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Aug 12 06:49:01 <KodeK> im thinking of turning my zaurus into an X10 remote (for my house), but the only programming language i know really well is java. is my idea reasonable?
Aug 12 08:36:16 <cyrilRomain> morning
Aug 12 08:40:46 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8f554c5d... 10/ (1 packages/linux/handhelds-pxa-2.6/h5xxx/defconfig): h5xxx: update defconfig
Aug 12 08:40:57 <CIA-9> 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r2813b5b3... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Aug 12 08:40:57 <CIA-9> sqlite 3*: s/include/require/g. I added the include's yesterday when they
Aug 12 08:40:57 <CIA-9> should have been require (as per rev fd003213c48ea0ec299e5dee66a093d54272b35a).
Aug 12 08:41:03 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r71d10620... 10/ (1 conf/machine/efika.conf conf/machine/ep93xx.conf): efika, ep93xx: stop using the obsolete linux-modules class
Aug 12 08:55:26 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r16dd48c2... 10/ (1 packages/ntp/ntp_4.2.0.bb): ntp 4.2.0: fix PACKAGES to include debug files
Aug 12 10:07:05 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r49599e97... 10/ (1 packages/nautilus/nautilus_2.12.2.bb): nautilus 2.12: add libexif to depends
Aug 12 10:07:15 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5f259498... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): ipaq-sleep 0.9: add patch to fix install issues
Aug 12 10:28:37 <CIA-9> 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r33f7d2ba... 10/ (1 packages/angstrom/task-angstrom.bb): 
Aug 12 10:28:37 <CIA-9> task-angstrom.bb : add util-linux-mount/umount to RDEPENDS of base so that
Aug 12 10:28:37 <CIA-9> filesystems get mounted on boot. mount -at nfs has problems with busybox
Aug 12 10:28:37 <CIA-9> that stops this working.
Aug 12 10:43:13 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6bd8be90... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): udev 092: fix hostap on h2200, courtesy Joshua Layne
Aug 12 11:24:03 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc9babd5c... 10/ (1 packages/gtk+/gtk+_2.8.9.bb): gtk+ 2.8.9: s/jpg/jpeg/
Aug 12 11:33:23 <eFfeM> hi, slightly off-topic, but has anyone a good suggestion on how to test a usb flash drive for badblocks; I used the badblocks program but as it writes all blocks first with the same pattern, I fear that addressing errors are not detected (and I fear my stick has addressing errors)
Aug 12 11:34:12 <zecke> I have no idea
Aug 12 11:35:08 <koen> zecke: http://scratchbox.org/wiki/OpenEmbedded
Aug 12 11:36:00 <zecke> hehe
Aug 12 11:36:15 * zecke needs to reinstall the mac again...
Aug 12 11:40:30 <mickeyl> koen: so what will you spend your 2nd cheque on? gadgets? :D
Aug 12 11:40:33 <mickeyl> morning folks
Aug 12 11:41:33 <pgfeller> meckeyl: morning mickeyl
Aug 12 11:41:38 <mickeyl> good morning pgfeller
Aug 12 11:42:00 <pgfeller> mickeyl: did you get my ansers via e-mail regarding vnc?
Aug 12 11:42:22 <mickeyl> pgfeller: yeah, got them. sorry, didn't have time to reply yet. my life is getting even more busy than usual in the last weeks
Aug 12 11:42:34 <koen> mickeyl: I think the top 2 items of http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/wishlist and save the rest for a rainy day
Aug 12 11:43:13 <pgfeller> mickeyl: no problem - just wanted to know that you are aware of the brocken dependencie
Aug 12 11:43:25 <mickeyl> koen: heh, sweet! i like the random order with that porsche in between
Aug 12 11:43:35 <mickeyl> pgfeller: yes, thanks. I'll handle that when I have a chance
Aug 12 11:43:37 <koen> :)
Aug 12 11:43:52 <pgfeller> mickeyl: thanks.
