:52 * likewise is hitting the sack May 14 23:02:10 katossi: no, Carl Worth is likely to have no interest in xstroke anymore May 14 23:03:03 then maybe we should get rid of it, or get a copy from somewhere else May 14 23:03:56 right ;) May 14 23:03:58 if I want to finish my gpe-image and this xstroke problem is on the way, what can I do? May 14 23:04:11 is there any way to skip it? May 14 23:04:14 katossi: use a xstroke snapshot from ewi or familiar May 14 23:04:20 (psst use Opie) ;) May 14 23:04:36 katossi: http://familiar.handhelds.org/source/v0.8.4-rc2/sources/ May 14 23:04:46 katossi: use BitBake from the stable trunk May 14 23:04:49 opie is cool I know, but this images are used basically to run apps in java, and they need gtk May 14 23:05:06 katossi: and add this to the CVS_TARBALL_STASH line in local.conf May 14 23:12:30 time to go to bed May 14 23:12:51 zecke: thx for all the tips today, see ya May 14 23:14:27 you are welcome May 14 23:42:08 03yuecelm 07org.oe.dev * r1ce50abb... 10/packages/subversion/subversion_1.3.1.bb: May 14 23:42:08 subversion-1.3.1: activate patch to support apr-util 0.9.12 May 14 23:42:08 - patch was committed but not used May 14 23:46:24 fr/quit May 15 01:01:06 03yuecelm 07org.oe.dev * r4689c198... 10/packages/subversion/subversion_1.3.1.bb: disapproval of revision '1ce50abbc6546dd4109915d92a23688c65914406' May 15 06:49:24 ~mornings May 15 06:49:26 Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) May 15 06:49:32 ~mondays May 15 06:49:33 Sounds like _somebody_'s got a case of the Muhhndays! May 15 07:02:55 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=942 May 15 07:03:00 koen, is that even valid? May 15 07:03:50 or any awake oz person May 15 07:06:15 http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=933 a game is a blocking bug for oz 3.5.4.x ... May 15 07:08:54 bonjour May 15 07:16:45 morning May 15 07:18:36 hi May 15 07:19:03 ~monday May 15 07:19:06 monday is probably when everything breaks for no apparent reason, creating so many problems that it takes you until friday to get back to normal. at which point one more thing breaks that takes you the whole weekend to fix May 15 07:20:43 "The internet was only designed for transmission of '0's and '1's, but HD video uses a lot of '2's." May 15 07:21:33 wow, just wow May 15 07:22:02 morning ! It looks everyone is so happy on Monday mornings.... May 15 07:25:45 i cant mount my mtdblock3 home partition not on my poodle nor on my tosa, may i reformat it? May 15 07:26:52 morning all May 15 07:28:25 hey dirk May 15 07:28:37 hi koen May 15 07:30:19 *cry* May 15 07:30:45 hey blogmeister zecke May 15 07:31:11 ;) May 15 07:31:17 hey zecke May 15 07:31:26 my disk died :( May 15 07:31:51 lame May 15 07:31:51 koen: and the screencast is lost :( May 15 07:32:01 ouch May 15 07:32:08 is it really dead? or just kinda dead? May 15 07:32:48 johnX: by the sound it made yesterday May 15 07:32:57 johnX: and the errors in smartctl yesterday... May 15 07:33:19 I had hoped to finish recording of the screencast May 15 07:33:26 ouch May 15 07:33:27 but now the things hangs... May 15 07:35:53 hmm, 'm going to the office now :} May 15 07:39:39 hmm... May 15 07:39:47 it is alive (the system) May 15 07:40:36 morning May 15 07:45:29 ~lart njs for monotone 0.26 in debian May 15 07:45:29 * ibot makes a balloon animal out of njs for monotone 0.26 in debian May 15 07:53:22 CoreDump|home: oz 3.5.4.1 will be with pcmcia-cs May 15 07:53:55 yeah, I noticed -cs showing up in my images. why is that? May 15 07:54:18 CoreDump|home: dont want to fight with kernel guys again and again May 15 07:54:45 huh? I though -cs was deprecated and support for it will be eventually removed May 15 07:54:47 and there is no way to tell kernel "for card UMBA use hostap not orinoco" when both support this card May 15 07:55:15 removing UMBA from orinoco is NoFsckingWayMan May 15 07:55:30 heh May 15 07:55:40 sooner or later we'll have to find a way May 