**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jun 23 02:59:57 2006 Jun 23 05:46:29 moo Jun 23 05:55:37 ~seen koen Jun 23 05:55:50 koen was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 9h 7m 36s ago, saying: ''_' is illegal iirc'. Jun 23 05:58:53 I really wish the oe mailing list had the subject tags every other list seems to have :p Jun 23 06:00:06 ? Jun 23 06:00:35 kergoth disabled the [oe] addition to subject lines in mailman Jun 23 06:00:45 ah Jun 23 06:01:29 List-Id: OpenEmbedded Discussions Jun 23 06:01:51 Yeah, but that doesnt work when you're trying to visually sort stuff Jun 23 06:02:20 true Jun 23 06:02:31 use a better mail client ? :P Jun 23 06:02:40 i suggest sylpheed-claws Jun 23 06:03:12 only another thousand messages to go :p Jun 23 06:06:09 ouch Jun 23 06:14:01 turns out that a broken spam filter and a mail client that vibrates whenever you get mail is a bad combination Jun 23 06:47:00 hi, folks Jun 23 07:10:11 hey people Jun 23 07:10:32 hey Jun 23 07:12:25 good morning Jun 23 07:24:08 morning koen Jun 23 07:25:18 night all Jun 23 07:26:57 hi koen Jun 23 07:28:59 morning Jun 23 07:32:56 good morning all Jun 23 07:45:24 morning Jun 23 07:45:34 hi hrw|work, do13_ Jun 23 07:46:29 hey pH5, hrw|work Jun 23 07:49:53 grrrr Jun 23 07:50:07 I'm getting annoyed with the uni helpdesk reset monkeys Jun 23 07:50:21 how much freaking time does it have to cost to press a reset button? Jun 23 07:51:02 morning Jun 23 07:51:20 koen: windoze admins? Jun 23 07:51:41 I doubt they're admins at all Jun 23 07:54:05 <_law_> btw. could someone release mc 4.6.1 .bb file Jun 23 07:54:19 <_law_> simple renmae 4.6.0 to 4.6.1 should work Jun 23 07:57:25 yay! Jun 23 07:57:27 "With delivery courier as of: June 23, 2006 08:53" Jun 23 07:57:38 * koen waits for his a780 to get delivered Jun 23 08:00:44 koen: linux phone? Jun 23 08:00:52 XorA: yes Jun 23 08:01:11 port linux to my htc wizard Jun 23 08:14:31 ~curse clients Jun 23 08:14:34 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, clients ! Jun 23 08:14:48 _law_: post request in bugtracker? Jun 23 08:17:07 _law_: still not sorted out your login? Jun 23 08:17:55 <_law_> XorA, no :-( Jun 23 08:24:37 _law_: speak to koen while he is here Jun 23 08:31:42 hrw|work: does ltg work for you now? Jun 23 08:33:33 koen: now yes Jun 23 08:33:46 koen: LTG lack 'contact' page anyway Jun 23 08:34:51 morning all Jun 23 08:34:56 hey RP Jun 23 08:34:58 morning folks Jun 23 08:35:23 XorA: Did Liam figure out the input problem? Jun 23 08:35:42 RP: yes, the mute is missing from the mixer, alsa-lib appears to be hiding it Jun 23 08:36:01 RP: also your feed back problem is sidetone is set, unset it and it goes away Jun 23 08:36:05 hey Richard Jun 23 08:36:20 RP: he said he would try and email something today before he gets on plane Jun 23 08:36:34 XorA: ok, sounds good. At least we know what the problem is :) Jun 23 08:37:01 RP: only outstanding is speaker, see my email for latest on that Jun 23 08:37:19 XorA: I'll probably see Liam next week Jun 23 08:37:27 RP: cool Jun 23 08:37:38 XorA: I saw the email. Hopefully that one is something simple... Jun 23 08:37:39 RP: and I can always drop a c7x0 to him anytime he needs one Jun 23 08:38:42 * XorA crosses fingers as he hopes new modelines work Jun 23 08:39:47 XorA: Its handy to have you nearby :) Jun 23 08:48:49 RP: so it looks like we will get another kernel fix before release Jun 23 08:49:13 hrw|work: Which kernel fix? QVGA? Jun 23 08:50:08 RP: XorA sound problem fix Jun 23 08:51:07 hrw|work: The only issue is we're working against ASoC 0.10 instead of 0.10rc4. There have been a lot of changes to the code and I don't really want to put 0.10 in the release Jun 23 08:51:44 ASoC needs a fair bit of TLC before it'll match up to our current position Jun 23 08:55:09 aha ok Jun 23 08:57:26 hrw|work: you can always update to the latest and greatest Jun 23 08:59:47 * XorA sighs at the 9Gig VSS database Jun 23 09:00:03 9gig? That's VSS suicide.. Jun 23 09:00:37 Above about 3-4gb, tends to get database corruption, AFAIK Jun 23 09:00:53 NA|Zzz: well yes, the database loses metadata :-) Jun 23 09:01:13 NA|Zzz: but Im sending it to US to be never seen again so I dont give a damn Jun 23 09:01:20 XorA: Lucky you :) Jun 23 09:10:05 <_law_> is someone here who has mc installed on his Z? Jun 23 09:18:14 _law_: I Jun 23 09:18:41 <_law_> hrw|work, could you take a look at /usr/share/mc? are there any menu files? Jun 23 09:19:05 <_law_> hrw|work, i have created a new .bb file now they should also be installed.... Jun 23 09:19:11 yay Australia! Jun 23 09:21:29 lamikr: no - only extfs and syntax Jun 23 09:21:54 <_law_> hrw|work, http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1120 this should fix it Jun 23 09:22:23 <_law_> hrw|work, so with your version of mc the menu doesnt work or? (F2-Key) Jun 23 09:24:13 hrw|work: ltg contact page added Jun 23 09:24:37 _law_: exactly Jun 23 09:25:02 koen: thx Jun 23 09:34:07 koen: still no info about ewi from lab team? Jun 23 09:34:42 no :( Jun 23 09:35:10 ~lart windows Jun 23 09:35:10 * ibot send killer squirrels to attack windows Jun 23 09:51:33 RP: http://openzaurus.berlios.de/FAQ - look at last change Jun 23 09:55:55 ~kergoth Jun 23 09:55:57 well, kergoth is Chris Larson, an open source developer, often in the embedded Linux arena. Currently working for Computer Sciences Corporation in Scottsdale, AZ. Contact at kergoth@handhelds.org Core dev / architect on the BitBake, OpenZaurus, and OpenEmbedded projects. Maintainer of hte tslib project. Often the resident BOFH, an often an ass. Newbies and ... Jun 23 09:56:58 the locomo spi bits? Jun 23 09:57:31 yes Jun 23 09:57:48 now who was it... Jun 23 09:59:51 wpos12.physik.uni-wuppertal.de Jun 23 10:09:49 hrw|work: Amazing. I wonder where that came from... Jun 23 10:10:51 yay! Jun 23 10:10:53 a780 Jun 23 10:11:21 ah, the envy ;) Jun 23 10:12:10 RP: from someone who use ADSL from ameritech.net - thats all Jun 23 10:13:17 hello ! Jun 23 10:14:48 hrw|work: We probably don't want to know more. I wonder who's going to write a driver then? :) Jun 23 10:14:52 that the missing info? Jun 23 10:15:14 XorA: Not everything but its a start Jun 23 10:15:29 RP: cool, random spam can sometimes be useful Jun 23 10:15:56 XorA: atleast you can test does card is in a slot at all and do some misc things Jun 23 10:20:54 RP, hrw|work: there a more missing bits, there are different clock setting in the mode register Jun 23 10:21:47 do13_: sure - but does pavel know about it? Jun 23 10:22:11 I don't think so Jun 23 10:22:36 do13_: I was wondering about what the bits in the mode register did... Jun 23 10:23:34 kergoth: Might you be able to write a header file for the new driver? :) Jun 23 10:26:13 do13_: 'if something is impossible, find someone who does not know about it to make it done' - I do not remember exact quote and who told it Jun 23 10:29:24 hrw|work: http://www.do13.de/oz/temp/locomo.h Jun 23 10:30:06 thx Jun 23 10:30:08 ~locomo Jun 23 10:30:12 i heard locomo is a completely undocumented chip in the Sharp Zaurus Jun 23 10:33:16 hi Liam Jun 23 10:34:47 hey Liam Jun 23 10:35:15 hey liam Jun 23 10:37:12 hrw|work: some usefull initialisation: http://www.do13.de/oz/temp/loc.c Jun 23 10:42:10 hrw|work: I need to measure the different SPI clocks to calculate the timeouts and then can start writing a layer which transforms the sd/mmc comands into the spi mode Jun 23 10:44:09 do13_: I'd be happy to try and help with this driver if I can... Jun 23 10:44:45 do13_: Whats the status of the tosa patches atm btw? Is there any chance of anything getting into mainline in the current merge window? Jun 23 10:45:32 do13_: ok time to get back to work Jun 23 10:46:17 RP: I cleaned the keyboard. I'll submit this after a test. All other patches depend on the TC6393 patch. Jun 23 10:46:53 do13_: and tc6393 isn't ready yet? Jun 23 10:47:16 RP: Chris Humbert took this part. I'll contact him Jun 23 10:47:49 RP: http://oz.drigon.com/ Jun 23 10:48:44 RP: does the generic IRQ patch has been merged? Jun 23 10:49:52 do13_: I don't think its been sent to Linus yet Jun 23 10:50:23 do13_: A lot of the patches I've had queued have now gone in through including the zlib one Jun 23 10:51:12 RP: yeah. I read about the sharpsl-pm patch. Jun 23 10:51:52 I wondered whether to wait with that but decided we might as well merge it whilst the window was open. If we need further changes, we can submit a new one... Jun 23 10:52:02 RP: But this needs further work. I need motivation to support the external battery ;) Jun 23 10:52:47 do13_: I know. I wanted it in so Pavel would develop against it for collie... Jun 23 10:53:09 Try and keep him from submitting hatchet jobs ;-) Jun 23 10:54:42 do13_: I notice you've got patches to add qvga support for tosa. You'll notice people aren't happy about my proposal for the same on pxafb :-/ Jun 23 10:55:50 RP: I read rmk's mail Jun 23 10:58:50 RP: can we upgrade 2.6.17 to the latest ASoC? Jun 23 10:59:33 do13_: It doesn't work properly on spitz or corgi but yes, we can if you need it Jun 23 11:00:39 RP: It makes one tosa patch obsolete:) Jun 23 11:42:18 hello around... Jun 23 11:42:21 lrg: online? Jun 23 11:45:54 hey greentux Jun 23 11:46:04 hi greentux Jun 23 11:57:43 hi greentux Jun 23 11:57:52 hi hrw hi rp Jun 23 12:00:46 woglinde: hi Jun 23 12:06:24 hi rp Jun 23 12:24:29 do13_: can I post links to those locomo stuff with reply to pavel (and lkml)? Jun 23 12:27:52 hrw|work: Be carefull, I got this info with IDAPro Jun 23 12:28:07 ok will not then Jun 23 12:28:12 thx Jun 23 12:30:49 hrw|work: you can publish the defines, these are from sharp's 2.4 kernel Jun 23 12:31:34 I would prefer to forget that collie exist Jun 23 12:31:44 :) Jun 23 12:32:05 hrw|work: I think that driver is not something Pavel will write regardless of the info available Jun 23 12:32:26 RP: yep Jun 23 12:32:30 brb Jun 23 12:35:16 Heya, everyone. Jun 23 12:35:23 hi Pavel! Jun 23 12:35:26 hi pavel Jun 23 12:35:45 ha! Jun 23 12:35:47 hey Pavel Jun 23 12:35:54 hey pavel Jun 23 12:35:56 hi pavel Jun 23 12:35:59 he koen Jun 23 12:36:07 pavelm: Nice to see you here. Perhaps we can convince