**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 23 10:00:00 2006
May 23 10:00:44 <woglinde> zecke currybude at 13:25
May 23 10:01:08 <zecke> woglinde: I'm starving... had a bad night (slept on my belly... until)
May 23 10:01:21 <woglinde> eat a sandwhich at the cafeteria
May 23 10:01:40 <zecke> woglinde: I don't want to unplug my laptop for that
May 23 10:01:51 <woglinde> eat your cable
May 23 10:02:24 <zecke> woglinde: which one?
May 23 10:03:08 <woglinde> both
May 23 10:10:33 <chris144> good morning folks
May 23 10:12:20 <hrw|work> hi chris144 
May 23 10:12:30 <chris144> hi hrw|work
May 23 10:23:53 <lardman|work> morning
May 23 10:30:31 <ixoth> anyone willing to add some simple tuning config files like tune-c3.conf?
May 23 10:30:45 <ixoth> such as tune-i586.conf, etc
May 23 10:31:08 <mithro> can people test http://www.tp.net.au/tp/ for me?
May 23 10:31:50 <koen> mithro: works
May 23 10:32:02 <mithro> yay!
May 23 10:33:10 <mithro> can you mail "mithro AT tp.net.au" ?
May 23 10:35:52 <hrw|work> which part of U.S. is GMT-4?
May 23 10:36:08 <pb__> right now?  the east coast
May 23 10:36:57 <hrw|work> thx
May 23 10:37:20 <mithro> hrw|work: why?
May 23 10:37:45 <hrw|work> wanted to add gmt-4 clock to panel
May 23 10:43:54 <chris144> looks like www.oesources.org is down...
May 23 10:46:07 <frg> strange things...
May 23 10:46:17 <frg> it went the same path as before
May 23 10:46:32 <zecke> frg: log?
May 23 10:46:36 <frg> bitbake ncurses >>> builds quilt-native, gnu-config-native, automake-native, autoconf-native, libtool-native, ncurses-native ... then ncurses-5.4-r8 when it crashes
May 23 10:46:41 <frg> http://oe.pastebin.com/732747
May 23 10:47:00 <zecke> idealm: try bugs.openembedded.org (but I have heard it is down)
May 23 10:47:13 <frg> yeah its donw
May 23 10:47:13 <koen> mithro: mail sent
May 23 10:47:31 <zecke> frg: while I wait for pastebin... could you do which bitbake
May 23 10:48:00 <zecke> frg: and python -vvv `which bitbake` -p
May 23 10:48:06 <mithro> thanks
May 23 10:48:12 <zecke> frg: and paste the first couple of pages
May 23 10:48:39 <zecke> frg: I suspect it picked up your older bitbake
May 23 10:49:18 <frg> i took the 1.4.2 as suggested
May 23 10:49:26 <zecke> I will get some food now, but will be around later again
May 23 10:49:45 <zecke> frg: sure, but you still can load modules from the old ones...
May 23 10:49:52 <zecke> frg: or invoke the old one...
May 23 10:50:18 <frg> i've unmerged the old one
May 23 10:50:26 <zecke> oh okay
May 23 10:50:33 <zecke> you don't have the new one though ;)
May 23 10:50:48 <zecke> using python -vvv you wills ee which .py file it is loading
May 23 10:53:35 <idealm> zecke, I checked just now, and wasn't able to access it.
May 23 10:54:49 <frg> hmmm.. i tried a bitbake -D -D -D ncurses to give more detailed info but it started downloading new packages (file and gettext) which it didnt do before
May 23 10:55:15 <frg> but still no binutils... maybe later it will
May 23 10:56:08 <_guillermo> what would be the actual benefits of kdrive for oe?
May 23 10:56:58 <koen> _guillermo: OE is a buildsystem, it only needs a terminal to output too 
May 23 10:57:37 <_guillermo> sorry, I meant for the oe based distros, not oe itself
May 23 11:05:58 <frg> thanks and bye for now ... i'll go out and be back later
May 23 11:14:50 <fdv> Hi. the fakeroot package refers to ver. 1.2.13, while the latest available seems to be 1.2.10. is there something I'm missing?
May 23 11:18:05 * koen searches for some food
May 23 11:19:58 <fdv> (and bugs.openembedded.org doesn't seem to respond well to http)
May 23 11:25:34 <chouimat> morning
May 23 11:26:29 <koen> hey chouimat 
May 23 11:27:22 <_guillermo> anyone knows why the toughscreen is not working in akita (gpe and .dev)?
May 23 12:27:02 <hrw|work> time to build new builddir...
May 23 12:34:02 <likewise> koen: ping, does ep93xx/angstrom work correctly at your board, if so, how did you mount the rootfs (ramdisk, nfs, jffs2, ...)?
May 23 12:36:39 <fdv> if packages refer to nonexisting versions, is this something that should be filed to bugzilla?
May 23 12:37:01 <zecke> fdv: versions? show me an example
May 23 12:37:15 <fdv> zecke: fakeroot
May 23 12:37:25 <zecke> fdv: you mean source tarball?
May 23 12:37:32 <fdv> yes
May 23 12:37:47 <fdv> it refers to 1.2.13, but the latest one available on debian mirrors is 1.2.10
May 23 12:37:48 <zecke> dunno, you might do it
May 23 12:38:08 <fdv> hm, ok
May 23 12:38:32 <zecke> ideally we run the source checker regulary, but we don't ATM
May 23 12:38:32 <fdv> bugs.openembedded.org is fairly nonresponsive at the moment, though
May 23 12:38:38 <fdv> ok
May 23 12:49:55 <koen> likewise: didn't try it on the ep93xx yet
May 23 12:50:13 <chouimat> hi koen 
May 23 12:50:22 <koen> hey chouimat 
May 23 12:50:44 * chouimat is playing with clucene ...
May 23 12:52:34 <florian_kc> hi
May 23 12:52:42 <florian_kc> what happened to http://bugs.openembedded.org/
May 23 12:53:10 <zecke> florian_kc: decided to work for pdaXrom?
May 23 12:53:43 <florian_kc> zecke: ehhhh defintely not, why?
May 23 12:53:44 <likewise> koen: do you know who did run it on a board succesfully? lennert maybe?
May 23 12:54:11 <koen> likewise: g2 or mtaht<number> would be your best bet
May 23 12:54:55 <likewise> koen: thanks
May 23 12:55:17 <CIA-9> 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * raa208c78... 10/packages/fakeroot/fakeroot_1.2.13.bb: fakeroot: fix SRC_URI
May 23 12:55:42 <ixoth> goodbye everyone
May 23 12:55:46 <likewise> cya
May 23 12:55:54 <zecke> mickey|office: feel like adding a gnupg mirror?
May 23 12:57:07 <mickey|office> ya why not
May 23 12:57:42 <mickey|office> is that file missing as well?
May 23 12:58:01 <florian_kc> zecke: because i asked about mallum yesterday?
May 23 12:58:39 <koen> zecke: could you modify the source checker to remove the downloaded stuff before testing another package?  
May 23 12:59:25 <zecke> florian_kc: no , I think the bugtracker is down, but only treke knows
May 23 12:59:31 <zecke> koen: rm *.md5?
May 23 12:59:49 <chouimat> oops ... just rolled the chair on the cat again
May 23 13:00:21 <koen> zecke: rm DL_DIR/*
May 23 13:00:32 <Mardy_> is there any tool in OE for measuring X performance?
May 23 13:00:39 <koen> zecke: so we can run the checker without needing gigs of diskspace
May 23 13:00:40 <Mardy_> something like x11perf
May 23 13:00:51 <koen> Mardy_: the evas benchmarks?
May 23 13:01:03 <zecke> koen: hmm
May 23 13:01:12 <florian_kc> zecke: like hh.org ftp
May 23 13:02:25 <zecke> florian_kc: hh.org ftp just worked here
May 23 13:02:58 <koen|uni> bbl
May 23 13:04:31 <zecke> *idling*
May 23 13:04:58 <Mardy> btw, I think in few weeks we'll have an accelerated X server for the w100
May 23 13:07:32 <mickey|office> cool
May 23 13:07:53 <mickey|office> speaking about accelleration... anyone knows the status of pxa27x overlay fb driver in 2.6?
May 23 13:08:12 <hrw|work> hi Cliff
May 23 13:08:32 <hrw|work> 23 10:49 < sashz_horror> okay thankz. I rewrite kdrive for 7x0/860 now for acceleration on kernel 2.6
May 23 13:09:22 <hrw|work> Mardy: sashz is pain-in-ass to cooperate with too often but maybe you can cooperate? (he use xfree4.4 not xorg)
May 23 13:09:31 <mickey|office> hmm
May 23 13:09:36 <zecke> lol
May 23 13:09:38 <mickey|office> knowing his code i doubt that
May 23 13:09:43 <mickey|office> but better than nothing
May 23 13:09:46 <mickey|office> *shrug*
May 23 13:10:07 <Mardy> hrw|work: uh, I didn't know about him
May 23 13:10:51 <hrw|work> sf.net upgrades mailman
May 23 13:11:07 <hrw|work> Mardy: hi is the only one devel of pdaX'rom'
May 23 13:11:54 <Mardy> mmm... someone told me not too good things about pdaXrom's w100 accelerated driver :-)
May 23 13:12:12 <Mardy> but anyway, can you please give me his email address?
