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Jun 09 04:35:46 <nemu_1> Zero_Chaos / SD Card Problem ?
Jun 09 05:32:36 <nemu_1> ~pastebin
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Jun 09 05:54:21 <Bernardo> good morning
Jun 09 05:54:53 <nemu_1> afternoon 
Jun 09 05:54:55 <nemu_1> :)
Jun 09 06:32:51 <hrw> morning
Jun 09 07:36:28 <XorA> morning
Jun 09 07:37:01 <NAbyss> Ello
Jun 09 07:38:12 <zecke> hey
Jun 09 07:38:23 <hrw> hi zecke NAbyss 
Jun 09 07:38:30 <zecke> gosh, nautilius is a pile of shit :}
Jun 09 07:39:05 <zecke> Error "General Error" on copying from ftp://XXX@..._xcale.ipk"
Jun 09 07:39:07 <zecke> wow
Jun 09 07:39:30 <ade|desk> howdy folks
Jun 09 07:51:35 <eFfeM> hi all
Jun 09 07:52:15 <eFfeM> zecke, the most beautiful flowers grow on a pile of shit :-)
Jun 09 07:52:33 <zecke> eFfeM: miguel?
Jun 09 07:52:59 <eFfeM> oh, this was not really related to nautilus
Jun 09 07:53:09 <zecke> hehe
Jun 09 07:53:20 <eFfeM> more a general philosophical remark
Jun 09 07:53:25 <eFfeM> end of the week .....
Jun 09 07:53:58 <eFfeM> do you still know who asked about 4.1.1 ? I could build it
Jun 09 07:56:00 <zecke> 4.1.1 of what?
Jun 09 07:56:03 <zecke> gcc?
Jun 09 07:56:13 <zecke> no, I don't remember :)
Jun 09 07:56:14 <eFfeM> gcc
Jun 09 07:56:43 <eFfeM> ok, I'll check the log, i was working on gcc 4.1.1. and someone mentioned he could build the cross compiler, but not the package
Jun 09 07:57:02 <zecke> eFfeM: hrw, had issues with the 'package'
Jun 09 07:57:08 <zecke> eFfeM: but that was with gcc 3.4.4
Jun 09 07:57:10 <eFfeM> i had no problems with the package, still need to test though
Jun 09 07:57:21 <eFfeM> ah, ok
Jun 09 07:57:26 <Cockroach-> I disagree, the flower doesn't need to be much to look beautiful, when it's growing on a pile of shit :)
Jun 09 07:57:26 <Cockroach-> On paraolympics, I could be a winner too
Jun 09 07:58:37 <zecke> lol
Jun 09 07:58:53 <hrw> eFfeM: I cannot build gcc 3.4.4
Jun 09 07:59:11 <hrw> who want vim 7.0?
Jun 09 08:00:22 <eFfeM> hrw i am definitely interested in newer vims (altough 6.0 does it job for me and I have no idea what could be added)
Jun 09 08:00:47 <hrw> eFfeM: 7.0 is going to be pushed
Jun 09 08:00:52 <hrw> I use it on my Z
Jun 09 08:00:59 <eFfeM> hrw I can try to build gcc 3.4.4 for arm be (that is on my system) using of course cross 3.4.4. Would that test help you?
Jun 09 08:01:13 <zecke> hrw: do we ship a saner default configuration of vim?
Jun 09 08:01:20 <eFfeM> hrw: then I'll get it in due time
Jun 09 08:01:37 <hrw> zecke: we do not ship config at all
Jun 09 08:01:44 <hrw> eFfeM: yes
Jun 09 08:03:00 <zecke> :}
Jun 09 08:03:18 <eFfeM> will start it right away, will keep you posted (I'm away from my system at a lot of times as I actually need to do some paid work as well ...)
Jun 09 08:04:38 <eFfeM> btw will push a new pacakge asterisk-sounds in a few minutes, together with a bb file for asterisk 1.2.9.1
Jun 09 08:05:15 <eFfeM> thanks to corneliu who did the actual work but does not have write acces syet
Jun 09 08:07:02 <hrw> zecke: I'm going to change qte/qpe/libopie recipes to generate -dev
Jun 09 08:07:40 <zecke> hrw: good, I had a patch to one of our bbclasses to use PACKAGES +=
Jun 09 08:07:48 <zecke> hrw: to not remove the -dev packages automatically
Jun 09 08:09:31 <hrw> zecke: on device - /opt/QtPalmtop/include (suxx) or just /usr/include/ - which?
Jun 09 08:10:27 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rfec0c3f3... 10/packages/vim/ (vim-7.0/configure.patch vim_7.0.bb): vim: added 7.0
Jun 09 08:10:32 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r167e8370... 10/packages/vim/vim-tiny_7.0.bb: vim-tiny: added 7.0
Jun 09 08:10:37 <CIA-9> 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * re046878c... 10/packages/ezx/ (4 files): ezx: pinpoint svn revisions
Jun 09 08:10:41 <CIA-9> 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r65a05615... 10/packages/linux/linux-ezx/ (defconfig-a780 defconfig-e680): linux-ezx: compile led and backlight drivers into kernel (they're working ok now)
Jun 09 08:10:45 <CIA-9> 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r79d9baa2... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): linux-ezx: fix e680 keypad properly, drop HACK patch
Jun 09 08:10:50 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rece612fc... 10/packages/vim/ (vim-7.0/configure.patch vim-tiny_7.0.bb vim_7.0.bb): vim: added 7.0
Jun 09 08:17:02 <hrw> zecke: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/hrw/t/libqte-dev.txt looks ok?
Jun 09 08:20:50 <zecke> ./usr/include/qte/asm/ ?
Jun 09 08:21:05 <zecke> ./usr/include/asm/sharp_char.h
Jun 09 08:21:11 <zecke> ./usr/include/linux/switches.h
Jun 09 08:21:15 <zecke> we should not install those
Jun 09 08:21:21 <hrw> zecke: I copied do_stage() to do_install()
Jun 09 08:21:30 <hrw> ok
Jun 09 08:21:45 <zecke> oh, we shouldn't stage them as well
Jun 09 08:22:03 <zecke> hrw: and I'm glad we don't copy the private headers ATM (and that stuff works)
Jun 09 08:22:24 <eFfeM> hrw, bb gcc is running, it is gcc-3.4.4-r5
Jun 09 08:22:39 <hrw> eFfeM: thx
Jun 09 08:23:20 <ade|desk> what got changed?
Jun 09 08:31:23 <eFfeM> ade|desk: what got changed with what ?
Jun 09 08:32:33 <eFfeM> bbl (coffee break)
Jun 09 08:33:21 <CIA-9> 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r53bcee39... 10/packages/asterisk/ (asterisk-1.2.9.1/asterisk.patch asterisk_1.2.9.1.bb): asterisk: added 1.2.9.1
Jun 09 08:33:26 <CIA-9> 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * rff2cf29b... 10/packages/asterisk-sounds/asterisk-sounds_1.2.1.bb: asterisk-sounds: added package on behalf of Corneliu. release 1.2.1
Jun 09 08:33:30 <CIA-9> 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * re8030c72... 10/conf/distro/slugos-packages.conf: slugos-packages.conf: added asterisk-sounds
Jun 09 08:35:14 <bluelightning> hi all
Jun 09 08:40:21 <ade|desk> eFfeM: i thought you had changed gcc
Jun 09 08:41:19 <hrw> hi bluelightning 
Jun 09 08:41:31 <bluelightning> hi hrw 
Jun 09 08:58:55 <eFfeM> ade|desk: no, i didn't apparently hrw could not build gcc so i offered to give it a try
Jun 09 08:59:38 <eFfeM> hrw, gcc 3.4.4r5 builds fine for me, i cannot really test right now.
Jun 09 08:59:43 <eFfeM> do you need a log?
Jun 09 09:00:10 <hrw> eFfeM: no - info 'gcc 3.4.4r5 builds fine' is enough
Jun 09 09:00:13 <hrw> thx for testing
Jun 09 09:01:06 <eFfeM> np, my pleasure
Jun 09 09:02:56 <eFfeM> anyone around who is knowledgeable on ixp4xx (especially the build process for ixp-osal)?
Jun 09 09:03:24 <eFfeM> when I compile it the stuff from ixp400_xscale_sw/src/qmgr does not get compiled in
Jun 09 09:04:40 <hrw> even does not try to build it?
Jun 09 09:06:06 <nemu_1> hrw : pastebin check plz 
Jun 09 09:06:30 <nemu_1> hrw : i found 2 broken link !
Jun 09 09:06:47 <hrw> nemu_1: url
Jun 09 09:06:54 <eFfeM> hrw was this " even does not try to build it?" to me?