Aug 12 11:43:57 <mickeyl> actually I would prefer a BMW M5 to a 911, but that's a matter of taste :D
Aug 12 11:44:22 <koen> the m5 is too kde
Aug 12 11:44:28 <mickeyl> heh
Aug 12 11:45:10 <koen> there's a top gear episode where they want to do a drag race with a m5, but it takes them 20 minutes to tweak all the settings :)
Aug 12 11:45:27 <CIA-9> 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * r72f3c1ab... 10/ (1 classes/kernel.bbclass classes/module.bbclass): 
Aug 12 11:45:27 <CIA-9> kernel.bbclass, module.bbclass: changed depmod -A into depmod -a
Aug 12 11:45:27 <CIA-9>  see http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/oe/102/10225.html
Aug 12 11:45:33 <mickeyl> heh, funny. yeah, it's not exactly a race car, it just happens to have the power to be one
Aug 12 11:46:00 <koen> and it doesn't have the midlife-crises like of a sportscar
Aug 12 11:46:19 <mickeyl> hehe. to be honest, I rather buy a Mercedes SLK 300 to accompany my BMW 325 as everyday-car.
Aug 12 11:46:37 <mickeyl> one car for showing off, one for the basics
Aug 12 11:46:40 <mickeyl> *shrug*
Aug 12 11:46:54 <mickeyl> lets see how this freelancing career proceeds ;)
Aug 12 11:47:43 <mickeyl> you can spend a fortune on those lenses can't you?
Aug 12 11:56:00 <pgfeller> if the linker complains "ld: cannot find -lXext", then I have to add a dependencie to "xextensions" - right?
Aug 12 11:58:32 <koen> mickeyl: yes, you can, they can go upto 100.000 euros a piece
Aug 12 11:59:38 <koen> mickeyl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_1200mm_lens <- for a pro paparazzi
Aug 12 12:00:44 <mickeyl> wow
Aug 12 12:00:48 <mickeyl> that's insane
Aug 12 12:02:41 <koen> There's a tabloid photographer in the netherlands that has one
Aug 12 12:02:53 <koen> and he says it has repaid itself many times
Aug 12 12:03:11 <koen> I guess we're in the wrong line of work ;)
Aug 12 12:03:34 <mickeyl> indeed
Aug 12 12:09:46 <pgfeller> mhhh... libvncserver doesn`t build (link) - probably a missing dependency; details @ http://pastebin.ca/127676 - any advice?
Aug 12 12:14:41 <koen> mickeyl: is http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/using-openembedded-toolchains-in-scratchbox worth sending a mail to oe@ ?
Aug 12 12:15:53 <mickeyl> koen: absolutely! that's pretty cool
Aug 12 12:16:39 <mickeyl> pgfeller: is xextionsions built?
Aug 12 12:16:47 <mickeyl> xextensions, even
Aug 12 12:18:56 <pgfeller> how can I check this? - is "/stuff/tmp/stamps/" a reliable indicator?
Aug 12 12:19:02 <mickeyl> absolutely
Aug 12 12:19:31 <zecke> I love people using /stuff :)
Aug 12 12:19:37 <mickeyl> another thing to check is whether libXext.so is actually present in tmp/<target-arch>/lib/
Aug 12 12:19:38 <mickeyl> heh
Aug 12 12:19:51 <mickeyl> sorry, tmp/staging/<target-arch>/lib/ even
Aug 12 12:20:22 <pgfeller> ls -l | grep xext in OE (dev) @ /stuff/tmp/stamps/arm-linux/ returned "xextproto-X11R7.0-7.0.2-r0"
Aug 12 12:21:25 <pgfeller> find ./ -name libXext.so in OE (dev) @ /stuff/tmp/ is still working ...
Aug 12 12:21:57 <mickeyl> sounds like we should add libxext to DEPENDS 
Aug 12 12:23:28 <pgfeller> find ./ -name libXext.so did not find it
Aug 12 12:23:41 <mickeyl> ok, bitbake libxext and try again
Aug 12 12:24:24 <pgfeller> ok
Aug 12 12:26:09 <koen> hey pH5 
Aug 12 12:26:53 <pH5> hey koen 
Aug 12 12:28:14 <koen> mickeyl: mail sent
Aug 12 12:30:19 <mickeyl> cool!