May 23 13:12:12 <hrw|work> Mardy: xora probably ;)
May 23 13:12:28 <Mardy> or some way to contact him?
May 23 13:12:47 <hrw|work> Mardy: sash* on #cacko or "Alexander Chukov <sash@pdaxrom.org>"
May 23 13:13:02 <Mardy> hrw|work: thanks!
May 23 13:13:12 <hrw|work> np I have c760 ;D
May 23 13:13:18 <Mardy> hehehe
May 23 13:13:39 <Mardy> btw, I just accelerated solid fills so far :-)
May 23 13:19:05 <CIA-9> 03mickeyl 07org.oe.oz354x * r13ea7495... 10/packages/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
May 23 13:19:05 <CIA-9> add pyfits and pyrad and modern versions of python-everything, python-sharprom
May 23 13:19:05 <CIA-9> taken from .dev
May 23 13:21:38 <cbrake> hrw|work: hello
May 23 13:25:04 <hrw|work> cbrake: which distro/machine combo you usually use?
May 23 13:25:26 <cbrake> hrw|work: debianslug/nslu2
May 23 13:25:39 <goxboxlive> What is wrong here? I am trying again to build a opie-image but it failes when trying to compile opie-bluepin. Then i am trying to build only opie-bluepin, but this happens: http://pastebin.com/732942
May 23 13:27:14 <zecke> compiled without rtti
May 23 13:27:33 <zecke> dunno how that should be handled, try to ask mickeyl, he has the most clue of this ;)
May 23 13:29:12 <goxboxlive> Zecke: Ok, thx. I guess i answer when i he see my question. Do you remember i had problems yesterday with the obex-ftp. For once it was not my incompability, there where something wrong with the file :-)
May 23 13:30:03 <hrw|work> mickey|office: task-python-everything does not depend on new added python stuff?
May 23 13:30:11 <zecke> goxboxlive: I'm in class atm...
May 23 13:30:17 <zecke> goxboxlive: will be home at 22h
May 23 13:30:37 <mickey|office> hrw|work: which stuff?
May 23 13:30:45 <hrw|work> pyfits/pyrad
May 23 13:30:51 <mickey|office> it should
May 23 13:30:59 <zecke> goxboxlive: anyway, why don't you pin a SRCDATE?
May 23 13:31:13 <mickey|office> hrw|work: i see it in there
May 23 13:32:10 <hrw|work> mickey|office: here it does not work - atleast it looks like that after 'bitbake task-python-everything'
May 23 13:32:41 <hrw|work> mickey|office: anyway - started build of pyrad/pyfits
May 23 13:33:35 * chouimat is away: work
May 23 13:34:18 <mickey|office> goxboxlive: can't see how this should happen except when you mix old and new versions. this is a fresh rebuild?
May 23 13:36:30 <cbrake_> question about library names: I'm getting the following error message when trying to install using ipkg: ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for clearsilver-doc:
May 23 13:36:30 <cbrake_>          libncurses5
May 23 13:37:19 <mickey|office> cbrake: oops. found an uncommited patch in here :)
May 23 13:37:32 <mickey|office> +RPROVIDES = "libncurses5"
May 23 13:39:29 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r6e8dffd5... 10/packages/tcltk/tk_8.4.11.bb: tk: fix DEPENDS (.oz354x is older then .dev and has old ames for X11 stuff)
May 23 13:43:15 <cbrake_> mickey|office: so where does ipkg get the libncurses5 dependency?  I can't find anything in the ipkg metatdata -- does it dynamically determine lib dependencies during install?
May 23 13:43:41 <hrw|work> cbrake: ncurses should provide libncurses5 package
May 23 13:43:47 <mickey|office> the dependencies are coded in the packages file and in the individual packages
May 23 13:44:02 <mickey|office> i have fixed this since long in my tree
May 23 13:44:09 <mickey|office> i need to do mt diff more often :D
May 23 13:46:04 <cbrake_> I'm puzzled -- there are no Depends for clearsilver-doc in my Packages file ...
May 23 13:46:18 <hrw|work> -doc does not get depends iirc
May 23 13:49:21 <cbrake_> hrw|work: how does ipkg get the information then to complain about libncurses5 dependency?
May 23 13:51:02 <hrw|work> moment...
May 23 13:51:19 <koen> hrw|work: I'm thinking about switching from the fdo kdrive to the xorg kdrive in .dev
May 23 13:52:06 <CIA-9> 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rad100a5e... 10/packages/ncurses/ncurses.inc: ncurses.inc: RPROVIDES = libncurses5
May 23 13:52:09 <goxboxlive> mickey: yes i deleted everything last weekend, and started all over again. I have also done a poll and updfate today
May 23 13:53:12 <hrw|work> koen: I do not use .dev to build images currently
May 23 13:53:27 * hrw|work build mc native
May 23 13:54:07 <mickey|office> goxboxlive: this is very hard to debug remotely. i can only say that it works here, i built gpe-image and opie-image yesterday
May 23 13:54:18 <mickey|office> goxboxlive: which gcc/glibc are you usgin?
May 23 13:54:20 * mickey|office wents home
May 23 13:54:26 <mickey|office> goes, even
May 23 13:58:57 * cbrake_ finds ipkg -V option :-)
May 23 13:59:18 <hrw|work> cbrake_: -V3
May 23 14:03:16 <Zero_Chaos> Is OZ stable on the C3200?
May 23 14:11:42 <cbrake_> hrw|work: traced the dependecies back through to python-curses
May 23 14:12:07 <cbrake_> hrw|work: I'll get mickey's fix, but wanted to understand why
May 23 14:17:13 <Bernardo> hi
May 23 14:17:30 <Bernardo> hi
May 23 14:17:38 <hrw|work> python-2.4.3-manifest.inc:RDEPENDS_python-curses="python-core libncurses5"
May 23 14:17:54 <hrw|work> cbrake_: this line is wrong
May 23 14:17:56 <hrw|work> hi Bernardo 
May 23 14:18:09 <hrw|work> ~lart mickeyl for wrong RDEPENDS
May 23 14:18:09 * ibot shoots mickeyl in the head for wrong RDEPENDS
May 23 14:35:42 <cbrake> hrw|work: so what is the difference between PROVIDES and RPROVIDES?
May 23 14:35:54 <koen> build time and runtime
May 23 14:36:08 <koen> I don't get why mickey; puts that 'fix' in
May 23 14:36:09 <hrw|work> cbrake: PROVIDE is build-time, RPROVIDE is runtime
May 23 14:36:16 <koen> since a package always RPROVIDES itself
May 23 14:36:32 <hrw|work> koen: ncurses does not rprovide libncurses5
May 23 14:36:45 <hrw|work> koen: but is in python manifest rather
May 23 14:38:20 <koen> aha
May 23 14:38:24 <cbrake> so does RPROVIDES end up in the ipkg Provides field?
May 23 14:38:30 <koen> ncursus packaging is wrong
May 23 14:38:36 <koen> cbrake: yes
May 23 14:38:46 <koen> Package: ncurses Version: 5.4-r8
May 23 14:38:58 <koen> that should get renames to libncurses5 
May 23 14:39:03 <koen> renamed*
May 23 14:41:00 <hrw|work> koen: nope
May 23 14:41:10 <hrw|work> koen: this package contain more then just library
May 23 14:41:41 <fdv> there's a typo in org.openembedded.dev/packages/flex/flex.inc. the file part of the url should be "/flex/flex-2.5.31.tar.bz2", not "/lex/flex-2.5.31.tar.bz2", if anybody would want to fix :)
May 23 14:41:55 <fdv> no rush for me
May 23 14:43:21 <koen> hrw|work: why does it contain more? ncurses already has a few zillion subpackages
May 23 14:44:34 <hrw|work> really?
May 23 14:46:28 <koen> ncurses-{dev,doc,terminfo,tools}
May 23 14:46:47 <JustinP> ~/away bus
May 23 14:47:04 <hrw|work> look how much stuff is in ncurses itself... minimal terminfo set, few binaries
May 23 14:47:11 <koen> I see
May 23 14:47:42 <rob_w> sorry guys .. what was again that way to compile glibc --- something in local.conf called OE_EXTRA_CONF or such 
May 23 14:48:23 <JustinP> rob_w: eh? glibc should be compiled without any extra settings
May 23 14:48:53 <hrw|work> cbrake: can you install mc on dev.?
May 23 14:48:57 <rob_w> for i386 not
May 23 14:49:17 <rob_w> we had this today discussed but i closed my chat window before saving the strings
May 23 14:49:36 <hrw|work> ~logs
May 23 14:49:38 <ibot> apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly"
May 23 14:50:42 <CosmicPenguin> i386 compiles fine without any OE_EXTRA_CONF
May 23 14:53:04 <rob_w> hrw|work,  i will there tomorrow .. thanks
May 23 14:54:44 <cbrake> hrw|work: mc installed
May 23 15:00:35 <CosmicPenguin> anyone here clued into the new X development cycle? 