Jun 09 09:07:00 <nemu_1> gtk-webcore/osb-nrcit_0.5.0.bb
Jun 09 09:07:15 <nemu_1> my mistake... wait
Jun 09 09:07:24 <eFfeM> the package gets build but that dir does not get compiled so ixp400_eth complains about unresolved symbols
Jun 09 09:07:29 <nemu_1> hrw : NOTE: fetch http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/mirror/www.openzaurus.org/official/unstable/3.5.4/sources/NRCit_cvs.sourceforge.net__20050430.tar.gz
Jun 09 09:07:39 <nemu_1> NOTE: fetch http://www.oesources.org/source/current/NRCit_cvs.sourceforge.net__20050430.tar.gz
Jun 09 09:07:43 <nemu_1> NOTE: Fetch cvs://anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net/cvsroot/gtk-webcore;module=NRCit;date=20050430
Jun 09 09:07:47 <nemu_1> 404 not found :)
Jun 09 09:08:13 <nemu_1> the next package :-) gnutls 
Jun 09 09:08:41 <nemu_1> NOTE: Task failed: Fetch failed: ftp://ftp.gnutls.org/pub/gnutls/gnutls-1.0.25.tar.gz
Jun 09 09:09:07 <hrw> nemu_1: gtk-webcore has license 'nokia' which is not in list o distributable ones - have to check it first
Jun 09 09:09:30 <nemu_1> hrw : dinner time :) ttyl ... oz354x 
Jun 09 09:09:47 <nemu_1> distro = openzaurus-3.5.4.1 machine = tosa
Jun 09 09:10:03 <hrw> nemu_1: ftp.gnutls.org is down
Jun 09 09:10:11 <nemu_1> hrw : i execute "bitbake gpe-image" :)
Jun 09 09:10:21 <ade|desk> sounds about normal for gnutls
Jun 09 09:11:38 <hrw> hmm.. time to go down to shop for bread and make breakfast
Jun 09 09:13:26 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r37cdbaad... 10/packages/qte/ (12 files in 2 dirs): dropped qt/e 4.x snapshot
Jun 09 09:13:32 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * ra0b7d859... 10/packages/qte/qte_2.3.10.bb: qte: create package with development headers
Jun 09 09:13:36 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rb34d1992... 10/packages/libqpe/ (libqpe-opie.inc libqpe-opie_1.2.1.bb): libqpe: create package with development headers
Jun 09 09:13:41 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r4804b00b... 10/packages/libopie/ (libopie2.inc libopie2_1.2.1.bb): libopie: create package with development headers
Jun 09 09:13:46 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r2af9f2e9... 10/packages/qte/qte_2.3.10.bb: qte: only library need to be MACHINE_ARCH
Jun 09 09:38:34 <nemu_dinner> hrw : so, i change bb file's URI about gnutls & osb-nrcit. then, bitbake process work well. 
Jun 09 10:06:30 <nemu> does anybody know what is the (debian) package for the function "SSL_free, SSL_want, SSL_pending" ?
Jun 09 10:06:59 <chris144> good morning
Jun 09 10:07:34 <lrg> morning all
Jun 09 10:07:50 <nemu> i have a libsylph building problem. 
Jun 09 10:08:23 <hrw> hi liam, chris144 
Jun 09 10:08:53 <nemu> i think that is ssl library problem.
Jun 09 10:09:20 <lrg> zecke: the EABI alsa bug is a compiler issue. http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=27363
Jun 09 10:37:38 <nemu> hrw : i already install libssl-dev, libssl0.9.7 and libssl0.9.8. but i got the following error message from sylpheed-2.2.4. ssl.c: undefined reference to `SSL_free'
Jun 09 10:38:05 <nemu> hrw : do u know what's the problem ? 
Jun 09 10:40:35 <hrw> nemu:  sylpheed 2.2.4 should use gnutls only iirc
Jun 09 10:40:41 <hrw> XorA: right?
Jun 09 10:44:28 <nemu> hrw : i don't know well. 
Jun 09 10:44:28 <hrw> XorA: ping
Jun 09 10:44:36 <nemu> hrw 
Jun 09 10:44:58 <hrw> nemu: XorA is sylpheed maintainer
Jun 09 10:45:13 <nemu> hrw : wow 
Jun 09 10:46:01 <nemu> hrw : i solve the problem about gnutls and osd-nrcit. 
Jun 09 10:46:22 <nemu> hrw : i think that is the function about openssl. 
Jun 09 10:47:22 <XorA> hrw: nemu it should
Jun 09 10:47:59 <nemu> XorA : install gnutls on my host machine  ?
Jun 09 10:48:11 <XorA> this a .dev or branch build?
Jun 09 10:48:14 <ade|desk> no host includes should be used ever
Jun 09 10:48:27 <nemu> XorA : oz354x
Jun 09 10:48:59 <nemu> XorA : openzaurus-3.5.4.1 , tosa 
Jun 09 10:49:00 <hrw> XorA: --disable-ssl is needed
Jun 09 10:49:29 <XorA> hrw: no, that disables gnutls
Jun 09 10:49:42 <hrw> XorA: --enable-gnutls --disable-ssl
Jun 09 10:49:50 <hrw>   --disable-ssl           Disable SSL support using OpenSSL
Jun 09 10:49:50 <hrw>   --enable-gnutls         Enable SSL support using GnuTLS default=no
Jun 09 10:50:04 <hrw>  Depends: sylpheed-locale*, gtk+ (>= 2.6.10), libxrandr2 (>= 1.0.2), libxext6 (>= 0.0cvs20060102), libxcursor1 (>= 1.1.2), libxfixes0 (>= 2.0.1), libatk-1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), pango (>= 1.8.1), libxft2 (>= 2.1.6), libxrender1 (>= 0.8.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.95), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.10), libexpat0 (>= 1.95.7), libx11-6 (>= 6.2.1), libxau0 (>= 0.1.1), libc6 (>= 2.3.5+cvs20050627), libglib-2.0-0 (>= 2.6.4), gpgme (>= 1.0.3), libgnutls-openssl11 (>= 1.0.25), li
Jun 09 10:50:47 <hrw> XorA: can you test it on your machine?
Jun 09 10:51:25 <nemu> hrw : i already update metadata. but i got above message. :) is this my mistake or a some oe problem ? 
Jun 09 10:51:27 <XorA> hrw: building right now
Jun 09 10:51:46 <XorA> hrw: that set of depends looks right though]
Jun 09 10:52:02 <hrw> XorA: look at this:
Jun 09 10:52:05 <hrw>  Depends: sylpheed-locale*, gtk+ (>= 2.6.10), libxrandr2 (>= 1.0.2), libxext6 (>= 0.0cvs20060102), libxcursor1 (>= 1.1.2), libxfixes0 (>= 2.0.1), libatk-1.0-0 (>= 1.9.0), pango (>= 1.8.1), libxft2 (>= 2.1.6), libxrender1 (>= 0.8.4), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.2.95), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.10), libexpat0 (>= 1.95.7), libx11-6 (>= 6.2.1), libxau0 (>= 0.1.1), libc6 (>= 2.3.5+cvs20050627), libglib-2.0-0 (>= 2.6.4), gpgme (>= 1.0.3), libssl0.9.7 (>= 0.9.7e), libcrypto0
Jun 09 10:52:18 <hrw> its --enable-gnutls (without --disable-ssl)
Jun 09 10:52:53 <XorA> hrw: I think --disable-openssl is missing
Jun 09 10:53:11 <hrw> XorA: --disable-ssl not --disable-openssl (checked in configure)
Jun 09 10:54:03 <XorA> hrw: I never wrote the patch, but it changes the meaning of --disable-ssl
Jun 09 10:54:07 <XorA> hrw: check the patch
Jun 09 10:55:20 <hrw>  echo "OpenSSL       : $ac_cv_enable_ssl"
Jun 09 10:55:50 <XorA> hrw: crapit, if you do --disable-ssl you will get zero ssl support
Jun 09 10:56:07 <XorA> hrw: if it detects openssl it puts that at higher priority then gnutls
Jun 09 10:56:22 <XorA> hrw: the patch needs to learn to be able to disable OPENSSL
Jun 09 10:56:40 <zecke> re
Jun 09 10:56:40 <hrw> XorA: patch change "disable-ssl" from "no ssl at all" into "no openssl for ssl" + "enable-gnutls" as "use gnutls for ssl"
Jun 09 10:56:44 <hrw> hi zecke 
Jun 09 10:57:07 <XorA> hrw: give me a chance, m4 is not my strong point
Jun 09 10:57:43 <hrw> XorA: so with patch we have: enable-gnutls == use Gnutls for SSL + disable-ssl == do not use Openssl for SSL. if both not available then do not use SSL at all
Jun 09 10:57:45 <zecke> OT: is jabber.org working for you?
Jun 09 10:57:46 <hrw> XorA: ok
Jun 09 10:58:02 <hrw> zecke: starting kopete...
Jun 09 10:58:26 <hrw> zecke: flashing ;( no jabber.org then
Jun 09 10:58:28 <XorA> hrw: Im pretty sure all ssl in code is insdide #if SSL which --enable-ssl defines
Jun 09 10:58:57 <hrw> XorA: if gnutls then ssl=1 gnutls=1
Jun 09 10:59:08 <hrw> XorA: if openssl then ssl=1 openssl=1
Jun 09 10:59:20 <hrw>  #if USE_SSL
Jun 09 10:59:20 <hrw>  #include <glib.h>
Jun 09 10:59:20 <hrw> +#if USE_OPENSSL
Jun 09 10:59:24 <XorA> hrw: hrm, but if openssl check fails does it UNDEF the SSL?
