**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 20 02:59:57 2006
Jun 20 03:58:47 <CIA-7> 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * rf5d71eb5... 10/packages/linux/ (4 files): ixp4xx-kernel: Added 2.6.17, and enabled the patches and defconfig to be pulled from svn.
Jun 20 03:59:34 <rwhitby> That 2.6.17 kernel builds with gcc 4.1 - testing it now.
Jun 20 03:59:53 * emte wonders why
Jun 20 04:00:08 <emte> then thinks , oh yeah WE stablize for embedded devices :P
Jun 20 04:00:44 <emte> actually the stablization stuff should become interesting
Jun 20 04:01:12 <emte> i guess it depends how broken the kernel crew lets things go
Jun 20 04:05:03 <rwhitby> Linux version 2.6.17 (rwhitby@sarge) (gcc version 4.1.1) #1 PREEMPT Tue Jun 20 6
Jun 20 04:06:55 * emte waits to se how long it takes for rwhitby's box to crash
Jun 20 04:07:28 <emte> actually i am not sure how much effect an unstablized kernel will have for general users
Jun 20 04:10:20 <rwhitby> emte: well, in this case I (and the other nslu2-linux core team devs) am the kernel crew :-)
Jun 20 04:10:57 <rwhitby> Now the kernel boots, time to get the Intel ixp modules to build ...
Jun 20 04:19:20 <csmanx> emte: lol
Jun 20 05:04:14 <CIA-7> 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r0d094c5c... 10/packages/ (4 files in 4 dirs): ixp4xx, ixp425-eth: Updated for 2.6.17 kernel (MODULE_PARM now removed)
Jun 20 05:04:24 <CIA-7> 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r77ddba42... 10/conf/distro/slugos.conf: slugos.conf: Updated default kernel to 2.6.17
Jun 20 05:49:15 * thejapa hits head in the wall really hard
Jun 20 07:22:13 <hrw|work> morning
Jun 20 07:22:27 <hvontres> morning hrw
Jun 20 07:24:44 <hvontres> hrw: have you had problems building orinoco-modules from the 354x metadata?
Jun 20 07:25:02 <hrw|work> hvontres: no
Jun 20 07:25:39 <hrw|work> hvontres: but I do not remember when last time I built them
Jun 20 07:25:53 <hvontres> hmmm, need to dig into that one some more then.. tried to build a 2.6 poodle image last night and it failed on those..
Jun 20 07:26:20 <hrw|work> hvontres: all 2.6 zauruses use orinoco from kernel not from orinoco-modules
Jun 20 07:27:04 <hvontres> so I guess I need to figure out how orinoco-modules-0.15rc2-r9 was added to task-bootstap then..
Jun 20 07:27:24 <hrw|work> probably poodle 2.6 config still want them (not cleaned)
Jun 20 07:27:35 <hvontres> (checking)
Jun 20 07:28:18 <hvontres> bingo.. do I still need hostap-modules or can I get rid of those too?
Jun 20 07:29:05 <hvontres> nevermind, those built fine.
Jun 20 07:29:22 <hrw|work> hostap-modules also from kernel
Jun 20 07:30:46 <hvontres> thanks.
Jun 20 07:32:45 <hvontres> well, monotone is almost done... Ohh the joy of a dual PII-333 :) I am off to bed
Jun 20 07:33:58 <hrw|work> hvontres|afk: nice machine ;)
Jun 20 07:34:54 <hvontres|afk> hey, they were gonna toss it at work... only the best mid-90's equipment for me..:) Beats my Pentium 233 Laptop :)
Jun 20 07:38:14 <hrw|work> ;))
Jun 20 07:40:16 <hrw|work> speed monsters
Jun 20 07:40:23 <do13_> morning all
Jun 20 07:40:32 <hvontres|afk> Ok Monotone is done... I am off to bed.. Good night. :)
Jun 20 07:42:35 <hrw|work> hi dirk
Jun 20 07:42:42 <do13_> hey Marcin
Jun 20 07:43:07 <hrw|work> do13_: I will have tosa (and poodle) soon - something to check especially?
Jun 20 07:43:33 <do13_> not yet.
Jun 20 07:43:54 <do13_> I know most of the bugs :)
Jun 20 07:44:19 <hrw|work> ;)
Jun 20 07:45:10 <do13_> hrw|work: you added the wrt54 stuff does this work?
Jun 20 07:46:14 <hrw|work> do13_: I did not added wrt54 stuff
Jun 20 07:46:30 <hrw|work> do13_: flash openwrt and then use OE to build extra packages for it ;)
Jun 20 07:46:51 <do13_> ok.
Jun 20 07:47:11 <do13_> there is a new distro maybe we can point them in out direction
Jun 20 07:47:31 <do13_> our direction
Jun 20 07:47:46 <do13_> www.freewrt.org
Jun 20 07:49:30 <RP> morning all
Jun 20 07:49:39 <do13_> hey Richard
Jun 20 07:50:57 <hrw|work> hi RP 
Jun 20 07:51:00 <hrw|work> do13_: interesting
Jun 20 07:53:14 <do13_> hrw|work: this is the background: http://openbsd-geek.de/archives/224-An-open-letter-to-the-OpenWrt-community.html
Jun 20 07:53:17 <hrw|work> do13_: it base on openwrt so probably will not want to go to OE
Jun 20 07:57:07 <XOrA> morning
Jun 20 07:57:19 <RP> morning XOrA 
Jun 20 07:57:26 <do13_> hrw|work: well, we should talk to this guys
Jun 20 07:57:30 <do13_> hi XOrA 
Jun 20 08:03:45 <hrw|work> do13_: added comment
Jun 20 08:03:51 <hrw|work> ~seen koen
Jun 20 08:04:05 <ibot> koen <n=koen@72.22.143.163> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 7h 33m 23s ago, saying: 'hey chouimat '.
Jun 20 08:04:14 <mr_nice> hi all
Jun 20 08:16:51 <ade|desk> morning morning
Jun 20 08:19:07 <myopiate> does anyone know when the gnu toolchain for arm-linux-gnueabi will support armv4t machines?
Jun 20 08:21:49 <RP> myopiate: I'm not sure its a high priority for the people working on the toolchain :-/
Jun 20 08:22:39 <myopiate> I'll just have to live without it then :'(
Jun 20 08:24:50 <ade|desk> grr bloody 3way meld always messes up
Jun 20 08:29:34 <ade|desk> bbiab
Jun 20 08:46:40 <hrw|work> I too often forgot that google SoC has wrong name for my student...
Jun 20 08:56:02 <XorA> hrw|work: I had to chuckle at the accidental SoC email
Jun 20 08:59:29 <hrw|work> hi liam
Jun 20 08:59:34 <lrg> morning all
Jun 20 08:59:34 <do13_> hey liam
Jun 20 08:59:53 <XorA> hey lrg
Jun 20 08:59:59 * hrw|work neeed koen
Jun 20 09:00:07 <hrw|work> and his reset monkey
Jun 20 09:00:24 <hrw|work> then will lart JustinP's toys badly
Jun 20 09:00:45 <lrg> XorA, Could you come done to Wolfson after work one night this week. I want to fix the c7x0 audio problem.
Jun 20 09:01:06 <hrw|work> ~kill edb-native
Jun 20 09:01:07 <XorA> lrg: yes, how about thurs?
Jun 20 09:01:09 * ibot shoots a super-inverse pseudoproton gun at edb-native
Jun 20 09:01:14 <XorA> lrg: wife is out that night
Jun 20 09:01:34 <XorA> lrg: I am totally stupid, Ive been past your office on the 22 millions of times, It just never clicked
Jun 20 09:01:44 <hrw|work> last time edb-native started thousands of gtk-config - ewi got nearly 20k processes working
Jun 20 09:01:49 <lrg> XorA, Thursday is fine, what time suits you ?
Jun 20 09:01:57 <XorA> lrg: Ill finish here at 5
Jun 20 09:02:11 <lrg> XorA, np
Jun 20 09:03:38 <XorA> lrg: so I just come to door and ask for you?
Jun 20 09:04:30 <lrg> XorA: yes, I'll let the reception know you are coming.
Jun 20 09:04:37 <RP> hi Liam
Jun 20 09:04:41 <XorA> lrg: cool
Jun 20 09:05:22 <lrg> hey Richard, strange that madplay works for some and not others Z's...
Jun 20 09:06:02 <RP> lrg: Could it be there was a problem matching the frequency on the wm8750?
Jun 20 09:06:45 <lrg> RP: I think so. I'll test this soon on my terrier
Jun 20 09:07:18 <RP> lrg: You comment about mplayer's alsa support is itneresting. ALSA support in madplay is also broken
Jun 20 09:08:09 <RP> lrg: I suspec the problem with the c7x0 is we're connecting an input to an output and getting feedback
Jun 20 09:08:34 <lrg> RP: ah, yes. that's probably it
Jun 20 09:09:15 <RP> lrg: Since I can hear it, the input side of things must be using the wrong channel
Jun 20 09:15:21 <lardman|work> morning
Jun 20 09:24:29 <Laibsch> OK, I really can't get OE working now.  I have rm'ed tmp and org.openembedded.dev, checked out the latter again from monotone and restarted compilation.  Here is the result: http://oe.pastebin.com/720479  What shall I do now?
Jun 20 09:28:34 <RP> hrw|work: Is there any reason we couldn't set ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION ?= "1" in openzaurus-3.5.4.1.conf?