Aug 12 12:32:22 <RP> morning all
Aug 12 12:32:28 <mickeyl> hey RP
Aug 12 12:35:20 * mickeyl ponders whether to celebrate the 25th birthday of the PC or not
Aug 12 12:35:39 <pb_> hail mickeyl
Aug 12 12:35:45 <pb_> hi ph5
Aug 12 12:36:05 <mickeyl> hey pb_
Aug 12 12:36:29 * mickeyl brews some coffee for the forthcoming (sigh) family meeting
Aug 12 12:36:39 <pb_> heh
Aug 12 12:37:52 <koen> hey RP 
Aug 12 12:39:11 <pH5> hi RP, pb_ 
Aug 12 12:41:08 * RP ponders dependency graphs...
Aug 12 13:42:08 <pgfeller_> * oe still building libxext  :-)
Aug 12 13:45:00 <Ifaistos> ~lart power shortages
Aug 12 13:45:01 * ibot blasts power shortages to oblivion with a kamehameha wave
Aug 12 14:02:25 <pgfeller_> mickeyl: .. unfortunately I have to leave & the build progess is not finished yet ... but I'll let you know if building libext solved the problem.
Aug 12 14:09:30 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: addr: 0x02E5A000 :( I think it could take another 20 hours
Aug 12 14:23:32 <poushag> morning
Aug 12 14:26:39 <woglinde> hi effem
Aug 12 14:26:59 <eFfeM> hi woglinde
Aug 12 14:27:06 <poushag> morning - wouldn't it be cool to have a file for each package in the .dev repository that was just a log of changes to the package (date/time, name, comment)?
Aug 12 14:28:49 <poushag> in other words just look inside the pkg folder and open the logfile to see what was done to it for the history of the pkg
Aug 12 14:29:03 <koen> poushag: we have 'mtn log' for that
Aug 12 14:29:08 <koen> no need to duplicate info
Aug 12 14:29:33 <poushag> i disagree becasue i cant run mtn log on my Z
Aug 12 14:29:42 <woglinde> lol
Aug 12 14:29:43 <poushag> i dont have enough space for the db
Aug 12 14:30:06 <koen> that's your problem, not ours
Aug 12 14:30:42 <eFfeM> poushag: do a mtn log on the system you have the db and redirect to a file which you keep on your z
Aug 12 14:31:35 <poushag> effem, thx for the contructive comment
Aug 12 14:33:33 <eFfeM> can i just remove -malignment-traps and -mapcs-32 from CFLAGS (as they do not exist any more in gcc4)
Aug 12 14:35:09 <woglinde> effem hm?
Aug 12 14:35:23 <poushag> i thinking this:  if i make a nightly script to run mtn pull, update, log for each pkg and dump output to respective pkg folders on my webserver
Aug 12 14:36:44 <eFfeM> woglinde, I am looking at madwifi-ng, this one fails to build for me due to these two -m options which do not exist any more, but I am not 100% sure if I can just leave them out
Aug 12 14:36:47 <poushag> but that may have to wait until i get oe on the mac - since the webserver is there - not on my current oe build vm
Aug 12 14:36:55 <eFfeM> the options were there in gcc3.4 but not in gcc4.1
Aug 12 14:38:55 <pb_> eFfeM: yeah, both of those options are the default anyway
Aug 12 14:38:58 <woglinde> effem hm there are some machines which needs gcc-3.4 hm ask koen how to override it for gcc-4.1
Aug 12 14:39:03 <woglinde> oder pb
Aug 12 14:39:07 <woglinde> ups or
Aug 12 14:39:14 <pb_> heh
Aug 12 14:39:42 <woglinde> I dont jae the knowledge yet
Aug 12 14:39:46 <woglinde> have
Aug 12 14:40:04 <eFfeM> woglinde: ok; as the maintainer was mentioned as nslu2-linux I assumed no-one outside nslu2 used this (and nslu2 moved to gcc4.1)
Aug 12 14:40:34 <eFfeM> figure out i need an ifdef
Aug 12 14:40:54 <eFfeM> issue is that I cannot test this, but it breaks our autobuild
Aug 12 14:41:15 <eFfeM> probably temp remove the file from the build script and let someone more knowledgeable fix this ....