Jun 09 10:59:39 <hrw> XorA: not if enable-gnutls is used and present
Jun 09 10:59:59 <XorA> hrw: ok, well someone changed glibc so its going to take me a while to get that far in build
Jun 09 11:00:26 <hrw> ok
Jun 09 11:00:35 <hrw> XorA: bbrebuild ;)
Jun 09 11:00:45 <XorA> and I still got glib changes to check in, hopefully it be quite this afternoon
Jun 09 11:04:00 <hrw> http://wiki.openzaurus.org/FAQ#General_questions - can someone look at 'soft-float' question/answer?
Jun 09 11:05:02 <chris144> good morning
Jun 09 11:06:14 <chris144> folks, I have the suspicion that my irc client crashes whenever somebody talks to me, can somebody please say something to me? thanks
Jun 09 11:06:20 <NAbyss> Yesy
Jun 09 11:06:23 <NAbyss> Er, test
Jun 09 11:06:27 <hrw> chris144: really?
Jun 09 11:06:31 <pb__> heh
Jun 09 11:06:41 <NAbyss> Well, that was a success
Jun 09 11:07:08 <hrw> looks like it really crash..
Jun 09 11:07:29 <chris144> yes, it does, just crashed, seems to crash only then if somebody includes my nick. what a mess...
Jun 09 11:07:36 <XorA> hrw: should say something like on "hard-float" distros floting point instuctions cause exceptions which the kernel catches and services using its floating point emulation. On soft-float floating point instructions are not put into execurtable and instead the calculations are inlined. Saving the extra call to the kernel and thus giving better performance
Jun 09 11:07:51 <XorA> hrw: of course that in English would help
Jun 09 11:08:00 * chris144 looks at kvircs configuration...
Jun 09 11:08:10 <hrw> XorA: you are from UK not me ;)
Jun 09 11:08:26 <hrw> XorA: anyway - please edit faq and add better info
Jun 09 11:08:32 <XorA> hrw: but my written english is appalling
Jun 09 11:08:55 <XorA> hrw: our education system sucks :-D
Jun 09 11:10:08 <nemu> hrw, XorA : does it have library collision ? 
Jun 09 11:10:15 <hrw> XorA: do you know when last time I had 'good' teacher of english? you do not want to talk with me ;D
Jun 09 11:10:20 <hrw> nemu: should not have
Jun 09 11:10:38 <NAbyss> Hm, is anyone having trouble building busybox ATM?
Jun 09 11:10:41 <XorA> nemu: yes, try the --disable-ssl hrw posted
Jun 09 11:10:55 <XorA> nemu: I shall fix .bb when I get far enough into the build
Jun 09 11:11:09 <hrw> NAbyss: will check
Jun 09 11:11:15 <nemu> XorA : ok :) i have no need ssl support now ! thx  
Jun 09 11:11:46 <NAbyss> hrw: Having issues compiling bunzip2.c.. error: 'sysctl_main' undeclared here
Jun 09 11:12:05 <hrw> NOTE: package busybox-1.00-r33: task do_build: completed
Jun 09 11:12:50 <hrw> ok. time to watch overdue movies...
Jun 09 11:12:56 <NAbyss> hrw: Hm, thanks.. shall change the preferred version then, and see if it builds.. I'm trying 1.01-r12
Jun 09 11:13:01 <hrw> hrw@home:~$ mplayer Desktop/Filmiki/fosdem2006-liam-girdwood-alsa-soc.ogg -vf pp
Jun 09 11:13:03 <nemu> XorA : EXTRA_OECONF = "--enable-gnutls --disable-ssl"  right ?
Jun 09 11:13:14 <hrw> nemu: yes
Jun 09 11:14:28 <nemu> hrw, XorA : is that problem already posted on faq ? 
Jun 09 11:15:00 <hrw|tv> nemu: sylpheed? you are first who got it and that OECONF change should resolve it
Jun 09 11:15:30 <hrw|tv> nemu: when xora build finish, he will check and there will be no problem probably
Jun 09 11:15:41 <hrw|tv> btw - fosdem videos suxx
Jun 09 11:16:17 <nemu> hrw|tv : okie :)
Jun 09 11:16:39 <christest> hi chris144
Jun 09 11:16:40 <Gerrath> when I use vi (busybox) and open a file the file is blank even though if I cat the file there is information there. 
Jun 09 11:17:35 <hrw|tv> NAbyss: NOTE: package busybox-1.01-r0: task do_build: completed
Jun 09 11:17:35 <christest> chris144: seems to work ok.
Jun 09 11:17:43 <NAbyss> hrw|tv: Hm, thanks
Jun 09 11:17:48 <hrw|tv> NAbyss: but both with .oz354x not .dev
Jun 09 11:17:56 <NAbyss> hrw|tv: Ah, okies
Jun 09 11:18:27 * XorA needs faster machine
Jun 09 11:18:30 <hrw|tv> NAbyss: I'll do build on other machine where I have .dev build
Jun 09 11:18:43 <hrw|tv> XorA: show me someone who dont...
Jun 09 11:19:33 <NAbyss> hrw|tv: I think I just found the prob.. had the wrong MACHINE in local.conf
Jun 09 11:20:06 <hrw|tv> :)
Jun 09 11:20:20 * NAbyss sneaks off for caffeine..
Jun 09 11:21:36 <hrw|tv> NAbyss: .dev: NOTE: package busybox-1.01-r12: task do_build: completed
Jun 09 11:22:01 <NAbyss> hrw|tv: Hmm, failed on mine again.. rm -rf tmp/ required methinks
Jun 09 11:22:11 <NAbyss> hrw|tv: Anyways, thankye
Jun 09 11:23:25 <XorA> hrw|tv: check soft-float question now
Jun 09 11:26:35 <hrw|tv> XorA: nice version
Jun 09 11:26:51 <hrw|tv> XorA: I added that question to not write it again on oesf forum 
Jun 09 11:28:46 <nemu> hrw/XorA : thx. i finish it. 
Jun 09 11:29:16 <XorA> hrw|tv: nemu wierdly I have actually built and run a sylpheed that had both gnutls and openssl linked in before
Jun 09 11:30:24 <hrw|tv> XorA: --enable-gnutls one?
Jun 09 11:30:41 <nemu> XorA : but i don't know why it gives error to me. 
Jun 09 11:31:07 <nemu> XorA : i just check the c compiler complain to me.
Jun 09 11:31:13 <XorA> nemu: Well it was when I was porting the patch and didnt quite have stuff working
Jun 09 11:32:22 <nemu> XorA : At any rate, i finished "bitbake gpe-image". :) thx
Jun 09 11:32:44 <XorA> hrw|tv: feel free to put --disable-ssl in branch, builds here, I have confused myself down the line somewhere, lucky you here to give me the odd bash over head
Jun 09 11:33:57 <nemu> hrw/XorA : i found some broken link and i cannot found file. Path is no problem. but, i cannot found some file. 
Jun 09 11:34:13 <hrw|tv> XorA: pushing...
Jun 09 11:34:27 <hrw|tv> XorA: push it to .dev too?
Jun 09 11:34:34 <XorA> hrw|tv: I just doing that
Jun 09 11:34:41 <hrw|tv> ok
Jun 09 11:34:59 <hrw|tv> XorA: how goes sylpheed-claws?
Jun 09 11:35:16 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r2956f90e... 10/packages/sylpheed/sylpheed_2.2.4.bb: sylpheed: disable OpenSSL
Jun 09 11:35:48 <XorA> hrw|tv: it works
Jun 09 11:36:04 <XorA> hrw|tv: plugins I enabled so far work
Jun 09 11:36:05 <hrw|tv> XorA: sylpheed-claws-plugin-maildir-0.22_2.2.0.bb has DEPENDS_append = " db" - should not it be virtual/db?
Jun 09 11:36:32 <XorA> hrw|tv: I thought virtual/db died
Jun 09 11:36:34 <hrw|tv> we have db3 and db now and they can be choose(d|n)
Jun 09 11:36:42 <XorA> hrw|tv: my mistake if it hasnt
Jun 09 11:36:58 <hrw|tv> ah - maybe in .dev they died. dont know 
Jun 09 11:37:11 <nemu> hrw|tv/XorA : gnutls URI link was broken. was it only ftp server down.
Jun 09 11:37:24 <XorA> hrw|tv: no, doesnt seem to have, I shall fix
Jun 09 11:37:36 <hrw|tv> nemu: gnutls server is down. 1.0.25 should be fetchable
Jun 09 11:37:47 <hrw|tv> when it will go up
Jun 09 11:38:12 <nemu> hrw|tv : i use the ftp://ftp.gnupg.org/gcrypt/gnutls/gnutls-1.0.25.tar.gz
Jun 09 11:38:44 <hrw|tv> nemu: ok
Jun 09 11:40:11 <nemu> hrw|tv : but bb file has a ftp://ftp.gnutls.org/pub/gnutls/gnutls-1.0.25.tar.gz
Jun 09 11:41:16 <hrw|tv> I know
Jun 09 11:41:35 <nemu> hrw|tv : different package source ?