you to try OE one of these days :) Jun 23 12:36:07 Wow, there's a lot of people here :-) Jun 23 12:36:10 whats with the n770? Jun 23 12:36:19 Thanks for pointer for MMC stuff. Jun 23 12:36:32 RP: bitbake scares me, if that is what "OE" means ;-). Jun 23 12:36:44 RP: I have fairly old debian system here. Jun 23 12:37:14 q Jun 23 12:37:16 q Jun 23 12:37:24 list Jun 23 12:37:35 pavelm: OE is the metadata, bitbake the program that interprets it Jun 23 12:37:36 ! Jun 23 12:37:37 !ls Jun 23 12:37:38 pavelm: Don't know, don't care Jun 23 12:38:11 pavelm: the locomo register definition can be found in the 2.4 kernel headers Jun 23 12:40:11 Apparently I can't even use irc properly, oh well. Jun 23 12:41:23 ...if you think getting bitbake to run is possible within hour or two, I can certainly give it a try. Jun 23 12:41:23 pavelm cant you update your debian? Jun 23 12:41:54 ...but I do not even have proper arm development environment here. Jun 23 12:42:20 pavelm2: bitbake will build cross toolchain Jun 23 12:42:22 ...just old gcc, that can compile kernel if I workaround few bugs in it :-( Jun 23 12:42:23 pavelm2: OE/bitbake would give you an arm development environment Jun 23 12:42:56 okay, I see, so bitbake may be really nice to have. Jun 23 12:43:30 * RP -> food Jun 23 12:43:48 Updating this old debian is not as easy as it looks. Jun 23 12:44:11 ...I guess there's no chance to get around monotone-0.25 limitation? Jun 23 12:44:15 NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.17-r2: task do_build: completed Jun 23 12:44:43 pavelm2: monotone project provide static binary too Jun 23 12:44:50 hrw|work: NOTE: package linux-openzaurus-2.6.17-r3: task do_build: completed :) Jun 23 12:45:16 do13_: shit. I had feeling that I'm building obsolete stuff... Jun 23 12:45:42 pavelm2 why? Jun 23 12:46:02 hrw|work: I'll commit after test (only tosa related) Jun 23 12:46:09 pavelm2 edit sources.list with entries for the next stable Jun 23 12:46:19 apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade Jun 23 12:46:23 done Jun 23 12:46:32 than for next stable following Jun 23 12:46:39 until you are on the actual stable Jun 23 12:46:57 woglinde: I have many packages in the "held" state (don't know why), and am not sure how to get out of that state... Jun 23 12:47:12 pavelm2: use aptitude then Jun 23 12:47:16 woglinde: ...while keeping some packages that are not in debian distribution (almara), but I _need_ them. Jun 23 12:47:26 pavelm hm okay Jun 23 12:47:43 do13_: I hope that post will finally deliver me package with Zaurii or atleast paper from customs office about it... Jun 23 12:47:48 I use dselect since 10 years Jun 23 12:47:53 dont like aptitude Jun 23 12:47:59 ...thanks for aptitude hint. Jun 23 12:48:17 I checked out svn, and am now downloading aptitude. Jun 23 12:48:28 pavelm2: in Debian aptitude is most suggested as primary APT manager Jun 23 12:48:55 hrw only when you are not willing to read the help for dselect Jun 23 12:48:58 *g* Jun 23 12:49:06 woglinde: dselect... aRGh! Jun 23 12:49:15 hrw dselect rockz Jun 23 12:54:00 is there anything special (config-wise) that needs to be set if I want to build OE for a PXA270 with glibc? I've been using uclibc and want to switch to glibc. I changed the OS to Linux, is that it, do I need to configure glibc at all? Jun 23 12:55:07 Gerrath: set distro to one of glibc ones and start build Jun 23 12:55:32 hrw|work, can you recommend a bare minimum distro? Jun 23 12:55:44 bootstrap Jun 23 12:55:53 oh Jun 23 12:56:00 dontmix dsitribution and image Jun 23 12:56:33 gerrath try angstroem and build bootstrap-image Jun 23 12:57:19 Gerrath: distro='generic'? Jun 23 12:58:39 if I change the distro it will have to recompile the cross tools again correct? Jun 23 12:58:44 Okay, I attempted to install monotone from .deb. It failed on dependencies, so I'm downloading them now. Jun 23 12:58:52 glibc<>uclibc is bit difference Jun 23 12:59:12 pavelm2: which version of debian you have? etch? sarge? Jun 23 12:59:39 pavel be ware that you need monotone 0.25 Jun 23 13:00:00 hrw: I'm afraid it is "Pavel's Debian Broken" :-( Jun 23 13:00:06 hrw|work, yes I started off with uclibc but I was having some issues with file sizes and when I did some searching I found that this sometimes happens with uclibc if not configured right for the pxa so I thought since I had the space I would switch to glibc. Jun 23 13:00:10 potato :-=) Jun 23 13:00:15 ...but monotone now works Jun 23 13:00:34 This is what I have in sources.list: Jun 23 13:00:35 deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free Jun 23 13:00:35 deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main contrib non-free Jun 23 13:00:42 ...but I was not able to do full update recently. Jun 23 13:00:55 XorA: hamm Jun 23 13:01:51 ...uhuh: OE.db.bz2 is _big_. ETA: 51 minutes. Jun 23 13:02:18 hrw|work: potato was when I upgraded my RH4 to Jun 23 13:02:32 s/when/what/ Jun 23 13:02:43 pavelm2: 'monotone pull' from scratch ETA: week or two Jun 23 13:02:50 urgs testing Jun 23 13:03:07 you should only use testing or unstable when