Jun 20 09:34:23 <Laibsch> If there were any replies to my problem, sorry I missed them.
Jun 20 09:34:36 <XorA> Laibsch: looks like disk corruption
Jun 20 09:34:50 <Laibsch> Does it? 
Jun 20 09:35:07 <Laibsch> Wow, I'll reboot and e2fsck.
Jun 20 09:35:13 <Laibsch> And fast ;-)
Jun 20 09:35:26 <XorA> Laibsch: I get shite like that when my amd64 and ext3 start to disagree
Jun 20 09:41:08 <rwhitby> Anyone know anything about this:
Jun 20 09:41:11 <rwhitby>   File "<bb>", line 19, in tinder_build_start
Jun 20 09:41:11 <rwhitby> TypeError: unpack non-sequence
Jun 20 09:44:23 <hrw|work> RP: I can do that - but prefer to not do it
Jun 20 09:45:06 <RP> hrw|work: Its causing people trying to use the tree a lot of confusing but I can understand that...
Jun 20 09:45:46 <hrw|work> RP: I was thinking about adding check for gcc-3.3/3.4 into distro conf
Jun 20 09:47:00 <RP> hrw|work: sanity.conf might be a better place?
Jun 20 09:47:20 <RP> (and only if ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION is set)
Jun 20 09:47:27 <hrw|work> RP: good idea
Jun 20 09:47:38 <hrw|work> ~lart me for killing ewi with ebd-native
Jun 20 09:47:38 * ibot drops a humongous exploding nuke on hrw|work for killing ewi with ebd-native
Jun 20 10:11:39 <mickey|fifa2006> morning guys
Jun 20 10:11:55 <mickey|fifa2006> hrw|work: been there, done that. edb-native sucks. killed my build machine three times
Jun 20 10:12:21 <hrw|work> mickey|fifa2006: I killed ewi twice with it
Jun 20 10:12:34 <hrw|work> mickey|fifa2006, JustinP: I will drop edb-native from .oz354x probably
Jun 20 10:12:38 <pb_> hi mickey|fifa2006 
Jun 20 10:12:45 <mickey|fifa2006> hrw|work: newer edb-native seem to fix the bug. i have no problems with 1.0.5.007 
Jun 20 10:12:48 <mickey|fifa2006> hey pb_
Jun 20 10:13:02 <mickey|fifa2006> hrw|work: or try removing gtk-config from the build machine
Jun 20 10:13:29 <mickey|fifa2006> do13,hrw|work: just commented on that freewrt blog entry
Jun 20 10:13:36 <hrw|work> mickey|fifa2006: if I will build gtk1.2 before then I will have it in staging...
Jun 20 10:15:08 <hrw|work> mickey|fifa2006: use vanille-media.de url when commenting ;)
Jun 20 10:15:19 <mickey|fifa2006> hrw|work: ah darn
Jun 20 10:15:19 <do13_> hi mickey|fifa2006 
Jun 20 10:15:20 <mickey|fifa2006> habits!
Jun 20 10:15:27 <mickey|fifa2006> hrw|work: will try to remember :)
Jun 20 10:15:55 <mickey|fifa2006> hrw|work: need to find the time to migrate everything over and then vanille.de will be an alias to vanille-media.de
Jun 20 10:17:05 <mickey|fifa2006> pb_: how do you rate the performance of your fifa2006 team? are you interested at all? :)
Jun 20 10:17:59 <pb_> mickey|fifa2006: heh.  I'm not terribly interested, but our performance seems fairly poor so far.
Jun 20 10:18:24 <mickey|fifa2006> *nod* not like a couple of years ago. perhaps they'll get better once they get further
Jun 20 10:18:42 <mickey|fifa2006> wb hrw
Jun 20 10:18:45 <mickey|fifa2006> wb Laibsch
Jun 20 10:18:53 <pb_> lots of discussion on the radio a few days ago about whether England could win the world cup without Wayne Rooney.  which. frankly, seems like a futile discussion since I doubt they can win it even _with_ Rooney.
Jun 20 10:18:58 <Laibsch> moin mickey|fifa2006
Jun 20 10:19:08 <pb_> mickey|fifa2006: yah, let's hope
Jun 20 10:19:14 <hrw|work> mickey|fifa2006: no need to tell 'wb' - my network connection is ....
Jun 20 10:19:14 <Laibsch> mickey|fifa2006: Still watching the game? ;-)
Jun 20 10:19:34 <hrw|work> Laibsch: looped playback ;)
Jun 20 10:19:47 <mickey|fifa2006> Laibsch: heh. not exactly... more like preparing for 16:00 :D
Jun 20 10:20:05 <Laibsch> early bird catches the worm 
Jun 20 10:23:54 <ade|desk> hmm could england meet germany in the next round ?
Jun 20 10:24:15 <pb_> yeah
Jun 20 10:25:51 <pb_> iirc, england have to play the winner of group a in the first knockout round, iirc
Jun 20 10:25:55 <pb_> oops, too many iircs
Jun 20 10:25:57 <pb_> hail zecke
Jun 20 10:26:24 <zecke> pb_: hey, you will play against germany
Jun 20 10:26:42 <rwhitby> zecke: anything changed in tinderclient which could be causing our builds to fail?
Jun 20 10:26:43 <pb_> yeah, that's how it seems
Jun 20 10:26:44 <zecke> and I hope you will be polite guests, and lose...
Jun 20 10:26:54 <pb_> zecke: the second part seems inevitable.  not so sure about the first part.
Jun 20 10:27:20 <zecke> rwhitby: not that I would know, I have been too busy to break anything
Jun 20 10:27:32 <rwhitby> This mean anything to you?:
Jun 20 10:27:36 <rwhitby> File "<bb>", line 19, in tinder_build_start
Jun 20 10:27:54 <rwhitby> TypeError: unpack non-sequence
Jun 20 10:28:02 <zecke> wait a second
Jun 20 10:28:20 <zecke> rwhitby: did you change the local.conf?
Jun 20 10:28:25 <rwhitby> nope
Jun 20 10:28:58 <rwhitby> I did have to blow away the openembedded dir and re-checkout
Jun 20 10:29:16 <rwhitby> (had a monotone merge which could not be done automatic, and I *never* do manual merges.
Jun 20 10:29:26 <rwhitby> but the tmp dirs didn't change
Jun 20 10:29:26 <hrw|work> hi zecke 
Jun 20 10:29:37 <zecke> hmm
Jun 20 10:29:59 <hrw|work> rwhitby: ewi is overloaded
Jun 20 10:30:18 <rwhitby> zecke: I haven't tried it without tinderclient yet - just checking to see if you had any initial ideas before I dig deeper.
Jun 20 10:30:31 <rwhitby> hrw|work: yes?
Jun 20 10:30:48 <zecke> rwhitby: ah okay, it might fail to connect ewi...
Jun 20 10:30:55 <rwhitby> (we don't pull from ewi)
Jun 20 10:31:02 <rwhitby> oh, tinderclient. right.
Jun 20 10:31:02 <zecke> rwhitby: tbox is on ewi
Jun 20 10:31:38 <rwhitby> it does hang for a *very* long time before giving that error.
Jun 20 10:31:50 <zecke> rwhitby: ah yeah, I see it
Jun 20 10:32:10 <zecke> rwhitby: tinder_http_post after not connecting to ewi five times
Jun 20 10:32:28 <zecke> it returns 'void' and that is not a 5 tuple :}
Jun 20 10:32:58 <zecke> rwhitby: probably just turn, tinderclient off for now
Jun 20 10:33:40 <rwhitby> ok
Jun 20 10:34:25 <zecke> ~lart physics assignments...
Jun 20 10:34:25 * ibot acting on orders from an unspecified client drags physics assignments... into court suing for $200 million
Jun 20 10:34:37 <zecke> this stupid teacher doesn't get the units right...
Jun 20 10:34:48 <rwhitby> zecke: thanks for the quick debug.  tinderclient turned off for nslu2-linux.
Jun 20 10:37:37 <zecke> hrw|work: can you reach ewi at all?
Jun 20 10:37:48 <zecke> hrw|work: I think -j 300 is too much for it?
Jun 20 10:38:09 <hrw|work> zecke: j4 but its edb-native and I'm trying to reach it all morning
Jun 20 10:39:33 <zecke> hrw|work: I hope my screens are not gone when you are done ;)
Jun 20 10:40:11 <hrw|work> zecke: I suspect OOM war there
Jun 20 10:40:52 <zecke> :(
Jun 20 10:45:46 <mr_nice> Hi, what will be a clever name for packages which are non debain alice(eg base, etc) ? packagename-distribution-version.bb?
Jun 20 10:52:01 <mr_nice> I'm on the decition between using oe or building up the distribution out of .SlackBuild files but I will first check out how it could be done by using oe. I started writing a slackware tgz image python scrip but to write it I will have to get deeper into oe first. And for this one I have to know if investing time in oe helps me with my project. 
Jun 20 10:59:51 <zecke> mr_nice: debian alice? I do not know what you mean
Jun 20 11:00:29 <mr_nice> zecke:the packages are all in debian style
Jun 20 11:00:44 <mr_nice> zecke:look at the base package
Jun 20 11:01:03 <mr_nice> zecke:there is sysv initstyle and all
Jun 20 11:01:22 <mr_nice> zecke:configuration things are debian alice
Jun 20 11:01:29 <zecke> anyway, I think your agenda is to make OpenSIMpad slackware based
Jun 20 11:01:31 <zecke> so let it be
Jun 20 11:01:40 <mr_nice> zecke:yes
Jun 20 11:01:56 <zecke> what do you mean by alice? my webste doesn't have a meaning for that
Jun 20 11:01:57 <mr_nice> zecke: so how shuld I name the packages?