Jun 09 11:41:48 <nemu> hrw|tv : or same source ?
Jun 09 11:42:32 <hrw|tv> its same source
Jun 09 11:43:40 <nemu> hrw|tv/XorA : thank you for ur help. :-) my work finished. 
Jun 09 11:43:49 <CIA-9> 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r482d0ac7... 10/packages/sylpheed/ (sylpheed_2.2.4.bb sylpheed_2.2.5.bb): 
Jun 09 11:43:49 <CIA-9> sylpheed_2.2.4.bb, sylpheed_2.2.5.bb : add --disable-ssl to stop accidently
Jun 09 11:43:49 <CIA-9> including openssl and gnutls into same build.
Jun 09 11:46:02 <hrw|tv> nemu: I added some mirrors into gnutls
Jun 09 11:46:25 <nemu> hrw|tv : ok :) metadata update ?
Jun 09 11:46:29 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r72ebb390... 10/packages/gnutls/gnutls_1.0.25.bb: gnutls: added some mirrors
Jun 09 11:47:30 <hrw|tv> yep
Jun 09 12:06:32 <XorA> hrw|tv: maildir plugin needs db4
Jun 09 12:06:53 <hrw|tv> ok
Jun 09 12:30:59 <lardman|work> morning
Jun 09 12:31:14 <hrw|tv> hi lardman
Jun 09 12:31:46 <lardman|work> tv! I take it it's not as sunny over there as it is here then?
Jun 09 12:33:55 <hrw> lardman|work: I'm officially sick so have to stay at home
Jun 09 12:45:29 <lardman|work> hrw|: Sorry to hear that :(
Jun 09 12:46:14 <hrw> lardman|work: I'm getting better
Jun 09 12:46:17 <hrw> cbrake: hi
Jun 09 12:47:19 <lardman|work> hrw: Good good :)
Jun 09 12:55:31 <zecke> woglinde: hey
Jun 09 12:55:50 <woglinde> he zecke
Jun 09 12:56:17 <hrw> hi woglinde 
Jun 09 12:57:42 <woglinde> he hrw
Jun 09 12:57:47 <woglinde> must go shopping
Jun 09 12:57:56 <woglinde> or my wife will be angry
Jun 09 12:57:58 <woglinde> with me
Jun 09 12:58:14 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * rf95d2370... 10/packages/ipkg/ (ipkg-collateral/akita/lists ipkg-collateral.bb): ipkg-collateral: use /var/lib/ for ipkg lists - close opie #1785
Jun 09 12:59:45 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * ra6a39faf... 10/packages/qpf-fonts/qpf-unifont_1.0.bb: dropped qpf-unifont - same fonts are already in qte-fonts - close #1070
Jun 09 13:20:47 <CIA-9> 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r403a8423... 10/packages/ixp4xx/ (ixp4xx-csr-2.1/livelock.patch ixp4xx-csr_2.1.bb): 
Jun 09 13:20:47 <CIA-9> ixp4xx-csr: added patch to make paremeter livelock_dispatcher non-static
Jun 09 13:20:47 <CIA-9>  needed to compile with gcc 4.1.1; without it one gets
Jun 09 13:20:47 <CIA-9>  ixp400: falsely claims to have parameter livelock_dispatcher
Jun 09 13:20:48 <CIA-9>  and the module does not load...
Jun 09 13:22:08 <CIA-9> 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * rdf1198a3... 10/packages/ixp425-eth/ (ixp400-eth-1.5/params.patch ixp400-eth_1.5.bb): 
Jun 09 13:22:08 <CIA-9> ixp425-eth: when compiled with gcc 4.1.1 module parameters cannot have static
Jun 09 13:22:08 <CIA-9>  added a patch to remove the static declarator
Jun 09 13:22:08 <CIA-9>  (without this you get ixp400_eth falsely claims to have parameter ... errors)
Jun 09 14:01:11 <CIA-9> 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r9ad05a35... 10/packages/glib-2.0/ (19 files): 
Jun 09 14:01:11 <CIA-9> packages/glib-2.0/glib-2.0*.bb : add a patch to change configure to call
Jun 09 14:01:11 <CIA-9> $host_alias-libtool as this is what is generated. This means that gmodule-2.0.pc
Jun 09 14:01:11 <CIA-9> gets populated with the correct flags.
Jun 09 14:01:11 <CIA-9> Found this while tracking down why abiword-plugins didnt work. So at least
Jun 09 14:01:12 <CIA-9> abiword needs to be rebuilt. Maybe other gmodule using apps that were
Jun 09 14:01:16 <CIA-9> malfunctioning as well.
Jun 09 14:04:07 <CIA-9> 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r847bad5c... 10/packages/glib-2.0/files/configure-libtool.patch: packages/glib-2.0/files/configure-libtool.patch : rember the patch
Jun 09 14:06:09 <hrw> XorA: rember?
Jun 09 14:16:11 <zecke> lrg: gcc badnes with alsa, that is tough
Jun 09 14:16:18 <XorA> hrw: short for remember :-)
Jun 09 14:17:08 <hrw> ah
Jun 09 14:17:23 <eFfeM> kergoth: ping
Jun 09 14:17:43 <lrg> zecke: at least it's fixable (and it's reprted) :)
Jun 09 14:17:48 <lrg> reported
Jun 09 14:19:12 <zecke> lrg: and fixed :}
Jun 09 14:24:46 <lrg> anyone going to GUADEC ?
Jun 09 14:24:50 <eFfeM> i have a problem with the zlib package. It builds the .so file, but it does not get installed (it is not in the install dir, only the .a file is there)
Jun 09 14:27:59 <XorA> hrw: you can give oz 3.5.4.1 working abiword plugins now
Jun 09 14:29:45 <hrw> XorA: I need to rebuild glib, gtk etc?
Jun 09 14:29:47 <hrw> hi mickeyl 
Jun 09 14:29:49 <mickeyl> heya
Jun 09 14:29:53 <eFfeM> morning mickeyl
Jun 09 14:30:00 <hrw> I have final fix for hostap<>orinoco
Jun 09 14:30:16 <XorA> hrw: just glib and abiword should do it
Jun 09 14:30:43 <mickeyl> ~praise hrw. how?
Jun 09 14:30:45 <ibot> All hail hrw. how!
Jun 09 14:30:50 <mickeyl> heh
Jun 09 14:31:14 <hrw> mickeyl:/etc/modutils/hostap_cs.conf
Jun 09 14:31:17 <mickeyl> hrw: good job with the -dev stuff. can you apply the -dev packages fix also in .dev please?
Jun 09 14:31:44 <hrw> mickeyl: many changes in .dev when compared to .oz354x - prefer to leave it for you
Jun 09 14:31:54 <mickeyl> fair enough
Jun 09 14:31:59 <mickeyl> hmm btw.
Jun 09 14:32:01 * mickeyl eyes zecke
Jun 09 14:32:07 <mickeyl> opie upgrade after your exam?
Jun 09 14:32:38 <zecke> mickeyl: upgrade to what?
Jun 09 14:32:40 <zecke> mickeyl: breadbox?
Jun 09 14:32:45 <mickeyl> 1.2.1 -> 1.2.2
Jun 09 14:32:49 <mickeyl> 1.2.1+cvs -> 1.2.2+cvs
Jun 09 14:32:55 <mickeyl> alternatively
Jun 09 14:32:57 <zecke> ah yeah
Jun 09 14:32:57 <mickeyl> upgrade to qtopia4 
Jun 09 14:32:58 <mickeyl> *cough*
Jun 09 14:33:07 <zecke> you should have my script
Jun 09 14:33:09 <hrw> mickeyl: cvs version is easy - OPIE_CVS_VERSION exist iirc
Jun 09 14:33:27 <mickeyl> zecke: for safety, can you send it again? 
Jun 09 14:33:34 <mickeyl> hrw: k
Jun 09 14:33:39 <zecke> mickeyl: for safety, I need to find it first
Jun 09 14:33:46 <mickeyl> hehe
Jun 09 14:34:15 <zecke> hrw: mickeyl : are you excited already?
Jun 09 14:34:24 <zecke> We will lose against Costa Rica and Poland
Jun 09 14:34:25 <mickeyl> yes!
Jun 09 14:34:27 <mickeyl> no!
Jun 09 14:34:36 <zecke> but France will get his super cow powers
Jun 09 14:34:45 <zecke> and digs up a FiFa rule to make us go to the finals
Jun 09 14:34:46 <mickeyl> this aptitude has no super cow powers
Jun 09 14:34:52 <pb__> hi mickeyl
Jun 09 14:34:56 <mickeyl> hey pb_
Jun 09 14:35:03 <zecke> mickeyl: right, but an easter egg
Jun 09 14:35:05 <hrw> mickeyl: tosa/poodle arrived at themistermind home
Jun 09 14:35:11 <hrw> zecke: mundial?
