**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 11 02:59:58 2006 Aug 11 04:22:54 * kergoth just got bit by http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1175 Aug 11 04:22:57 * kergoth grumbles Aug 11 04:44:43 03lenehan 07org.oe.documentation * r355c7bfc... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Aug 11 04:44:43 usermanual: Document the filesystem image types in the reference section and Aug 11 04:44:43 add myself to the list of copyright holders. Aug 11 05:09:42 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rc3c6249f... 10/ (1 packages/jpeg/jpeg_6b.bb): jpeg 6b: Remove spurious debug info from jpeg-tools. Closes #1231. Aug 11 05:31:12 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r5f7db529... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Aug 11 05:31:12 perl: Add -dbg package and move debug info to it. Closes #1234 "perl Aug 11 05:31:12 ships spurious debug info". Aug 11 05:50:10 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r1029de58... 10/ (1 packages/db/db_4.2.52.bb packages/db/db_4.3.29.bb): Aug 11 05:50:10 db: Stop the .debug directory being included in the -dev package. Closes Aug 11 05:50:10 #1216 "db4 ships spurious debug info". Aug 11 06:12:37 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r8c4548ea... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Aug 11 06:12:37 sqlite3: Move contents of .bb files to a .inc file for sqlite3 since they Aug 11 06:12:37 are all identical. Aug 11 06:17:51 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r2e344220... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Aug 11 06:17:51 sqlite3: Add a -dbg package to the packages list so that the .debug Aug 11 06:17:52 directories are moved into it. Closes #1237 "sqlite3 ships spurious debug Aug 11 06:17:52 info" Aug 11 06:24:12 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r9f1371aa... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Aug 11 06:24:12 sqlite 2.*: Remove the .debug directory from the sqlite-bin, related to the Aug 11 06:24:12 sqlite 3.* fixes done for #1237. Aug 11 06:43:33 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r5410a7b6... 10/ (1 packages/udev/udev.inc packages/udev/udev_092.bb): Aug 11 06:43:33 udev 092: Remove the spurious debug info from the packages. Closes #1241 Aug 11 06:43:33 "udev ships spurious debug info" Aug 11 06:47:23 hi there oe'ers! Aug 11 06:48:16 greetings Aug 11 06:48:31 ji kergoth! Aug 11 06:48:35 hi even Aug 11 06:48:46 hi koen! Aug 11 06:53:19 does gpe 2.7 (as with oz 3.5.4.1) come with a util for setting up a USB storage partition .I don't mean fdisk, for when I stick a USB cable in the Z. Aug 11 07:05:29 morning Aug 11 07:06:00 hi hrw! Aug 11 07:07:32 dmd: settings/usb settings? Aug 11 07:09:04 makedevs does nothing when i call it from a shell : ~/poky/build/tmp/rootfs $ mkdir -p dev Aug 11 07:09:04 ronan@linuxilinx ~/poky/build/tmp/rootfs $ makedevs -r /home/ronan/poky/build/tmp/rootfs -D /home/ronan/poky/meta/files/device_table-minimal.txt Aug 11 07:09:04 ls -l dev/ Aug 11 07:09:04 total 0 Aug 11 07:09:52 who have a better idea to populate my rootfs/dev/ ? Aug 11 07:10:06 Genesis: You can't create devices unless you are root. Why are you manually calling it? Aug 11 07:10:28 hrw: so there is such a tool then Aug 11 07:10:35 good Aug 11 07:10:48 v8jlene, : from my host Aug 11 07:11:00 instead of call a image task ( do_rootfs ) Aug 11 07:11:23 because i don't like the staging way of OE for prototyping Aug 11 07:11:33 i'm going to install oe now i think. How big a root partition would you recommend if I'm going to be compiling stuff natively on my Z Aug 11 07:11:36 (http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/PackagedStaging ) Aug 11 07:11:54 Genesis: when oe runs makedevs it does it under fakeroot, fakeroot remembers what was created so that if you do something else, like tar the directory say, tar will actually end up with the device nodes.. Aug 11 07:12:22 yeap i should use a tarball Aug 11 07:12:35 so for example in roots/dev I have no devices, but the .tar.gz created from that does have the devices in it... Aug 11 07:12:35 I'm thinking about 500MB Aug 11 07:12:43 Genesis: staging is not intended for testing of a rootfs. it isnt a rootfs. yes, you should package a tarball and go unpack that as root Aug 11 07:13:11 morning Aug 11 07:15:03 koen: ping Aug 11 07:15:09 oki thx Aug 11 07:15:20 koen: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/PackagedStaging says "Q: some packages (e.g glibc-intermediate) do PACKAGES = "", which breaks packaged-staging, but packaging it would land us in shlib hell. Is there a way to tell OE to not generate shlib providers for a package? Aug 11 07:15:24 A: There is no way, add one " Aug 11 07:15:32 koen: EXCLUDE_FROM_SHLIBS exist for a reason Aug 11 07:17:12 " Incrementally installing packages" is what i need :) Aug 11 07:17:50 hrw: if you don't mind me asking, where do you work? Aug 11 07:18:37 dmd: PoznaƄ, Poland - websites development Aug 11 07:19:21 just wondered if you were a pro embedded dev Aug 11 07:19:33 i mean paid, as a job Aug 11 07:19:50 dmd: from time to time I do OE consulting/paid work and starting own business for it Aug 11 07:20:04 so you should! Aug 11 07:22:39 let me get this straight before I mess up my Z. Before I install oz, I partition my MD. the first partition will become /, the second /home and the third will get formatted as FAT32 and mounted under /media/hdd will it? Aug 11 07:23:06 dmd: iirc yes - I never used c3x00 Aug 11 07:23:35 what about swap? Aug 11 07:23:51 dmd: feel free to create swap partition Aug 11 07:24:44 128MB enough? Should this be the 4th partition? Do I get to choose during install which partition is which? Aug 11 07:25:25 which is which is hardcoded Aug 11 07:25:39 4=swap then? Aug 11 07:26:45 or it is 3? Aug 11 07:28:23 dmd: send me c3x00 and I will tell you Aug 11 07:28:27 :) Aug 11 07:28:53 otherwise I cannot tell Aug 11 07:28:53 dmd: you can make a swapfile on any partition Aug 11 07:29:16 dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1024 count= Aug 11 07:29:24 mkswap swapfile Aug 11 07:29:29 swapon swapfle Aug 11 07:30:17 morning all Aug 11 07:30:26 I would presume a swapfile is every bit as fast as a dedicated partition is it? Aug 11 07:30:51 dmd: that I couldnt tell you, my swap is on SD card Aug 11 07:30:57 hi, when I (or do_rootfs) calls bbimage it terminates with the following error message http://pastebin.de/10627 Aug 11 07:35:11 Cobelius: do yo have bitbake 1.4.2? Aug 11 07:36:05 don't suppose wxgtk is in oe is it? Aug 11 07:38:08 yes I have, I have solved the problem by comment out the require statement Aug 11 07:38:45 hmn what was the standard root passwort for a bootstrap-image? Aug 11 07:39:56 03koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * rb03dca0a... 10/ (1 README): README: start filling a docu on the SoC Aug 11 07:40:53 dmd: there should be a .bb for wxgtk in the bugtracker Aug 11 07:41:05 dmd: I wxbase should be in Aug 11 07:42:05 Good! I'm just thinking about the size of my /home- isn't root the normal user under oz, like under pdaxrom? Aug 11 07:43:29 In which case home will be under /root right? Aug 11 07:44:18 dmd: this is still not a distribution support channel Aug 11 07:44:29 dmd: #openzaurus for OZ questions? Aug 11 07:44:51 i'm gone! Aug 11 07:45:42 morning Aug 11 08:01:10 03freyther 07org.oe.dev * r8232b80f... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Aug 11 08:01:10 packages/binutils: Binutils 2.17 make compile on OSX Aug 11 08:01:10 OSX claims that stopc might end up uninitialized. Initialize Aug 11 08:01:10 it to '0' to and hope it works out. This fixes the compile and Aug 11 08:01:10 I have an ARM EABI toolchain on OSX that could work... Aug 11 08:07:28 Yeah, no more .debug files in my rootfs! Aug 11 08:08:16 ~lart zaptel makefile Aug 11 08:08:16 * ibot hauls zaptel makefile up by the scruff of the neck and spanks him until he waddles Aug 11 08:08:20 v8jlene: cool Aug 11 08:08:50 I'll check in the glibc and sysvinit changes now.. then time for a beer I think! Aug 11 08:09:43 any volunteers for http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1182 ? Aug 11 08:09:57 * koen looks at zecke since it concerns PACKAGE_FUNCS Aug 11 08:12:33 koen: got info about shlibs? Aug 11 08:12:47 hrw|work: yes, I just updated the wiki Aug 11 08:15:01 let me make it a bit more known Aug 11 08:16:07 koen: I wrote it long time ago for sharp-compat-libs Aug 11 08:17:08 koen: wait :) Aug 11 08:17:45 * zecke encrypts his disk now Aug 11 08:20:23 03koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * rb9093501... 10/ (1 packages/glibc/glibc-intermediate_2.4.bb): glibc-intermediate: EXCLUDE_FROM_SHLIBS=1 Aug 11 08:20:28 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * ra3d5eb99... 10/ (1 packages/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.86.bb): Aug 11 08:20:28 sysvinit 2.86: Exclude the spurious .debug information that was being Aug 11 08:20:28 included in the main package. Aug 11 08:20:34 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rdf7d3164... 10/ (1 packages/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_29-pre10.bb): Aug 11 08:20:34 wireless-tools 29-pre10: Remove the spurious debug info. Closes #1230 Aug 11 08:20:34 "wireless-tools ships spurious debug info". Aug 11 08:54:16 Does somebody know the standard root passwort of a bootstrap-image? Aug 11 08:54:34 Cobelius: blank, iirc Aug 11 08:56:16 morning all Aug 11 08:57:06 hey RP Aug 11 09:09:18 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r2d8c1ea6... 10/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Aug 11 09:09:18 glibc: Add glibc-dbg package, and make sure all the .debug files go in to Aug 11 09:09:18 it. Bump the PR on all the glibc files since they all include Aug 11 09:09:18 glibc-package.bbclass. Closes #1220 "glibc ships spurious debug info". Aug 11 09:10:58 Who does lenethan correspond to on irc? Aug 11 09:11:07 RP: That'd be me.. Aug 11 09:11:20 v8jlene: hi :) Aug 11 09:11:47 v8jlene: I just sent an email to oe@ about the -dbg packages which you should probably read sooner than later Aug 11 09:12:22 RP: No doubt your going to tell me I've been wasting me time ;) Aug 11 09:12:38 v8jlene: No, what you're doing is fine, I just wanted to show a slightly different way of doing what you're doing Aug 11 09:12:47 Its just slightly cleaner Aug 11 09:14:15 RP: Read it. Hmm.. I actually tested that and it didn't work.. that's what I thought should have happened.. I'll re-check now to make sure I'm not going mad.. Aug 11 09:14:27 time of a ~oekeymap lenethan :-D Aug 11 09:14:30 for a Aug 11 09:17:00 has anyone any idea what AMD were meaning by their last comment in xfce-mcs-manager.inc as its totally bogus Aug 11 09:18:03 XorA: ask them? Aug 11 09:18:39 v8jlene: It should work unless I've misunderstood something... Aug 11 09:18:49 RP: Yeah, tested again and it doesn't work Aug 11 09:19:00 zecke: I would if MAINTAINER was set Aug 11 09:19:28 RP: Actually it does work.. sort of. The .debug directories are left behind, but the files are moved out. Aug 11 09:19:56 v8jlene: That means its working. Leaving the directories is normal Aug 11 09:20:38 hey mikearthur Aug 11 09:20:48 morning XorA Aug 11 09:20:50 quick off the mark today ;) Aug 11 09:20:51 RP: Normal.. hmm.. well I find all those .debug directories in my rootfs annoying! ;) Aug 11 09:21:02 v8jlene: Ah, that would be a problem :-/ Aug 11 09:22:08 mikearthur: slow day Aug 11 09:22:10 Persumably nearly every package has these? Aug 11 09:22:14 RP: With those few changes I done today there are no .debug entries in my rootfs. So I guess I should ask why does the directory not remain for all the other packages? Aug 11 09:22:33 v8jlene: right, that is the question Aug 11 09:23:08 v8jlene: Perhaps it should be ${usrbindir}/ (note the extra slash) Aug 11 09:23:54 RP: Tested that a minute ago, no difference.. Aug 11 09:24:56 v8jlene: Looking at the standard FILES_${PN}, try ${usrbindir}/* Aug 11 09:26:35 RP: Wait a minute.. I think it's where the -dbg package ends up in PACKAGES - it has to be last. If you use PACKAGES += it's no longer last... Aug 11 09:27:18 v8jlene: ah, change it to a =+ Aug 11 09:27:36 RP =+ prepends I take it? Aug 11 09:28:46 v8jlene: yes Aug 11 09:29:00 v8jlene: I think we have them the wrong way around above :) Aug 11 09:29:08 good morning Aug 11 09:29:56 v8jlene: the -dbg package should be first in PACKAGES Aug 11 09:30:49 v8jlene: udev.inc uses PACKAGE =+. Changing it to += should make it all work Aug 11 09:32:06 RP: Yeah, at the end is bad. I still get the .debug directories left in all the packages thought. Aug 11 09:34:34 XorA: you mean an updated http://www.openembedded.org/people ? Aug 11 09:37:55 v8jlene: I thought you just said you didn't and it was just odd ones? Aug 11 09:38:48 koen: pardon Aug 11 09:39:37 koen: ah I finally let the info sift through my brain Aug 11 09:39:39 XorA: I think hrw said he'd update it when he's finished starting firefox ;) Aug 11 09:40:33 RP: For most packages there's no .debug directories left in the non -dbg packages. Say iproute2. But for all the ones I've touched today they leave .debug directories behind. Aug 11 09:41:05 I've tested udev with the += and it makes no difference. Still .debug directories left behind. Aug 11 09:43:00 v8jlene: I'll try this here and see what happens. It must work as otherwise we'd have these directories everywhere :) Aug 11 09:43:06 RP: Well, I've figured it out. Aug 11 09:43:26 v8jlene: go on... :) Aug 11 09:43:43 RP: This will leave .debug directories behind: FILES_${PN} += "${usrbindir} ${usrsbindir}" Aug 11 09:43:54 This won't: FILES_${PN} += "${usrbindir}/* ${usrsbindir}/*" Aug 11 09:44:30 v8jlene: ok, that makes sense Aug 11 09:44:39 The defaults in bitbake.conf use have the /* on all the entries. Aug 11 09:44:45 So * doesn't make . Aug 11 09:44:49 match Aug 11 09:45:05 It matches files, not directories Aug 11 09:45:21 Ok, I'll do a quick re-update of everything I changed today... Aug 11 09:46:31 koen: Do I remember you using cups from OE? Aug 11 09:46:41 RP: yes Aug 11 09:46:47 koen: It works? Aug 11 09:46:51 RP: yes Aug 11 09:47:01 koen: much overhead? Aug 11 09:47:01 Not directories? Is that some python thing? Or is this some bitbake thing? Aug 11 09:47:13 RP: haven't measured Aug 11 09:47:15 v8jlene: python - look up fnmatch Aug 11 09:47:21 koen: ok, thanks :) Aug 11 09:48:22 RP: the included cupsd is suboptimal, feel free to make it a bit more userfriendly (Browsing on, etc) Aug 11 09:50:04 koen: snmp browsing enabled? Aug 11 09:50:51 hrw|work: the cups protocol Aug 11 09:50:56 iirc that's