you know debian to the heart Jun 23 13:03:24 XorA: my first debian was slink which I upgraded to potato/unstable Jun 23 13:03:43 hm first was rex Jun 23 13:03:49 woglinde: really? Debian 'unstable' from beginning Jun 23 13:03:49 hrw|work, I had even more issues with glibc or at least a load of error messages when I booted my system. However now I wounder if it was because all my apps were originally compiled with uclibc and when I changed the libraries bitbake did not rebuild the other apps. I will blitz all apps and do a fresh build :-) Jun 23 13:04:00 hrw: how much do I have to download to get bootstrap image compiling? Jun 23 13:04:10 Gerrath: glibc<>uclibc need new builddir Jun 23 13:04:17 hrw: I'm on quite a slow line and have to leave in hour and half... Jun 23 13:04:33 ok, so rm -rf stuff/tmp :-) Jun 23 13:04:35 pavelm2: you will not fetch all in that time probably then Jun 23 13:04:41 hrw I use unstable for over 7 years and I know how to fix things or wait if they fixed Jun 23 13:04:47 Gerrath: DL_DIR is outside of tmp? Jun 23 13:04:56 yes. Jun 23 13:05:30 hrw|work, I figured I was safe to keep the download files (original source). Jun 23 13:05:38 yes Jun 23 13:07:07 Gerrath: ~/devel/sources/dl_dir is 1-2G on my system (another 1-2G in devel/sources/cvs_dir) Jun 23 13:08:37 hrw: Okay, that's lot of data... few nights over EDGE, or perhaps I should just visit the university :-). Jun 23 13:09:04 pavelm2: visit uni and start 'bitbake -cfetch your targets' Jun 23 13:10:16 hrw|work, yeah if I don't delete that directory the build is much quicker :-) Jun 23 13:10:30 hrw|work, even with a cable modem ;-) Jun 23 13:12:34 ~lart debian 'mc' maintainer Jun 23 13:12:34 * ibot blasts debian 'mc' maintainer to oblivion with a kamehameha wave Jun 23 13:13:06 ibot: repeat Jun 23 13:13:08 [repeat] probably If nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg apt ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask me about "rephrase", or ask smart questions Jun 23 13:13:21 ;P Jun 23 13:16:08 btw is there any work on getting OE to run on some phones? Jun 23 13:16:24 I know Harald is happily hacking on motorolas... Jun 23 13:16:40 And I'll need a new phone in near future. Jun 23 13:17:45 oe runs on the mda4 and ipaq h6300 and can make calls as well Jun 23 13:17:46 pavelm2: Harald use OE Jun 23 13:17:57 s/oe/oe built distros/ Jun 23 13:18:32 oe: Nice! Jun 23 13:18:46 oe: Mda4 is that notebook-style umts-capable beast? Jun 23 13:18:52 yes Jun 23 13:19:15 its big and expensive, but I guess it is worth it. Jun 23 13:20:00 ...does it have any reasonable standby time? After getting it to make calls/receive calls, I guess powermanagement is next important thing... Jun 23 13:20:12 no idea, I only have an a780 Jun 23 13:20:57 koen: and do you have custom software on it? :-) Jun 23 13:21:21 koen: you got your a780? Jun 23 13:21:44 not yet Jun 23 13:21:52 do13_: yes Jun 23 13:22:06 the stock OS sucks Jun 23 13:22:21 I'm tempted to go back to my siemens s55 Jun 23 13:22:55 koen: no MDA2 yet though :-( Jun 23 13:24:43 Hmm, if s55 is better than that, it has to suck a lot :-( Jun 23 13:25:00 the a780 can't: Jun 23 13:25:05 1) have bt on all the time Jun 23 13:25:14 ...but I guess that is good... this way, you at least have reason to hack it ;-). Jun 23 13:25:15 2) enable gprs via bt at commands Jun 23 13:25:22 3) parse vcards Jun 23 13:25:32 4) save incoming data Jun 23 13:26:09 Okay, yes I see that sucks. Jun 23 13:26:20 1+2) means it sucks pretty badly. Jun 23 13:26:52 and 5) sync with iSync Jun 23 13:27:23 strange, Andrea Arcangeli actually liked that phone. Jun 23 13:27:56 pavelm2: some people like even nokia phones Jun 23 13:28:16 the OS does suck a little less as the non-linux motorola OS Jun 23 13:28:48 nrw: Well _I_ like nokia phones. Jun 23 13:29:09 hrw: Actually I hate nokia 6230 I have here -- its ui is absolutely horrible Jun 23 13:29:23 hrw: but they get the technologies right, at least... Jun 23 13:49:22 RP: Im a little puzzled by your email, are you saying on your Z speaker never turns off? Jun 23 13:53:31 XorA: On the build I did, it never did. Was is always off for you? Jun 23 13:55:34 If I have a working copy of the metadata how can I figure out which monotone db it came from? Jun 23 13:55:48 Crofton_|laptop: cat MT/options Jun 23 13:55:56 thanks! Jun 23 13:56:35 here I was poking around in . files ... Jun 23 14:00:19 RP: yes, its always off for me Jun 23 14:01:52 XorA: So it looks like it adopts a value, then stays as that... Jun 23 14:02:28 RP: yeah, Ill bet your Spk was on before reflashing, mine was off Jun 23 14:02:53 XorA: Did you have heaphones plugged in? Jun 23 14:02:59 RP: always do Jun 23 14:03:06 Thats the difference Jun 23 14:03:35 probably whilst booting will be deciding factor Jun 23 14:03:41 so basically SOC layer is as I suspected never calling the function to set speaker state either way Jun 23 14:04:42 looks like it. Liam knows that voodoo better than me... Jun 23 14:04:56 RP: yeah, that was basically the debug he asked me to do Jun 23 14:05:28 RP: I might stick some