Jun 09 14:35:20 <mickeyl> hrw: ok, lets hope he'll send if forward to ya :)
Jun 09 14:36:36 <mickeyl> s/if/it/
Jun 09 14:39:27 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r875cd325... 10/packages/hostap/ (files/hostap_cs.modalias hostap-conf_1.0.bb): hostap-conf: ship module aliases for Prism2 cards supported by orinoco to get only hostap loaded
Jun 09 14:39:32 <CIA-9> 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9fc1b319... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files in 2 dirs): linux-ezx: add logo from openezx contest
Jun 09 14:39:37 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * rc548c645... 10/packages/hostap/ (files/hostap_cs.modalias hostap-conf_1.0.bb): hostap-conf: ship module aliases for Prism2 cards supported by orinoco to get only hostap loaded
Jun 09 14:45:31 <hrw> which country code is for Sweden?
Jun 09 14:45:57 <chouimat> morning
Jun 09 14:46:36 <hrw> found. se
Jun 09 14:52:36 <CIA-9> 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9caf4ba5... 10/packages/linux/linux-ezx/logo_linux_clut224.ppm: linux-ezx: actually add the logo
Jun 09 15:02:37 <hrw> have to recheck r5 hostap-conf...
Jun 09 15:05:47 <mickeyl> any idea what could make a kernel logo not being display ?
Jun 09 15:05:51 <mickeyl> too large?
Jun 09 15:05:55 <hrw> my dlink dcf660w roxx
Jun 09 15:05:57 <mickeyl> number of colors is correct
Jun 09 15:06:00 <hrw> mickeyl: console rotated?
Jun 09 15:06:07 <mickeyl> no, console is 0
Jun 09 15:06:11 <mickeyl> rot0
Jun 09 15:06:33 <hrw> maybe too large.
Jun 09 15:06:37 <hrw> bbl
Jun 09 15:06:38 <mickeyl> hmm
Jun 09 15:06:40 <mickeyl> it is full screen
Jun 09 15:06:43 * mickeyl tries smaller one
Jun 09 15:21:53 <lardman|away> have a nice weekend everyone
Jun 09 15:30:18 <woglinde> hm someone here with kernel driver expierence?
Jun 09 15:30:34 <woglinde> whats drvier->bind for?
Jun 09 15:33:41 <hrw> german people: how much does german customs take on packages from US?
Jun 09 15:35:04 <woglinde> hrw write gift on it
Jun 09 15:35:09 <woglinde> then no toll
Jun 09 15:35:26 <hrw> woglinde: even when value is >100EUR on pacakge?
Jun 09 15:35:50 <woglinde> hrw gift is gift
Jun 09 15:35:56 <woglinde> ask mickeyl
Jun 09 15:37:13 <woglinde> hrw but if you shop at amazon us they are not writing gift on it :(
Jun 09 15:38:16 <pb__> hrw: it will depend what's in the package.  generally, for imports into the EU they will charge you VAT (16% in germany, I think) and, in some cases, a variable rate of duty on top of that.
Jun 09 15:38:34 <XorA> woglinde: You enter GIFT as a line in your address
Jun 09 15:38:35 <hrw> pb__: 22% in Poland. package is two Zaurii..
Jun 09 15:38:43 <XorA> woglinde: at least in the UK
Jun 09 15:39:08 <hrw> I'm reading regulations and they are scary... 22% on everything >45EUR..
Jun 09 15:39:46 <france_> hrw: I will leave the moral issues, upto u, buy many send things "for repair"
Jun 09 15:40:20 <pb__> I don't think writing "gift" on it actually helps much, if at all.  There's certainly no official exemption for gifts.
Jun 09 15:40:24 <XorA> we have a lot of problems here where 10,000 GBP test systems come back for repair and customs doesnt beleive it
Jun 09 15:40:54 <XorA> pb__: gift in uk used to double the limit before being charged uk, did they withdraw that :-(
Jun 09 15:41:02 <pb__> yeah, the "repair" thing only works for high value goods if you can show them the original shipping documents from when the package left the county
Jun 09 15:42:04 <woglinde> soccer
Jun 09 15:42:05 <woglinde> lol
Jun 09 15:42:10 <pb__> that said, customs do seem to just "forget" to charge duty from time to time, apparently just at random
Jun 09 15:42:52 <pb__> I suspect it depends on whether they can be bothered to look the goods up in the tariff book or not.
Jun 09 15:43:23 <pb__> XorA: I don't think that works anymore.  might be wrong though.
Jun 09 15:43:48 <XorA> pb__: I think you are right, I cant find it in google anymore
Jun 09 15:44:56 <XorA> pb__: found it http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsPortalWebApp/channelsPortalWebApp.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=pageImport_FAQs&propertyType=document&columns=1&id=HMCE_PROD_008654#P36_4692
Jun 09 15:45:08 <XorA> pb__: 18 pounds if not a gift, 36 pounds if it is a gift
Jun 09 15:45:38 <pb__> oh right, cool
Jun 09 15:45:52 <XorA> god thats a long URL
Jun 09 15:46:03 <pb__> heh
Jun 09 15:46:05 <woglinde> lol
Jun 09 15:46:21 <woglinde> soccer champion ship is open
Jun 09 15:46:27 <hrw> ~change 26 gbp to eur
Jun 09 15:46:33 <ibot> 26.00 Pound (GBP) makes 37.8976 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/)
Jun 09 15:46:33 <hrw> ~change 36 gbp to eur
Jun 09 15:46:37 <ibot> 36.00 Pound (GBP) makes 52.4832 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/)
Jun 09 15:47:11 <TheMasterMind1> ~change 52 eur to usd
Jun 09 15:47:16 <ibot> 52.00 Euro (EUR) makes 65.7196 United States Dollar (USD) (from http://www.xe.com/)
Jun 09 15:47:34 <XorA|gone> time for me to catch trains
Jun 09 15:47:55 <pb__> have fun
Jun 09 15:48:05 <pb__> hail zecke
Jun 09 15:48:08 <woglinde> he zecke
Jun 09 15:48:20 <zecke> re
Jun 09 15:48:42 <eFfeM> hi zecke
Jun 09 15:50:02 <AvengerMoJo> world cup is on 
Jun 09 15:50:14 <woglinde> avenger I already told
Jun 09 15:50:19 <AvengerMoJo> oh :)
Jun 09 15:50:24 <AvengerMoJo> hehe 
Jun 09 15:51:16 <zecke> lol
Jun 09 15:51:18 <zecke> cheaters
Jun 09 15:51:47 <AvengerMoJo> wow
Jun 09 15:52:05 <AvengerMoJo> 1:0 already the game is quick 
Jun 09 15:52:16 <zecke> my cats decided to run into the house/flat
Jun 09 15:53:37 <Crofton> ~change 1usd to eur
Jun 09 15:53:39 <ibot> that doesn't look right
Jun 09 15:53:42 <Crofton> ~change 1 usd to eur
Jun 09 15:53:46 <ibot> 1.00 United States Dollar (USD) makes 0.791106 Euro (EUR) (from http://www.xe.com/)
Jun 09 15:53:56 <zecke> RP: congratulate (maemo 2.0 beta)
Jun 09 15:54:04 <Crofton> ~change 1 eur to usd
Jun 09 15:54:09 <ibot> 1.00 Euro (EUR) makes 1.26405 United States Dollar (USD) (from http://www.xe.com/)
Jun 09 15:54:36 <RP> zecke: Its good to see its finally gone public :)
Jun 09 15:56:01 <zecke> RP: more than the press release?
Jun 09 15:56:12 <zecke> back to football :}
Jun 09 15:56:20 <Crofton> soccer :)
Jun 09 15:56:25 <woglinde> zecke soccer
Jun 09 15:56:31 <zecke> lol
Jun 09 15:56:55 <zecke> as i chatted with rp i decided to use football
Jun 09 15:57:02 <woglinde> football is in usa and australia
Jun 09 15:57:03 <zecke> so he is able to understand me
Jun 09 15:57:16 <RP> I understand both ;-)
Jun 09 15:57:18 <zecke> my natural preference is soccer 
Jun 09 15:57:23 <zecke> ah good :)
Jun 09 15:57:46 <woglinde> lol
Jun 09 15:57:49 <zecke> hehe
Jun 09 15:57:51 <woglinde> costa rica
Jun 09 15:58:53 <RP> I'd probably use football but either is ok...
Jun 09 16:11:12 <hrw> woglinde: football is in Europe
Jun 09 16:11:22 <hrw> woglinde: soccer is for US...