May 23 15:01:10 <CosmicPenguin> Whats the procedure for releasing a new driver - seeing as though it no longer is tied into the major monolithic release?
May 23 15:01:21 <koen> no idea
May 23 15:01:44 <koen> CosmicPenguin: http://handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/88/8863.html
May 23 15:02:19 <koen> CosmicPenguin: I suspect they release a 7.x every six months and release bugfix releases of parts when needed
May 23 15:02:47 <CosmicPenguin> Indeed - thats probably it
May 23 15:03:07 <CosmicPenguin> since all the individual drivers have both the X7.1 and individual versions in the tarball name
May 23 15:04:37 <CoreDump|home> hi
May 23 15:12:06 <hrw|work> thx cbrake 
May 23 15:13:07 <CosmicPenguin> we did all that work for 7.0, and now we need to do it for 7.1 again.. :)
May 23 15:13:41 <hrw|work> CosmicPenguin: this time it should be smaller: lot of monotone rename
May 23 15:13:54 <koen> CosmicPenguin: are you building xorg for alchemy boards as well?
May 23 15:14:22 <CosmicPenguin> koen: actually, I've never done that personally
May 23 15:14:30 <CosmicPenguin> I know that people have done it - its all fbdev based, so it should be basic
May 23 15:14:40 <CosmicPenguin> I have built QTE for the alchemy before though - heh
May 23 15:14:49 <koen> I ran into some "wants to run binaries" trouble when trying to merge to  xorg stuff in bugzilla
May 23 15:14:59 <koen> and some missing stuff in the site files
May 23 15:28:51 <goxboxlive> nickeyl: I am using gcc-3.4.4 but the glibc i have no idea.. ust that i the local.conf has prefferd_prvider ******** "glibc"
May 23 15:31:24 <goxboxlive> MIckeyl: Once more. Just that it's written in local.conf prefferd_provider_virtual/arm-linux-libc-for-gcc="glibc"
May 23 15:35:35 <goxboxlive> Mickeyl: Forget it, i'll start a new fresh org.open***.dev 
May 23 15:39:47 <hrw|work> NOTE: package gnutls-1.4.0-r0: task do_build: completed
May 23 15:42:45 <mickey|office> goxboxlive: one more... don't use familiar as distro
May 23 15:42:51 <mickey|office> openzaurus-unstable is atm. better maintained in .dev
May 23 15:44:59 <koen> mickey|office: unmaintained everywhere in monotone
May 23 15:45:05 <koen> mickey|office: move it to nonworking ;)
May 23 15:45:25 <mickey|office> that would be a bit too offensive atm.
May 23 15:46:09 <koen> offensive would be adding a check for familiar in bitbake and/or sanity.conf
May 23 15:47:47 <Genesis> bye
May 23 15:47:51 <florian_kc> hmm right, anyone an idea why they don't check in latest changes?
May 23 15:48:20 <koen> florian_kc: they even have stopped inventing excuses and went to plain ignoring OE
May 23 15:50:38 <koen> hrw|work: is that gnutls with or without the extra ssl addons?
May 23 15:51:05 <florian_kc> i wonder if i want to maintain familiar in oe myself...
May 23 15:51:39 <koen> florian_kc: you could do it in OE, but I bet some people would get nasty
May 23 15:51:40 <hrw|work> koen: with
May 23 15:51:46 <koen> *cough*hhorg*cough*
May 23 15:52:11 <florian_kc> koen: we are surrounded by people getting nasty... 
May 23 15:52:41 <hrw|work> koen: its 1.3.5->1.4.0 recipe
May 23 15:52:52 * florian_kc is pretty much pissed because of this situation - that's no how it was ment to be
May 23 15:53:16 <koen> florian_kc: and all because france + gang needed to take over from me 
May 23 15:53:33 <koen> ah well
May 23 15:53:43 <koen> let them suffer in their own misery
May 23 15:55:24 <goxboxlive> mickeyl: Ok, but what shall i use as distro then? 
May 23 15:55:44 <koen> goxboxlive: DISTRO="openzaurus-unstable"
May 23 15:56:08 <florian_kc> koen: do you know if there are importent fixes available we might want to check in?
May 23 15:56:13 <koen> mickey|office: if you are going to recommend OZ to !zaurus hw, you'd might want to consider making checkversion machine specific
May 23 15:56:33 <koen> florian_kc: they are in the images and on rene's/eriks disks
May 23 15:56:34 <mickey|office> koen: that should be already
May 23 15:56:40 <koen> florian_kc: so they aren't really available
May 23 15:56:53 <koen> mickey|office: I have checkversion on my h2200 and hx4700.....
May 23 15:57:07 <florian_kc> koen: pb__ mentioned some important bugfixes in bugzilla yesterday... iirc
May 23 15:57:11 <goxboxlive> koen: But i am using the HTC Universal ( i-mate JasJar)
May 23 15:57:16 <koen> goxboxlive: so?
May 23 15:57:24 <koen> either you take the advice, or you don't
May 23 15:57:38 <goxboxlive> koen: : ai ai sir :-)
May 23 15:57:43 <hrw|work> gnutls 1.4.0:  Depends: libgcrypt11 (>= 1.2.2), libgpg-error0 (>= 1.3), libgcc1 (>= 4.0.2), libc6 (>= 2.3.5+cvs20050627)
May 23 15:58:08 <koen> hrw|work: that's not too much
May 23 15:58:21 <florian_kc> hmm.. do we have experience with openzaurus on ipaq?
May 23 15:58:38 * hrw|work want amd64x2 at home ;)
May 23 15:58:41 <koen> florian_kc: as I said, it runs on my h2200 and hx4700
May 23 15:58:56 <koen> florian_kc: it runs great, much faster thanks to softfloat 
May 23 15:59:10 <florian_kc> koen: okay... waht does "checkversion" do?
May 23 15:59:19 <hrw|work> florian_kc: check kernel version
May 23 15:59:35 <hrw|work> florian_kc: initscripts got hardcoded kernel version and check running kernel
May 23 15:59:49 <hrw|work> florian_kc: OZ users too often forgot to flash OZ kernel
May 23 15:59:58 <florian_kc> hrw|work: uh
May 23 16:00:15 <koen> actually, on the hx4700 and h2200 is makes sense
May 23 16:02:17 <hrw|work> will push gnutls 1.4.0, libgpg-error 1.3 later
May 23 16:02:28 <florian_kc> on the older ones it doesn't i guess... 
May 23 16:02:54 <lardman|work> Perhaps time is ripe for a distribution name now then - an Angstrom-pre
May 23 16:03:05 <lardman|work> s/name/name change
May 23 16:03:33 * florian_kc cires for EABI support in 2.4 
May 23 16:03:39 <florian_kc> eh cries
May 23 16:14:22 * Philippe is back (gone 16:51:41)
May 23 16:14:27 <koen> hey Philippe 
May 23 16:14:49 <Philippe> hello koen 
May 23 16:15:01 * Philippe dives in gtk-webcore again...
May 23 16:16:07 * frg is happy :)
May 23 16:16:37 <frg> looks like bitbake finally magically discovered it should build the arm tools
May 23 16:16:55 <frg> lets see how it goes
May 23 16:19:24 <woglinde> hi koen
May 23 16:19:51 <koen> ey woglinde 
May 23 16:19:54 <frg> hmm... as of now it builds gettext, flex, bison so that IS binutils ;) ...   however only the native x86 ones right now
May 23 16:20:01 <frg> hi both of you
May 23 16:20:07 <woglinde> hi frg
May 23 16:21:04 <frg> hope this finally works... or else im gonna use the old method for building opie :D
May 23 16:21:08 <hrw|work> cu
May 23 16:22:44 <woglinde> frg which old method?
May 23 16:24:04 <goxboxlive> If i am deleting OE. And download a new OE.db and start all over again. How do i prevent bitbake to generate locales when i am building in example an opie or gpe image?  I have tried the an patch, bu that missmatc my version. 
May 23 16:25:21 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc5657a49... 10/packages/gnutls/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 
May 23 16:25:21 <CIA-9> gnutls: added 1.4.0 (current stable)
May 23 16:25:21 <CIA-9> - we probably should drop 1.0.xx (old old stable)
May 23 16:25:21 <CIA-9>  and 1.3.5 (development) versions
May 23 16:25:26 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rce949228... 10/packages/libgpg-error/ (libgpg-error-1.3/pkgconfig.patch libgpg-error_1.3.bb): libgpg-error: added 1.3
May 23 16:26:18 <koen> goxboxlive: why wouldn't you want the locales?
May 23 16:26:41 <woglinde> koen maybe he wants to avoid the 1 hour locales generation
May 23 16:26:54 <woglinde> from glibc
May 23 16:27:08 <koen> woglinde: either wait an hour extra, or won't be able to build at all
May 23 16:27:27 <koen> woglinde: it seems goxboxlive has wasted 3 days trying to avoid building the locales
May 23 16:27:44 <woglinde> koen hm
May 23 16:27:47 <koen> 3 days vs 1 hour.... tough choice
May 23 16:28:14 <koen> woglinde: I'm an engineer, so I say "make it work first, optimize later"
May 23 16:28:22 <woglinde> koen yes
May 23 16:29:22 <woglinde> hm new xorg
May 23 16:29:26 <frg> woglinde: you know... the non-oe one ;)    http://dudu.dyn.2-h.org/nist/qt-notes.php  ... if it still works, ofcourse
May 23 16:29:50 <woglinde> frg for which device you want build?