15 07:55:56 maybe to that day solution will exist May 15 07:56:38 now it is 'blacklist module' which is wrong for distro as it need user with KNOWLEDGE (which is not often in OZ userbase) May 15 07:56:52 hi TMM1 May 15 08:18:22 do13_: what may a kernel 2.6 bootstrap-image have done to my tosa? May 15 08:19:31 sws: what's your problem? May 15 08:20:57 the home partition at mtdblock3 cant be mounted May 15 08:21:16 sws: with 2.4 kernel? May 15 08:21:32 do13_:yes May 15 08:22:04 do13_: and i did forget to do a nand backup May 15 08:23:43 sws: 2.6 jffs2 isn't compatible with 2.4. So after a write cycle 2.4 kernel can't mount the partition. May 15 08:23:59 which kinda sucks May 15 08:24:21 sws: I guess the 2.4 syslog shows an oops May 15 08:25:02 2.6 jffs2 *is* compatible with 2.4 jffs2, just not with lineo jffs2.... May 15 08:25:28 koen: jffs2 is compatible - nand driver is not May 15 08:25:28 do13_: so its a filesystem issue, just a wild guess: cant i reformat or should i first learn more about what jffs2 is :) ? May 15 08:26:06 you should be able to reformat May 15 08:26:18 sws: or nand restore: http://www.externe.net/zaurus/flash/ May 15 08:26:38 sws: another option: use 2.6 May 15 08:30:15 do13_: i'd like to use 2.6 but i need full usb support and maybe Xserver May 15 08:30:19 grrr May 15 08:30:24 ~lart opie May 15 08:30:24 * ibot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down opie's throat until opie puts on 150lbs May 15 08:31:05 sws: Xserver is no problem. usb host? May 15 08:31:29 do13_:thanks for the link, now i have a nand backup, hopefully i will get my home partition back soon May 15 08:31:56 do13_: yes, have to connect usb dongle to the tosa May 15 08:32:35 sws: modprobe ohci-hcd and usb should work. May 15 08:33:31 sws: But you need to remove the module on suspend, this needs a apm script May 15 08:35:08 do13_: i will try, i gave up on 2.6 a while ago, so i need to bitbake bootstrap-image, this will take an hour or two May 15 08:36:23 sws: this is faster: http://www.do13.de/oz/temp/image/ May 15 08:36:52 will a nand backup someone did on a poodle with whatever os bring me my home partition back on my poodle? ( there i have same prob ) May 15 08:37:46 sws: should iirc May 15 08:38:40 do13_: thanks, but i need to build some stuff on my own to see if usb dongle works, some kernel drivers .. May 15 08:39:36 sws: ok, which usb dongle? May 15 08:40:14 do13_: its a can connector May 15 08:40:29 sws: cool May 15 08:41:43 koen: if reformating is possible, how may i access the mtdblock? May 15 08:41:47 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r66b2c04d... 10/conf/licenses.conf: licenses.conf: added xrdb May 15 08:41:51 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * reb33030d... 10/conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell-2.6.conf: zaurus-clamshell: ship modules for USB mouse support May 15 08:41:55 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r5d8394d6... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.16.bb: linux-openzaurus: drop all WiFi cards IDs patches May 15 08:41:59 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r58906c88... 10/packages/linux/linux-openzaurus_2.6.16.bb: linux-openzaurus: add fix for OOPS on SD/MMC card eject (patch by RMK) May 15 08:45:18 god damn opies retarded key handling. Why can't QTE just use the fricking kernel keymap like any other GUI May 15 08:45:56 do13_: should i use .oz354x or .dev with kernel 2.6? May 15 08:46:38 sws: .oz354x is better May 15 08:47:06 sws: it generates working images:) May 15 08:47:18 CoreDump|home: it use it with qt/e r33 iirc May 15 08:47:56 I've enabled the kernel-keymap patch for Poodle. And while normal keys work fine, the modifiers are all FUBAR May 15 08:48:09 CoreDump|home: contact zecke then May 15 08:48:14 I did heh May 15 08:48:27 he told me to enable that patch in the first place =) May 15 08:48:29 CoreDump|home: QWS_KEYBOARD=USB could also be checked May 15 08:48:56 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rdc72cd84... 