Jun 09 16:11:22 <woglinde> hrw no soccer
Jun 09 16:11:28 <woglinde> hrw *g*
Jun 09 16:11:44 <woglinde> hrw okay okay
Jun 09 16:12:22 <hrw> ;D
Jun 09 16:12:54 <NAbyss> hrw: And .au
Jun 09 16:13:17 <hrw> NAbyss: good to know
Jun 09 17:25:13 <ade|desk> i never did understand american football, they hardly have feet in contact with the ball
Jun 09 17:26:22 <ggilbert_> well they do kick it on occaision
Jun 09 17:27:17 <woglinde> ade hm they have some special rules
Jun 09 17:27:25 <woglinde> but it isnt so complicated
Jun 09 17:27:36 <ade|desk> happens more in basketball by mistake than in american football if you ask me
Jun 09 17:31:08 <ade|desk> anyway hometime
Jun 09 17:31:12 <ade|desk> cya folks
Jun 09 17:31:17 <woglinde> gooal
Jun 09 17:31:18 <woglinde> ups
Jun 09 17:31:41 <CosmicPenguin> ups scored a goal?
Jun 09 17:31:44 <CosmicPenguin> good for them
Jun 09 17:32:01 <woglinde> lol
Jun 09 17:32:44 * CosmicPenguin looks on the web
Jun 09 17:49:17 <Ifaistos> Greetings !
Jun 09 17:54:10 <woglinde> hi ifaistos
Jun 09 17:54:43 <woglinde> hm greece isnt in the world cup
Jun 09 17:59:08 <hrw|tv> woglinde: this year Poland will kick Germans asses
Jun 09 18:00:22 <woglinde> hrw hm some one told me poland isnt in shape
Jun 09 18:00:57 <woglinde> hrw but we will see in 45 minutes
Jun 09 18:01:39 <hrw|tv> woglinde: I've heard that Polish and English supporters will eat German supporters and police :D
Jun 09 18:03:14 <woglinde> hrw yes that I read too
Jun 09 18:03:35 <woglinde> but thats hopefully somewhere in the woods
Jun 09 18:04:22 <hrw|tv> woglinde: in woods they were training rather...
Jun 09 18:04:50 <zecke> hrw|tv: Poland? What is at?
Jun 09 18:05:29 <hrw|tv> zecke: supporters fights?
Jun 09 18:06:18 <hrw|tv> movie started bbl...
Jun 09 18:09:06 <woglinde> hi gremlin
Jun 09 18:12:55 <woglinde> hi gints
Jun 09 18:31:50 <woglinde> hi minipanda
Jun 09 18:47:46 <theturtle> i have compiled plenty of ipkgs and scp-ed them to my ipaq. how can i tell ipkg to search for .ipk in a directory ?
Jun 09 18:48:10 <theturtle> like ipkg install kisment --search-dependencies-in .
Jun 09 18:48:56 <woglinde> ???
Jun 09 18:49:08 <woglinde> ipkg install blafo.ikg
Jun 09 18:49:15 <woglinde> and you are done
Jun 09 18:49:54 <woglinde> or ipkg install 1.ipk 1dependon.ipk
Jun 09 18:50:44 <theturtle> but if it requires a lot of dependencies
Jun 09 18:50:55 <theturtle> if i bitbake kismet it tells 
Jun 09 18:51:04 <theturtle> need libstdc++ >= v6, etc
Jun 09 18:51:13 <theturtle> which package is in current directory
Jun 09 18:51:23 <theturtle> but it doesn't install them automagically
Jun 09 18:52:32 <woglinde> yes than scp libstdc++ also to the device
Jun 09 18:52:52 <woglinde> and than run ipkg install blafoo.ipk libstdc++.ipk
Jun 09 18:53:21 <theturtle> i've already scp it
Jun 09 18:53:41 <theturtle> but is there a way so ipkg finds .ipk dependencies on its own ?
Jun 09 18:53:58 <woglinde> only with remote sides like apt-get
Jun 09 18:54:03 <theturtle> if i have 100 dependencies, i don't want to manually ipkg install dep01.ipk dep02.ipk...
Jun 09 18:54:13 <theturtle> hum ok :(
Jun 09 18:54:21 <woglinde> never have the depenedcies with 100
Jun 09 18:54:27 <woglinde> only two three
Jun 09 18:54:30 <woglinde> and thtas okay
Jun 09 18:54:49 <zecke> theturtle: create a package index
Jun 09 18:54:52 <theturtle> not sure of that, i have scped 2648 .ipk to my ipaq :-D
Jun 09 18:55:07 <zecke> theturtle: and add this index to your feeds
Jun 09 18:55:31 <theturtle> zecke : i will dig on that, thanks, seems more reliable
Jun 09 18:56:04 <theturtle> zecke : is there a tutorial somewhere on how to do that ?
Jun 09 18:57:31 <zecke> theturtle: as this is #oe, closest is packageindex.bb (or package-index.bb)
Jun 09 18:58:09 <zecke> theturtle: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/meta/package-index.bb
Jun 09 18:58:20 <theturtle> ok thanks :)
Jun 09 19:03:22 <woglinde> re tmbinc
Jun 09 19:05:12 <zecke> damn, the tinderbox is broken :(
Jun 09 19:05:19 <zecke> http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showlog.pl?machine_id=5&logfile=20060609171808.log
Jun 09 19:05:30 <zecke> it thinks it succeeded
Jun 09 19:08:02 <hrw|tv> theturtle: ipkg-make-index build index
Jun 09 19:08:03 <zecke> hrw|tv: poor boy :(
Jun 09 19:08:10 <hrw|tv> zecke: ?
Jun 09 19:08:18 <zecke> hrw|tv: Ecuador scored
Jun 09 19:08:27 <woglinde> yes
Jun 09 19:08:31 <woglinde> nice goal
Jun 09 19:08:34 <zecke> 10:0 Ecuador :(
Jun 09 19:08:38 <zecke> sad day for poland
Jun 09 19:08:40 <woglinde> hrw sorry
Jun 09 19:08:47 <hrw|tv> zecke: so what? I'm not supporter 
Jun 09 19:08:52 <zecke> hehe
Jun 09 19:09:06 <woglinde> hehe
Jun 09 19:09:22 <woglinde> right you are watching movies
Jun 09 19:09:43 <raduga> you don't support poland?
Jun 09 19:09:52 <woglinde> lol
Jun 09 19:09:53 <zecke> I wish we would have movies as well
Jun 09 19:09:56 <raduga> or just not polish futbal?
Jun 09 19:10:02 <hrw|tv> 'Pelican Brief' now
Jun 09 19:10:12 * raduga is watching IRC
Jun 09 19:10:22 * Harvy is back
Jun 09 19:10:41 <raduga> 24" flat-panel LCD @ 80x25
Jun 09 19:10:43 <hrw|tv> raduga: football and few other 'popular' sports
Jun 09 19:53:59 <zecke> ~pastebin
Jun 09 19:54:01 <ibot> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/, or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/
Jun 09 19:54:46 <zecke> woglinde: SCO is still not dead...
Jun 09 19:54:55 <zecke> woglinde: at least they are securing Unix :}
Jun 09 20:01:33 <woglinde> zecke yes read it
Jun 09 20:01:46 <CosmicPenguin> hmmm...  my machine architecture isn't getting written into the ipkg.conf
Jun 09 20:01:56 <woglinde> they have to pair more to the laywers than the made umsatz
Jun 09 20:02:01 <hrw|tv> CosmicPenguin: recent OE?
Jun 09 20:02:07 <hrw|tv> woglinde: umsatz?
Jun 09 20:02:07 <CosmicPenguin> probably not
Jun 09 20:02:09 <CosmicPenguin> was that fixed?
Jun 09 20:02:15 <hrw|tv> CosmicPenguin: changed 
Jun 09 20:02:20 <CosmicPenguin> teach me
Jun 09 20:02:34 <hrw|tv> CosmicPenguin: IPKG_ARCHS -> IPKG_ARCHS + IPKG_EXTRA_ARCHS
Jun 09 20:02:55 <hrw|tv> so you define EXTRA only
Jun 09 20:03:08 <CosmicPenguin> whats in IPKG_ARCHs by default?
Jun 09 20:03:13 <hrw|tv> IPKG_ARCHS = all noarch any TARGET_ARCH EXTRA MACHINE
Jun 09 20:03:15 <zecke> hrw|tv: umsatz == sales/turnover
Jun 09 20:03:26 <CosmicPenguin> sweet
Jun 09 20:03:29 <hrw|tv> thx zecke 
Jun 09 20:04:11 <hrw|tv> CosmicPenguin: so now simple machine confs does not need any IPKG ARCHS definitions
Jun 09 20:04:14 <CosmicPenguin> right
Jun 09 20:04:18 <CosmicPenguin> makes sense
Jun 09 20:04:51 <hrw|tv> RP cleaned it
Jun 09 20:05:28 <hrw|tv> polish football players show their class - still 0:1 
Jun 09 20:05:44 <Ifaistos> :)
Jun 09 20:22:44 <woglinde_> gooooooaaaaaaaaaaalllllll
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Jun 09 20:38:20 <CosmicPenguin> ok - who is responsible for the /etc/udev/scripts/mount.sh travesty/
Jun 09 20:38:21 <CosmicPenguin> ?
Jun 09 20:38:28 <CosmicPenguin> Because we're going to have some words
Jun 09 20:38:57 <zecke> MAINTAINER?