May 23 16:29:57 <frg> h3600
May 23 16:30:12 <woglinde> ah didnt have luck with familar?
May 23 16:30:22 <frg> im trying 
May 23 16:30:24 <koen> s/familiar/bitrot/
May 23 16:30:31 <woglinde> koen *g*
May 23 16:30:37 <woglinde> I told him yesterday
May 23 16:30:45 <woglinde> in otherways
May 23 16:30:58 <frg> :O
May 23 16:31:31 <woglinde> hm it should be possible with openzaurus-unstable
May 23 16:31:54 <frg> anyways... fetching binutils right now... will take an hour with my connection... we'll see...
May 23 16:37:15 * chouimat is away: lunch
May 23 16:38:29 <goxboxlive> koen/woglinde: Last time i generated the locales it took me 24h ( i am not kidding) to build a gpe-image. 
May 23 16:38:50 <woglinde> goxbox I remeber
May 23 16:39:01 <woglinde> goxobox with angstroem or openzaurus?
May 23 16:39:24 <goxboxlive> koen: Why do i wnt the locales, i just need the english one. I have use for arabian locales, neither frence ones.
May 23 16:39:39 <goxboxlive> woglinde: it was 'familiar'
May 23 16:40:07 <woglinde> hm it should glibc 2.3.6 right?
May 23 16:40:31 <goxboxlive> How do i check that? 
May 23 16:41:45 <goxboxlive> Actually, i just dint get it why it takes so long on my macjhine. It is an XP2500 and i have 1GB ram. Is that to little to build with OE
May 23 16:42:22 <woglinde> familiar or familiar-unstable?
May 23 16:42:38 <goxboxlive> familiar, i have had problems with unstable before.
May 23 16:43:09 <likewise> goxboxlive: 1 GB should be enough.
May 23 16:43:22 <woglinde> jepp
May 23 16:43:50 <woglinde> my openzaurus-toolchain generateted the glibc locales in one hour
May 23 16:43:56 <woglinde> xp2800 with 1 gig ram
May 23 16:44:19 <woglinde> is your hardisk in dma-mode?
May 23 16:44:33 <goxboxlive> hold on, i'll check
May 23 16:48:22 <goxboxlive> woglinde: How do i check that on a SATA disk?
May 23 16:48:29 <woglinde> ah okay
May 23 16:48:42 <woglinde> at sata there is no dma mode
May 23 16:48:48 <woglinde> or pio
May 23 16:48:53 <woglinde> its always fastest
May 23 16:49:03 <goxboxlive> :-) ok, the rest of my disks ( IDE ) ll where enabled
May 23 16:49:11 <woglinde> hm
May 23 16:49:26 <woglinde> dont know whats going wrong at your computer
May 23 16:49:45 <woglinde> okay have to reboot
May 23 16:49:48 <woglinde> new kernel
May 23 16:54:03 <woglinde> re
May 23 16:54:08 <woglinde> hm
May 23 16:54:14 <woglinde> it runs faster I think
May 23 16:54:41 <lardman|work> bye guys
May 23 16:55:01 <woglinde> bye lardmand
May 23 17:00:11 <cyrilRomain> How can I get the list of patches applied to a certain package ?
May 23 17:01:27 <woglinde> heja kergoth
May 23 17:01:42 <kergoth> hey
May 23 17:01:42 <florian_kc> hi kergoth 
May 23 17:02:55 <cyrilRomain> a_cerain_package/*.patch, no more no less ?
May 23 17:03:37 <pb_> morning kergoth
May 23 17:03:50 <woglinde> hi pb
May 23 17:03:56 <pb_> yo woglinde 
May 23 17:04:40 <woglinde> re goxbox
May 23 17:05:52 <florian_kc> cyrilRomain: it depends, you need to check in the bb file
May 23 17:05:54 <goxboxlive> Ok, i have started all over again. But should i use the org.openembedded.oz354fam083 branch or the **.dev branch. when i am building for a HTC UNiversal
May 23 17:06:16 <woglinde> goxobox he did you buy one?
May 23 17:06:46 <woglinde> goxbox try the .dev branch and set distro to openzaurus
May 23 17:06:51 <goxboxlive> Yes, i bought one this autum :-)
May 23 17:07:10 <cyrilRomain> florian_kc: ok, I'll take a deeper look then, thx
May 23 17:07:16 <goxboxlive> Why openzaurs ( i am a newbie u know)
May 23 17:07:41 <woglinde> goxbox hm than better use the available image for the htc
May 23 17:08:25 <goxboxlive> Wich available image? he one at handhelds.org?
May 23 17:09:01 <woglinde> hm okay
May 23 17:09:16 <woglinde> its the mda pro
May 23 17:09:40 <woglinde> look here
May 23 17:09:41 <woglinde> http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=UniversalProgress
May 23 17:10:04 <florian_kc> woglinde: they are pretty cheap in .de now :-)
May 23 17:10:20 <woglinde> florian the pro or mdaIII?
May 23 17:10:37 <woglinde> mdaIII 100-150 euros at ebay for the pro I didnt look
May 23 17:12:16 <woglinde> hm oh the motorola a780 and the htc share the same camera modell
May 23 17:12:35 <goxboxlive> woglinde: Yes i know about that image, but that's an modified Blueangel image. I have buildt an newer image with OE, but there are som bugs in it. http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Universal
May 23 17:12:41 <florian_kc> woglinde: the pro... you can get them for less than 400 at ebay.
May 23 17:12:56 <woglinde> florian still a lot of money for me
May 23 17:13:03 <woglinde> even 150
May 23 17:13:08 <woglinde> for a mda III
May 23 17:13:27 <florian_kc> woglinde: true... it would be even much for me, but i'm really tempted to try it.
May 23 17:14:34 <woglinde> goxbox hm what types of bugs?
May 23 17:15:09 <cyrilRomain> florian_kc: is there a special bitbake command that can give me the final list of patches applied ? ('bitbake -v -D' apparently does not list them)
May 23 17:15:37 <woglinde> cyril the easiest way is to look in the .bb
May 23 17:16:11 <CosmicPenguin> or jump in to the work directory and quilt applied
May 23 17:18:32 <cyrilRomain> ok, thx
May 23 17:19:40 <goxboxlive> woglinde: Like the Irattach is pointed to /dev/ttyS1 , wich is our Bluetooth, IRDA should be at ttyS2. And the inittab does not have virtual consoles (tty1 tty2 tty3 tty4) out of the box. ALl the modules doesnt install right ( have to do it manually afterward). And the touchscreen doesnt work, have to add something to tslib.sh and make a ts-conf file.
May 23 17:21:13 <goxboxlive> There are more bugs, like during boot it clamimes opver taht it doeant have support for vfat,ext2,ext3 on ram0 -> ram11. I have to copy the /proc/filesystems to /etc/filesystems to get rid of this.
May 23 17:21:58 <goxboxlive> And the last one, it is very slow, very slow
May 23 17:24:34 <pb_> cyrilRomain: it ought to be fairly straightforward to use bitbake -c showdata | grep ^SRC_URI and then a bit of awk post-processing to extract the "patch=1" uris.
May 23 17:43:04 <cbrake_> is this a fairly standard way to debug builds -- looking for the best techniques for the faq: http://oe.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/OeFaq#head-7fb463176940807fd4f6d0a04773933339f5634c
May 23 17:46:13 <koen> cbrake_: 'bitbake devshell' should do the same
May 23 17:47:45 <koen> cbrake_: it will create a sourceable script in deploy/addons
May 23 17:53:18 <cbrake> koen: wow, that is useful thing to know
May 23 17:53:28 * cbrake adds devshell to OeFaq
May 23 18:01:30 <koen> ~spell integrity
May 23 18:01:32 <ibot> 'integrity' may be spelled correctly
May 23 18:01:39 <koen> ibot: botsnack
May 23 18:01:39 <ibot> thanks, koen
May 23 18:04:19 <woglinde> ~spell integer
May 23 18:04:21 <ibot> 'integer' may be spelled correctly
May 23 18:05:48 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.documentation * r6d0a9eb5... 10/usermanual/usermanual.xml: usermanual/usermanual.xml: Add a section about how to get OE
May 23 18:06:06 <woglinde> hm where is zecke
May 23 18:10:22 <woglinde> hi reenoo
May 23 18:10:46 <reenoo> re
May 23 18:10:49 <reenoo> hey woglinde 
May 23 18:12:40 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.documentation * rcc8da47a... 10/usermanual/usermanual.xml: usermanual/usermanual.xml: add prereq on monotone 0.25
May 23 18:47:53 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r1a204644... 10/packages/liboil/ (liboil_0.3.6.bb liboil_0.3.9.bb): liboil: update to 0.3.9
May 23 18:51:02 <woglinde> hm whats liboil for?