Aug 12 14:41:18 <pb_> that's probably a bad assumption; the MAINTAINER isn't necessarily the only user
Aug 12 14:41:39 <eFfeM> pb_: yes that's true
Aug 12 14:42:01 <eFfeM> also mentioning nslu2-linux as maintainer is not really helpful, I'd rather see a person there 
Aug 12 14:43:08 <pb_> I'm pretty sure that removing those two options is safe for any version of gcc.  -mapcs-32 has been the default since about gcc 2.8, and -malignment-traps is basically irrelevant for anything above arm7.
Aug 12 14:44:38 <eFfeM> hm, nslu2 is ixp420 = ARMv5TE
Aug 12 14:45:01 <eFfeM> no idea what arm cores other distros have
Aug 12 14:45:42 <eFfeM> rwhitby: what is your opinion on this ? 
Aug 12 14:48:17 <koen> afaik we don't have support for any arm7 cpu in OE
Aug 12 14:50:35 <eFfeM> koen, do you feel I can remove those two options ?
Aug 12 14:57:54 <v8jlene> eFfeM: I'm using madwifi_ng but not on arm so changing those options won't effect me..
Aug 12 14:59:00 <koen> eFfeM: yes
Aug 12 14:59:10 <eFfeM> ok will do
Aug 12 15:30:24 <x29a> ping mr_nice_slacker 
Aug 12 15:35:39 <woglinde> hehe
Aug 12 15:35:59 <x29a> woglinde: has he been around?
Aug 12 15:36:21 <woglinde> x29a yes
Aug 12 15:36:34 <woglinde> -> x29a: addr: 0x02E5A000 :( I think it could take another 20 hours
Aug 12 15:36:35 <x29a> did he mention an image for me?
Aug 12 15:36:45 <x29a> woo shit
Aug 12 15:37:00 <x29a> darn
Aug 12 16:12:46 <pb_> hi lrg
Aug 12 16:13:23 <lrg> hey Phil
Aug 12 16:13:59 <nchip> is there any documentation on how users should use the endresult of task-sdk ?
Aug 12 16:14:30 <lrg> pb_: got your message, iirc Markku is back on Monday. Looks like a hw issue. 
Aug 12 16:15:37 <pb_> lrg: yeah, I think his out-of-office mail said he was back on Monday
Aug 12 16:16:20 <pb_> lrg: I'm pretty sure it's a hardware problem too, since we use the same software on about ten different boards and only one of them seems to have the problem.  I plan to do some more testing next week to see if we can make it happen on any of the others, though.
Aug 12 16:17:02 <XorA> hey lrg
Aug 12 16:17:12 <lrg> hey Graeme
Aug 12 16:17:24 <lrg> XorA: did you get mail 
Aug 12 16:17:52 <XorA> lrg: from you or hr?
Aug 12 16:17:58 <lrg> hr
Aug 12 16:18:35 <XorA> lrg: yes, they are annoying, I took day of work then they shifted to tuesday
Aug 12 16:19:30 <lrg> XorA: they are a pita at times, I won't see you as I'm working from home on Tuesday
Aug 12 16:19:44 <lrg> XorA: being called away now. bbl
Aug 12 16:19:50 <XorA> lrg: ok, cya
Aug 12 16:20:08 <XorA> lrg: going to have to have a house emergency on tuesday so I can not go into my work :-)
Aug 12 16:27:05 <koen> nchip: you'd have to ask florian(_kc)
Aug 12 16:29:22 <koen> nchip: "Almost everything you need should be included in the archive, just unpack it to /. "
Aug 12 16:46:38 <eFfeM> hm, if I do an mtn head I get: mtn: misuse: please specify a branch, with --branch=BRANCH
Aug 12 16:46:45 <eFfeM> ditto for mtn merge
Aug 12 16:46:56 <eFfeM> what is wrong here / what should I type ?
Aug 12 16:49:18 <koen> eFfeM: it looks you're outside your working copy
Aug 12 16:50:25 <eFfeM> koen, I am in my openembedded dir and did a commit just before (which I now want to push)
Aug 12 16:50:31 <eFfeM> had a disk full earlier today though
Aug 12 16:50:56 <koen> koen@bitbake:~/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.dev$ mtn head
Aug 12 16:50:56 <koen> mtn: branch 'org.openembedded.dev' is currently merged:
Aug 12 16:50:56 <koen> 6009357950b3a50b0fed71979b443ad56c095135 eFfeM@openembedded.org 2006-08-12T12:01:32
Aug 12 16:51:32 <eFfeM> has my madwifi change come through ?