Jun 20 11:02:38 <mr_nice> zecke: well I am not a english alice could be gossip
Jun 20 11:02:46 <zecke> the same?
Jun 20 11:02:52 <mr_nice> zecke: no 
Jun 20 11:03:04 <zecke> just do not use init, and update-rc
Jun 20 11:03:15 <mr_nice> zecke:I have to look into a dictionary
Jun 20 11:03:22 <zecke> mr_nice: use the SlackWare names?
Jun 20 11:03:24 <pb_> I guess you mean "alike".  Alice would be a girl.
Jun 20 11:04:25 <mr_nice> zecke: I want to have a convention if a package exists and slackware did it other in that package. shuld i name the package then programmname-distribution-version.bb?
Jun 20 11:05:09 <mr_nice> yes I think alike is the right name ;)
Jun 20 11:05:31 <zecke> mr_nice: so the difference is the label, other init scripts and other system configuration?
Jun 20 11:05:47 <zecke> mr_nice: but the binaries are the same?
Jun 20 11:05:58 <mr_nice> zecke: yes there are other scripts and other configuration
Jun 20 11:06:05 <zecke> mr_nice: use BBCollections and set PN_slack = "other-better-bigger-name"
Jun 20 11:06:09 <mr_nice> zecke:well not in any case
Jun 20 11:06:26 <zecke> mr_nice: why not use SlackWare directly, if you want SlackWare?
Jun 20 11:06:33 * zecke is a noob on slackware
Jun 20 11:06:57 <mr_nice> zecke: there is no embedded slackware at the moment
Jun 20 11:07:08 <mr_nice> zecke: I want to build one for my simpad
Jun 20 11:07:31 <mr_nice> zecke: and I just thought about using oe oer building it with .SlackBuild files
Jun 20 11:08:20 <mr_nice> zecke: There is a "armedslack" but he build it not by crosscompiling he have a ionix which is able to build the hole system
Jun 20 11:08:39 <zecke> so build it on the SIMpad then?
Jun 20 11:08:49 <zecke> or make armdeslack cross compile aware?
Jun 20 11:09:02 <zecke> or just set the PN depending on the package
Jun 20 11:09:12 <zecke> provide alternative configurations
Jun 20 11:09:48 <mr_nice> zecke:I will try it
Jun 20 11:09:50 <zecke> mr_nice: but yes, distribution-name_version.bb is something that is used by familiar already
Jun 20 11:11:12 <mr_nice> zecke: How hard do you think is it to build a package_tgz.bbclass file?
Jun 20 11:11:50 <zecke> mr_nice: how is that different to package_tar?
Jun 20 11:12:50 <mr_nice> zecke:it is a tar.gz file named tgz with direct / and some special files
Jun 20 11:13:05 <mr_nice> zecke: but there is a packaging tool which creates it.
Jun 20 11:13:21 <mr_nice> zecke: mom i will upload something to pastebin
Jun 20 11:13:23 <zecke> mr_nice: easy, but I know this code a bit
Jun 20 11:13:30 <zecke> mr_nice: I need to get some food now
Jun 20 11:14:11 <zecke> later
Jun 20 11:20:41 <hrw|work> koen_: welcome master 
Jun 20 11:22:36 <koen_> hey hrw|work 
Jun 20 11:24:00 <hrw|work> koen_: ewi got overloaded again ;(
Jun 20 11:35:10 <koen_> weird
Jun 20 11:35:25 <hrw|work> koen_: edb-native must die
Jun 20 11:35:47 <koen_> does removing gtk-config help?
Jun 20 11:36:05 <hrw|work> will look tomorrow on my home machine
Jun 20 11:36:55 <hrw|work> and add do_configure_prepend() { cd $STAGING_BINDIR;mv gtk-config gtk-config-} (and viceversa in do_install_append()) probably
Jun 20 11:37:44 <koen_> breakfast time
Jun 20 11:37:44 <hrw|work> like I made in kdepimpi/do_unstage()
Jun 20 11:37:47 <koen_> later all
Jun 20 11:37:49 <hrw|work> smacznego koen
Jun 20 11:43:50 <hrw|work> progress..
Jun 20 11:43:51 <hrw|work> debug1: Next authentication method: publickey
Jun 20 11:43:51 <hrw|work> debug1: Offering public key: /home/hrw/.ssh/id_rsa
Jun 20 11:44:02 <hrw|work> got into that before disconnect... ewi...
Jun 20 12:09:15 <hrw|work> koen__: ping?
Jun 20 12:09:22 <hrw|work> hi cliff
Jun 20 12:13:00 <cbrake> hrw|work: morning Marcin
Jun 20 12:20:53 <mickeyl> i'm afraid there's nothing you can do remotely
Jun 20 12:21:06 <mickeyl> on the machines i had this fork bomb only manual resetting helped
Jun 20 12:24:04 <XorA> mickeyl: if you lucky you can sysreq it remotely
Jun 20 12:24:16 <hrw|work> mickeyl: I'm afraid that koen cannot call resetmonkey remotely
Jun 20 12:25:37 <mickeyl> XorA: cool. how's that working?
Jun 20 12:26:07 <pH5> mickeyl: as of 0.30 bluez-utils require dbus. are you going to patch it out and keep a nodbus version around for opie?
Jun 20 12:26:10 <XorA> mickeyl: echo b >/proc/kernel/magic_sysreq
Jun 20 12:26:20 <XorA> mickeyl: or wherever that files moves each week
Jun 20 12:26:58 <hrw|work> XorA: if I will get logged in then there would be no problem
Jun 20 12:27:28 <XorA> hrw|work: it does involve some lucky person having root shell still open
Jun 20 12:27:31 <mickeyl> pH5: I don't think so. I'm afraid we will have to stick with the older one for the Opie images for a while :/
Jun 20 12:28:04 <pH5> mickeyl: I was just wondering if the bluez-utils-dbus provider should be renamed to just bluez-utils then
Jun 20 12:28:34 <mickeyl> pH5: yeah, that would make sense
Jun 20 12:36:49 * chouimat is back.
Jun 20 12:37:27 <chouimat> morning
Jun 20 12:37:34 <hrw|work> pH5: remember that it should RPROVIDE bluez-utils-dbus
Jun 20 12:43:23 <XorA> hrw|work: and RREPLACE?
Jun 20 12:43:57 <hrw|work> and RCONFLICT
Jun 20 12:50:23 <pH5> hrw|work, XorA: ok.
Jun 20 13:16:32 <mr_nice> exit
Jun 20 13:34:55 <Laibsch> Just go a mail from tota from openzaurus-ja.  He wants to contribute to OE (which is what I asked them to do ;-)), but does not know how to.  I guess this is good news.
Jun 20 13:47:20 <hrw|work> cool
Jun 20 13:47:38 <zecke> yeah
Jun 20 14:17:24 <CIA-7> 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rd15714a2... 10/packages/dreambox/dreambox-dvb-modules.bb: dreambox-dvb-modules/dm7025: update drivers to 20060614
Jun 20 14:17:29 <CIA-7> 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rae61dea1... 10/packages/dreambox/dreambox-secondstage.bb: dreambox-secondstage/dm7025: update to secondstage #45 to fix memory corruption when PiP is active
Jun 20 14:17:33 <CIA-7> 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r8a23edc7... 10/packages/initscripts/ (3 files in 2 dirs): initscripts/opendreambox: replace populate-volatile with a tar unpack, remove some other unrequired init scripts to speed up booting
Jun 20 14:17:37 <CIA-7> 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r8b99c0e3... 10/packages/sysvinit/ (sysvinit/opendreambox/rcS sysvinit_2.86.bb): sysvinit/opendreambox: use hack to display progress on LCD
Jun 20 14:17:41 <CIA-7> 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rc6275ad3... 10/packages/tuxbox/tuxbox-common.bb: tuxbox-common: remove tuxbox-links as this is handled by populate-volatile, don't use PR for source archive
Jun 20 14:17:46 <CIA-7> 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r036354ef... 10/packages/hddtemp/ (hddtemp_0.3-beta14.bb hddtemp_0.3-beta15.bb): hddtemp: update to beta15 because old source package moved
Jun 20 14:17:50 <CIA-7> 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r2b2c23ae... 10/packages/meta/dreambox-image.bb: dreambox-image: remove dvbtune, add bash
Jun 20 14:17:55 <CIA-7> 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r527588d9... 10/packages/linux/ (3 files in 2 dirs): linux-dm7025: use new patch with included ioprio backport, nptl fix backport
Jun 20 14:17:59 <CIA-7> 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * r0e641e1e... 10/packages/busybox/ (busybox-1.01/keymap_endianess.patch busybox_1.01.bb): busybox-1.01: add patch to fix keymap endianess
Jun 20 14:23:57 <CoreDump|wm06> hi
Jun 20 14:25:31 <zecke> hey
Jun 20 14:27:22 * CoreDump|wm06 cheers
Jun 20 14:28:18 <zecke> yeah...
Jun 20 14:28:25 <zecke> oh my cat gets angry...