May 23 18:51:18 <koen> optimizations
May 23 18:51:24 <woglinde> ???
May 23 18:51:26 <koen> oil = optimized inner loops
May 23 18:51:32 <woglinde> ah
May 23 18:51:40 <koen> fast implementations of lots of functions
May 23 18:51:45 <goxboxlive> just to have something to play with while OE generates the locales i build a xfce-image before i deleted the *.*.dev branch. But how do i get the xfce to work. 
May 23 18:52:19 <goxboxlive> Because the Xfbdev works. X starts, but nit xfce. How do i link the xcfe to Xfbdev?
May 23 18:52:36 <CosmicPenguin> put it in your xsession somehwere
May 23 18:52:49 <woglinde> something like for (bla=0, 0 < 3, bla++) a = a + bla; resulting in a = a +0 a= a+1 a= a+3
May 23 18:53:02 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r098476e9... 10/packages/schroedinger/schroedinger_0.2.0.0.bb: schroedinger: at first public release of the schroedinger/dirac codec. The package includes a librady and gstreamer plugin
May 23 18:53:06 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0160cc9d... 10/packages/schroedinger/schroedinger_0.2.0.0.bb: schroedinger: at some missing metadata bits
May 23 18:53:26 <koen> CosmicPenguin: xfwm doesn't work on kdrive due to xcomposite
May 23 18:53:27 <CosmicPenguin> schroedinger - what happens when uncreative project namers start hitting the "Random Page" on Wikipedia
May 23 18:53:33 <CosmicPenguin> koen: oh, sad!
May 23 18:54:14 <koen> CosmicPenguin: 24 bits != 888RGB but 5658RGBA
May 23 18:54:43 <hrw|husky> hi
May 23 18:54:47 <CosmicPenguin> thats ok - xfce is really for full blooded machines anyway
May 23 18:54:57 <CosmicPenguin> I prefer Matchbox
May 23 18:55:00 <hrw|husky> gnutls need to ship m4 and pkgconfig probably
May 23 18:56:00 <goxboxlive> FYI: My locales has started to generat. I'll report back when they are finished. I started to build 'nano'
May 23 18:56:46 <hrw|husky> goxboxlive: 1-3h
May 23 18:58:22 <goxboxlive> hrw: Last time i took me allmost 24h :-) .
May 23 18:58:47 <hrw|husky> goxboxlive: pentium 200mhz?
May 23 18:59:03 <koen> ~lart html mail
May 23 18:59:03 * ibot eats html mail and falls over dead
May 23 18:59:10 <goxboxlive> hrw: :-) xp2500 1GB ram.
May 23 18:59:40 <hrw|husky> goxboxlive: axp1700/768 or axp2200/1024 here
May 23 19:01:27 <hrw|husky> CosmicPenguin: you are amd guy... sempron64 2500 (cheapest), semp64 3100 (cool&quiet first model) or athlon64?
May 23 19:01:29 <goxboxlive> koen: So you mean that i can not use xfce with my universal. I am using kdrive-fbdev. I have managed to start it before. But i had to start it inside GPE while GPE was running. But it was so slow that i just deleted everything (again :-) )
May 23 19:02:05 <CosmicPenguin> athlon64, if its for a desktop.. :)
May 23 19:02:18 <CosmicPenguin> but the sempron is good for the budget minded
May 23 19:02:34 <hrw|husky> CosmicPenguin: cash limited.. a64 = semp2500 with board on via
May 23 19:03:01 <hrw|husky> CosmicPenguin: im thinking of cheapest upgrade to amd64
May 23 19:04:13 <CosmicPenguin> hmm... I'm not sure on what semprons fit in a socket 939
May 23 19:04:26 <hrw|husky> CosmicPenguin: and how much give cool&quiet?
May 23 19:04:57 <hrw|husky> CosmicPenguin: semp64 are s754 here.. i do not count s939 ones boundled with some boards
May 23 19:04:58 <CosmicPenguin> its cooler and quieter.. :)
May 23 19:05:08 <CosmicPenguin> depends where the boxen is going
May 23 19:05:48 <hrw|husky> CosmicPenguin: i would exchange axp2200 which goes ~56C
May 23 19:06:03 <CosmicPenguin> sempron should be cooler then that
May 23 19:06:48 <hrw|husky> CosmicPenguin: cooler like cooler.. i prefer quiet :)
May 23 19:06:52 <chris144> good night
May 23 19:06:56 <hrw|husky> n8 chris144 
May 23 19:07:14 <chris144> ni hrw|husky
May 23 19:07:58 <CosmicPenguin> I have an Opteron in my office right now, and its not noisy, but it sure is hot
May 23 19:08:08 <hrw|husky> CosmicPenguin: but does semp64/2500 will be faster in 64bit then axp2200... I rather wont go to 3100 one
May 23 19:08:36 <koen> CosmicPenguin: cool&quiet?
May 23 19:08:48 <hrw|husky> opteron is definitelly no way
May 23 19:09:09 <CosmicPenguin> http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_9485_9487%5E10272,00.html
May 23 19:09:21 <KenJlime> mickey|bbl: you there man?
May 23 19:09:41 <hrw|husky> CosmicPenguin: no way to get link..
May 23 19:09:54 <CosmicPenguin> I know, I know - stupid AMD website
May 23 19:10:06 <CosmicPenguin> but koen was asking questions
May 23 19:10:12 <hrw|husky> opt140 is 850 pln..
May 23 19:10:13 <CosmicPenguin> thats just an overview of the Cool & Quiet stuff
May 23 19:11:24 <hrw|husky> a64/3000 is 430 sem64/2500 is 240 pln
May 23 19:11:30 <KenJlime> koen: I cannot compile qte-mt 2.3.10 for the sh3 arch, but 2.3.12 works fine. Therefore Ive set a preferred version. But the opie include file overrides it, so I basicly want a ? infront of that =
May 23 19:11:52 <hrw|husky> KenJlime: include opie and then set to 2.3.12
May 23 19:11:55 <koen> you'll have to talk to the resident qt/e hackers
May 23 19:12:39 <KenJlime> hrw|husky: Why not set all opie libraries with ?= that way we can override them?
May 23 19:12:53 <KenJlime> doh
May 23 19:12:56 <KenJlime> just realized something
May 23 19:13:02 <KenJlime> your right
May 23 19:13:09 <hrw|husky> KenJlime: ask mickeyl - i do not use .dev branch for device work
May 23 19:13:22 <KenJlime> will do, know how to do for now atleast
May 23 19:15:55 <hrw|husky> cu
May 23 19:44:37 <florian> re
May 23 19:58:36 <koen> ~lart thunderbird 1.5
May 23 19:58:37 * ibot moos at thunderbird 1.5
May 23 19:59:49 <KenJlime> koen: could you commit #1011
May 23 20:00:35 <goxboxlive> FYI: The locales are generated.
May 23 20:03:14 <frg> small question: i've interrupted a build in the middle of do_populate_staging  ... can i resume that without having to build it from start again?
May 23 20:03:46 <KenJlime> frg: yes
May 23 20:03:53 <frg> stage?
May 23 20:04:03 <KenJlime> frg: it does that auto
May 23 20:04:23 <frg> oh really?
May 23 20:05:41 <frg> zomg... its Great! :D
May 23 20:05:46 <frg> lol
May 23 20:06:32 <frg> didn't try that, got scared it would start all over again with unpacking the tarball :)
May 23 20:26:11 <fdv> does internal compiler error on gcc-cross-initial sound familiar to anybody?
May 23 20:26:25 <woglinde> which toolchain?
May 23 20:26:51 <fdv> uhm, sorry?
May 23 20:27:05 <woglinde> binutls 3424323.34
May 23 20:27:09 <woglinde> gcc 5.6.7
May 23 20:27:10 <fdv> just set up oe/bitbake following the getting-started stuff
May 23 20:27:13 <woglinde> glibc 89.34
May 23 20:27:22 <fdv> ok
May 23 20:30:14 <fdv> I presume the tools used are the native ones (x86)
May 23 20:30:26 <fdv> gcc there is 4.0.3
May 23 20:31:41 <fdv> binutils is 2.16.1cvs20060117-1
May 23 20:32:15 <florian> koen: do orinoco-modules (oz-unstable, .dev) build for you?
May 23 20:33:27 <fdv> libc is 2.3.6-7
May 23 20:36:32 <fdv> woglinde: those the ones you meant?
May 23 20:37:10 <zecke> koen: tomorrow I have some more time again
May 23 20:57:56 <koen> florian: no, neither do the atmeldrivers
May 23 20:58:01 <koen> florian: with kernel 2.6, that is
May 23 21:03:04 <florian> koen: same with 2.4, looks like spectrum_cs triggers a ggc 4.0 bug
May 23 21:19:57 <frg> zecke: the build process works fine now :)   (building glibc for arm right now)
May 23 21:20:12 <zecke> frg: awesome, what was the resolution?