Aug 12 16:51:48 <eFfeM> is 12.01 my 17.01 ?
Aug 12 16:52:03 <koen> did you push to oe or nslu2?
Aug 12 16:52:26 <eFfeM> nslu2
Aug 12 16:52:51 <koen> is nslu2 still broken when it comes to syncing?
Aug 12 16:52:59 <eFfeM> didn't saw cia mentioning it, but since you mentioned that the head was meged and I was on the head ....
Aug 12 16:53:43 <eFfeM> the merge is indeed 5 hrs ago, so not the last change
Aug 12 16:55:25 <eFfeM> hmm. _MTN/options has a line database "" 
Aug 12 16:55:27 <eFfeM> is that ok ?
Aug 12 16:55:52 <koen> koen@bitbake:~/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/packages/gtk+$ cat ../../_MTN/options 
Aug 12 16:55:52 <koen>   branch "org.openembedded.dev"
Aug 12 16:55:53 <koen> database "/home/koen/OE/monotone/OE-commit.mtn"
Aug 12 16:55:53 <koen>      key ""
Aug 12 16:55:53 <koen>   keydir ""
Aug 12 16:55:59 <koen> that's what I have
Aug 12 16:56:10 <eFfeM> ok, tnx
Aug 12 16:59:24 <eFfeM> i think something got wrong when i got the disk full, will nuke my tree and restart from scratch (saving my change first so I can reapply it later on)
Aug 12 17:00:02 <eFfeM> (i don't have an openembedded/monotone dir so things seem seriously wrong)
Aug 12 17:10:45 <RP> debian.bbclass is flawed. If package A RDEPENDS on B and B RDEPENDS on A, its impossible to package them as when packaging one you need to know about potential magic renaming of the other :-/
Aug 12 17:11:42 <RP> The same applies for RRECOMMENDS...
Aug 12 17:11:49 <koen> ouch
Aug 12 17:13:42 * RP -> food
Aug 12 17:38:59 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4e07ea09... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): libmimedir 0.4.0: add patch by Martin Felis to fix list append behaviour
Aug 12 17:40:04 * JustinP doesn't understand what scratchbox adds...
Aug 12 17:41:36 <XorA> scratchbox is qemu based?
Aug 12 17:44:03 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: pong
Aug 12 17:44:16 * JustinP ha sno idea
Aug 12 17:44:28 <JustinP> it just seems to be...another build environment
Aug 12 17:45:03 <XorA> ah it is, means I cant run it anyway
Aug 12 17:52:29 <RP> JustinP: Its more a development environment 
Aug 12 17:55:23 <JustinP> RP: meaning....
Aug 12 17:57:23 <lrg> re
Aug 12 17:57:51 <zecke> wb
Aug 12 17:59:07 <pb_> hail zecke
Aug 12 17:59:43 <pb_> whoops
Aug 12 17:59:51 <RP> JustinP: You can run applications under it and develop software against it rather that it being a build system
Aug 12 18:00:13 <pb_> I wonder why xchat started putting the close button down there.
Aug 12 18:00:14 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9e98fb14... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): udev: add mount.blacklist for h2200 and ipaq-pxa270
Aug 12 18:00:23 <zecke> pb_: hehe
Aug 12 18:00:26 <lrg> RP: think I've got the static issue solved. will send patch tonight 
Aug 12 18:00:32 <RP> wb lrg 
Aug 12 18:00:43 <RP> lrg: great. thanks :)
Aug 12 18:00:44 <JustinP> RP: so it uses qemu to emulate building natively?
Aug 12 18:00:57 <RP> JustinP: yes
Aug 12 18:02:19 <RP> JustinP: They're two different approaches. Personally, I think OE has much more structure and believe OE can expand to make scratchbox obsolete
Aug 12 18:03:23 <JustinP> RP: yeah, I don't see how one would package with scratchbox
Aug 12 18:03:44 <JustinP> RP: OE could definately have a "qemu" class or something to make building "natively" work
Aug 12 18:04:14 <RP> JustinP: It packages the same way as debian now
Aug 12 18:04:40 <RP> JustinP: We need things like packaged staging to compete with their rootstraps
Aug 12 18:04:51 <JustinP> what is a rootstrap?