Jun 20 14:29:49 <Laibsch> What is a good file to look at for creating a bb file for a font?
Jun 20 14:29:54 <hrw|work> ttf?
Jun 20 14:30:04 <hrw|work> ttf-fonts/ttf-dejavu*.bb
Jun 20 14:30:55 <Laibsch> It is a qpf font.
Jun 20 14:31:15 <hrw|work> then qpf-fonts/qpf-dejavu*.bb
Jun 20 14:31:26 <hrw|work> Laibsch: cjkv font?
Jun 20 14:31:39 <Laibsch> Strange, I grepped for qpf but that was not returned.
Jun 20 14:31:43 <Laibsch> hrw|work: yes
Jun 20 14:31:50 <Laibsch> http://sourceforge.jp/projects/zaurus-ja/document/unismall_unismall-1.0.0_-_Notes/
Jun 20 14:32:01 <Laibsch> Nice font, small, just the right size for the display.
Jun 20 14:32:10 <Laibsch> Much better than the current unicode font we have.
Jun 20 14:33:37 <hrw|work> Laibsch: right size for qvga and vga?
Jun 20 14:33:56 <Laibsch> I do not know.
Jun 20 14:34:03 <Laibsch> I have only an SL-5500.
Jun 20 14:34:14 <Laibsch> But the bigger screens are popular in Japan.
Jun 20 14:34:25 <Laibsch> Might work for higher resolution as well.
Jun 20 14:34:34 <Laibsch> It certainly is the right font for the collie.
Jun 20 14:34:45 <hrw|work> let me see
Jun 20 14:35:27 <hrw|work> Laibsch: its '10' size - too small for vga
Jun 20 14:35:38 <Laibsch> But perfect for collie.
Jun 20 14:35:51 <hrw|work> for collie yes
Jun 20 14:35:53 <Laibsch> There is already a 16 size unicode font for higher res.
Jun 20 14:35:58 <Laibsch> That was too big for me.
Jun 20 14:36:04 <hrw|work> yes..
Jun 20 14:36:20 <hrw|work> Laibsch: too bad that cjkv TTF are so big
Jun 20 14:36:25 <Laibsch> It is certainly not intended as a replacement since judging from the file size it will likely only contain Japanese chars
Jun 20 14:36:37 <hrw|work> it has iso1 and japanese
Jun 20 14:36:44 <Laibsch> That is why I like it, just 100k instead of some Megabytes.
Jun 20 14:37:03 <hrw|work> 200K + 210K - two rotations
Jun 20 14:37:14 <hrw|work> no bold/italic at all
Jun 20 14:37:19 <Laibsch> yes, it can work as default font which is still necessary to use some of the Japanese input methods
Jun 20 14:37:54 <Laibsch> last comment related to iso1
Jun 20 14:41:16 <hrw|work> sure
Jun 20 14:41:21 <hrw|work> koen__: re?
Jun 20 14:41:50 <hrw|work> Laibsch: how much work is needed to get cjkv support for opie? I would like to add it in/after 3.5.4.1
Jun 20 14:42:22 <Laibsch> hrw|work: It is ready
Jun 20 14:42:26 <Laibsch> I use it.
Jun 20 14:42:34 <Laibsch> Japanese, that is.
Jun 20 14:42:41 <Laibsch> Do not know about Chinese.
Jun 20 14:42:49 <Laibsch> And Vietnames and Korean.
Jun 20 14:43:43 <Laibsch> Published stuff is at http://vbone.net/oz/
Jun 20 14:43:51 <hrw|work> Laibsch: if it show J then it should be able to show CKV too - isn't it?
Jun 20 14:44:07 <Laibsch> I would assume, but cannot guarantee.
Jun 20 14:44:25 <Laibsch> Take a look at my screenshot at http://leipzig.leggewie.org
Jun 20 14:45:38 <Laibsch> OK, something is wrong with my playground.
Jun 20 14:45:52 <Laibsch> I'll let you know where to look at a screenshot later.
Jun 20 14:45:56 <koen> hrw|work: what do you thing about 'fixing' libc.so inside OE?
Jun 20 14:46:12 <hrw|work> koen: #define fixing
Jun 20 14:46:35 <koen> hrw|work: make it work without having to edit it
Jun 20 14:46:40 <hrw|work> koen: btw - can you organize resetmonkey for ewi?
Jun 20 14:46:51 <hrw|work> koen: 'AS_NEEDED' stuff?
Jun 20 14:46:57 <Laibsch> hrw|work: AlexTe from http://vbone.net said he wants to push his stuff into OE soon.  And I have been contacted by a dev from openzaurus-ja today on how he can get his bb files into OE.  Expect something within the week, I'd guess
Jun 20 14:47:12 <hrw|work> Laibsch: great
Jun 20 14:47:12 <zecke> nice
Jun 20 14:47:17 <Laibsch> hrw|work: Look out for the strings pobox, anthy, uim, scim and nunome
Jun 20 14:47:20 <zecke> great is better
Jun 20 14:47:47 <hrw|work> but I will not delay 3.5.4.1 more to give it out-of-box
Jun 20 14:47:57 <Laibsch> hrw|work: I think that is OK.
Jun 20 14:48:19 <Laibsch> Anybody interested in this might know how to update after the release.
Jun 20 14:48:56 <hrw|work> exactly
Jun 20 14:49:29 <Laibsch> hrw|work: Unless you just take the published bb files from http://vbone.net/oz/ for nunome, qpobox and poboxserver.  They have been reviewed by quite a few people.
Jun 20 14:49:33 * chouimat is away: lunch
Jun 20 14:49:34 <Laibsch> hrw|work: Up to you.
Jun 20 14:49:46 <koen> put them in the bugtracker so they don't get lost
Jun 20 14:50:12 <hrw|work> Laibsch: it something is not in .dev then it does not exist for .oz354x
Jun 20 14:50:26 <Laibsch> OK
Jun 20 14:51:01 <Laibsch> koen: AlexTe said he was going to do that.  I don't want to interfere with his work.  Should I put them in?
Jun 20 14:57:14 <koen> hrw|work: mail to the monkey commander sent
Jun 20 14:57:25 <hrw|work> thx
Jun 20 14:58:08 <koen> hrw|work: have you thought about asking ltg to mirror OZ stuff?
Jun 20 14:58:11 <zecke> hrw|work: you killed my screen?
Jun 20 14:59:50 * CoreDump|wm06 cheers
Jun 20 15:00:21 <hrw|work> koen: not yet
Jun 20 15:01:31 * hrw|work want airconditioner or big vent...
Jun 20 15:01:45 <hrw|work> my brain just turned off from overheating
Jun 20 15:01:54 <zecke> hrw|work: move to the server room?
Jun 20 15:02:05 <zecke> at least our server room has AC :}
Jun 20 15:02:25 <hrw|work> zecke: our serverroom is ~2km from here
Jun 20 15:03:09 <hrw|work> and our local machine has so little room that noone fits there (30cm x 1m floor size)
Jun 20 15:03:39 <zecke> :(
Jun 20 15:03:52 <zecke> hrw|work: is the meeting room cooled?
Jun 20 15:04:10 <hrw|work> zecke: I have desktop machine not portable
Jun 20 15:12:19 <koen> hmm
Jun 20 15:12:31 <koen> the 'diff.module' for the OE is less than perfect
Jun 20 15:12:39 <koen> but it's better than nothing
Jun 20 15:13:04 <Laibsch> hrw|work: yesterday I sent some  screenshots to hh.org: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9720.png and http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9848.png in case you are interested.
Jun 20 15:17:04 <Laibsch> BTW hrw|work, CJKV has two aspects to it.  Input and display.  I would assume that OE/OZ is ready for display of CJKV if the correct font is there.
Jun 20 15:17:17 <hrw|work> Laibsch: I know
Jun 20 15:17:22 <Laibsch> There was nothing I needed to do in that respect.
Jun 20 15:21:00 <sirfred> Good evening.
Jun 20 15:22:51 <mithro> diff.module?
Jun 20 15:23:41 <koen> mithro: http://drupal.org/node/40414
Jun 20 15:25:14 <mithro> that still doesn't make much sense to me :)
Jun 20 15:25:50 <mithro> some how i started typing japanese in gnome-terminal, was pretty cool looking but not that useful
Jun 20 15:25:53 <koen> it enables stuff like http://www.openembedded.org/node/20/diff/136/135
Jun 20 15:26:07 <koen> so you can see change between revision
Jun 20 15:26:29 <mithro> ahh okay
Jun 20 15:26:35 <mithro> it's a website thing
Jun 20 15:26:42 <koen> the problem is that it displays the whole page instead of ~10 lines of context
Jun 20 15:28:36 <mithro> i guess that can be hard in html
Jun 20 15:32:39 <Laibsch> mithro: Are you interested in Japanese on OE/OZ?
Jun 20 15:33:05 <mithro> Laibsch: not at all :)
Jun 20 15:33:23 <mithro> my mum is a little intrested in Japanese on pocket PC
Jun 20 15:33:24 <Laibsch> you should be :-D
Jun 20 15:33:39 <Laibsch> Pocket PC is yucky!
Jun 20 15:34:04 <Laibsch> How did you manage to type Japanese?  You have a screenshot?
Jun 20 15:34:23 <Laibsch> mithro: Normally you need special input methods.