not snmp Aug 11 09:51:36 koen: I'm trying to avoid getting involved with it ;-) Aug 11 09:52:48 RP: http://linuxtogo.org/~koen/screenshots/nbp-cups.png Aug 11 09:55:00 koen: :). I don't have a clue about printing. My server still uses lpd ;-) Aug 11 09:55:39 * XorA shudders at mention of lpd Aug 11 09:55:56 XorA: it works so I don't touch it ;-) Aug 11 09:56:37 RP: when I first setup lpd back in 98 it took me 4 days to find all the wierd bits of files Redhat and debian had forgotten/fscked up Aug 11 09:59:01 XorA: I dread to think how long ago I wrote that printcap file. For added bonus points its all on slackware :) Aug 11 09:59:33 Theres a reason compiling systems from scratch does not bother me :-/ Aug 11 09:59:42 I used lpd when had printer. then I used cups with remote printers Aug 11 10:00:03 I started using cups when samba grew an import option Aug 11 10:00:05 snmp discover of printers is nice Aug 11 10:00:10 cupsaddsmb iirc Aug 11 10:00:22 that way windoze could print to my printer Aug 11 10:00:54 koen: why not http://server:631/printers/printer on windows and avoid samba pain Aug 11 10:00:55 samba always worked with my printcap file... Aug 11 10:04:26 XorA: iip wasn't support back then Aug 11 10:04:32 * koen is off to pick up some good Aug 11 10:04:33 s Aug 11 10:05:21 what is the -rpath parameter for? Aug 11 10:06:39 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r1b1ba180... 10/ (1 packages/udev/udev.inc packages/udev/udev_092.bb): Aug 11 10:06:39 udev 092: Update for keeping the debug information in the correct package Aug 11 10:06:39 which is clearer. Appened to package list so -dbg package stays first and Aug 11 10:06:39 use .../* to match files and ignore directories. Aug 11 10:06:49 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rd3b6696f... 10/ (1 packages/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.86.bb): Aug 11 10:06:49 sysvinit 2.86: Update for keeping the debug information in the correct package Aug 11 10:06:49 which is clearer. Use .../* to match files and ignore directories. Aug 11 10:06:57 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rc7e0ccab... 10/ (8 files in 2 dirs): Aug 11 10:06:57 sqlite: Update for keeping the debug information in the correct package Aug 11 10:06:57 which is clearer. Append to package list so -dbg package stays first and Aug 11 10:06:57 use .../* to match files and ignore directories. Aug 11 10:07:04 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r058f141f... 10/ (1 packages/jpeg/jpeg_6b.bb): Aug 11 10:07:04 jpeg 6b: Update for keeping the debug information in the correct package Aug 11 10:07:04 which is clearer. Append to package list so -dbg package stays first and Aug 11 10:07:04 use .../* to match files and ignore directories. Aug 11 10:07:21 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r0f183a7c... 10/ (1 packages/db/db_4.2.52.bb packages/db/db_4.3.29.bb): Aug 11 10:07:21 db: Update for keeping the debug information in the correct package Aug 11 10:07:21 which is clearer. Use .../* to match files and ignore directories. Aug 11 10:27:56 where does OE store path information? Aug 11 10:28:11 for instance, I changed distro, which changed the location of mktemp from /bin to /usr/bin Aug 11 10:28:12 good morning Aug 11 10:28:18 morning Dirk Aug 11 10:28:30 hey mikearthur Aug 11 10:28:34 mikearthur: Its often hardcoded into things - you'll have to rebuild :-( Aug 11 10:29:28 I'm not rebuilding for that :p, I'll symlink :D Aug 11 10:29:51 mikearthur: often the tip of an iceburg :-/ Aug 11 10:30:13 well I'll keep hacking at the iceburg with my toothpick ;) Aug 11 10:31:34 mikearthur: with ccache how long are image builds taking you># Aug 11 10:32:05 XorA: not very long, how come? Aug 11 10:32:23 mikearthur: that why shirk a rebuld Aug 11 10:33:39 if I have to, I will Aug 11 10:33:43 I'm just building kernels atm Aug 11 10:37:23 RP: if I'm just building and cleaning one package, where would it be hardcoded? Aug 11 10:39:33 mikearthur: could be anywhere. Who knoes what info configure stores for example Aug 11 10:45:37 koen|away: wouldnt be okey to remove the default_preference=-1 inside glibc and just let people set preferred version? Aug 11 10:47:58 hrw|work: ? Aug 11 10:48:01 anyone Aug 11 10:49:09 Ken|JLime: I do not use .dev too often Aug 11 10:49:26 Ken|JLime: DEFAULT_PREFERENCE doesnt stop you setting PREFFERED_VERSION Aug 11 10:50:40 XorA: hmmm, It keeps saying that preferred_version of 2.4 not found Aug 11 10:50:52 Ken|JLime: it says that then builds it anyway Aug 11 10:51:06 no, it grabs 2.3.5+cvs20050627 Aug 11 10:51:24 I must be missing something Aug 11 10:51:52 Ken|JLime: check angstrom.conf Aug 11 10:51:58 oki Aug 11 10:57:16 XorA: got same settings Aug 11 10:57:26 Ken|JLime: odd Aug 11 10:57:44 hmm wiat Aug 11 10:57:46 wait Aug 11 10:57:49 I didnt set the intermediate Aug 11 10:57:53 might be that gcc is pulling Aug 11 11:00:16 XorA: btw, you sure that PREFERRED_VERSION overrides eventual DEFAULT_PREFERENCE? Aug 11 11:00:37 ~seen cwiiis Aug 11 11:00:42 cwiiis was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 7d 14h 32m 36s ago, saying: 'zecke: We might be using a more recent SRCDATE, but I don't think the packaging has changed'. Aug 11 11:46:32 XorA: firefox 1.5.0.6 buildable - do you want it? Aug 11 11:50:35 hrw|work: on amd64? Aug 11 11:50:56 mickey|zzZZzz: ping Aug 11 11:53:32 XorA: if 1.5.0.1 builds then 1.5.0.6 should too Aug 11 11:53:55 hrw|work: nope, firefox is broken for cross compile Aug 11 11:54:03 hrw|work: all mozilla is :-( Aug 11 11:54:04 ah Aug 11 11:54:39 hrw|work: it should work by the luck that i386 and arm are pretty compatible with compiler options though, so at least you can stick the .bb in :-) Aug 11 12:07:05 Still having issues trying to make it use 2.4 for all. It uses the glibc-initial correctly, but after that It tries to use 2.3.5+cvs20050627 Aug 11 12:07:09 which of course fails Aug 11 12:07:30 Ive set glibc-initial, glibc-intermediate, glibc = "2.4" Aug 11 12:08:00 Kristoffer: http://pastebin.ca/126381 Aug 11 12:08:03 Kristoffer: odd, Im afraid I didn't mess with that magic much here Aug 11 12:08:13 v8jlene: youve had this issue also? Aug 11 12:08:22 Kristoffer: The superh-fcntl patch is already included in glibc 2.4 Aug 11 12:08:32 v8jlene: ah oki Aug 11 12:08:50 v8jlene: btw what distro file are you using? You use glibc = 2.4 all through right? Aug 11 12:09:00 Kristoffer: Yeah, glibc 2.4 really does not want to build.. took me a while to get it to work... Aug 11 12:09:21 Kristoffer: My distro is erouter.conf ;) That pstebin contains most of it... Aug 11 12:09:28 pastebin that is... Aug 11 12:10:53 oki, cause for me it still pulls glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627 insetad of using 2.4 Aug 11 12:11:01 Kristoffer: It'll be the PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/sh4-linux-libc-for-gcc Aug 11 12:11:11 Kristoffer: You'll need sh3-linux etc of course Aug 11 12:11:23 oki, gonna check. You think I might need to add that line? Aug 11 12:11:56 Kristoffer: Yeah, I think that was the magic line I tracked down to make it work. Aug 11 12:14:43 v8jlene: oki big thx Aug 11 12:15:17 #jlime no Aug 11 12:15:19 doh Aug 11 12:15:55 Kristoffer: You're not using gcc 3.4.4 anymore are you? I've tracked down fixes for some of the optimiser crashed