May 23 21:20:22 <frg> not that i know what was wrong before ;)
May 23 21:20:36 <frg> maybe the update to bitbaker 1.4.2
May 23 21:21:55 <frg> i mean the 1.4.0 i had before didnt work well and now 1.4.2 works
May 23 21:23:04 <frg> i dont remember any other significant change ^^
May 23 21:24:34 <frg> and i stopped playing with having and not having external crosscompiler used and decided to have it built inside
May 23 21:26:51 <zecke> frg: have you seen the Documentation on using prebuilt toolchains and implications with that decision?
May 23 21:27:18 <frg> i guess not...
May 23 21:27:44 * Philippe is away: visual contact - melancholic dreams
May 23 21:28:02 <zecke> http://oe.handhelds.org/usermanual/ch05s05.html
May 23 21:28:23 <zecke> there are some implications and issues ahead
May 23 21:28:37 <frg> i've chosen a prebuilt one after it failed many times to build its own
May 23 21:28:48 <zecke> ah okay ;)
May 23 21:28:55 <zecke> I was forced to use a pre-built one
May 23 21:29:12 <frg> and then i've forgotten to remove it from path (if that mattered) ;)
May 23 21:32:12 <frg> hmm... looks like it is not very straightforward to set that up correctly
May 23 21:55:54 <frg|asleep> good night
May 23 22:09:54 <fdv> woglinde: thanks, you put me on the right track. upgrading gcc helped :)
May 23 22:09:55 <woglinde> fdv no prob
May 23 22:12:20 <zecke> nite
May 23 22:12:27 <florian> zecke: gn
May 23 22:29:26 <Greg2> hello
May 23 22:30:27 <Greg2> until i pick up a larger hd for my laptop i thought i would set up oe on my desktop
May 23 22:30:33 <Greg2> my desktop only has 512mb of ram, will that be a problem?
May 23 22:31:40 <woglinde> greg2 no
May 23 22:31:57 <woglinde> compiling will be a little bit slower than with 1 gig
May 23 22:32:06 <woglinde> but principal no prob
May 23 22:32:44 <Greg2> woglinde  ok  thanks
May 23 22:33:02 <Greg2> does anyone still use the cow patch, or is that built in.. or not needed now
May 23 22:33:40 <woglinde> use bitbake 1.4.2 as suggested in the topic
May 23 22:34:33 <CosmicPenguin> wow - I haven't heard "cow" in quite a long time
May 23 22:35:07 <Greg2> that must be why i couldn't find out much about it
May 23 22:36:08 <Greg2> thanks, it's time to build
May 23 22:36:12 <Greg2> s/build/bitbake
May 23 22:36:21 <Greg2> bye all
May 23 22:43:08 <JustinP> hrw|gone: any reason you didn't put up e-image for rc4? I'm getting worried that there are strange discrepancies between our build systems...
May 23 22:56:51 <JustinP> koen: what *is* going on....who sent what insults? I'm honestly at a loss for what happened with Familiar
May 23 23:21:47 <JustinP> hrw|gone: my fears have been confirmed....rxvt works fine in your oz 3.5.4.1 rc4 image but in mine it doesn't. And you seem to keep having gcc compilation errors whereas I don't.
May 23 23:22:17 <JustinP> hrw|gone: I'll try another pull and update and rebuild to see if some magic will happen on my system...
May 24 00:05:57 <emte> man .... i really did not mean to escalate that thread ...
May 24 00:06:14 <emte> oh well, it seems a few things are clarified
May 24 00:08:32 <emte> myself i want to keep familiar in OE and synced when it is possible, especially since it is the only project maintaining 2.4 kernels ( and sponsoring dev of 2.6 ) until they can be switched to 2.6
May 24 00:10:19 * chouimat is away: BEER
May 24 00:10:26 <emte> mmmm BEER!!!
May 24 00:10:52 * emte i tired of programming PICs
May 24 00:11:00 <emte> can someon just shoot me?
May 24 00:12:01 * CosmicPenguin wonders if he could specify a machine type of k6-linux
May 24 00:12:12 <CosmicPenguin> I can't figure out if glibc would work or just blow up
May 24 00:12:15 <emte> you should be able to
May 24 00:12:33 <emte> providing that exists as a machine.conf ...
May 24 00:12:54 <emte> glibc supports that i belive ...
May 24 00:12:58 <CosmicPenguin> I have text editors - machine.confs can be created
May 24 00:13:21 <emte> k6 is best a chip forgottten, but if you really wnt to use it ...
May 24 00:13:46 <CosmicPenguin> I didn't say I wanted to use it, I said I wanted to build for it
May 24 00:13:54 <emte> did the kernel devs fix all the problems in the end or just abandon it?
May 24 00:14:27 <emte> it had a pretty short life as far as chip arch go
May 24 00:25:19 <emte> now that i think about it, i am confusing k6 and k7 arnt i?
May 24 00:51:11 <JustinP> emte: you're saying that OZ is not getting kernel 2.6 work done? Perhaps you mean iPaq 2.6 kernel work
May 24 00:51:54 <emte> JustinP, 2.4 devices -> 2.6  , all the OZ devices use 2.6 currently do tehy not?
May 24 00:52:25 <JustinP> emte: no, the 5500 uses 2.4 still
May 24 00:52:55 <JustinP> emte: we have no want od 2.4 kernels. The Sharp Embeddix kernels are a maintenance nightmare
May 24 00:53:03 <emte> did not know that, altho my comment was partially in reference to SOC sponsorship
May 24 00:53:08 <JustinP> em	what I;mt talking about is you saying that Familiar os the only project sponsoring dev of 2.6....
May 24 00:53:26 <emte> through hh.org
May 24 00:53:26 <JustinP> anyway, I'm sure I just misunderstood what you were saying
May 24 00:53:33 <JustinP> no need to start another flame way
May 24 00:53:37 <JustinP> war
May 24 00:53:38 <emte> nope
May 24 00:53:42 <emte> :)
May 24 00:53:43 <JustinP> (through hh.org?)
May 24 00:53:53 <JustinP> sorry, just not sure what you're referring to
May 24 00:54:01 <emte> hh.org currently and in the past has been in SOC
May 24 00:54:08 <JustinP> OZ (well, RP) is doing 2.6 kernel work...
May 24 00:54:14 <JustinP> oh, summer of code
May 24 00:54:22 <emte> yeah
May 24 00:54:23 <JustinP> that's what you mean by sponsoring
May 24 00:54:27 <JustinP> ok, then
May 24 00:54:58 <emte> in part, they also have provided hardware to certain devs i belive
May 24 00:54:58 <JustinP> I would love for someone to help RP with some 2.6 Zaurus kernel work...
May 24 00:55:23 <JustinP> I woould love for my damn remote driver to work
May 24 00:55:26 <JustinP> so frustrating
May 24 00:55:29 <emte> lol
May 24 00:56:00 <emte> i need to spend more time reading my kernel book to fiddle with ipaq 2.6
May 24 00:56:12 <emte> maybe after classes are done i'll have time again
May 24 03:19:35 * chouimat is away: Zzzzz
May 24 03:29:48 <CSMan> why would it take forever to build locales ?
May 24 04:25:31 <JustinP> CSMan: because it's using qemu to build them
May 24 04:26:33 <CSMan> JustinP: fpu emulator ?
May 24 04:27:33 <JustinP> CSMan: arm emulator....
May 24 04:27:49 <JustinP> mickey|zzZZzz: that patch is for bitbake-1.4 branch, not trunk....
May 24 04:28:30 <CSMan> i see
May 24 04:41:57 <JustinP> grrr....
May 24 06:18:28 <Frg> mornin'  (CET timezone)
May 24 06:20:58 <zecke> moinhi
May 24 06:24:19 <goxboxlive> Ok, there have t be something wrong. I am now using a fresh new dev branch. But still it refuse to build Opie-bluepin. It claimes over some libqte-mt. But i have that declared in local.conf (also tried without, and the local.conf has worked before), and i know the libqt-mt is located in my  staging/arm-linux/qt2/lib/ directory.
May 24 06:24:44 <goxboxlive> Here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/734615
May 24 06:26:09 <zecke> I will have time by friday
May 24 06:26:20 <zecke> goxboxlive: you should really stick to a 'stable' date...
May 24 06:26:51 <zecke> you built without rtti
May 24 06:27:04 <zecke> dunno how you made that happen, and no time to look into your local.conf
May 24 06:28:00 <goxboxlive> ok, but i have the same problem with the stable distro. Koen told me to use openzaurus distro. But i cant do that in for the Universal? Isent that like using arm for x86?
May 24 06:28:27 <goxboxlive> zecke: That's ok, i'll probably get help from someone else. :-)
May 24 06:28:48 <emte> does that last question even make sense?
May 24 06:31:22 <goxboxlive> emte: What do you mean?
May 24 06:31:55 <emte> But i cant do that in for the Universal? Isent that like using arm for x86?
May 24 06:32:04 <emte> what were you asking there?
May 24 06:32:13 <kergoth> it definately didnt make any sense, i read it a few times with no luck
May 24 06:32:18 <kergoth> heh
May 24 06:33:22 <emte> okay, i am glad it wasnt only me :)
May 24 06:33:44 <emte> how goes kergoth 
May 24 06:33:46 <goxboxlive> :-) well guys it's probably my enlish :-)
May 24 06:33:57 <emte> build anything interesting lately?