Jun 20 15:35:15 <mithro> Laibsch: she doesn't at the moment
Jun 20 15:36:05 <Laibsch> mithro: No, I meant this: "(17:42:25) mithro: some how i started typing japanese in gnome-terminal, was pretty cool looking but not that useful"
Jun 20 15:36:15 <CoreDump|wm06> =D
Jun 20 15:36:36 <mithro> Laibsch: i have no idea how I did it, it just happened
Jun 20 15:36:52 <mithro> but Japanese/Asian languages are pretty well supported under gnome these days
Jun 20 15:37:06 <Laibsch> Oh, you are talking about your desktop, right?
Jun 20 15:37:19 <Laibsch> Maybe you hit left-shift and space?
Jun 20 15:37:31 <Laibsch> That can be defined as a trigger.
Jun 20 15:37:47 <Laibsch> But there are others, too.
Jun 20 15:39:52 <hrw|work> cu
Jun 20 15:40:43 <mithro> Laibsch: yeah, i meant on my desktop
Jun 20 15:40:56 <mithro> Laibsch: why not work on getting Japanese support into GPE?
Jun 20 15:41:25 <Laibsch> mithro: That is what I am doing, ain't I? ;-)
Jun 20 15:41:37 <mithro> i thought that was opie?
Jun 20 15:42:05 <Laibsch> You need to compile the input methods.  I guess they work both on Opie and GPE.
Jun 20 15:42:26 <Laibsch> They are generally not specific to a Windowing system
Jun 20 16:01:45 <hvontres> it looks like the ewi server is down right now..:(
Jun 20 16:01:59 <hvontres> anybody have a clue when it will be back?
Jun 20 16:02:46 <zecke> hvontres: when the reset monkey, pushed the button
Jun 20 16:02:50 <zecke> hvontres: what do you need from ewi?
Jun 20 16:02:53 <hvontres> never mind, it is just VERY slow today
Jun 20 16:03:11 <zecke> hvontres: -j XX to compile oz3541
Jun 20 16:03:24 <hvontres> I wanted to check on some packages 
Jun 20 16:03:39 <zecke> hvontres: using what kind of service?
Jun 20 16:04:41 <hvontres> I was trying to run "ipkg update" on my Z and wget was timing out. Also, I am trying to look at it with my browser from my pc and it is very slow as well.
Jun 20 16:04:52 <zecke> ah okay
Jun 20 16:05:04 <zecke> yeah ewi is currently down, waiting for the reset monkey to push a button
Jun 20 16:05:26 <hvontres> thanks, will check back later.
Jun 20 16:08:55 <Gerrath> I want to build an external kernel module and see there is already, would the best method of buiding the module (many times during development) be to use the existing module class?
Jun 20 16:09:41 <Laibsch> Where can I read more about the meaning of numbers generally attached to qpf font file names?  For example, where is the difference between unismall_100_50.qpf and unismall_100_50_t10.qpf?  What do the 100 and 50 stand for in both files?
Jun 20 16:12:20 <Laibsch> I think I might have found something: http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/DejaVu_for_Opie/Qtopia
Jun 20 16:14:59 * chouimat is back.
Jun 20 16:20:28 <Gerrath> sorry, I just read my own posting and realized I miss typed half of it :)  Simple question:  What is the best way to build a kernel module in OE if you will be building it frequently (during module development)?
Jun 20 16:23:57 <lardman|work> Gerrath: bitbake -b /path/to/module.bb ??
Jun 20 16:25:03 <Gerrath> lardman|work, so make a meta file and use the module.bbclass functions. 
Jun 20 16:26:16 <lardman|work> Gerrath: Create a file which builds the module, such spca5xx.bb (though I'm trying to work out why this one doesn't actual produce anything)
Jun 20 16:27:13 <lardman|work> Gerrath: Use inherit module, and copy the do_compile and do_install from that file (for example)
Jun 20 16:28:15 <tmbinc> my automake based library results in a libname.so, libname.a and libname.la in the resulting (non -dev) package. I can see that this is wrong, but what's the correct way to fix that? (how do i produce a .so.1 and symlink?)
Jun 20 16:37:06 <Gerrath> lardman|work, thanks.
Jun 20 16:37:43 <lardman|work> Gerrath: You may get away without having the do_compile section
Jun 20 16:38:05 <lardman|work> The ratoc driver used to compile okay without needing it
Jun 20 16:38:12 <lardman|work> s/driver/module
Jun 20 16:42:56 <koen> has anyone tried busybox 1.1.3 yet?
Jun 20 16:44:11 <Laibsch> Is there a EASY way to create a symbolic link for all files $NAME-10.qpf and name those link $NAME-16.pqf?
Jun 20 16:45:57 <pH5> Laibsch: for *-10.qpf; do ln -s $f $(basename $f -10.qpf)-16.pqf; done
Jun 20 16:46:28 <Laibsch> Wow, that seems like magic.  I'll try to understand what it does.
Jun 20 16:46:30 <pH5> there's a "f in" missing after for
Jun 20 16:46:40 <Laibsch> Thanks pH5
Jun 20 16:46:41 <pH5> for f in *-10.qpf; do ln -s $f $(basename $f -10.qpf)-16.pqf; done
Jun 20 16:48:03 <pH5> koen: not yet. does it have the eabi problems fixed?
Jun 20 16:50:51 <koen> pH5: no idea
Jun 20 16:51:12 * koen notices http://kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=9b0e1c5dd2941aec566047e10a5cc929ca7f7d4f
Jun 20 16:51:29 <koen> pH5: it does have eabi support
Jun 20 16:51:58 <koen> combined with the recent gcc 4.1.1 patches...
Jun 20 16:57:37 <Laibsch> pH5: Unfortunately, that does not fully solve the problem.   And I can't find the answer in "info coreutils".  The filenames might be $NAME-10.qpf, but also $NAME-10-t50.qpf.  I would need links to $NAME-16.qpf and $NAME-16-t50.qpf
Jun 20 17:02:02 <lardman|work> night all
Jun 20 17:02:07 <pH5> Laibsch: how about ln -s $f $(echo $f | sed 's/-10/-16/')
Jun 20 17:02:19 <pH5> night lardman|gone 
Jun 20 17:02:40 <Laibsch> pH5: elegant.  Looks like it will do the job.
Jun 20 17:02:48 <Laibsch> I'll give it a shot.
Jun 20 17:04:54 * chouimat is away: nap
Jun 20 17:07:30 <Gerrath> if I just want to compile a module to copy over to a running system, I would just use do_compile in my .bb correct?  There would be no reason to use do_install() as well?
Jun 20 17:14:20 <hrw> hi
Jun 20 17:14:38 <woglinde> hi hrw
Jun 20 17:30:23 <Laibsch> Just got this while compiling, maybe you want to fix this, compilation seems to be possible: ERROR: opie-launcher-settings.inc:15: unparsed line: 'do_inl() {' while parsing /mnt/pfaffe/src/openembedded/org.openembedded.dev/packages/opie-launcher-settings/opie-launcher-settings_cvs.bb
Jun 20 17:32:54 <hvontres> zecke: How's that reset monkey donig?
Jun 20 17:33:40 <hrw> hvontres: I think that tomorrow we will get ewi back
Jun 20 17:33:40 <hvontres> Hi CoreDump
Jun 20 17:33:53 <CoreDump|home> hi there
Jun 20 17:34:11 <hvontres> Have you had a chance to play with RP's latest patches on poodle?
Jun 20 17:35:49 <CoreDump|home> which latest patches? I know he merged some but nothing new AFAIK
Jun 20 17:39:29 * chouimat is back.
Jun 20 17:39:46 <hrw> what do you think about oz-devel-qemu/vmware image?
Jun 20 17:40:49 <bioeng> Hey guys
Jun 20 17:40:49 <bioeng> Do you recommend working on OpenEmbedded if you are an EE student wanting to do power systems and embedded systems?
Jun 20 17:41:00 <CoreDump|home> hrw: wouldn't a LiveCD type thingy better?
Jun 20 17:41:28 <hrw> CoreDump|home: maybe - but I never used them
Jun 20 17:41:34 <ggilbert> Benefit to vmware is not needing to reboot
Jun 20 17:41:39 <CoreDump|home> neither did I =)
Jun 20 17:41:55 <CoreDump|home> ggilbert: drawback is its "speed" compared to the real host OS
Jun 20 17:42:02 <ggilbert> Downside is x86 only
Jun 20 17:42:48 <mickeyl> Laibsch: you know what. that japanese stuff is really great. it may opens a door into the japanese developer world which has unfortunately been more or less close until now
Jun 20 17:43:00 <mickeyl> with all the jap. zaurus folks doing their own thing
Jun 20 17:43:00 <ggilbert> I can't speak for qemu, but vmware at least doesn't have nearly as big a performance hit as you'd think :p
Jun 20 17:43:53 <Laibsch> mickeyl: I am sure it will.
Jun 20 17:44:05 <Laibsch> Did you read my message re tota from openzaurus-ja
Jun 20 17:44:23 <Laibsch> I think they have a bunch of stuff, but they only publish the ipk.
Jun 20 17:44:34 <Laibsch> I hope we get lots of contribs from them.
Jun 20 17:44:35 <bioeng> I'm really wanting to know if I should bother with OpenEmbedded
Jun 20 17:44:35 <bioeng> I'm just trying to break out of being a construction laborer
Jun 20 17:45:21 <mickeyl> Laibsch: excellent
Jun 20 17:45:46 <Laibsch> mickeyl: I hope that maybe I can bridge the two communities a bit.  This is certainly also a language issue.  PLus, one about culture.  Japanese are hesitant afraid of situations and people they do not know.