pins in on Sat, but its scary voodoo Jun 23 14:06:08 XorA: I wrote some of it but I can't remember what it all does :) Jun 23 14:06:33 * hrw|work is learning .nl with recent fixes... Jun 23 14:06:52 "Voornaam Achternaam" and such in web forms.. Jun 23 14:08:05 w100fb is slow when it comes to scrolltext :( Jun 23 14:08:40 hrw|work: There is a way we can speed that up. Needs time spending on it though :-/ Jun 23 14:09:06 hi all Jun 23 14:10:17 * hrw|work want ewi... Jun 23 14:10:46 my Z has too much fscked image Jun 23 14:16:56 hi CosmicPenguin Jun 23 14:23:02 Sorry, I have to go... Jun 23 14:23:10 Bye! Jun 23 14:23:23 pavelm2: bye! Jun 23 14:24:37 will he back or not.. Jun 23 14:25:02 hrw|work: we'll see :) Jun 23 14:25:14 Was that pavel I thought it was? Jun 23 14:25:25 or rather, I think it is? Jun 23 14:25:54 CosmicPenguin: yes Jun 23 14:26:35 heh - that was probably a pretty fun conversation Jun 23 14:27:10 Not an awful lot was said. I think we were all in shock :) Jun 23 14:27:32 He did seem to be thinking of trying OE/bitbake again Jun 23 14:32:35 Who is pavel? Jun 23 14:35:39 Crofton_|laptop: Pavel Machek - guy who hack 2.6 for collie (zaurus sl-5500) a bit Jun 23 14:35:47 ah Jun 23 14:36:00 name rings a bell for other reasons I think Jun 23 14:36:30 Crofton_|laptop: He's around on LKML Jun 23 14:36:47 ah Jun 23 14:37:14 http://pastebin.com/727469 Jun 23 14:37:39 A friend is trying to get started with OE and he is being told his installed version of autoconf doesn't work Jun 23 14:37:41 He also maintains one of the software suspend mods Jun 23 14:38:03 crofton debian? Jun 23 14:38:58 CosmicPenguin: a yes... swsusp in-kernel one Jun 23 14:39:21 and he is main blocker of swsusp2 merge iirc Jun 23 14:40:21 autoconf 2.13 :) Jun 23 14:40:28 ok, that is where I have seen the name Jun 23 14:40:32 Crofton_|laptop: o fsck.. old stuff Jun 23 14:40:35 yeah Jun 23 14:40:41 ~lart debian users Jun 23 14:40:41 * ibot whips out a shotgun, trudges over to debian users, and goes postal Jun 23 14:51:16 ~seen koen Jun 23 14:51:27 koen is currently on #oe (1h 38m 54s) #openezx (1h 38m 54s) #openslug (1h 38m 54s). Has said a total of 25 messages. Is idling for 1h 23m 11s, last said: 'the OS does suck a little less as the non-linux motorola OS'. Jun 23 14:53:58 cu Jun 23 14:55:32 koen: Do you think we should all e-mail the Resetmonkeys and tell them to just push the damn reset button allready? Jun 23 14:55:56 hvontres|work: that won't work Jun 23 14:56:10 that will only get the machine removed from the lab 'by accident' Jun 23 15:08:41 has anyone seen the build of automake fail on debian because it cant open /dev/null.tmp? Jun 23 15:09:31 jasuris yes Jun 23 15:09:37 its an old bug the fixed it Jun 23 15:09:57 than in the newer automake upstreams Jun 23 15:10:03 it is sneaked in Jun 23 15:10:12 hm damnit Jun 23 15:10:21 cant explain it good enough Jun 23 15:11:40 so newer version of automake will fix it? Jun 23 15:13:09 I think he wanted to say that the version between the new and the old one with the bug is the right one cause in the new one the bug of the old one is back Jun 23 15:14:45 "bug is back" :-) Jun 23 15:15:22 so is there a work around? can i skip the check in the configure script? Jun 23 15:17:03 koen: So have the reset monkeys told you when they might be nice enought to get the machine back up? Jun 23 15:17:20 One week should be enough time ;( Jun 23 15:17:37 the ticket for the helpdesk was filed yesterday Jun 23 15:18:37 koen: Thanks. Jun 23 15:19:13 ~lart xserver-kdrive Jun 23 15:19:13 * ibot calls xserver-kdrive on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home Jun 23 15:19:58 found a new way to kill kdrive, just run dillo Jun 23 15:27:47 jasuris:I am not involved in that oe stuff(I am a newbee and user only), but I think it could help to change the PREFERRED_VERSION variable in that way that there is a smaller version number. But I have no guess where to find the file in which the variable for automake is set. Jun 23 15:28:25 thanks Jun 23 15:30:33 hi Jun 23 15:30:49 RP: woo woo, new ASOC :-) Jun 23 15:32:20 jasuris:Yesterday I have lerned something about a PV variable which influences the PREFERRED_VERSION thing in some case if it is not set but I didn't get it. Jun 23 15:34:20 I think jasuris's problem is with automake in the hst Jun 23 15:34:27 so messing with PV won't help hum Jun 23 15:35:34 when I had auto{something} fail on debian, I had to upgrade to unstable version of that package, then it worked again Jun 23 15:36:20 But isn't it a oe specific thing which version of automake is used? Jun 23 15:36:37 mr_nice_slacker: not when you are build auto* for first time Jun 23 15:37:12 mr_nice_slacker: there is a basic set of host tools needed to bootstrap the OE environment Jun 23 15:38:04 Somebody should make a .bb for this: http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=sugar;a=summary Jun 23 15:40:48 hopfuly jasuris have read this and don't mess his time cause of my stupidess ;) Jun 23 15:49:26 does anyone knows if zecke is usaly online on weekends? Jun 23 15:52:55 the