May 24 06:35:25 <goxboxlive> But, now it worked. I have buildt the opie-bluepin.  I changed the qte-mt-2.3.10 to qt-mt-3.3.5 and it buildt.
May 24 06:35:52 <goxboxlive> notice qte ->  qt
May 24 06:36:21 <emte> yes, using the proper libraries does help
May 24 06:37:31 <emte> altho it should have depended on it by itself
May 24 06:38:04 <goxboxlive> Yes i also copied the libeary from my computer to the staging/arm-linux/qt2/lib/ directory.
May 24 06:38:58 <zecke> goxboxlive: :)
May 24 06:39:19 <zecke> goxboxlive: that is not smart, I wonder how you changed that...
May 24 06:39:53 <emte> can you override by building one pacakge ?
May 24 06:40:26 <goxboxlive> zecke: Well have no clue my self. But now it works. Will try to build an opie-image later.
May 24 06:40:40 <emte> not sure how he is "changing" things myself
May 24 06:40:55 <zecke> goxboxlive: Opie will certainly not work with Qt version e
May 24 06:42:26 <goxboxlive> zecke: Hmm. Well then there got to be something wrong in my local.conf. I'll try to aks mickeyl or koen or someone else with skills like you to have a look at it. 
May 24 06:42:38 <zecke> :)
May 24 06:43:50 <emte> goxboxlive, how did you chage the library?
May 24 06:43:54 <emte> change*
May 24 06:46:14 <goxboxlive> emte: In the local.conf i changed PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libqte2="qte-mt" to this: PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libqte2="qt-mt" . And i copied my /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.6 to staging/arm-linux/qt2/lib/ and it just worked.
May 24 06:46:28 <zecke> lol
May 24 06:46:36 <emte> bad goxboxlive bad!
May 24 06:46:41 <zecke> file /usr/lib/libqt-mt.so.3.3.6
May 24 06:47:07 <goxboxlive> yes, why is that so bad (i am a rookie)
May 24 06:47:21 <zecke> goxboxlive: your library is unlikely to be for arm
May 24 06:47:31 <zecke> goxboxlive: if you ever link -lqt-mt it will fail ;)
May 24 06:47:36 <emte> you shouldnt cross define libraries, and you should not copy in "host" libraries
May 24 06:48:41 <goxboxlive> zecke: hmm, i remember i did this last time it worked also. And the Opie-image worked on my JasJar, but it was rather slow.  
May 24 06:49:09 <zecke> goxboxlive: your host is not an ARM right?
May 24 06:49:22 <goxboxlive> zecke: No it's not.
May 24 06:49:38 <emte> his paste said i686
May 24 06:49:56 <zecke> goxboxlive: if you are lucky you didn't do any harm
May 24 06:50:10 <zecke> goxboxlive: if the library gets ever picked up you will have a build failure
May 24 06:50:19 <zecke> goxboxlive: with a weird error message
May 24 06:51:27 <goxboxlive> zecke: Ok, but it's kind of starnge that it's working now. Well i'll report back if the image where buildt succcessfully. Otherwise i will have a lot of questions as allways :-)
May 24 06:52:19 <emte> goxboxlive, how are you telling opie to use qte ?
May 24 06:52:33 <goxboxlive> PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/libqte2="qt-mt
May 24 06:52:48 <hrw> hi
May 24 06:53:20 <hrw> ~lart authors for AC_TRY_RUN without crosscompile parts
May 24 06:53:21 * ibot brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, authors!" and lops off authors's head for AC_TRY_RUN without crosscompile parts
May 24 06:53:21 <emte> goxboxlive, you must have told it to use qte sometime before taht
May 24 06:53:43 <goxboxlive> PREFERRED_PROVIDERS = "virtual/qte:libqte-opie virtual/libqpe1:libqpe-opie"
May 24 06:54:00 <zecke> goxboxlive: pastebin staging/arm-linux/opie.pro please
May 24 06:54:18 <zecke> goxboxlive: if you switched the version of QtE (mt vs. single threaded)
May 24 06:54:28 <zecke> goxboxlive: you will have to rebuild some stuff :}
May 24 06:55:02 <goxboxlive> zecke: I dont have the opie.pro file
May 24 06:55:24 <zecke> might be somewhere else
May 24 06:55:29 <goxboxlive> ok, hold on.
May 24 06:55:30 <zecke> anyway let us wait for mickeyl
May 24 06:55:36 <zecke> I'm in a lecturer anyway
May 24 06:56:40 <goxboxlive> zecke: I agree with you, follow your lecture or you get bad grades :-)
May 24 06:59:39 <hrw> root@c7x0:/var/tmp# arm-linux-gcc /tmp/epoll.c -o /tmp/epoll
May 24 06:59:39 <hrw> /usr/bin/ld:/usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../libc.so: file format not recognized; treating as linker script
May 24 06:59:43 <hrw> /usr/bin/ld:/usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../libc.so:5: syntax error
May 24 06:59:45 <hrw> ;(
May 24 06:59:53 <zecke> :(
May 24 07:00:01 <zecke> that is bad
May 24 07:00:02 <ixoth> hello everyone
May 24 07:00:04 <zecke> /usr/bin/ld?
May 24 07:00:49 <hrw> zecke: thats gcc+binutils on my Z
May 24 07:01:00 <zecke> oh okay
May 24 07:01:30 <hrw> zecke: I need to run one configure script on Z (populate cache)
May 24 07:02:03 <hrw> zecke: even helloworld.c does not compile :(
May 24 07:02:24 <zecke> that is bad
May 24 07:02:42 <hrw> editing /usr/lib/libc.so helped
May 24 07:02:51 <zecke> /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../libc.so exists?
May 24 07:02:57 <hrw> -GROUP ( /lib/libc.so.6 /usr/lib/libc_nonshared.a  AS_NEEDED ( /lib/ld-linux.so.2 ) )
May 24 07:02:58 <zecke> hrw: oh what was wrong?
May 24 07:03:01 <hrw> +GROUP ( /lib/libc.so.6 /usr/lib/libc_nonshared.a )
May 24 07:03:22 <hrw> /usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux/3.4.4/../../../libc.so == /usr/lib/libc.so
May 24 07:03:30 <hrw> zecke: AS_NEEDED thing
May 24 07:03:44 * zecke didn't know tha file
May 24 07:03:47 <zecke> :}
May 24 07:04:11 <zecke> is your binutils too old? (or different from the one used to build the toolchain?)
May 24 07:04:24 <Frg> hehe, for a moment i thought goxboxlive's host machine was strongarm, when he copied the lib ;)  
May 24 07:04:27 <hrw> currently the same
May 24 07:04:53 <hrw> zecke: I reverted OZ binutils to correct one on Z
May 24 07:05:18 <cyrilRomain> morning
May 24 07:05:27 <goxboxlive> Frg: Hmm, well but isent this strange. Now it builds, amd it dident before my excellent move :-) 
May 24 07:05:59 <Frg> incredible!
May 24 07:06:24 <Frg> hmm... you sure it built for arm and not x86?
May 24 07:08:03 <goxboxlive> hmm, my movw wasent that excellent at all . It failed with the opie-bluepin again. Maybe it didnt build at all for some minuttes ago. Have to check.
May 24 07:08:18 <emte> goxboxlive, building and working are not always the same thing
May 24 07:08:40 <Frg> true ;D
May 24 07:09:30 <goxboxlive> looks like i did a bitbake opie-bluepin -cclean and of course that worked. Well i am back where i started.
May 24 07:09:45 <zecke> goxboxlive: hehe
May 24 07:09:50 <goxboxlive> :-)
May 24 07:09:52 <Frg> rofl
May 24 07:09:53 <zecke> goxboxlive: rebuild libqpe1
May 24 07:09:58 <zecke> goxboxlive: and see again :)
May 24 07:10:02 <emte> no
May 24 07:10:03 <goxboxlive> ok
May 24 07:10:17 <emte> first fix your PREFERRED
May 24 07:10:24 <zecke> right :)
May 24 07:11:19 <hrw> cu - time to go to work
May 24 07:11:19 <goxboxlive> emte: fix it back to qte-mt?
May 24 07:11:32 <emte> yes, do not cross referenec libraries
May 24 07:13:58 <emte> once you start doing that you will never find the source of your problem and noone will be able to help you
May 24 07:15:00 <goxboxlive> ok, i'll se. Well i have changed the local.conf and i have deleted the libqt-mt
May 24 07:15:03 <zecke> goxboxlive: qte-mt because you want to build konqueror embedded?
May 24 07:16:02 <zecke> goxboxlive: PALMTOP_USE_MULTITHREADED_QT = "yes" as well please :)
May 24 07:16:11 <goxboxlive> zecke: Because when i started to build it said after 'multiple providers detected' . But that's a while ago. Maybe i just should start with a blank local.conf and start all over again
May 24 07:16:25 <zecke> goxboxlive: no, not starting all over again
May 24 07:18:07 <emte> i am curious, why not follow a stable distro build sequence? ( since you whill have working version numbers )
May 24 07:18:18 <emte> will*
May 24 07:18:47 <goxboxlive> zecke i dont have any libqpe1 bb file.