but haven't pushed them. If you are using 3.4.4 I can push them. Aug 11 12:16:16 crashed? crashes that should have been... Aug 11 12:25:34 v8jlene: Im using 4.1.1, which works well for sh3 Aug 11 12:25:45 v8jlene: btw, looks like your fix worked nicely. Thxs Aug 11 12:26:25 v8jlene: it will be interesting to see if glibc 2.4+binutils 2.17+4.1.1 fixes any issues for me Aug 11 12:26:38 Still having some weird linker errors, but I used 2.15.94 before so Aug 11 12:27:22 Btw, anyone know how well 2.4 works for armplatforms? Aug 11 12:27:32 see that angstrom is using it, so guessing it is well supported Aug 11 12:38:36 what's the stablest config ? generic.conf ? Aug 11 12:44:53 Genesis: not sure if theres any stable config around basicly Aug 11 12:45:10 mickeyl: hey? Aug 11 12:45:19 mickeyl: got mail? Aug 11 12:45:35 zecke: yes, thanks. I forgot i need to log in because I have an appointment with my SOC mentee Aug 11 12:45:49 btw., when is the official end of SOC? Aug 11 12:45:58 mickeyl: got a quick bitbake bug for you Aug 11 12:47:05 Kristoffer, : i confirme :*/ Aug 11 12:47:11 mickeyl: 21.8 Aug 11 12:47:17 mickeyl: PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}libc-for-gcc = "glibc-intermediate" pulls glibc-2.3.5+cvs20050627 even though 2.4 is defined Aug 11 12:47:28 later guys, going home Aug 11 12:47:37 But PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/sh3-linux-libc-for-gcc = "glibc-intermediate" works fine Aug 11 12:48:37 basicly meaning that ${TARGET_PREFIX}!="sh3-linux-" in my case.. Aug 11 12:49:01 Kristoffer: there is a problem with bitbake recognizing that glibc 2.4 is available. i stumbled over that one as well, but couldn't find a reason. Please check whether it's online as a bug and if not, please report it Aug 11 12:49:11 mickeyl: will do Aug 11 12:49:14 thanks Aug 11 12:49:26 any suggestion on solving this temporarly if I got 2 different archs? Aug 11 12:49:43 preferred_provider_sh3_virtual/.... would work? Aug 11 12:50:20 you could try lowering the preference of glibc-2.3.5 Aug 11 12:50:29 hmm, good idea thx Aug 11 12:50:33 i.e. set DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" Aug 11 12:50:43 to make bb have no other way but chose 2.4 Aug 11 12:51:10 hi mickeyl Aug 11 12:51:19 greetings hrw|work. how are things? Aug 11 12:51:46 mickeyl: quite nice - 3.5.4.2-rc1 released with wrong initscripts (checkversion shout), collie suxx as usual Aug 11 12:51:53 btw., 3.5.4.2-rc for collie/2.6 bails out for me during init w/ not enough space Aug 11 12:51:55 ah right Aug 11 12:52:09 mickeyl: flash !opie one Aug 11 12:52:21 ok, worth a try Aug 11 12:53:22 mickeyl: lol, it pulled glibc_cvs instead Aug 11 12:53:34 its already set to -1 in default preference, but still it got pulled Aug 11 12:53:48 darn. Aug 11 12:54:15 how about DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "9999" for glibc-2.4? Aug 11 12:54:20 could one translate ${TARGET_PREFIX} = into "${ARCH}-linux-"? Aug 11 12:54:36 mickeyl: aha, worth a try Aug 11 12:55:39 Kristoffer: in some cases, yes. Aug 11 12:55:43 TARGET_PREFIX is TARGET_SYS- Aug 11 12:55:59 TARGET_SYS being TARGET_ARCH-TARGET_VENDOR-TARGET_OS (roughly) Aug 11 12:56:01 mickeyl: when setting 9999 to 2.4 it still pulls something else Aug 11 12:57:40 Kristoffer: delete all glibc not 2.4 and the error will normally be displayed Aug 11 12:57:52 XorA: good idea Aug 11 12:58:11 Kristoffer: done that a few times to track down dependency trees Aug 11 12:58:35 XorA: goodie, would be interesting to see why this only affects 2.4 Aug 11 12:58:56 Gonna try setting PREFERRED_PROVIDER_sh3_virtual/.... first though Aug 11 12:58:59 just to see if it works Aug 11 13:13:07 ghi Aug 11 13:36:32 Anybody here care to update a couple of packages for me please? Aug 11 13:37:01 dmd: OZ requests all goes by me Aug 11 13:37:13 damnit! :) Aug 11 13:37:24 dmd: aspell? Aug 11 13:37:42 aspell, xmms and dillo all need to be updated please Aug 11 13:38:33 dmd: there is no newer dillo2 then 0.6.6 Aug 11 13:39:05 hrw|work: better start hacking then :) Aug 11 13:39:39 hrw|work: btw, can I commit files by simply doing mt commit /packages...../myfile.bb instead of grabbing all changes with mt commit? Aug 11 13:40:14 0.6.6 OZ doesn't work with Yahoo! mail but 0.8.5 under Debian does. And it looks different. I think its a different version! Aug 11 13:40:47 Kristoffer: mtn commit file1 file2 dir1 dir2 == no problem Aug 11 13:40:57 hrw|work: greavy Aug 11 13:42:23 greavy? disco granules? :) Aug 11 13:42:35 :D Aug 11 13:42:37 doing my best Aug 11 13:43:46 XorA: so you reckon if I get a en_GB aspell dictionary and copy it into the right dir it will fix my abiword prob? Aug 11 13:43:58 dmd: I suspect so Aug 11 13:44:46 dmd: though this channel is not distro support Aug 11 13:44:56 XorA: btw, is it possible to get diffs the same way? mt diff /packages/blabla/blabla. Aug 11 13:45:16 Kristoffer: it is Aug 11 13:45:22 hrw|work: great Aug 11 13:45:27 donno why I havent used it before Aug 11 13:45:31 Kristoffer: do 'mtn diff --help' Aug 11 13:45:42 k Aug 11 13:51:41 XorA: NOTE: Licenses (['unknown']) are not all listed in SRC_DISTRIBUTE_LICENSES, skipping source distribution Aug 11 13:51:44 NOTE: package aspell5-en-6.0-0-r0: task do_distribute_sources: completed Aug 11 13:51:46 XorA: nasty Aug 11 13:52:35 does that mean aspell has been updated? Aug 11 13:53:30 hrw|work: crap my bad Aug 11 13:54:25 gack some one PR bumped glibc, its gonna be a while Aug 11 13:54:39 hehe Aug 11 13:54:43 because auf -dbg Aug 11 13:56:44 Someone bumped glibc? Aug 11 13:57:00 yes Aug 11 13:57:03 Argggh Aug 11 13:57:20 http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=70d230573c9b9cecb6616046b4c5b24e2c5ad07f Aug 11 13:57:35 hm dont know who is lehana Aug 11 13:57:40 v8jlene: Aug 11 13:57:41 aeh lenehan Aug 11 13:57:45 he right Aug 11 13:57:56 v8jlene: you applied some patches to glibc 2.4? Aug 11 13:58:18 koen: viewmtn NEED fixing - is fscked Aug 11 13:58:46 <woglinde> wahahahah Aug 11 13:58:58 <woglinde> classpath has now its own cairo implemantation Aug 11 13:59:03 <woglinde> another thing that suckz Aug 11 14:00:35 <XorA> hrw|work: aspell5-en is under license SCOWL, that isnt in OE yet is it? Aug 11 14:01:37 <hrw|work> XorA: it does not has license field set Aug 11 14:01:42 <Kristoffer> XorA: never heard of that license, anything gpl-ish? Aug 11 14:02:00 <XorA> Kristoffer: totally not Aug 11 14:02:08 <Kristoffer> oki Aug 11 14:02:16 <hrw|work> Packaged contents of aspell5-pl into /home/hrw/devel/build/3541-feed/tmp/deploy/ipk/aspell5-pl_6.0-20060811-r0_arm.ipk Aug 11 14:03:26 <XorA> hrw|work: where you get 6.0 from? Aug 11 14:03:37 <hrw|work> XorA: Polish one? Aug 11 14:03:42 <XorA> hrw|work: and is that actually distrbutable, the 0.5X versions arent Aug 11 14:04:00 <hrw|work> XorA: The dictionary is licensed under GPL, LGPL, MPL and Creative Commons ShareAlike licenses. Aug 11 14:05:28 <XorA> hrw|work: lucky you, the -en actually have a crappy license Aug 11 14:07:07 <hrw|work> XorA: The dictionary available here contains more than 3,200,000 contemporary Polish words for use in spell-checking. It is being actively developed by a handful of people with the help of a large community of literaki players (literaki is a popular Polish crossword game). Aug 11 14:08:33 <hrw|work> dmd: we HAVE bugtracker Aug 11 