Jun 20 17:46:04 <Laibsch> hesitant and afraid
Jun 20 17:47:15 <Laibsch> mickeyl: Thanks for the thumbs up.  I am glad I can give back (while really doing it for purely selfish reasons only ;-))
Jun 20 17:47:22 <mickeyl> :)
Jun 20 17:47:52 <hvontres> anybody know of any how-to's on setting up kexec to switch between 2.6 and 2.4?
Jun 20 17:48:16 <hrw> hvontres: boot 2.6 then "kexec -l kernel;sync;kexec -e"
Jun 20 17:48:20 <Laibsch> bioeng: What exactly is your question?  If you have one of the supported devices, I think OE is certainly a good choice.
Jun 20 17:48:39 <bioeng> I don't have any embedded devices
Jun 20 17:48:59 <Laibsch> bioeng: Where does your interest in openembedded come from, then?
Jun 20 17:49:07 <bioeng> but I'd like to get into embedded as an EE specialization
Jun 20 17:49:10 <hvontres> hrw: where do you get the 2.4 kernel from?
Jun 20 17:49:27 <hrw> hvontres: from OZ?
Jun 20 17:50:19 <hvontres> hrw: Sorry, I meant where do I install the 2.4 kernel to?
Jun 20 17:50:38 <hrw> hvontres: anywhere in filesystem
Jun 20 17:50:51 <hrw> hvontres: it can even be famous /stuff/
Jun 20 17:51:05 <hvontres> Do I just copy over the zimage.bin file then?
Jun 20 17:51:17 <hrw> yes
Jun 20 17:51:30 <CoreDump|home> hvontres: copy it anywhere, really. It doesn't matter
Jun 20 17:52:01 <hvontres> ok. And can I use Altboot to keep my 2.4 setup on SD?
Jun 20 17:52:24 <CoreDump|home> that should work yes
Jun 20 17:52:33 <hvontres> Cool...:)
Jun 20 17:53:07 <hvontres> Probably should do a NAND Backup to be sure tho...:)
Jun 20 17:54:44 <kergoth> bioeng: OE is just a tool.  it's a useful tool for building and maintaining the linux distribution that you'll use on the target device.  that's all.  it isn't a very suitable development tool.  when you've got a device you want to run linux on, and have a kernel that boots on it, then grab OE and use that to produce a cohesive linux distro for it.
Jun 20 17:54:59 <kergoth> bioeng: until then, it isnt going to help you
Jun 20 17:58:36 <achim71000> hi
Jun 20 17:59:31 <achim71000> i have a problem with getting oe with monotone
Jun 20 18:00:16 <achim71000> if i try to checkout the development branch i get a note that my db is not up to date and i should try migration
Jun 20 18:00:43 <achim71000> did that but now it claims missing catalog
Jun 20 18:00:56 <woglinde> what version of monotone do you use?
Jun 20 18:01:00 <achim71000> stuck here, can someone help me fix this
Jun 20 18:01:01 <woglinde> which
Jun 20 18:01:04 <achim71000> 0.27
Jun 20 18:01:08 <woglinde> boing
Jun 20 18:01:12 <achim71000> tried 0.26 before
Jun 20 18:01:14 <woglinde> use 0.25 and you are fine
Jun 20 18:01:25 <achim71000> k i'll try than
Jun 20 18:01:25 <woglinde> no migration to the newer until now
Jun 20 18:02:55 <achim71000> aha i guess i did not read the note on the news carefully enought
Jun 20 18:03:00 <achim71000> thank you
Jun 20 18:30:08 <hvontres> ~seen RP
Jun 20 18:30:20 <ibot> rp is currently on #gpe (6d 8h 5m 26s) #oe (6d 8h 5m 26s) #openzaurus (6d 8h 5m 26s) #handhelds.org (6d 8h 5m 26s). Has said a total of 277 messages. Is idling for 6h 54m 3s, last said: 'The charge light is a better indicator'.
Jun 20 18:36:19 <Gerrath> When I build a module with the module.bbclass does the module source have to be in the kernel source tree or can it be external?
Jun 20 18:37:03 <hrw> can be external
Jun 20 18:40:58 * chouimat is away: really boring stuff
Jun 20 18:41:15 <Gerrath> hrw, if I'm just compiling the module "hello.ko" I should just the the do_compile() and not do_install() correct?  again I just want to compile it and manually copy it to the active system.
Jun 20 18:42:39 <hrw> Gerrath: iirc do_compile() should be enough
Jun 20 18:51:29 <hrw> tried vmware-player and decided to go back to qemu (with kqemu accelator)
Jun 20 18:54:59 <Gerrath> I'm trying to put together a very simple kernel module example: the typical "hello world", which I will post on the wiki when I'm done :)  Here is my Makefile: http://pastebin.com/721601 and .bb file: http://pastebin.com/721600  When I run "bitbake -b hello.bb -ccompile"  it seems to work but there is no output file. hello.ko or hello.o
Jun 20 19:04:09 <hrw> fsck..
Jun 20 19:04:22 <hrw> even qemu fails with sigsegv
Jun 20 19:05:45 <hrw> ~curse my home desktop machine
Jun 20 19:05:48 <ibot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, my home desktop machine !
Jun 20 19:07:18 <RP> hrw: It would be nice to know why qemu segfaults...
Jun 20 19:07:36 <hrw> RP: with or qithout kqemu?
Jun 20 19:08:04 <hrw> last try and I will give up
Jun 20 19:08:18 <hrw> btw - 2.6.17-ck1 stinks like 2.6.17-rc5
Jun 20 19:08:37 <hrw> or my desktop is toooo unstable
Jun 20 19:09:54 <hrw> I also suspect that qemu has problems with my 8 years old dvd drive as 'cdrom'
Jun 20 19:10:05 <RP> 2.6.17 seems fine on the Zaurus... :)
Jun 20 19:10:41 <RP> It sounds like your qemu issues aren't the ones I was thinking off (the ones FC users keep running into)
Jun 20 19:15:21 <hrw> FSCK!
Jun 20 19:15:54 <hrw> die qemu! die!
Jun 20 19:18:13 <woglinde> jo koen
Jun 20 19:19:29 <raduga> ~lart qemu
Jun 20 19:19:29 * ibot resizes qemu's terminal to 40x24
Jun 20 19:19:54 <hrw> I used 40x25 terminal few years ago
Jun 20 19:21:55 <hrw> over 2400 nullmodem link without even xon/xoff
Jun 20 19:23:20 <raduga> hrw: trs80 coco / 32x16  at 300 bps
Jun 20 19:23:32 <raduga> hrw: though, it was "quite a few" years ago
Jun 20 19:24:03 <hrw> raduga: I did that 5 years ago. c128d connected via nullmodem to my amiga
Jun 20 19:24:17 <raduga> and, hm. 40x25 on an HP48
Jun 20 19:24:45 <raduga> (which I thought was the most amazing handheld in the world, at the time ;)
Jun 20 19:24:45 <hrw> raduga: we used 2400 because we lacked terminal for c128 and had only c64 terms. first thing which we transfered was terminal for c128 so we got 80x25 and 9600
Jun 20 19:26:14 <raduga> hrw: *nod*
Jun 20 19:39:04 <hrw> raduga: not to mention fact that my first 2 years of internet was HP2623A terminal connected to sunos machine over 9600
Jun 20 19:43:14 <Crofton> Go England!
Jun 20 19:43:36 <woglinde> crofton hehe
Jun 20 19:44:00 <Crofton> I actually know little about football
Jun 20 19:45:02 * Crofton has tossed his all his 1200 and below modems
Jun 20 19:45:58 <Gerrath> ah, figured out my module issue :-)  the variable for the kernel source was pointing to the staging area and not the work area.  You need the work area since the raw source for the kernel is there :-)
Jun 20 19:47:09 <hvontres> ~curse Bill Gates
Jun 20 19:47:11 <ibot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, Bill Gates !
Jun 20 19:49:28 <hrw> Gerrath: no - you cannot rely on tmp/work
Jun 20 19:50:13 <Gerrath> hrw, I wonder why the tmp/staging does not compile the module?
Jun 20 19:52:21 <Gerrath> hrw, so then KERNELDIR=${STAGING_KERNEL_DIR} should be correct?
Jun 20 19:52:41 <koen> Gerrath: yes
Jun 20 19:53:55 <hrw> re after 2 reboots
Jun 20 19:59:19 <Gerrath> koen, when I set it to STAGING_KERNEL_DIR bitbake gives no errors during the compile but there are no files generated, if I point KERNELDIR to the tmp/work directory for the kernel then everything builds.
Jun 20 19:59:45 <Gerrath> koen, everything being hello.ko and hello.o
Jun 20 20:01:06 <hrw> koen: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/cpulimit
Jun 20 20:01:39 <Crofton> boo
Jun 20 20:02:43 <goxboxlive> is there a repo that have konquereror-embedded wich doesnt depends on libqte2?
Jun 20 20:04:02 <hrw> no
Jun 20 20:05:29 <goxboxlive> hrw: Ok, so you have to build opie without QT-mt otherwhise konquereror-embedded will not work? right?
Jun 20 20:06:05 <hrw> dont know - no .de build here
Jun 20 20:06:18 <goxboxlive> no thats right.
Jun 20 20:07:04 * Harvy is away: at the pub
Jun 20 20:30:33 <Crofton> yay!