question is "When is zecke not online?" Jun 23 15:52:58 :) Jun 23 15:57:46 Crofton: I guess the answer is "now", in that case. Jun 23 15:58:43 Does the OE build environment normally build .ipk's for all locales? If not, how do I tell it to build for a specific locale only? Jun 23 15:59:26 yes, it does Jun 23 16:05:59 KerwoodDerby: Are you after to stop the ipk being generated or avoid qemu? Jun 23 16:06:18 If the latter, http://www.rpsys.net/openzaurus/temp/glibc_limit_locale-r1.patch. Its not exactly stable code though which is why it isn't in OE yet Jun 23 16:06:23 qemu is only an issue building glibc Jun 23 16:06:36 all other applicatians with locales don't need qemu Jun 23 16:06:57 RP: Neither, really. I just thought I had misconfigured something and caused a lot of unneeded .IPKs to be built. Jun 23 16:07:04 koen: true Jun 23 16:07:18 KerwoodDerby: Sorry, I misread you question :) Jun 23 16:10:48 hi ph5 Jun 23 16:11:16 hey pb_ Jun 23 16:20:05 pb_, is it some kinid of Holiday in EU? Jun 23 16:23:00 Crofton: It might as well be if your country's team is on the field Jun 23 16:23:14 heh Jun 23 16:23:25 or you are a football fan Jun 23 16:23:40 the international students have been huddling around computers here Jun 23 16:24:22 I'm not a football fan, but on IRC we must make allowances... Jun 23 16:25:59 Crofton: no, but it is nearly 6pm on a Friday afternoon Jun 23 16:26:15 this is true Jun 23 16:26:23 good to see OE devs have real lives Jun 23 16:26:48 the rest of you have real lives? Jun 23 16:27:03 yay Garmin just broke $100! Jun 23 16:28:11 What is this "real life"? Sounds scary... Jun 23 16:31:20 RP: i think its related to the big blue room that these windows open into Jun 23 16:32:17 morning kergoth Jun 23 16:57:19 kergoth: They invented curtains for a reason ;-) Jun 23 16:57:32 hehe. this is true Jun 23 16:58:12 Big blue room? I don't mind the big black room, but said blue room is a little too bright for us serverroom dwellers.. Jun 23 17:01:55 Are the following warnings/NOTES typical when you build glibc: http://pastebin.com/727675 Jun 23 17:09:25 hey RP you got a second? Jun 23 17:11:54 hi cbrake :-) Jun 23 17:12:28 mithro: If its quick Jun 23 17:12:57 can you go to www.thousandparsec.net/forum/ and tell me if the pages are loading slowly Jun 23 17:14:29 mithro: very very slowly Jun 23 17:14:36 hrm... Jun 23 17:14:39 i can't figure out why Jun 23 17:14:50 is www.thousandparsec.net slow? Jun 23 17:15:10 mithro: faster but still slow Jun 23 17:15:34 * mithro ponders Jun 23 17:15:43 is http://www.oesources.org/source/current working? Jun 23 17:16:25 what ping times are you getting to it? Jun 23 17:16:43 um Jun 23 17:16:46 it isn't Jun 23 17:17:16 shoudl I wack it from local.conf then? Jun 23 17:17:46 Crofton: that url works overhere Jun 23 17:18:10 [balister@localhost ~]$ ping www.oesources.org Jun 23 17:18:10 PING oesources.org (192.216.230.225) 56(84) bytes of data. Jun 23 17:18:14 nothing ..... Jun 23 17:18:33 icmp blocked at the firewall? Jun 23 17:18:55 maybe url works Jun 23 17:19:56 a friend is having problems with fetches stalling constantly building bootstrap-image Jun 23 17:20:04 mithro:pinging times are ok (168ms) look at the phpinfo and the memory_limit variable Jun 23 17:20:44 how about now? Jun 23 17:21:11 mithro: Seems much better Jun 23 17:21:28 mithro: now it is fast Jun 23 17:21:29 * mithro beats darcs with a stick Jun 23 17:21:35 was using up 80% of the ram Jun 23 17:21:36 * RP -> afk Jun 23 17:32:07 Crofton: if it's hitting oesources, it means the primary download failed Jun 23 17:32:24 ok Jun 23 17:32:41 I am just trying to figure out why his downloads seem to cause trouble Jun 23 17:32:49 sounds like he interupts and restarts bitbake Jun 23 17:33:50 basically, I need to finish some stuff and go over and look at what is happening Jun 23 17:36:01 is someone of oe involved in this page (armlinux.simtec.co.uk)? I find the page realy helpful! great site! Jun 23 17:36:20 special that kautobuild thing Jun 23 17:40:07 Is there something like that for oe? Would be too cool to have something similar! Jun 23 17:40:36 yes, but it's on ewi546..... Jun 23 17:44:26 koen:well, now I understand why there are so many request on getting the ewi rebooted :) Jun 23 18:28:21 hi zecke :) (caution by answering I will ask endless things about 2.6 kernel) Jun 23 18:28:39 hail zecke Jun 23 18:31:16 Crofton here Jun 23 18:31:24 looking at a build in jasuris machine Jun 23 18:31:32 looks like the location for fakeroot moved Jun 23 18:32:27 hey Jun 23 18:32:39 build ran trhough debian mirrors then got it from oesources Jun 23 18:32:41 mr_nice_slacker: not now :) Jun 23 18:33:22 this network sux0rs large wget's fail Jun 23 18:33:27 zecke:np Jun 23 18:33:43 zecke:just tell me when you have some time Jun 23 18:34:21 mr_nice_slacker hehe, well now I just returned from a one-day-trip Jun 23 18:39:43 zecke:drop me a line if you have time - it is not that pressing Jun 23 18:39:57 thanks Jun 23 18:40:33 zecke:the one that must thank anybody isn't you -it's me. Jun 23 18:41:03 mr_nice_slacker: I was