Aug 12 18:05:12 <RP> basically a root filesystem but with all the dev packages
Aug 12 18:05:38 <RP> Their filesystem/rootstrap is our staging
Aug 12 18:06:10 <JustinP> hmmm...ok
Aug 12 18:06:20 <JustinP> well, packaged staging is nearly done according to koen :-)
Aug 12 18:07:57 <nchip> RP: rootstraps are not needed anymore, you can just apt-get any -dev packages to the target you need 
Aug 12 18:08:44 <RP> nchip: Ah, that makes sense. So we need packaged staging to compete :)
Aug 12 18:09:27 <nchip> RP: nah you need ability to build .deb and .rpm based systems ;)
Aug 12 18:10:33 <JustinP> that's just additional bbclasses....shouldn't be too hard
Aug 12 18:11:49 <koen> mv foo.ipk foo.dev and patch dpkg to accept all our wonky archs
Aug 12 18:11:56 <koen> .deb*
Aug 12 18:11:58 <RP> nchip: converting a deb <-> ipk is straighforard
Aug 12 18:14:52 <pb_> zecke: drat, my attempt to check out from monotone seems to have failed.
Aug 12 18:14:55 <pb_> mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openembedded.org, disconnecting
Aug 12 18:14:59 <pb_> should I just try again?
Aug 12 18:15:41 * RP -> food
Aug 12 18:15:55 <JustinP> pb_: mtn pull openembedded.org
Aug 12 18:16:02 <JustinP> AFAIK you don't need monotone.
Aug 12 18:16:16 <koen> pb_: checkout doesn't talk to a server, so something is certainly wrong
Aug 12 18:17:54 <pb_> JustinP: monotone.openembedded.org seems just to be a cname for openembedded.org, so I don't imagine that will make much difference apart from reducing typing.
Aug 12 18:18:08 <pb_> not that reducing typing is something to be sniffed at, of course
Aug 12 18:19:04 <koen> it's a CNAME *now* but that might change in the near future
Aug 12 18:19:33 <koen> and since mtn store stuff like that in the db you only have to type it in once
Aug 12 18:27:54 <zecke> pb_: mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org "org.openembedded.*" works?
Aug 12 18:28:22 <pb_> zecke: the first time I tried, it ran for a while and then gave that i/o error.
Aug 12 18:28:35 <pb_> I tried again, and now it seems to be just sitting there doing nothing
Aug 12 18:28:51 <zecke> not good
Aug 12 18:29:03 <zecke> do you happen to be behind a firewall?
Aug 12 18:30:00 <CIA-9> 03koen 07org.oe.packaged-staging * r47363dce... 10/ (1 README): README: start documenting installing of regular packages
Aug 12 18:31:01 <pb_> yes, but not a terribly restrictive one
Aug 12 18:31:08 <pb_> does monotone need to do anything really weird?
Aug 12 18:31:42 <pb_> our firewall doesn't do any filtering on outbound, so monotone should be fine so long as it doesn't need to make any connections back to my client.
Aug 12 18:32:10 <zecke> pb_: okay then you should be fine
Aug 12 18:32:52 * zecke is too stupid to fix the braks and adjust the gear on his bike...
Aug 12 18:33:50 <pb_> zecke: okay
Aug 12 18:33:58 <pb_> I guess I should delete the db file and start over
Aug 12 18:34:29 <koen> did you use http://www.openembedded.org/snapshots/OE.mtn.bz2 ?
Aug 12 18:34:39 <pb_> no
Aug 12 18:34:50 <koen> try using that
Aug 12 18:35:01 <koen> as the GettingStarted suggests
Aug 12 18:35:51 <pb_> I guess I'll try that if it fails again this time.
Aug 12 18:41:50 <pb_> zecke: oh, I just remembered that I have monotone 0.28, not 0.27.  will that be a problem?
Aug 12 18:43:03 <pb_> the monotonephrasebook says "NOTE: You need to have monotone 0.27 now !" but I'm not sure how seriously to take that.