10/conf/machine/zaurus-clamshell.conf: May 15 08:48:56 zaurus-clamshell: revert to pcmcia-cs instead of pcmciautils May 15 08:48:56 - I do not have a time to fight with adding card IDs to proper drivers. May 15 08:48:56 - There is no way to select preferred driver when more then one driver May 15 08:48:56 support card - look at WiFi Prism2 cards supported by HostAP and Orinoco. May 15 08:48:57 I prefer hostap (WPA, firmware upgrade) but cannot remove IDs from orinoco. May 15 08:49:01 If I blacklist orinoco globally then !Prism users will complain... May 15 08:50:59 hrw|work: LOL at the pdaX 'brightness applet doesn't work' thread :) May 15 08:51:16 15 10:45 < hrw|work> sash: how goes pdax betatesting? May 15 08:51:16 15 10:56 < sashz_horror> fine - need rewrite some settings utils May 15 08:51:37 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rfce9e6b5... 10/packages/meta/meta-opie.bb: May 15 08:51:37 meta-opie: ship pcmcia applet, do not ship VT and logout applets May 15 08:51:37 - OZ 3.5.4.1 will use pcmcia-cs so pcmcia applet will work again May 15 08:51:37 - many users shoot in foot with VT and Logout applets so I removed them May 15 08:51:37 from base install. May 15 08:52:30 ~users May 15 08:52:36 so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. May 15 08:55:41 if i build a bootstrap-image it fails with unsatisfied dependencies for hostap-conf, where should i select the preferred provider? May 15 08:59:54 re May 15 09:00:06 koen: disk is broken and wink is a memory hog :} May 15 09:00:16 but I have a workaround... May 15 09:01:28 cool May 15 09:05:45 <_law_> is anybody at the linuxtage in graz? http://linuxwochen.at/2006/Graz May 15 09:06:52 sadly not May 15 09:07:35 sws: Hmm. try bitbake hostap-conf May 15 09:08:21 sws: bitbake -b packages/hostap/hostap-conf May 15 09:08:23 i already do, that fixes the dependencies, i just would like to overcome this step May 15 09:09:44 * zecke just asked erik to remove sash as mentor from the SoC May 15 09:10:53 hi May 15 09:10:56 I don't get him, he would have been able to mentor... May 15 09:11:25 he's looking for an excuse to blame OZ I guess May 15 09:11:43 * hrw|work votes for removing him too May 15 09:11:45 Google introduced a 'Summary' to see who gave how many points May 15 09:11:57 Ifaistos: any news about the oe on x86 (glibc problem)? May 15 09:12:10 all proposals have some kind of +2 +1 +4 -1 thing from ~4 people May 15 09:12:13 zecke: and this is good thing May 15 09:12:19 sash proposal has alone + May 15 09:12:21 zecke: and 16 from sash or -8 May 15 09:12:23 +16 from sash :} May 15 09:12:32 +16 and -8 on another... May 15 09:13:08 hrw|work: and the latest +8 are just like "Beavis and Butt-head" May 15 09:13:20 "Hrhr +4 good, bienno, hrhr" May 15 09:13:37 anyway back to work May 15 09:23:42 finally i found a nand backup for my poodle, located at oesf.org/howto/downloads. does the nand backup depend on the used processor? may a nand for a pxa250 brick my pxa255 poodle? May 15 09:42:57 hail zecke May 15 09:43:04 pb__: ho May 15 09:43:10 pb__: every played with -isystem May 15 09:43:23 don't think so May 15 09:51:41 pb__: do know of possible issues with -isystem? May 15 09:51:48 OT: was ipkg 0.99.159 broken? May 15 09:52:44 zecke: virtually every ipkg after .154 had a serious bug May 15 09:53:02 .162 should have those fixed, but afaik nobody tried it yet May 15 09:53:04 mine doesn't install packages May 15 09:53:18 hrw|meeting: which ipkg is sued for OZ354x? May 15 09:53:32 morning May 15 09:56:16 zecke: I don't know of any issues. Might be worth trying it out. May 15 09:57:06 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r844655bd... 10/packages/lyx/ (lyx_1.4.0.bb lyx_1.4.1.bb): lyx: remove 1.4.0, fix SRC_URI for 1.4.1 due to upstream moves in the repository **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon May 15 09:59:56 2006