14:08:45 <hrw|work> dmd: we EXPECT people to report bugs via bugtracker Aug 11 14:10:24 <dmd> hrw: so if I report this on the bugtracker you will update xmms and dillo? Its a deal! Aug 11 14:11:16 <Kristoffer> dmd: Best way to get stuff done is to do it yourself Aug 11 14:11:21 <Kristoffer> :D Aug 11 14:11:38 <dmd> tell me about it :) Aug 11 14:13:02 <XorA> hrw|work: aspell-en needs work to fix its licensis, and what do I put in LICENSE field when license consisnt of 6 different licenses with very random terms Aug 11 14:13:21 <XorA> hrw|work: basically Copyright document must be packaged with aspell-en Aug 11 14:18:56 <giel> any reason why a very simple .bb with inherit autotools calls configure with all paths pointing to the host? (ie --prefix=/usr) Aug 11 14:20:34 <woglinde> giel hm inherit native somewahre? Aug 11 14:21:48 <giel> the only thing in the .bb is the SRC_URI and inherit autotools Aug 11 14:21:59 <giel> and description, depends etc Aug 11 14:22:02 <giel> the standard stuff Aug 11 14:22:29 <woglinde> hm Aug 11 14:23:06 <giel> it's very weird, because when i compare it to similar, equally simple .bb files that do build correctly i'm at a loss Aug 11 14:24:23 <woglinde> sorry me too Aug 11 14:24:50 <giel> i always blurt out stupid questions, because if i do i mostly seem to find the answers myself ;) Aug 11 14:25:09 <woglinde> hm? Aug 11 14:25:30 <woglinde> *g* I know such situations Aug 11 14:25:37 <giel> wait hm, this is not wrong, but still Aug 11 14:25:52 <giel> NOTE: Running /home/oe/build/tmp/work/faad2-2.0-r1/faad2/configure --build=i686-linux --host=arm-linux --target=arm Aug 11 14:25:55 <giel> -linux --prefix=/usr --exec_prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --li Aug 11 14:25:58 <giel> bexecdir=/usr/libexec --datadir=/usr/share --sy Aug 11 14:26:00 <giel> sconfdir=/etc --sharedstatedir=/usr/com --localstate Aug 11 14:26:01 <giel> anyway, is it supposed to look like that? Aug 11 14:26:04 <giel> dir=/var --libdir=/usr/lib --includedir=/usr/in Aug 11 14:26:06 <giel> clude --oldincludedir=/usr/include --infodir=/u Aug 11 14:26:08 <hrw|work> giel: it is 100% correct Aug 11 14:26:09 <giel> oops sorry Aug 11 14:26:11 <giel> okay Aug 11 14:26:16 <hrw|work> ~pastebin Aug 11 14:26:17 <ibot> rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.com/ (BROKEN AND SUCKING NUTS), or http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or for #oe use http://oe.pastebin.com, or http://bzflag.pastebin.ca/, or http://paste.lisp.org/ for the lisp/scheme nuts, or http://paste-it.net Aug 11 14:26:29 <giel> hrw|work: sorry, i thought it was one line Aug 11 14:26:51 <giel> hmz, okay, but if that's correct how does configure know not to look there for libs? Aug 11 14:26:55 <giel> but in staging? Aug 11 14:27:45 <woglinde> giel looks okay Aug 11 14:27:52 <woglinde> mus write your own staging section Aug 11 14:35:08 <mikearthur> what file, in openzaurus/gpe-image/oe defines what modules to load on startup? Aug 11 14:37:03 <woglinde> grep -r $modulname /etc/* Aug 11 14:38:17 <mikearthur> woglinde: dunno what to grep for, as the module I want to start isn't.. Aug 11 14:38:55 <woglinde> some modul which is started? Aug 11 14:40:47 <mikearthur> I assume the others are hotplugged Aug 11 14:41:03 <woglinde> hm let me think Aug 11 14:41:04 <woglinde> udev Aug 11 14:41:05 <hrw|work> mikearthur: grep ^autoload packages/linux/linux-openzaurus.inc Aug 11 14:42:11 <mikearthur> hrw|work: after updating that, I just need to update the kernel image, right? Aug 11 14:42:18 <koen> mikearthur: sometimes the MACHINE.conf specifies its own autoload files Aug 11 14:42:29 <hrw|work> koen: or distro or kernel.bbclass Aug 11 14:43:19 <mikearthur> koen: will the changes I make apply on a kernel build, or do I need to rebuild a gpe-image Aug 11 14:43:46 <giel> woglinde: no that's not what i mean... if you run configure that way, how does configure know that it should look for dependencies in the staging dir? Aug 11 14:43:57 <koen> iirc the new kernel-module-foo.ipk modules will have a correct postinst for that Aug 11 14:44:06 <woglinde> giel hm right Aug 11 14:44:18 <giel> woglinde: i know it does know it, but i don't know how Aug 11 14:44:36 <mikearthur> koen: I mean, will I just need to flash the new kernel or the new filesystem too? Aug 11 14:45:11 <koen> mikearthur: ipkg upgrade to get the new modules, or flash a new filesystem Aug 11 14:45:15 <woglinde> giel hm there is no run auf autoreconf? Aug 11 14:45:39 <giel> woglinde: ah okay, autoreconf does that? Aug 11 14:45:41 <koen> mikearthur: or 'echo "modulenameIwanttoload > /etc/modules/somenameyoumakeup ; update-modules" Aug 11 14:45:50 <woglinde> giel right Aug 11 14:45:57 <mikearthur> koen: sweet, thanks Aug 11 14:45:58 <woglinde> autoreconf --verbose --install --force --exclude=autopoint -I /devel/arm/tmp/openzaurus/staging/arm-linux/share/aclocal-1.9 -I /devel/arm/ Aug 11 14:46:01 <giel> woglinde: thanks Aug 11 14:46:01 <woglinde> tmp/openzaurus/staging/arm-linux/share/aclocal Aug 11 14:46:04 <woglinde> sorr Aug 11 14:46:07 <woglinde> y Aug 11 14:46:49 <woglinde> and Aug 11 14:47:02 <woglinde> configure: loading site script /devel/arm/org.openembedded.dev Aug 11 14:53:16 <koen> gah Aug 11 14:53:20 <koen> ~lart giorgio Aug 11 14:53:21 * ibot beats giorgio into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy Aug 11 14:53:45 <koen> he remapped the h2200 keys for F functions because that retarded Opie can't handle evkeys Aug 11 14:53:57 <koen> and as a result he broke GPE Aug 11 14:54:28 <koen> time to prepare a reverse diff..... Aug 11 14:54:49 <hrw|work> koen: time to work with kernel team rather Aug 11 14:55:43 <koen> I was part of the kernel team till some fascist swine revoked my access without a good reason Aug 11 14:56:12 <hrw|work> Cwiiis: hi Aug 11 14:56:25 <Cwiiis> Hey hrw|work Aug 11 14:57:17 <hrw|work> Cwiiis: you maintain dillo2 - is there newer then 0.6.6 one? Aug 11 14:58:05 <Cwiiis> hrw|work: No, someone would need to write a patch to port the latest to gtk2 Aug 11 14:58:20 <hrw|work> ok - thats what I wanted to know Aug 11 15:06:27 <XorA> hrw|work: there is dillo 0.8.X :-) Aug 11 15:06:39 <koen> send that upstream and get some popcorn Aug 11 15:09:16 <hrw|work> I urine on dillo Aug 11 15:09:33 <hrw|work> it worse then amigaos 'so called www browsers' which suxx Aug 11 15:11:46 <XorA> hrw|work: I need to cross elinks and links2 Aug 11 15:11:53 <XorA> hrw|work: I added saving cookies to links2 Aug 11 15:12:10 <XorA> hrw|work: aspell5-en license should be fixed now Aug 11 15:12:26 <hrw|work> I need free week for doing own things Aug 11 15:12:49 <XorA> hrw|work: dillo wx is coming soon Aug 11 15:13:15 <XorA> hrw|work: erm fltk, lart my memory Aug 11 15:13:23 <hrw|work> do so 'own business' info research, look how 2.6 looks on collie, run 3.5.4.2 on supported zauruses... Aug 11 15:13:26 <hrw|work> argh Aug 11 15:14:41 <koen> hrw|work: giorgios reply: "how am I supposed to know that people use GPE on their h2200?" Aug 11 15:15:09 <hrw|work> koen: exactly - how do? Aug 11 15:15:22 <woglinde> koen jesus Aug 11 15:15:26 <XorA> koen: gpe exists? Aug 11 15:15:27 <hrw|work> normal h2200 users use opie and complain why it does not work Aug 11 15:15:39 <woglinde> "normal" Aug 11 15:18:29 <koen> it sucks that patching the kernel is a few orders of magnitude