Jun 09 20:46:26 <CosmicPenguin> zecke: convieniently - there is no MAINTAINER
Jun 09 20:46:34 <CosmicPenguin> but it tries to automatically mount all block devices probed by udev
Jun 09 20:46:51 <CosmicPenguin> so my system sits there for three days trying to figure out /dev/fd0 and lots of /dev/nbd*
Jun 09 20:47:14 <zecke> hehe
Jun 09 20:47:38 <CosmicPenguin> it uses a device blacklist, but imho it should use a device whitelist instead
Jun 09 20:48:32 <zecke> I'm the wrong person for that :)
Jun 09 20:48:48 <zecke> take it up with RP, mickeyl, hrw, koen and CoreDump :)
Jun 09 20:50:07 <zecke> RP: http://oe.pastebin.com/770825
Jun 09 20:51:43 <zecke> RP: http://oe.pastebin.com/770828 <- a patch, you should consider
Jun 09 20:54:43 <hrw|tv> CosmicPenguin: thats coredump baby iirc - looks like too much pda related
Jun 09 20:56:19 * chouimat is away: pub!!!! it's friday!!!!!!!
Jun 09 21:01:51 <rwhitby> CosmicPenguin: I'm with you - a distro-specific whitelist is what is called for ...
Jun 09 21:18:33 <hrw|tv> ibot: 22% of 500
Jun 09 21:18:35 <ibot> 110
Jun 09 21:19:25 <zecke> ibot: 500% of 22
Jun 09 21:19:26 <ibot> 110
Jun 09 21:20:19 <CosmicPenguin> math can be fun
Jun 09 21:24:12 <hrw|tv> thats will be payment if customs hold package
Jun 09 21:32:20 <flyback> quick question folks
Jun 09 21:32:29 <flyback> is a ohci controller always 1.1 usb ?
Jun 09 21:32:30 <hrw|tv> dont ask to ask but ask?
Jun 09 21:32:40 <hrw|tv> flyback: iirc yes
Jun 09 21:32:43 <hrw|tv> ehci is 2.0
Jun 09 21:32:46 <flyback> weird
Jun 09 21:32:53 <hrw|tv> hi CoreDump|home 
Jun 09 21:32:56 <CoreDump|home> hi
Jun 09 21:33:01 <flyback> my mb claims it has 8 usb 2.0 ports but linux detects 2 ochi controllers also
Jun 09 21:33:17 <flyback> mabye they are just unused in the chipset
Jun 09 21:33:23 <hrw|tv> flyback: ohci/uhci support 1.1, ehci is used only for 2.0 iirc
Jun 09 21:33:39 <flyback> yeah but you can't put 2 on the same port can you?
Jun 09 21:34:49 <hrw|tv> flyback: I do not use external hubs and connect to any of 6 connected port - all are 2.0
Jun 09 21:35:59 <hrw|tv> mainboard has 8 ports in total but I do not have so many usb devices ;) BT and cardreader only (do not count Zauruses as I use wifi at home)
Jun 09 21:36:05 <hrw|tv> time to go sleep 
Jun 09 21:36:06 <hrw|tv> cu
Jun 09 21:37:02 <flyback> thx
Jun 09 21:37:47 <hrw|gone> flyback: board report 4 uhci 1.1 and 1 usb 2.0 controller
Jun 09 21:37:51 <hrw|gone> in lspci
Jun 09 21:37:58 <hrw|gone> now gone for real
Jun 09 21:38:05 <flyback> same thing about
Jun 09 21:43:27 <CoreDump|home> CosmicPenguin: It's no travesty, the function of that script was intended to be blacklist based, not whitelist based. The reason is that (on a PDA) we *do* want each and every block device on the planet (except a few) to auto-mount. Non-PDA systems are of course a different kind of beast where you probably don't want any auto-mounting at all. Adjusting the default blacklist to ignore floppies and nbd should do the trick nicely.
Jun 09 21:44:06 <CosmicPenguin> a whitelist could be easily controlled by machine
Jun 09 21:44:33 <CosmicPenguin> The concept really only works for removable media anyway
Jun 09 21:44:38 <CoreDump|home> we have per-machine blacklists currently.
Jun 09 21:45:49 <CosmicPenguin> but the idea of a blacklist is only sane when the number of devices to be blacklisted is smaller then the number of devices to whitelist
Jun 09 21:45:59 <CosmicPenguin> it works fine on PDAs but breaks on any general purpose machine
Jun 09 21:46:08 <CoreDump|home> exactly =)
Jun 09 21:46:09 <CosmicPenguin> I'm just saying is all
Jun 09 21:46:19 <CosmicPenguin> Again - OE isn't just for PDAs
Jun 09 21:46:37 <zecke> good nite :)
Jun 09 21:46:37 <flyback> cool
Jun 09 21:46:42 <flyback> I was thinking about that CosmicPenguin
Jun 09 21:46:46 <zecke> you will sort it out
Jun 09 21:46:52 <flyback> for that old 486-100 I have with 8 meg ram
Jun 09 21:47:03 <CosmicPenguin> Well - at least think about it
Jun 09 21:47:20 <CosmicPenguin> I can fix it for myself by hacking local.rules, but think of the next poor soul who comes in here trying to build for a Via or something
Jun 09 21:47:23 <flyback> it's just for an embedded project I might just use freedos
Jun 09 21:47:41 <flyback> I might bolt it to my car window
Jun 09 21:48:06 <flyback> so I can display insulting graphic messages at drivers that piss me off
Jun 09 21:48:10 <flyback> it's only a mb + lcd now
Jun 09 21:48:47 <flyback> bbiab
Jun 09 21:51:16 <CoreDump|home> CosmicPenguin: I get your point, really. And I agree that the script doesn't work too well for anything but a PDA.
Jun 09 21:52:25 <raduga> WARNING: vehicle contains tainted driver.  License possibly invalid. Please reboot driver, or replace with one who knows how to drive.
Jun 09 21:55:53 <CoreDump|home> CosmicPenguin: A short-term solution could be to place "*" into the default blacklist
Jun 09 21:56:01 <theturtle> where can i add autoload modules on boot ?
Jun 09 21:56:42 <CoreDump|home> theturtle: /etc/moduled.d or something along the lines
Jun 09 22:37:47 <theturtle> when i plug my ipaq into my ipaq into its usb cradle, i'd like to "modprobe g_ether && ifconfig usb0 ..." automatically, any pointer on how to do that please ?
Jun 09 22:40:17 <woglinde_> udev?
Jun 09 23:00:44 <rwhitby> Hmm - how do I now get bitbake to not clean out the package when it fails - makes it a bit hard to see the failure in the log file.  This is a manual build on the autobuilder machine.
Jun 09 23:01:36 * rwhitby tries commenting out tinderbox ...
Jun 09 23:02:29 <kergoth> rwhitby: read org.openembedded.dev/conf/bitbake.conf
Jun 09 23:02:37 <kergoth> it's right there, with a comment about it
Jun 09 23:02:39 <kergoth> heh
Jun 09 23:03:11 <rwhitby> kergoth: thx
Jun 09 23:03:45 <CosmicPenguin> I dig trac
Jun 09 23:03:48 <CosmicPenguin> its pretty slick
Jun 09 23:04:01 <rwhitby> CosmicPenguin: trac.nslu2-linux.org :-)
Jun 09 23:04:12 <CosmicPenguin> OLPC just started using it too
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Jun 09 23:34:27 <bioeng> Hi everyone
Jun 09 23:43:04 <bioeng> I have some questions
Jun 09 23:43:13 <bioeng> about getting into embedded development
Jun 10 00:02:56 <bioeng> Is anyone here?
Jun 10 00:03:14 <kergoth> if you have questions, ask them.  dont ask to ask, just spit it out already
Jun 10 00:03:52 <bioeng> I recently learned C and C++
Jun 10 00:04:18 <bioeng> I also understand machine assembler language
Jun 10 00:04:32 <woglinde_> bioeng thats fine
Jun 10 00:04:41 <bioeng> The problem is that I do not know more advanced concepts of programming
Jun 10 00:04:56 <kergoth> so what's the question?
Jun 10 00:05:15 <bioeng> What level of programming is required for embedded programming?
Jun 10 00:05:19 <woglinde_> bioeng you are fine for programming slave, dont try to break put *g*
Jun 10 00:05:27 <woglinde_> out
Jun 10 00:05:37 <nemu> bioeng : advanced conception :(
Jun 10 00:05:50 <kergoth> embedded programming is just programming, while ensuring your code is portable and keeping in mind the resource constraints of the system.
Jun 10 00:06:19 <bioeng> I've been learning more about it lately
Jun 10 00:07:01 <bioeng> especially since I'm entering my final year as an EE student
Jun 10 00:07:44 <bioeng> My technical areas in EE are power and computer engineering
Jun 10 00:08:22 <bioeng> My old friend from college is an embedded software engineer
Jun 10 00:08:51 <bioeng> I'd be interested in getting into it too
Jun 10 00:09:45 <woglinde_> kergoth do you know if it possible to run kerneldebugger on serial line?
Jun 10 00:09:57 <nemu> bioeng : system programming ?