too busy to jtag my SIMpad, so I gave it to a friend... Jun 23 18:41:11 mr_nice_slacker: it is not set returned :) Jun 23 18:41:15 as he is busy as well Jun 23 18:43:00 zecke:hehe Jun 23 18:43:21 viva la france :) Jun 23 18:46:44 zecke:est ce que tu es un fan? Jun 23 18:47:40 mr_nice_slacker: I do not want them to lose again Jun 23 18:47:55 mr_nice_slacker: zidanne should play at least one more match Jun 23 18:48:49 zecke:as I have no clue about soccer I will just agree you Jun 23 18:55:47 woglinde: http://www.uberphones.com/2006/06/motorola/motorola_unveils_dvbh_phone_prototype/ Jun 23 18:56:48 woglinde: http://www.mobileblog.it/post/1513/motorola-dvb-h-demo Jun 23 19:00:33 zecke Jun 23 19:02:09 zecke its only a prototype Jun 23 19:02:22 prototype can be vast really fast Jun 23 19:04:02 anyone recommend any rfid kits? Jun 23 19:04:25 kit? Jun 23 19:05:05 development kit.. basically a programmer and some tags and such. i remember seeing one but i can't find it Jun 23 19:05:29 mom Jun 23 19:06:04 http://openmrtd.org/ Jun 23 19:06:06 maybee Jun 23 19:07:06 pb_: master, could you consider to stop using 'uber'? Jun 23 19:07:31 zecke: of course Jun 23 19:07:35 :) Jun 23 19:07:53 pb_: my 'colleagues' make fun out of it Jun 23 19:07:59 heh Jun 23 19:08:15 that is unfortunate Jun 23 19:08:24 zecke what? Jun 23 19:09:04 woglinde: ? We have a new Stallman poster in front of the spline Jun 23 19:09:32 woglinde: "Using vi (a free one) is not a crime, just a penance" :) Jun 23 19:09:48 vi...yuk Jun 23 19:10:12 yeah, use vim Jun 23 19:10:13 bam_: I have switched away from (x)emacs somehow... Jun 23 19:10:24 bam_: emacs-client wasn't feasible Jun 23 19:10:48 woglinde: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/0596002874/028-4543407-7271708?v=glance&n=573634 Jun 23 19:10:56 woglinde: I think I will get this one Jun 23 19:13:25 zecke hm Jun 23 19:16:24 woglinde: yes? Jun 23 19:16:32 hm Jun 23 19:16:44 woglinde: to summarise our conversation: 2x hm, 1x what, 1x 'void' Jun 23 19:16:49 woglinde: hm? Jun 23 19:18:14 sleep(90) Jun 23 19:20:14 Nur noch 2 Stück verfügbar Jun 23 19:20:20 hihi Jun 23 19:21:20 hm should we include opentom in oe? Jun 23 19:21:36 http://opentom.org/Main_Page Jun 23 19:22:29 woglinde: sure, why not? Jun 23 19:23:30 hm has someone yet included the msp patches? Jun 23 19:24:53 woglinde: :} Jun 23 19:25:03 woglinde: get me more time, or just kick me to test them Jun 23 19:25:47 I should kick you in the neds? dont beg that out of me i couldnt do it Jun 23 19:28:06 fun 764 revs to get on my main machine :} Jun 23 19:28:28 pb_: how to build debian packages manually? Jun 23 19:28:50 zecke: dpkg-buildpackage Jun 23 19:29:12 ./debian/rules binary Jun 23 19:29:16 does mostly the same Jun 23 19:29:30 but dpkg-buildpackage ist prefferd Jun 23 19:29:52 pb_: that works without a debian package? Jun 23 19:30:08 Once again I make myself perfectly clear :} Jun 23 19:30:17 hehe Jun 23 19:30:19 mom Jun 23 19:30:23 * pb_ confused now Jun 23 19:30:35 I will show you the line from the new deb maintainer guide Jun 23 19:30:36 zecke: I'm not sure I understand what you mean Jun 23 19:31:11 pb_: I would like to judge the effort needed to create a package_dpkg.bbclass Jun 23 19:31:13 http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-first.de.html#s-dh_make Jun 23 19:31:31 zecke: oh, you mean you want OE to make .deb packages? Jun 23 19:31:57 pb_: yes, I wonder if cp ipk deb is doing the trick, or if I need to make some other things Jun 23 19:32:23 fundamentally, cp ipk deb is all you need Jun 23 19:32:47 dpkg will install those packages just fine Jun 23 19:33:26 pb_: what about 'architectures' of dpkg? Jun 23 19:33:47 http://blog.nemonoid.org/articles/2006/06/13/gp2x-gpe-alpha-release Jun 23 19:34:00 zecke: ah yes, it's a bit more fussy Jun 23 19:34:11 you'd need to prevent $MACHINE and so on from turning up in PACKAGE_ARCH Jun 23 19:34:16 koen yeah I saw this Jun 23 19:34:36 pb_: that is evil :( Jun 23 19:35:39 pb_: From my impression: dpkg has a fixed list of architectures it knows about, it has no meaning of 'offline' installing of packages? Jun 23 19:35:45 right Jun 23 19:36:36 pb_: so basicly, debian sucks donkey ass and everyone should use SUSE 12.23? Jun 23 19:36:53 basically Jun 23 19:38:58 hmm, too bad Jun 23 19:39:16 zecke why you will make .deb? Jun 23 19:39:24 hi thejapa Jun 23 19:39:42 woglinde: I would like to use aptitude on my Shark Jun 23 19:39:44 woglinde: hi! Jun 23 19:40:03 woglinde: and I refuse to fight with debootstrap to get a Debian ARM Jun 23 19:41:29 zecke put your shark in the state of that you can do nfs and chroot Jun 23 19:41:57 than mount the debootstrap dir via nfs chroot and do the last steps for configure basic debian Jun 23 19:42:13 than you can even use dselect Jun 23 19:42:24 woglinde: debian should just remove the arch flag from debootstrap Jun 23 19:42:54 dont discuss this with me, discuss this with the maintainer Jun 23 19:44:09 * pb_ go home now Jun 23 19:44:11 later all Jun 23 19:44:27 bye pb Jun 23 19:46:16 * koen spots http://dist.gnutelephony.org/oe/bitbake/ Jun 23 19:46:29 koen hm uh Jun 23 19:47:32 hm Jun 23 19:47:41 from http://wiki.gnutelephony.org/index.php/GNU_Telephony_Open_Embedded Jun 23 19:47:42 maybe usefull for the n770 Jun 23 19:48:25 koen: do you know anything about ewi? Jun 23 19:48:44 zecke: it's a black computer sitting in a lab Jun 23 19:52:29 koen: and does it have network connectivity? Jun 23 19:52:48 it should have Jun 23 19:53:01 I'm waiting for the people from the helpdesk to reset it Jun 23 19:53:24 zecke cant you live without ewi? Jun 23 19:54:37 * Harvy is back Jun 23 19:55:21 * Harvy is back Jun 23 19:55:35 * Harvy is back Jun 23 19:55:44 harvy we already know Jun 23 19:55:51 * Harvy is away: bye Jun 23 19:59:40 zecke: I'll ping the head of department again Jun 23 20:10:02 woglinde: http://www.timesys.com/linuxlink.html Jun 23 20:12:21 http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/04/30 classic Jun 23 20:13:39 clear value Jun 23 20:14:34 zlib 1.2.1? Jun 23 20:14:35 wtf Jun 23 20:14:44 cygwin Jun 23 20:14:45 lol Jun 23 20:14:47 zecke Jun 23 20:14:54 woglinde: 2x 'void' ;) Jun 23 20:15:10 woglinde: it looks nice, and ready to go packaes look interesting as well Jun 23 20:35:28 How do I control which gcc is used to biuld the kernel? Jun 23 20:35:45 Crofton: You can only control the version Jun 23 20:35:56 yeah Jun 23 20:36:00 exactly :) Jun 23 20:36:01 Crofton: check one of the handhelds.org linux.bb files Jun 23 20:36:06 Crofton: you want more? Jun 23 20:36:09 jupp Jun 23 20:36:20 I am looking at the linux omap one Jun 23 20:36:27 GCC_CROSS_KERNEL? Jun 23 20:36:33 Crofton: there is a special kernel gcc :) Jun 23 20:36:36 Crofton: see koen :) Jun 23 20:36:49 ah right Jun 23 20:37:08 where is that "usually" set ? Jun 23 20:37:51 local.conf Jun 23 20:38:04 or in the distribution.conf Jun 23 20:39:05 neither Jun 23 20:39:09 Crofton: guess: kernel.bbclass? Jun 23 20:39:11 straight in the kernel.bb Jun 23 20:39:22 koen oehm Jun 23 20:39:32 I don't have it explicitly set Jun 23 20:39:37 that I can find Jun 23 20:40:58 ahh Jun 23 20:41:43 KERNEL_CCSUFFIX = "-3.3.4" Jun 23 20:41:56 sets the version of gcc for the kernel build Jun 23 20:42:39 Crofton: yes, and makes sure this gcc is present (hopefully) Jun 23 20:42:54 it is trying to build it Jun 23 20:43:02 and we already built 3.4.4 Jun 23 20:50:46 Crofton: finding your way now? Jun 23 20:50:58 think so Jun 23 20:51:00 thanks Jun 23 21:05:32 nite guys Jun 23 21:08:42 * koen grabs a book and heads to bed Jun 23 22:00:42 hi...is there some way to run a daemon as user which wants to bind(7) (openldap in my case) i want to debug it but dont want to run the debugger/ide as root Jun 23 22:11:19 wow fascinating... Jun 23 22:11:27 chowning a file resets the suid bit Jun 23 22:51:20 i used bitbake and it created a rootfs and a bunch of ipk's. how can i add the ipks to the fs? Jun 23 22:58:30 if its already on your system, use ipkg Jun 23 22:58:40 if you want to build a new rootfs, add them to the meta package Jun 23 23:04:27 k thx Jun 23 23:21:07 how can i add the package to the meta data? it was downloaded and built but not included in the fs? Jun 23 23:24:56 Is ewi546 ever coming back up? If not, which mirror is most appropriate? Jun 23 23:25:37 a tick is open for ewi, I am told Jun 23 23:25:41 ticket even Jun 23 23:28:44 welp, looks like i'll be working with RP now Jun 23 23:29:55 indeed Jun 23 23:30:31 kergoth: you working with ohanded? Jun 23 23:31:13 CosmicPenguin: looks that way Jun 23 23:31:19 good deal Jun 23 23:34:30 kergoth, does it mean more money? Jun 23 23:34:48 prolly means more OE for kergoth.. :) Jun 23 23:34:50 emte: similar, but i'll be able to work from home, which is nice Jun 23 23:35:10 ah Jun 23 23:35:34 and no more government contract crap, political bs Jun 23 23:35:38 ohand is still not using OE no? Jun 23 23:35:51 let me rewirite that Jun 23 23:36:06 emte: http://projects.o-hand.com/poky Jun 23 23:36:14 ohand stopped using OE when the repo was swithced to monotone did they not? Jun 23 23:36:21 switched* Jun 23 23:36:45 they use a custom metadata repo rather than upstream oe as is Jun 23 23:37:00 as a lot of companies do, just most dont make those repo's available Jun 23 23:37:32 yeah - thats a common way of doing it Jun 23 23:38:07 i need to decide if i want to keep using oe monotone myself Jun 23 23:38:14 its more of a hassle than it's worth Jun 23 23:39:41 atleast trying to use multiple versions of montone at once Jun 23 23:39:46 * CosmicPenguin heads hoem Jun 23 23:49:05 njs writes good stuff, i can only hope backwards compatabilities will exist in the 0.3+ series Jun 24 00:01:57 emte: well, we'll be working on it, though there will be at least one 0.26-level change at some point in the future Jun 24 00:02:23 yeah its already been announced oe is changing to 0.27 Jun 24 00:02:27 (to add real permissions, branch renaming, key revocation, and such) Jun 24 00:03:08 http://www.openembedded.org/announcement-of-scm-conversion-to-monotone-0.27 Jun 24 00:03:15 yeah, saw that **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jun 24 02:59:56 2006