May 24 07:19:38 <zecke> goxboxlive: remember, you set a PREFERRED provider for that one ;)
May 24 07:20:00 <goxboxlive> hmm, ill remove it.
May 24 07:20:06 <zecke> goxboxlive: what?
May 24 07:20:17 <zecke> remove is a bad keyword (in my internal pattern matching)
May 24 07:20:19 <goxboxlive> the prefferd provider in the local.conf
May 24 07:20:36 <zecke> goxboxlive: why?
May 24 07:20:41 <zecke> goxboxlive: did I ask you to do so?
May 24 07:20:46 <zecke> I hope I didn't
May 24 07:20:49 <goxboxlive> :-) no sir .
May 24 07:20:55 <zecke> I just said you should rebuild it...
May 24 07:21:11 <zecke> goxboxlive: but most important thing, set the variable I haved asked you to set
May 24 07:21:22 <emte> you shoudl rebuild everything anytime you modify local.conf
May 24 07:21:25 <emte> should*
May 24 07:21:46 <goxboxlive> but, how do i rebuild it if it's not there. Ok i'll set the palmtop.
May 24 07:22:04 <zecke> goxboxlive: virtual/libqpe1 -> libqpe-opie?
May 24 07:22:42 <emte> he needs a version set for taht as well no?
May 24 07:23:02 <goxboxlive> zecke yes, should i change it to something else?
May 24 07:23:18 <emte> unless he is using cvs ...
May 24 07:23:27 <goxboxlive> using cvs
May 24 07:23:37 <zecke> goxboxlive: did I say to change anything?
May 24 07:23:49 <goxboxlive> no
May 24 07:23:54 <zecke> goxboxlive: anyway put the line inside your local.conf
May 24 07:24:09 <zecke> and rebuild every gui bit, or rm -rf tmp and start over
May 24 07:24:17 <goxboxlive> i have putted the palmtop inside local.conf
May 24 07:24:26 <goxboxlive> ok.
May 24 07:24:51 * emte votes rm -RF tmp  and going to get a coffee
May 24 07:25:01 <zecke> cya later :)
May 24 07:25:12 <goxboxlive> yes thanks again.
May 24 07:25:16 <zecke> you are welcome
May 24 07:27:47 <ixoth> hmm... anyone has any ideas - how do I add a package in bootstrap-image? i've tried adding it to BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS and BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS - but it changed nothing :(
May 24 07:33:45 <hrw|work> emte: iirc you was trying to get wcf54g working?
May 24 07:36:33 <CIA-9> 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * rd9fe7edf... 10/classes/base.bbclass: 
May 24 07:36:33 <CIA-9> classes/base.bbclass: Add GnuPG mirror
May 24 07:36:33 <CIA-9>  Add two european and one north american mirror
May 24 07:36:33 <CIA-9>  for gnupg.
May 24 08:04:10 <ade|desk> morning folks
May 24 08:04:47 <hrw|work> hi ljp
May 24 08:05:02 <lpotter> hi
May 24 08:15:20 <Frg> build status >>> modutils-cross built, downloading gcc-cross-kernel-3.3.4 ...
May 24 08:15:28 <Frg> and off to work...
May 24 08:31:02 <zecke> ipkg-native is segfaulting :(
May 24 08:31:21 <ixoth> i've had same problems...
May 24 08:31:41 <zecke> ixoth: used a different ipkg version?
May 24 08:31:42 <cyrilRomain> me too with ipkg-cl...
May 24 08:31:59 <ixoth> it segfaulted when my builddir was something like /opt/oe/build-poodle-2.6-uclibc
May 24 08:32:18 <ixoth> when I changed it to /opt/oe/zaurus26uc - it worked
May 24 08:32:28 <zecke> ah :)
May 24 08:32:45 <zecke> that gets added to the toodlist
May 24 08:32:48 <zecke> todo...
May 24 08:32:49 <ixoth> I don't know why, in fact :(
May 24 08:33:05 <cyrilRomain> good to know, I'll try to rename my build.angstrom to buildangstrom
May 24 08:34:03 <zecke> cyrilRomain: mine has a lot of '-' but no dots
May 24 08:34:11 <cyrilRomain> maybe the dot is mistaken in a sed search&replace
May 24 08:34:19 <zecke> one more hour and I can do bitbake/OE hacking :}
May 24 08:34:23 <zecke> (in my spare time)
May 24 08:34:27 <ixoth> :)
May 24 08:34:29 <cyrilRomain> :)
May 24 08:37:24 <zecke> about time to implement a git sync :}
May 24 08:40:26 * ade|desk shakes fit at hi-mobile.net no a780 for me ... sob sob
May 24 08:41:15 <koen> ade|desk: ah, too bad
May 24 08:59:00 <zecke> mickey|zzZZzz: I will try to update my migration proposal
May 24 09:04:33 <ixoth> so... maybe somebody will help me...
May 24 09:04:43 <ixoth> how do i add a package in bootstrap-image
May 24 09:04:54 <ixoth> i've tried tried adding it to BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RDEPENDS and BOOTSTRAP_EXTRA_RRECOMMENDS - but it changed nothing :(
May 24 09:06:25 <koen> ixoth: did you clean bootstrap-image after changing it?
May 24 09:06:34 <koen> it could be the old tasks are being cached
May 24 09:17:51 <mithro> hey zecke or mickey|zzZZzz you about?
May 24 09:20:23 <zecke> mithro: accepted/rejected?
May 24 09:20:48 <koen> hey liam
May 24 09:21:00 <zecke> ixoth: adding these variables sound good
May 24 09:21:02 <koen> shiyee: congrats on the gnome SoC
May 24 09:21:05 <lrg> morning koen, mickeyl , zecke 
May 24 09:21:16 <zecke> ixoth: but you need to rebuild the task-bootstrap package
May 24 09:21:26 <mickeyl> hi lrg!
May 24 09:21:28 <mickeyl> morning guys
May 24 09:23:17 <mithro> morning mickeyl 
May 24 09:23:55 <mickeyl> hi mithro
May 24 09:29:46 <zecke> ERROR: No buildable providers for runtime irk-targus
May 24 09:32:47 <hrw|work> zecke: strange
May 24 09:32:51 <hrw|work> hi mickeyl 
May 24 09:36:08 <shiyee> koen: thank you :-) how many/who got accepted for hh.org?
May 24 09:36:32 <koen> shiyee: 5 people including me
May 24 09:36:44 <shiyee> nice :-)
May 24 09:38:06 <mickeyl> hi hrw
May 24 09:42:52 <mithro> mickeyl: sadly I didn't get accepted for SoC :/
May 24 09:43:34 <mickeyl> mithro: bummer. i'm a bit angry about that as well. we were assing very few slots by google :/
May 24 09:43:39 <mickeyl> assigned, even
May 24 09:43:49 <mithro> just chatting to zecke about it
May 24 09:45:13 <mithro> of course you learned your lesson, If you really want a project you'll should push it to the top ;)
May 24 09:45:37 <koen> we aren't 7 year old russian brats 
May 24 09:45:37 <mickeyl> heh
May 24 09:46:28 <mithro> koen: russian brats?
May 24 09:46:49 <koen> *cough*pdaXrom*cough*
May 24 09:46:54 <koen> *cough*sash*cough*
May 24 09:47:27 <zecke> koen: shut up
May 24 09:48:44 <mickeyl> heh
May 24 09:49:36 <zecke> :)
May 24 09:49:52 <mickeyl> too much coughing is not good for your throat ;)
May 24 09:49:53 <zecke> ~koensnack
May 24 09:51:23 * koen eats snack
May 24 09:51:34 <zecke> ~koensnoopje
May 24 09:51:39 <zecke> snopje?
May 24 09:51:42 <zecke> whatever :}
May 24 09:51:46 <koen> snoepje :)
May 24 09:52:02 <pb__> hail zecke
May 24 09:52:04 <pb__> hail mickeyl
May 24 09:52:08 <mickeyl> hey pb__
May 24 09:53:56 <petn-randall> does that happen very often to you two ?
May 24 09:54:15 <zecke> petn-randall: what?
May 24 09:54:27 <petn-randall> that you two get hailed ?
May 24 09:54:51 <zecke> petn-randall: pb_ developed this habit, but he is the master
May 24 09:55:09 <zecke> as he is the CTO
May 24 09:55:09 <petn-randall> ok, great ;)
May 24 09:55:12 <lardman|work> morning
May 24 09:55:27 <mithro> I feel a little jipped getting so close now :/
May 24 09:56:30 <ade|desk> where is the lst of people and projects awarded ?
May 24 09:56:54 <mithro> you can only see it if you are a mentor at the moment from what I understand
May 24 09:57:31 <zecke> mithro: well we have assigned applications
May 24 09:57:41 <zecke> mithro: but we don't know if google accepted them
May 24 09:58:33 <koen> the students know
May 24 09:58:38 <koen> they got a mail from google
May 24 09:59:17 <koen> the project should appear in http://code.google.com/soc/handhelds/about.html soon
May 24 09:59:46 <mithro> btw how many applications did hh.org get?
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