Jun 10 00:10:14 <kergoth> woglinde_: pretty sure you can, but its been a long time since i messed with it.. i'm more of a printk() debugger :)
Jun 10 00:10:47 <bioeng> I think they have a course required for computer engineers called systems programming in the CS department
Jun 10 00:11:32 <bioeng> but what do you mean by programming slave?
Jun 10 00:11:37 <nemu> bioeng : embedded programming is just programming. if u want to control computer(chip, device... etc), it means system programming. 
Jun 10 00:12:12 <bioeng> It doesn't really require much beyond what's covered in an intro to C++ book?
Jun 10 00:12:52 <kergoth> it completely depends on what you want to be doing.
Jun 10 00:14:06 <bioeng> My friend works for Boeing as an embedded software engineer
Jun 10 00:14:42 <bioeng> I thought that was really cool
Jun 10 00:15:05 <kergoth> doing what? kernel development? drivers? applications? or to bare metal, on smaller chips like the atmel avr? 
Jun 10 00:15:07 <woglinde_> arhs no kgdb for arm
Jun 10 00:15:12 <kergoth> :\
Jun 10 00:15:25 <kergoth> printk is your friend :)
Jun 10 00:15:38 <woglinde_> yes
Jun 10 00:15:39 <bioeng> I'm not sure
Jun 10 00:15:46 <bioeng> That's mostly what I know
Jun 10 00:15:50 <woglinde_> I played with it the whole day
Jun 10 00:15:54 <woglinde_> and yesterday
Jun 10 00:16:05 <kergoth> well, as you can tell, there are a number of areas to get into, and what you want to be doing greatly affects the skillsets you need
Jun 10 00:16:17 <kergoth> if you're just doing applications work in linux machines, its not much different than applications work on a desktop.
Jun 10 00:16:35 <nemu> bioeng : kergoth right! :)
Jun 10 00:16:45 <bioeng> ok
Jun 10 00:16:50 <bioeng> What else is there?
Jun 10 00:17:32 <kergoth> kernel/drivers work, likely involves takling to the hardware, writing teh drivers so linux or whatever operating system can access the hardware.  that may be more your cup of tea if you're an EE
Jun 10 00:18:06 <bioeng> That's what I was aiming for
Jun 10 00:18:13 <kergoth> or even lower level than that, coding firmware for microprocessors
Jun 10 00:18:15 <bioeng> kernel/drivers, hardware stuff
Jun 10 00:18:18 <bioeng> that too
Jun 10 00:18:24 <bioeng> I'm really good with hardware
Jun 10 00:18:32 <bioeng> I just need to get better in software
Jun 10 00:18:35 <kergoth> get really good with C if you arent already :)
Jun 10 00:19:29 <bioeng> Where can I find the source for OpenEmbedded?
Jun 10 00:19:47 <kergoth> go tot he getting started page on openembedded.org :P
Jun 10 00:20:21 <nemu> bioeng : openembedded is just linux. :)
Jun 10 00:20:24 <kergoth> OE is mainly used to maintain, build, and to a certain extent deploy, the linux distribution, packages, and toolchain for the device.
Jun 10 00:21:39 <nemu> bioeng : if u like the hardware, u have to learn device driver programming with kernel.
Jun 10 00:21:49 <bioeng> ok
Jun 10 00:21:52 <kergoth> if you're looking to work with linux, that is :)
Jun 10 00:22:07 <bioeng> I need to get a linux copy up and running on my desktop
Jun 10 00:22:10 <kergoth> there are a number of excellent books on the subject, good sites (kernelnewbies.org, and others), and of course teh linux kernel mailing list
Jun 10 00:22:28 <bioeng> What build of linux do you recommend for OE?
Jun 10 00:22:38 <kergoth> doesnt matter, generally
Jun 10 00:22:46 <bioeng> I have Ubuntu
Jun 10 00:22:48 <kergoth> oe builds the tools it needs for the most part. see our site, it has the requirements
Jun 10 00:22:51 <kergoth> should work fine
Jun 10 00:23:14 <woglinde_> bioeng did you work usally with visual studio?
Jun 10 00:23:32 <bioeng> In school, I mostly worked with java
Jun 10 00:23:40 <bioeng> which was a bad choice
Jun 10 00:23:41 * kergoth rolls eyes
Jun 10 00:23:51 <bioeng> That's why I switched over to some real languages
Jun 10 00:23:52 <woglinde_> bioeng where is c/c++ in java?
Jun 10 00:23:52 <nemu> bioeng : np. u can get linux kernel on http://kernel.org 
Jun 10 00:23:56 <kergoth> its times like this i'm glad i didnt go for a CS degree
Jun 10 00:23:59 <kergoth> :P
Jun 10 00:24:18 <bioeng> kergoth:  What degree did you pursue?
Jun 10 00:24:35 <kergoth> none
Jun 10 00:24:42 <kergoth> just did open source work, then got jobs in the field
Jun 10 00:25:58 <woglinde_> okay have to got bed
Jun 10 00:26:00 <woglinde_> nite
Jun 10 00:26:02 <bioeng> night
Jun 10 00:26:15 <woglinde_> maybe tommorrow I get the damnit gadet driver to run
Jun 10 00:26:27 <kergoth> i started in embedded with the sharp zaurus
Jun 10 00:26:46 <bioeng> I heard Ubuntu had built-in dual boot support
Jun 10 00:27:02 <woglinde_> that depends on the bootloader
Jun 10 00:27:04 <bioeng> It gave you an option at boot to boot either Ubuntu Linux or Windows XP
Jun 10 00:27:19 <kergoth> founded openzaurus, the alternative distro for it, got into distribution, kernel/drivers, and applications work there, then got into build tools and started OE, got into configuration management with the opie project... not exaclty a specialist :P
Jun 10 00:27:29 <bioeng> That's what I heard anyways
Jun 10 00:27:37 <kergoth> bioeng: it should, yes. make sure you install ubuntu after windows, not the other way around. windows tends to hose the mbr
Jun 10 00:27:48 <bioeng> I am running Windows right now
Jun 10 00:28:11 <bioeng> so if I install Linux
Jun 10 00:28:18 <bioeng> or Ubuntu
Jun 10 00:28:30 <woglinde_> linux is only the kernel
Jun 10 00:28:37 <woglinde_> ubuntu is a distribution
Jun 10 00:28:48 <bioeng> Ubuntu, I mean
Jun 10 00:28:51 <woglinde_> with the linuxkernel and other stuff packed
Jun 10 00:28:56 <bioeng> so I'll install Ubuntu
Jun 10 00:29:04 <woglinde_> yes
Jun 10 00:29:08 <woglinde_> do it
Jun 10 00:29:16 <bioeng> and it should provide the option to boot either OS at startup?
Jun 10 00:29:40 <kergoth> partitioning could be an issue. does ubuntu provide resizing of the windows partition? i doubt it
Jun 10 00:29:41 <woglinde_> but you should save your files of the windows partions
Jun 10 00:29:54 <woglinde_> kergoth that isnt always save
Jun 10 00:30:00 <woglinde_> better do backups
Jun 10 00:30:01 <kergoth> anyway, we've come far afield, this isnt appropriate for this channel
Jun 10 00:30:05 <woglinde_> and reinstall both
Jun 10 00:30:17 <woglinde_> node
Jun 10 00:30:19 <woglinde_> and off
Jun 10 00:30:55 <bioeng> OK
Jun 10 00:31:18 <kergoth> and this channel is really for OE specifically, not general embedded, so this all wouldve been moer appropriate in #elinux than here
Jun 10 00:31:21 <kergoth> but oh well'
Jun 10 00:32:08 <bioeng> It has convinced me to join your project to get some experience though
Jun 10 00:33:03 <kergoth> sounds like a good start. a lot of the books on embedded linux just show you what the components are of an embedded linux system and what projects are useful, and such.  not much more than you'd learn playing with the uclibc buildroot or OE
Jun 10 00:33:19 <bioeng> I'm excited that I'm going to able to at least claim some experience in civil and electrical engineering and in biology
Jun 10 00:33:42 <bioeng> All three before I got out of school in each one
Jun 10 00:33:53 <bioeng> So thank you kergoth
Jun 10 00:34:20 <bioeng> Although I could not locate an embedded linux or linux book at my regional Barnes and Noble
Jun 10 00:35:18 <kergoth> i'd suggest reading up on some of the projects we make use of. busybox for example, is one of the most important packages in most embedded linux systems
Jun 10 00:35:22 <kergoth> busybox.net :)
Jun 10 00:36:21 <bioeng> Thanks
Jun 10 00:36:47 <bioeng> I get an ISO of Ubuntu install and it should install at boot
Jun 10 00:38:46 <bioeng> I'll be back if I have any further questions
Jun 10 00:48:14 <JustinP> spectrum-fw causes a type of bitbake error I've never seen before....
Jun 10 01:16:00 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r104f52c9... 10/conf/distro/slugos.conf: slugos.conf: Changed DISTRO_VERSION to 4.0 to denote the new unstable branch (stable branch is in SVN on svn.nslu2-linux.org)
Jun 10 01:29:36 * chouimat is back.
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