Jun 20 20:30:55 <zecke> Crofton: finally connected?
Jun 20 20:31:03 <Crofton> heh
Jun 20 20:31:11 <Crofton> no watching England on google
Jun 20 20:31:14 <Crofton> :)
Jun 20 20:31:38 <Crofton> I have to write a report
Jun 20 20:32:09 <zecke> about that game?
Jun 20 20:32:21 <Crofton> no about some stuff I am working on
Jun 20 20:32:26 <hrw> someone know webapp (php preferred) which support read/write of ICal calendars?
Jun 20 20:32:29 <Crofton> no fun
Jun 20 20:32:50 <woglinde> php?
Jun 20 20:32:53 <hrw> I want to get rid 'calendar on imap via kmail' stuff
Jun 20 20:33:13 <hrw> ~lart kdepim for lack of kdepimd
Jun 20 20:33:13 * ibot judo chops kdepim for lack of kdepimd
Jun 20 20:33:55 <zecke> hrw: hula?
Jun 20 20:34:07 <zecke> hrw: I think only services for the mac support CalDav to store ical
Jun 20 20:34:12 <hrw> I had to remove kopete from session because it need kaddressbook access which need kmail running to get access to my 'contacts on imap via kmail' which means that I get kontact + kmail each time
Jun 20 20:34:27 <hrw> which suxx
Jun 20 20:34:46 <zecke> yupp
Jun 20 20:35:01 <zecke> hrw: I thought this kmail needs to be open thing was fixed
Jun 20 20:35:11 <zecke> hrw: but probably this was fixed by introducing kontact
Jun 20 20:35:16 <hrw> zecke: maybe in kde 5.0.3 but not in 3.5.3
Jun 20 20:35:37 <hrw> zecke: kopete start before kontact and launch kmail automatically
Jun 20 20:35:46 <ggilbert_> hrw:  yeah that was really really annoying
Jun 20 20:35:54 <ggilbert_> konversation used to do the same thing
Jun 20 20:36:18 <hrw> every desktop-enviroment suxx but kde suxx less
Jun 20 20:36:21 <hrw> but still suxx
Jun 20 20:36:36 <ggilbert_> Wasn't this something that was going to be looked at as part of kdepim4?
Jun 20 20:36:55 <zecke> ggilbert_: Anakondi, a PIM daemon
Jun 20 20:37:02 <hrw> running LDAP somewhere would be an option probably but I cannot run it
Jun 20 20:37:02 <ggilbert_> I could have sworn they were talking about pulling that sort of thing out of kmail and into a seperate daemon
Jun 20 20:37:05 <ggilbert_> yeah that thing
Jun 20 20:37:16 <zecke> hrw: guess what: Anakondi uses a IMAP like protocol
Jun 20 20:37:35 <hrw> zecke: imap like or imap?
Jun 20 20:37:35 <ggilbert_> hrw: In the end, I found the pim over imap thing just didn't work very well
Jun 20 20:37:42 <zecke> hrw: imap like
Jun 20 20:38:01 <zecke> well, I liked and liked the design of evolution
Jun 20 20:38:16 <zecke> the wombat, later e-d-s worked and were designed!
Jun 20 20:38:27 <hrw> ggilbert_: I do not have laptop to get my PIM data with me anywhere (PDA does not count) so I want to keep all PIM data in one place. currently imap-over-kmail is the only option
Jun 20 20:38:57 <ggilbert_> hrw: I just found that I'd remove something and it would magically reappear later on.
Jun 20 20:39:17 <hrw> ggilbert_: yep - that suxx too
Jun 20 20:39:44 <ggilbert_> My hope is for something like opengroupware that just doesnt suck
Jun 20 20:41:02 <ggilbert_> that and good syncing
Jun 20 20:42:27 <hrw> looks like I will be able to buy nice laptop rather then 'good syncing' will arrive
Jun 20 20:42:51 <ggilbert_> hehe
Jun 20 20:44:57 <CIA-13> 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * rd43467c2... 10/packages/python/ (python-pexpect_0.99.bb python-pexpect_2.1.bb): python-pexpect 2.1: update to latest version 0.99 -> 2.1
Jun 20 20:48:06 <zecke> hrw: get a n770, and demand syncing from o-hand.com :}
Jun 20 20:48:26 <ggilbert_> I'm tempted to pick up an n770
Jun 20 20:48:36 <ggilbert_> but I dont know if it would be useful
Jun 20 20:48:54 <ggilbert_> What I'd really like is a linux smartphone
Jun 20 20:49:08 <hrw> zecke: for 150% of n770 price I can get new lowend laptop - what will I choose?
Jun 20 20:49:26 <hrw> n770 is ~1600 pln brand new in Poland
Jun 20 20:49:29 <zecke> hrw: save the money
Jun 20 20:49:35 <ggilbert_> but not one of those motorola qpe things
Jun 20 20:49:46 <zecke> hrw: and buy something nice for ania (mis-spelled once again?)
Jun 20 20:50:07 <hrw> Ania
Jun 20 20:50:30 <incinerator> hi, is ewi546.ewi..... down atm?
Jun 20 20:50:56 <zecke> incinerator: dunno, it might still live
Jun 20 20:51:14 <zecke> guys, good nite
Jun 20 20:51:29 <hrw> n8 zecke
Jun 20 20:51:31 <ggilbert_> hmmm, what was that ipaq france was working on?
Jun 20 20:51:35 <incinerator> well, ping doesn't come back...
Jun 20 20:51:58 <zecke> ggilbert_: good question, one with a phone inside
Jun 20 20:52:11 <zecke> if we talk about the same thing
Jun 20 20:52:24 <kergoth> nokia 770 looks like a cool toy
Jun 20 20:52:29 <kergoth> but i dunno if itd actually be useful beyond that
Jun 20 20:52:31 <kergoth> heh
Jun 20 20:52:36 <zecke> hehe
Jun 20 20:52:39 <zecke> cya
Jun 20 20:52:44 <kergoth> not unlike the zaurus in that respect, actually :P
Jun 20 20:52:45 <RP> CoreDump|home: Is there anything in altboot that would mess around with the rtc?
Jun 20 20:53:08 <hrw> kergoth: when did you last time used your Z?
Jun 20 20:53:18 <CoreDump|home> Hmm, I don't remember messing with RTC
Jun 20 20:53:38 <kergoth> they're in my closet in minnesota.  i probably havent touched them since i was in texas.. and no much then
Jun 20 20:53:51 <kergoth> its been around, what, nearly a year since i was in texas
Jun 20 20:53:52 <kergoth> :)
Jun 20 20:54:27 <hrw> ;D
Jun 20 20:54:50 <RP> CoreDump|home: Ok, I'm just trying to rule out things. If altboot doesn't touch it, I'm beginning to wonder what does,,, :)
Jun 20 20:55:11 <hrw> RP: boot with "init=/bin/sh sh"?
Jun 20 20:56:00 <hrw> ~seen thejapa
Jun 20 20:56:15 <ibot> thejapa <n=thejapa@200-232-210-201.dsl.telesp.net.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 8d 20h 46m 25s ago, saying: 'JustinP: nvm, thanks anyway !'.
Jun 20 20:57:41 <_law_|iBook> :q
Jun 20 20:57:43 <hrw> ~seen ue
Jun 20 20:57:45 <ibot> ue <n=uE@d13.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 137d 20h 38m 7s ago, saying: ''night all'.
Jun 20 21:09:25 <hrw> re after another fscking reboot
Jun 20 21:09:53 <hrw> ~lart xfs for fsck.xfs == /bin/true
Jun 20 21:09:54 * ibot puts on some milking gloves.  "All right, now, xfs, this won't hurt a bit...." for fsck.xfs == /bin/true
Jun 20 21:10:44 <hrw> ~lart this machine
Jun 20 21:10:45 * ibot pries this machine's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to this machine
Jun 20 21:11:17 <hrw> tomorrow I will leave it with memtest86 for few hours - and it will pass.. cpu is not overheating but machine is failing
Jun 20 21:11:37 <hvontres> hrw: But Tell us, how do you realy feel about your machine :)
Jun 20 21:11:42 <woglinde> hrw hm harddisk check?
Jun 20 21:11:56 <woglinde> hrw memtest86 not always find errors
Jun 20 21:12:28 <hrw> woglinde: S.M.A.R.T tests passed
Jun 20 21:16:19 <hrw> hvontres: I dont like it but have to live with it
Jun 20 21:16:25 <bioengine> OK I'm back
Jun 20 21:16:44 <bioengine> Hey, would OpenEmbedded be a good project for someone interested in embedded systems as an EE specialization
Jun 20 21:16:55 <hrw> hvontres: no spare cash to replace it
Jun 20 21:16:56 <Crofton> probably
Jun 20 21:17:33 <Crofton> bioengine, it is a good way to produce sw for such systems
Jun 20 21:17:46 <hrw> bioengine: like you was told already: OE is buildsystem to generate linux based distributions. it does not cover hardware parts
Jun 20 21:17:59 <kergoth> nor does it cover porting the linux kernel to the device
Jun 20 21:18:19 <Crofton> bioengine, it is a good way to keep track of what work you have done
Jun 20 21:18:24 <hrw> porting linux to embedded device is #elinux iirc
Jun 20 21:18:56 <hvontres> Know the Feeling (dual PII  :) )
Jun 20 21:19:09 <bioengine> Oh
Jun 20 21:19:12 <Crofton> oe doesn't make embedded system easier
Jun 20 21:19:19 <Crofton> it just makes them repeatable
Jun 20 21:19:48 <hrw> hvontres: its quite fast machine (athlonxp 1.8GHz, 1G ram, 120G hdd) but unstable too much
Jun 20 21:19:59 <bioengine> I guess OE isn't on my skill level
Jun 20 21:20:07 <bioengine> It requires compiler theory and such
Jun 20 21:20:30 <hrw> bioengine: I'm core devel and know nearly nothing about toolchains internals
Jun 20 21:21:24 <bioengine> I'm trying to find a good software project for me to participate on as an electrical engineer
Jun 20 21:21:46 <bioengine> I was wanting to do embedded since that was closest to EE
Jun 20 21:21:56 <hrw> bioengine: PCB designer tools? Schematic designer tools? 