easier as teaching opie to use evkeys Aug 11 15:19:00 <hrw|work> koen: other pda has F9+... Aug 11 15:19:04 <raduga> koen: source patch, or binary patch applied to running kernel? Aug 11 15:19:06 <hrw|work> s/pda/pdas Aug 11 15:19:43 <koen> hrw|work: so? Aug 11 15:19:56 <hrw|work> koen: nothing Aug 11 15:25:59 <koen> hrw|work: on opie-dev giorgio says "> Mapping can be changed, in agreement with GPE developers, so to not Aug 11 15:25:59 <koen> > break things for them.' Aug 11 15:26:09 <koen> hrw|work: but nothing about that on the gpe list Aug 11 15:26:19 <koen> 'selective amnesia' Aug 11 15:30:04 <koen> RP: this might interest you: I'm working with nchip to teach scratchbox to use OE toolchains :) Aug 11 15:57:34 <Cwiiis> hrw|work: netsurf is a browser worth investigating, it's a RiscOS browser with a maintained GTK back-end - not sure if it'll solve that user's problem as it has limited support for cookies, but rendering quality is much better than dillo and if anything, it's faster Aug 11 15:58:49 <koen> Cwiiis: how's your browser coming along? Aug 11 15:59:37 <Cwiiis> koen: I haven't had the time to touch it since the write-up was due, hopefully I'll be able to do something with all the stuff there when I next get some spare time :p Aug 11 16:00:03 <Cwiiis> I need to branch off gtkhtml2 really, it needs some major changes Aug 11 16:00:24 <koen> Cwiiis: 'sync' looks very nice Aug 11 16:00:33 <koen> Cwiiis: I love that it will use avahi Aug 11 16:01:53 <Cwiiis> koen: It's actually pretty close to doing something vaguely useful, will have to tidy it up on a weekend at some point :) Aug 11 16:01:53 <mikearthur> off on holiday for a week lads, cheers for the help Aug 11 16:03:47 <hrw|work> 4 days weekend will come... Aug 11 16:08:58 <poushag> anybody up for a sed/grep challenge? can one of you come up with a one liner to comment out all the locale stuff in the glibc bb file? Aug 11 16:10:14 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.oz354x * r06fa302c... 10/ (1 packages/fakeroot/fakeroot_1.2.13.bb): fakeroot: add staging Aug 11 16:10:22 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.oz354x * rb3e3e58c... 10/ (1 packages/scratchbox packages/scratchbox/sbrsh_7.1.bb): sbrsh: add 7.1 from .dev Aug 11 16:10:28 <CIA-9> 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * rd6d342eb... 10/ (1 conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf): Aug 11 16:10:28 <CIA-9> conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf : Updating glibc Aug 11 16:10:28 <CIA-9> * Changing glibc, glibc-initial, glibc-intermediate to 2.4 Aug 11 16:10:28 <CIA-9> * Removing PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/${TARGET_PREFIX}libc-for-gcc: Aug 11 16:10:29 <CIA-9> glibc-intermediate and putting arch specific inside local.conf instead. Aug 11 16:10:31 <CIA-9> This due to some bitbake bug. Aug 11 16:10:37 <CIA-9> 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r93b3866b... 10/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Aug 11 16:10:37 <CIA-9> perl: Update for keeping the debug information in the correct package Aug 11 16:10:39 <CIA-9> which is clearer. Move -dbg to the first item in the package list and Aug 11 16:10:41 <CIA-9> use .../* to match files and ignore directories. Aug 11 16:10:43 <CIA-9> 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rd8845504... 10/ (1 packages/net-snmp/net-snmp_5.1.2.bb): Aug 11 16:10:45 <CIA-9> net-snmp: Add the -dbg package to hold the new .debug files and directories. Aug 11 16:10:49 <CIA-9> Update the file specifications to ensure none of the debug files end up in Aug 11 16:10:51 <CIA-9> the main packages. Aug 11 16:10:53 <CIA-9> 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r70d23057... 10/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Aug 11 16:10:55 <CIA-9> glibc: Update for keeping the debug information in the correct package Aug 11 16:10:57 <CIA-9> which is clearer. Use .../* to match files and ignore directories. Aug 11 16:10:59 <CIA-9> 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r99f81108... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): firefox: upgrade 1.5.0.1 to 1.5.0.6 (builds, not tested on device) Aug 11 16:11:04 <CIA-9> 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r9145fc8b... 10/ (1 packages/aspell/aspell-native_0.50.5.bb): aspell-native_0.50.5.bb : add native that is required by aspell language packs Aug 11 16:11:08 <CIA-9> 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rfa44dacb... 10/ (1 packages/aspell/aspell5-en_6.0-0.bb): aspell5-en_6.0-0.bb : properly obey the licensing and add LICENSE field Aug 11 16:11:22 <koen> kergoth: did you solve your glibc 2.4 problem? Aug 11 16:39:10 <rob_w-cgi> hi .. Aug 11 16:39:25 <rob_w-cgi> what is the name of the text console http browser we have in oe ? Aug 11 16:40:53 <hrw|work> links? elinks? Aug 11 17:13:57 <pb__> hail mickeyl Aug 11 17:14:19 <mickeyl> hey pb__. how are things? welcome on board, btw :) Aug 11 17:14:38 <pb__> thanks :-) Aug 11 17:14:48 <pb__> well, I guess you should thank zecke for insisting that I send you a key Aug 11 17:14:58 <mickeyl> hehe. need to get pushed sometimes? :) Aug 11 17:15:09 <pb__> it seems :-} Aug 11 17:15:30 <pb__> I guess I should try actually committing something tomorrow. that'd be quite exciting Aug 11 17:16:16 <mickeyl> yeah. it's been a while. i wonder how you could get along without ;) Aug 11 17:17:26 <mickeyl> OT: a colleague just brought me 3*6 Leffe Bruin from Belgium. This has to last until FOSDEM 07 Aug 11 17:18:35 <pb__> hehe Aug 11 17:18:55 <pb__> thinking of leffe, it's time for me to go to the pub Aug 11 17:18:56 <pb__> later all Aug 11 17:18:59 <mallum> koen: ping Aug 11 17:19:01 <mickeyl> have fun. c8 Aug 11 17:19:06 <mickeyl> s/c8/cu/ Aug 11 17:19:32 <koen> mallum: pong Aug 11 17:20:00 <CIA-9> 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r8025b103... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): xtrans X11R7.0-1.0.0 fix missing include path in pkgconfig file. closes #1244 Aug 11 17:21:21 <mallum> koen: http://o-hand.com/~mallum/clutter-gles.png Aug 11 17:22:23 <koen> mallum: wheeee Aug 11 17:23:05 <JoeLaptop> glibc-2.4 problems? I have a pile of patches here Aug 11 17:23:36 <koen> JoeLaptop: please attach them to bugs.openembedded.org Aug 11 17:23:55 <JoeLaptop> not for OE, just curious if any of my patches apply to OE Aug 11 17:24:04 <JoeLaptop> i'll go check the bugs and see Aug 11 17:24:54 <koen> JoeLaptop: these are the patches we are applying to 2.4 in OE: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/glibc/glibc-2.4 Aug 11 17:26:05 <hrw|work> cu Aug 11 17:26:15 <hrw|gone> 10h at work is TOO much Aug 11 17:26:19 <JoeLaptop> there's a bug in iconv that i don't see adressed in any of those patches Aug 11 17:26:43 <JoeLaptop> http://cross-lfs.org/~jciccone/glibc-2.4-iconv_fix-1.patch Aug 11 17:53:59 <mr_nice_slacker> hi all Aug 11 17:54:13 <JustinP> hi mr_nice_slacker Aug 11 17:54:21 <mr_nice_slacker> hi JustinP Aug 11 17:57:25 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: I think I am to stupid for compiling the Kernel :(. Aug 11 17:58:20 <koen> mr_nice_slacker: 'bitbake virtual/kernel' Aug 11 18:00:37 <mr_nice_slacker> koen:well - yes, but I wanted to compile zeckes kernel manualy to put in some features I need. Aug 11 18:01:01 <koen> mr_nice_slacker: use OE for that Aug 11 18:01:41 <koen> it isn't that hard to 'cp .config /path/to/OE/packages/linux/l33t-s1mp4d-kernel/defconfig' Aug 11 18:02:06 <mr_nice_slacker> koen: :) - I will try the .config thx Aug 11 18:12:32 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0d5d3293... 