Aug 12 18:43:45 <JustinP> pb_: 0.28 works fine
Aug 12 18:43:50 <pb_> very good
Aug 12 18:44:16 <x29a> ping mr_nice_slacker 
Aug 12 18:44:17 <pb_> well, I'll leave it to do its monotonic thing for a while
Aug 12 18:44:34 <pb_> it says 2149/35550, so I suppose it will take some time
Aug 12 18:45:20 <JustinP> pb_: you should be using a snapshot
Aug 12 18:45:32 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r51222492... 10/ (1 packages/meta/slugos-packages.bb): slugos-packages: Demoted madwifi-ng - fails to build on nudi
Aug 12 18:45:37 <CIA-9> 03eFfeM 07org.oe.dev * rb2242c9c... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
Aug 12 18:45:37 <CIA-9> madwifi: removed -mapcs-32 and -malignment-traps from patches.
Aug 12 18:45:37 <CIA-9>  these are not supported for gcc4 and after discussion in #oe it
Aug 12 18:45:37 <CIA-9>  was considered safe to remove them as even on gcc3 they apparently do
Aug 12 18:45:38 <CIA-9>  not have any effect above arm7
Aug 12 18:45:42 <CIA-9> 03rwhitby 07org.oe.dev * r41f08fea... 10/ (1 conf/distro/ucslugc.conf): ucslugc: Go back to gcc 3.4.4 until someone gets gcc 4.1.1 to work for ucslugc.
Aug 12 18:51:07 <pb_> JustinP: I'd rather not.
Aug 12 18:52:43 <zecke> pb_: I don't use the snapshot as well. But the snapshot is more like a bootstrap
Aug 12 18:52:56 <zecke> pb_: you get it once and then use that as your normal db, but I guess you know that
Aug 12 18:55:18 <pb_> yeah, I know how it works.  But I would prefer to check out directly from the repository if possible, just on general principles.
Aug 12 18:55:55 <zecke> pb_: I share the same priniciple
Aug 12 18:56:58 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: I have some good news for you ;) - I have to upload it now
Aug 12 18:57:48 <JustinP> pb_: no....
Aug 12 18:58:01 <JustinP> pb_: I meant the snapshot OE db
Aug 12 18:58:15 <JustinP> pb_: you use it as your db...same thing as pulling everything
Aug 12 18:59:18 <pb_> JustinP: I understand what you meant.
Aug 12 19:00:35 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: here is the link (http://opensimpad.org/images/7/7a/Test.loader.2.5.3.img) - please tell me the result right after flashing ;)
Aug 12 19:00:53 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: I will test it myself right now
Aug 12 19:01:46 <Ifaistos> i need to create a package per driver kernel driver module, for an external driver (zaptel). How can i do it ? FILES_${PN} = "/lib/modules/" would create a single package right ?
Aug 12 19:04:03 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: I have extracted it from a too big file. the adress given by the loader was wrong
Aug 12 19:04:27 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: better it was not wrong but in bit and not in byte *lol
Aug 12 19:04:52 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: next time i have to read better
Aug 12 19:13:35 <JustinP> Ifaistos: the kernel bbs usually create an ipk per module
Aug 12 19:14:10 <pb_> hell, now one of our servers has fallen over
Aug 12 19:14:21 * pb_ heads over to the office to find out what's up
Aug 12 19:21:14 <Ifaistos> JustinP: Its an external module, build from a .bb (zaptel.bb) i am working on
Aug 12 19:31:05 <x29a> mr_nice_slacker: just started to flash myself (actually just putting a reference into the irclog in order to track time)
Aug 12 19:45:20 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: good luck :)
Aug 12 19:45:37 <x29a> mr_nice_slacker: how far are you?
Aug 12 19:45:52 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: mine is still flashing
Aug 12 19:46:00 <x29a> which block?
Aug 12 19:46:48 <mr_nice_slacker> addr: 0x0003F1..
Aug 12 19:47:00 <x29a> das 0.4.x not say the block its writing to?