Jun 20 21:22:13 <bioengine> I don't know very much about embedded, and am trying to learn
Jun 20 21:22:34 <bioengine> I was not allowed to go somewhere where EE jobs were
Jun 20 21:22:47 <bioengine> so I'm trying to look at open source
Jun 20 21:24:16 <bioengine> Oh
Jun 20 21:24:25 <bioengine> I guess OE wasn't what I thought it was
Jun 20 21:24:28 <bioengine> Sigh
Jun 20 21:24:38 <bioengine> I just want to tell people at school that I have work experience
Jun 20 21:24:49 <bioengine> because they hammer that heavily
Jun 20 21:25:08 <bioengine> and I have to stay home to take care of my family
Jun 20 21:25:19 <bioengine> I can't go off hundreds of miles for a job
Jun 20 21:29:15 <hvontres> hrw: good luck getting your machine fixed :) Now get some sleep ;D
Jun 20 21:30:32 <bioengine> OK
Jun 20 21:30:39 <bioengine> Any comments before I leave?
Jun 20 21:30:51 <bioengine> I'd just like to find a project to work on to get me EE experience
Jun 20 21:30:53 <hrw> hvontres: to get it fixed I would have to get idea what need fixing first.
Jun 20 21:31:19 <hrw> EE sounds like hardware work for me. OE is software
Jun 20 21:31:24 <hrw> and I need sleep - cu
Jun 20 21:33:06 <bioengine> I need to get software experience
Jun 20 21:33:17 <bioengine> because so much of the EE program is software
Jun 20 21:42:26 <koen> EE rules
Jun 20 21:42:58 <bioengine> I agree koen
Jun 20 21:43:04 <bioengine> Are you an electrical engineer?
Jun 20 21:43:43 <koen> I did opt for "getting paid" instead of "getting credits" for my uni OE work
Jun 20 21:44:42 <bioengine> Are you an EE, koen?
Jun 20 21:44:52 <koen> not yet
Jun 20 21:45:56 <koen> time for food
Jun 20 21:45:56 <koen> later all
Jun 20 22:23:54 <CIA-13> 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r2ba8efd3... 10/packages/zroadmap/ (zroadmap_1.0.8.bb zroadmap_1.0.12.bb files/qt2-fixes.patch): zroadmap: upgrade 1.0.8 -> 1.0.12, take optional qte multithreading into account
Jun 20 22:24:07 <Laibsch> mickey|fifa2006: You're still working?
Jun 20 22:24:28 <mickey|fifa2006> just upgrading one package and then bed calls
Jun 20 22:24:35 <mickey|fifa2006> g'night :)
Jun 20 22:24:43 <Laibsch> Tosa's stuff can be gotten from http://openzaurus-ja.sourceforge.jp/index.php?tota
Jun 20 22:24:52 <Laibsch> I entered a few in the BTS.
Jun 20 22:24:55 <mickey|fifa2006> cool. i'll have a look at that. thanks
Jun 20 22:25:06 <Laibsch> MAybe you wanna take a look tomorrow.
Jun 20 22:25:08 <Laibsch> G'nite
Jun 20 22:30:13 * Harvy is back
Jun 21 00:21:24 <bioengine> Guys, I'd like to ask a few questions
Jun 21 00:21:36 <bioengine> Basically, what does OpenEmbedded do?
Jun 21 00:28:59 <bioengine> Hello?
Jun 21 00:29:46 <Laibsch> bioengine: read through the answers that you already received.  You asked the same question previously.
Jun 21 00:31:37 <bioengine> I apologize
Jun 21 00:32:00 <bioengine> I don't believe I asked what OpenEmbedded does before
Jun 21 00:32:06 <bioengine> but I could be wrong
Jun 21 00:35:29 <Laibsch> (23:34:23) hrw: bioengine: like you was told already: OE is buildsystem to generate linux based distributions. it does not cover hardware parts
Jun 21 00:36:23 <bioengine> OK
Jun 21 00:36:59 <bioengine> So you can use OpenEmbedded to create a Linux distro for an embedded device?
Jun 21 00:37:15 <Laibsch> yes
Jun 21 00:38:32 <bioengine> Does OpenEmbedded have libraries you can use in your Linux distro?
Jun 21 00:40:35 <ggilbert> How so?
Jun 21 00:41:55 <bioengine> Well...
Jun 21 00:42:03 <bioengine> I've never build a Linux distro before
Jun 21 00:42:20 <bioengine> Is it simple for embedded devices?
Jun 21 00:42:51 <ggilbert> Well, simple is relative :p
Jun 21 00:43:19 <bioengine> I apologize
Jun 21 00:43:29 <ggilbert> The openembedded stuff is fairly straight forward
Jun 21 00:43:46 <bioengine> It's just that all of this programming stuff is new to me
Jun 21 00:43:53 <ggilbert> But really, how complex building your distribution will be depends on what you need to do
Jun 21 00:45:25 <ggilbert> but building a distribution for a single embedded device will be far far easier than building Redhat
Jun 21 00:45:34 <bioengine> That's good to hear
Jun 21 00:45:42 <bioengine> I need to build my skills
Jun 21 00:46:28 <bioengine> What would be involved in general in building a Linux distro for an embedded device using OpenEmbedded?
Jun 21 00:47:16 <ggilbert> well you need to decide what you need
Jun 21 00:48:05 <ggilbert> and you need to get a kernel
Jun 21 00:48:44 <ggilbert> and you need to write  the packaging information for your custom applications
Jun 21 00:49:27 <ggilbert> Then you'll need to start tweaking  things so that the general packages in openembedded's repositories work the way you need them for your uses
Jun 21 00:51:55 <bioengine> So the kernel I write basically is the set of system functions?
Jun 21 00:52:04 <bioengine> Like copying from one place in memory to another?
Jun 21 00:52:12 <bioengine> Or executing a program?
Jun 21 00:52:34 <ggilbert> No, it's the code that makes linux work on the cpu you
Jun 21 00:52:37 <ggilbert> have chosen
Jun 21 00:52:46 <ggilbert> and has the drviers for the other hardware in your device
Jun 21 00:53:36 <bioengine> So OE is a Linux distro?  You just write drivers for it to interface with your hardware?
Jun 21 00:53:48 <ggilbert> sort of
Jun 21 00:53:59 <ggilbert> it's stuff to build a distro
Jun 21 00:54:27 <Laibsch> bioengine: Get OE and just try it out.
Jun 21 00:54:33 <bioengine> OK
Jun 21 00:54:47 <Laibsch> I think it will be faster that way for you to understand what OE is and what it is not.
Jun 21 00:54:49 <bioengine> Well, I'm installing Fedora this weekend when I should not have to help my dad
Jun 21 00:55:13 <bioengine> He's been having me a work a LOT, seven days a week, 10 hours a day
Jun 21 00:55:17 <Laibsch> Follow the steps on the GettingStarted page in the wiki.
Jun 21 00:55:24 <bioengine> Hopefully, I should start to get some time off
Jun 21 00:55:26 <bioengine> I'll do that
Jun 21 00:55:32 <Laibsch> Ok, bye
Jun 21 00:55:39 <bioengine> Thank you
Jun 21 00:55:42 <Laibsch> G'nite
Jun 21 00:55:45 <Laibsch> de nada
Jun 21 00:56:00 <Laibsch> Too late, I guess ;-)
Jun 21 00:56:21 <Laibsch> OK, now a question off my own.  Maybe there is an answer in the morning.
Jun 21 00:56:23 <Laibsch> I have fsck'ed the partition for OE, I have deleted tmp, deleted and checked out again org.openembedded.dev and bitbake.  Still, I get strange errors when compiling: http://rafb.net/paste/results/dXVlRR96.html  Anything broken in OE?
Jun 21 01:13:18 <Greg2> hello
Jun 21 01:19:40 <Greg2> i've been using .oz354x to build collie and poodle images... and learning how to modify/fix and make .bb files...
Jun 21 01:19:53 <Greg2> but i read in yesterdays logs that RP had recently made changes in .dev to improve the poodle kernel (against 2.6.17)
Jun 21 01:20:08 <Greg2> so i've checked out .dev, but i'm not sure how to edit my conf for this using .dev...
Jun 21 01:20:19 <Greg2> would it be DISTRO= ?openzaurus-unstable? and MACHINE_KERNEL-VERSION= ?2.6? ?
Jun 21 01:26:48 <Greg2> i guess everyone is asleep
Jun 21 01:27:00 <Greg2> good night all
Jun 21 01:46:36 * chouimat is away: Zzzz
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