10/ (1 packages/gpe-conf/gpe-conf_0.2.2.bb): gpe-conf: add 0.2.2 Aug 11 18:19:02 <woglinde> hm Aug 11 18:27:15 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: The .config you gave me has some options which are no longer available. this may causes to the error (read in the net). I have rebuild your config out of a fresh defconfig_simpad - but the kernel file is than 19MB. Then I searched a bit and found a hack for spark (http://makeashorterlink.com/?J25221C8D) - this I tried with defconfig_simpad - the kernel have the same sice as usual 2.9MB than with your .config Kernel builds with Aug 11 18:27:15 <mr_nice_slacker> out any error but will be 23 MB than. gcc I used was arm-elf 4.0.3. I will try out the oe .config as soon as i get monotone build ;) - I'll let you know the ongoings Aug 11 18:28:16 <woglinde> mr_nice wgat? Aug 11 18:29:10 <woglinde> mr_nice you do something wrong Aug 11 18:29:30 <woglinde> check the config with make-menuconfing ARCH=arm Aug 11 18:29:44 <woglinde> und disable stuff you dont want Aug 11 18:30:14 <woglinde> 23mb can be only when you enable a lot of drivers to build in Aug 11 18:30:21 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: the smallest kernel i was able to build was 2.4 MB. Aug 11 18:30:45 <woglinde> ??? Aug 11 18:30:50 <woglinde> what are you enable? Aug 11 18:31:11 <woglinde> have you ever configured a kernel for i386? Aug 11 18:31:22 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: well, yes Aug 11 18:31:42 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: the most parts are build as module Aug 11 18:31:49 <koen> the a780 kernel I built is ~900kiB Aug 11 18:32:03 <woglinde> koen my simpad kernels around 1.1 MB Aug 11 18:32:11 <woglinde> are Aug 11 18:32:21 <koen> woglinde: that's what I would expect Aug 11 18:32:30 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: I think I have to get me inspired by the oe .config. Aug 11 18:32:35 <koen> 2.4mb is $*($@ large Aug 11 18:32:36 <woglinde> mr_nice please review all options Aug 11 18:33:17 <koen> and use OE to build it :) Aug 11 18:34:10 <mr_nice_slacker> koen: well ... Aug 11 18:34:53 <woglinde> koen hm Aug 11 18:35:15 <woglinde> make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux- works fine Aug 11 18:35:21 <woglinde> if you set the PATH right Aug 11 18:35:43 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: i will double check all options. I need pcmcia support build in cause i boot the kernel from pcmcia - so fat is also build in - i think i have to use ymodem so i can build this parts as modules as well Aug 11 18:36:06 <woglinde> mr_nice pcmcia isnt 1 mb Aug 11 18:36:35 <woglinde> mr_nice hm booting from pcmcia works? Aug 11 18:36:40 <woglinde> cant belvieve it Aug 11 18:36:52 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: with the kernel you gave me Aug 11 18:36:59 <woglinde> hm Aug 11 18:37:10 <woglinde> okay than in 2.6 it has improved Aug 11 18:37:24 <woglinde> for 2.5 without pcmcia-utils you cannt do anything Aug 11 18:37:35 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: but not with my own :(. in your kernel config the /proc/config.gz option is not set :(. Aug 11 18:37:54 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: so i can't double check the config with yours Aug 11 18:38:18 <woglinde> ???? Aug 11 18:38:27 <woglinde> config.gz is the same as .config Aug 11 18:38:54 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC is not set Aug 11 18:39:59 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: and the config you gave me has several options activated which are no longer available Aug 11 18:40:24 <JustinP> mr_nice_slacker: make oldconfig perhaps? Aug 11 18:40:26 <koen> cp woglinde-config .config ; export ARCH=arm ; make menuconfig Aug 11 18:41:45 <woglinde> whats CONFIG_IKCONFIG_PROC for an option? Aug 11 18:42:11 <koen> woglinde: that stores the .config in /proc/config.gz Aug 11 18:42:15 <woglinde> hm Aug 11 18:42:19 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: yes Aug 11 18:42:26 <koen> so you can see what someone used to build the kernel Aug 11 18:42:47 <JustinP> very useful for debugging and such :-) Aug 11 18:42:51 <woglinde> only useful on buildsystems Aug 11 18:42:59 <mr_nice_slacker> without it is impossible Aug 11 18:43:07 <woglinde> if I have that .config Aug 11 18:43:16 <woglinde> I dont need config.gz Aug 11 18:44:37 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: i didn't wanted to bag you Aug 11 18:45:15 <woglinde> hm I even dont eneable the gadet usb stuff Aug 11 18:46:22 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: than it can't be your .config you gave me - there is CONFIG_USB_GADGET=y set Aug 11 18:46:56 <woglinde> hm okay Aug 11 18:46:58 <woglinde> ignore it Aug 11 18:47:18 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: could you please give me your config - eventually I have the wrong config Aug 11 18:48:19 <woglinde> try thisone Aug 11 18:48:20 <woglinde> http://page.inf.fu-berlin.de/~heinold/simpad-config Aug 11 18:49:52 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: it is different :) - I will try it - could take a while because my pc is slow. I will let you know - many thx Aug 11 18:52:30 <zecke> koen|away: do not INHERIT failfast Aug 11 18:52:52 <koen> duh... Aug 11 18:53:01 <mr_nice_slacker> hi zecke - did you get the botmail? hopefully I can check it with some other chips. Aug 11 18:53:04 <koen> I was looking for a way to make it conditional Aug 11 18:56:15 <zecke> koen: sorry, I thought you were offline Aug 11 19:14:55 <mr_nice_slacker> ping x29a Aug 11 19:16:10 <JustinP> mr_nice_slacker: put the name first Aug 11 19:16:17 <JustinP> mr_nice_slacker: ping (for instance) Aug 11 19:17:34 <JustinP> ~curses! Aug 11 19:17:35 <ibot> well, curses is a library for the management of in- and output for character-cell based terminals and terminal emulators.you want ncurses! Aug 11 19:21:38 <mr_nice_slacker> JustinP: ok thx Aug 11 19:21:58 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a ping Aug 11 19:22:40 <koen> JustinP: do I understand correctly that the e people want to do a proper e17 release? Aug 11 19:24:37 <mr_nice_slacker> wow - that would be awsome :) Aug 11 19:30:53 <JustinP> koen: eventually, yes....did I miss something on the list about a real (non alpha) release? Aug 11 19:35:28 <koen> JustinP: raster mentioning e18 and onefang hinting at 'getting e17 out' Aug 11 19:36:01 <JustinP> koen: I missed this....what thread was that? Aug 11 19:36:17 * JustinP doesn't have time to read every single thread for hints.... Aug 11 19:36:45 <koen> the .desktop thread Aug 11 19:37:02 <koen> JustinP: I read < 1% of the e list :) Aug 11 19:37:10 <koen> apparently the right 1% Aug 11 19:37:16 <JustinP> apparently Aug 11 19:37:26 <JustinP> I read that thread but missed that part... Aug 11 19:38:02 <JustinP> the .desktop thing is exciting, though Aug 11 19:47:04 <koen> JustinP: btw, I'm on the OE list, so I don't need a zillion copies of the mail in my inbox Aug 11 20:14:08 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * rc2d5565a... 10/ (1 README): README: document task changes and spawnfile Aug 11 20:16:39 <CIA-9> 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r296e6642... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): preferred-gpe-versions: pindown gtk-engines when pinning down gtk+ Aug 11 20:19:44 <JustinP> koen: sorry...it's a habit Aug 11 20:45:41 <JustinP> ~lart Flash Media Server+Remoting Aug 11 20:45:41 * ibot beats the living hamstercrap out of Flash Media Server+Remoting Aug 11 20:45:57 <x29a> mr_nice_slacker: pong Aug 11 20:55:48 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: hi Aug 11 20:55:57 <x29a> hey there Aug 11 20:56:24 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: i will take the image 2 times and compare it then Aug 11 20:56:33 <x29a> great Aug 11 20:56:40 <x29a> i just dont get it why it wont work Aug 11 20:56:47 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: have you read the icq about the adress? Aug 11 20:56:51 <x29a> but great expierience for osimpad.org Aug 11 20:56:59 <x29a> mr_nice_slacker: yeah, the erase-trick Aug 11 20:57:14 <x29a> but at least with me it says block and adress its flashing too Aug 11 20:57:31 <x29a> ill burn whatever works into that little piece of shit Aug 11 20:58:25 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: http://pastebin.ca/126769 i save from 0x00000000 to 0x05080000 2 times than i will compare it and flash zeros in that area - then i will reflash the image Aug 11 20:59:42 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: i have seen at my lug that it is possible to start linux right from windows mobile from a sd card on ipaq - would be verry nice to have something similiar for the simpad Aug 11 20:59:57 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: cause the linux entry step is just to high Aug 11 21:00:03 <koen> mr_nice_slacker: haret.exe Aug 11 21:00:56 <mr_nice_slacker> koen: thx - it will only work on ipaqs or? Aug 11 21:01:14 <x29a> mr_nice_slacker: maybe if we can get around the source Aug 11 21:01:27 <x29a> i think no ipaq ships with hpc2000 or wince4.1net Aug 11 21:01:53 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: well thats right Aug 11 21:02:20 <koen> the source is in handhelds.org cvs Aug 11 21:02:56 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: we should have a look at it. Aug 11 21:03:01 <x29a> mr_nice_slacker: should Aug 11 21:03:02 <x29a> have Aug 11 21:03:04 <x29a> future Aug 11 21:03:09 <x29a> i first wonna get my simpad back Aug 11 21:03:18 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: well yes Aug 11 21:03:26 <x29a> hell yes! Aug 11 21:03:43 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: it is at addr: 0x00387000 at the moment Aug 11 21:03:51 <x29a> uff, k Aug 11 21:04:02 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: it could take a while Aug 11 21:04:15 <x29a> erasing isnt that bad Aug 11 21:04:30 <x29a> do you have any knowledge about siemensbootloader and pcmcia? Aug 11 21:04:40 <x29a> i mean, why is it checking at all? Aug 11 21:05:04 <woglinde> x29a because you can netboot via pcmia with the siemens-bl Aug 11 21:05:26 <woglinde> the hh-loader cant Aug 11 21:05:37 <woglinde> but boot from cf Aug 11 21:05:58 <x29a> oh, so pcmcia support is for netdevices only Aug 11 21:06:11 <woglinde> yes Aug 11 21:06:45 <woglinde> and you can transport flashfiles wie net-pcmcia Aug 11 21:06:54 <x29a> woglinde: cause i have the problem right now that serload wont start serial download when updating original bootldr (flashed by jtag) Aug 11 21:06:59 <woglinde> which is really faster than via serial Aug 11 21:07:07 <x29a> and maybe works.... Aug 11 21:16:21 <poushag> can someone confirm for me that oz images are tested first (by hrw iirc) so that they arent any risk to overwriting the flash program (in other words that official OZ released Zimage, initrd.bin will not brick a Z) Aug 11 21:17:02 <koen> you can't brick a Z Aug 11 21:17:08 <koen> (only a collie) Aug 11 21:17:19 <koen> and it's still hard to do Aug 11 21:17:21 <poushag> yes koen its the collie i meant Aug 11 21:17:25 <koen> ah Aug 11 21:17:46 <JustinP> I have been telling him it's possible to brick a collie and he won't listen to me Aug 11 21:18:06 <JustinP> poushag: as long as you check the md5 you're not likely to brick it Aug 11 21:18:30 <poushag> its not that i wont listen - im saying that oz releases wont brick a collie Aug 11 21:18:58 <JustinP> not won't Aug 11 21:19:02 <JustinP> they are not likely to Aug 11 21:19:14 <JustinP> if you flash properly they are very not likely to Aug 11 21:19:22 <JustinP> but it's still possible Aug 11 21:20:55 <koen> afaik only an oversize kernel or a user frobbing /dev/mtd by hand can brick a collie Aug 11 21:21:03 <koen> (that, and a hammer) Aug 11 21:22:40 <poushag> koen thats what im trying to say - if you arent writing to the part that has the flash program then you can always flash again Aug 11 21:22:56 <poushag> and oz releases are never big anough to write that part Aug 11 21:23:19 <poushag> now the sharp rom - ok i see the risk there Aug 11 21:23:30 * JustinP shakes his head Aug 11 21:25:44 <koen> cp initrd.bin zImage.bin Aug 11 21:25:52 <kergoth> a-atwood: hey alan, how ya been? Aug 11 21:25:55 <koen> enjoy your new doorstop Aug 11 21:26:41 <a-atwood> kergoth: howd man. been VERY busy keeping CVS running. We are beginning to exceed it's capabilities Aug 11 21:27:05 <a-atwood> kergoth: er, howdy, that is Aug 11 21:27:08 * JustinP imports 1000 files into CVS and it blows up Aug 11 21:27:38 <a-atwood> lol. pretty much. Aug 11 21:28:00 <a-atwood> actually, don't know whether immediate problem is cvsnt client, or PuTTY. Aug 11 21:28:23 <a-atwood> but getting broken pipe messages on massive updates. Aug 11 21:28:47 <a-atwood> doesn't have a problem from Solaris/Linux. Aug 11 21:28:49 * JustinP nods Aug 11 21:30:52 * koen wants a tortoiseMTN Aug 11 21:31:07 <koen> or a mtn fuse driver Aug 11 21:33:37 <x29a> mr_nice_slacker: hows it goin? Aug 11 21:36:16 <rob_w> will the oe dropbear support ssh tunnels ? Aug 11 21:36:33 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: well it is not the fastest connection :( - it is at addr: 0x004F1000 Aug 11 21:36:59 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: I think it may will take over night Aug 11 21:37:04 <koen> rob_w: it should Aug 11 21:37:18 <x29a> mr_nice_slacker: k, thx in advance, im off to bed Aug 11 21:38:54 <rob_w> i tryed today but didnt manage to tunnel vnc Aug 11 21:39:02 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: good night - I will write you if it would be complete Aug 11 21:43:52 <rob_w> cu Aug 11 21:44:14 <x29a> mr_nice_slacker: yeah, thx Aug 11 22:48:49 <zecke> good nite Aug 11 23:35:51 <zecke> ~botmail for koen I saw a build-time issue with iconv Aug 11 23:36:11 <zecke> ~botmail for koen Some ancient ibm coded lacked a rule but then it was there... Aug 11 23:36:27 <koen> the usual voodoo Aug 11 23:37:39 <zecke> glibc does not support -j Aug 11 23:37:50 <koen> I know that Aug 11 23:38:31 <zecke> I will sleep now Aug 11 23:38:43 * zecke haves fun with OSX, hg and dvb-apps repo... Aug 12 01:17:12 <Kerwood> koen+zecke: get some freakin' sleep! You're both up too late!!! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Aug 12 02:59:56 2006