Aug 12 19:47:01 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: it is to fast to get the last 2 one
Aug 12 19:47:32 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: now i am on block 2
Aug 12 19:47:38 <x29a> block 0 unlocked
Aug 12 19:47:38 <x29a> erasing block 0: 0
Aug 12 19:47:38 <x29a> addr: 0x0001FFFE
Aug 12 19:47:38 <x29a> block 1 unlocked
Aug 12 19:47:38 <x29a> erasing block 1: 0
Aug 12 19:47:43 <x29a> ill get you
Aug 12 19:47:57 <x29a> i started somewhat later and im still faster
Aug 12 19:48:05 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: could be
Aug 12 19:48:25 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: you can change the speed of jtag connection
Aug 12 19:49:44 <x29a> how?
Aug 12 19:50:01 <x29a> i thought that was cpu-limited so should be the same
Aug 12 19:50:09 <x29a> is more speed a reason for more errors?
Aug 12 19:50:12 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: if i get it right than one block is 131072 byte so it  should need 5 blocks or so
Aug 12 19:50:32 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: i don't know i didn't changed it
Aug 12 19:51:03 <x29a> i havent changed it either
Aug 12 19:51:16 <x29a> u think that could be v0.4.x versus 0.5.1?
Aug 12 19:51:18 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: you can build a active cable - it may will reduce the errors
Aug 12 19:51:29 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: don't know
Aug 12 19:51:56 <x29a> cable should be kinda the same or?
Aug 12 19:52:30 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: my cable isn't soldered very well
Aug 12 19:53:11 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: but it does the job ;)
Aug 12 19:53:33 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: i will build up a active one - as soon as i can find some time for it
Aug 12 19:54:21 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: i need to help my girlfriend with cooking - i come back a bit later
Aug 12 20:00:09 <x29a> good luck
Aug 12 20:31:23 <x29a> mr_nice_slacker: block 4
Aug 12 20:42:24 <pb_> aha
Aug 12 20:42:25 <pb_> mtn: successful exchange with monotone.openembedded.org
Aug 12 20:43:10 <XorA> pb_: sorted
Aug 12 20:43:50 <XorA> damn Zs for having no fpu
Aug 12 20:45:23 <pb_> ibot, botmail for zecke: hurrah, my monotone pull succeeded on this attempt
Aug 12 20:45:48 <woglinde> pb gratz
Aug 12 20:45:56 <pb_> :-)
Aug 12 20:49:33 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a:erasing block 5: 0 - addr: 0x000A0FFE - complete :) - i will boot now
Aug 12 20:50:22 <mr_nice_slacker> x29a: it boots :)
Aug 12 20:50:46 <woglinde> mr:_nice gratz
Aug 12 20:51:20 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: thx
Aug 12 20:51:43 <mr_nice_slacker> woglinde: but i hope it will work for x29a as well
Aug 12 21:22:55 <Greg2> hello everyone
Aug 12 21:36:08 <koen> hey Greg2 
Aug 12 21:37:20 <Greg2> hi koen
Aug 12 21:37:43 <Greg2> koen: I have a serial cable now :)
Aug 12 21:41:02 <koen> Greg2: cool
Aug 12 21:41:12 <woglinde> ~seen zecke
Aug 12 21:41:21 <ibot> zecke <n=ich@88.134.164.33> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 2h 45m 27s ago, saying: 'pb_: I share the same priniciple'.
Aug 12 21:59:51 <Greg2> koen: in regard to poodle -> VFS: Mounted root (jffs2 filesystem) readonly.
Aug 12 21:59:52 <Greg2> Freeing init memory: 76K
Aug 12 21:59:52 <Greg2> This is where it stops and asked for alboot password... which I can't enter because the serial cable connecter blocks the Z keyboard? 
Aug 12 22:00:30 <koen> no idea on that
Aug 12 22:01:14 <koen> you could try an updated image: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20060812/c7x0/
Aug 12 22:01:32 <koen> we fixed a lot of bugs in the bootprocess lately
Aug 12 22:01:41 <Greg2> I am ;) 
Aug 12 22:05:22 <pgfeller_> ~seen mikeyl
Aug 12 22:05:30 <ibot> pgfeller_: i haven't seen 'mikeyl'
Aug 12 22:05:45 <pgfeller_> ~seen mickeyl
Aug 12 22:05:47 <ibot> mickeyl <n=nnnnnnnL@gandalf.tm.informatik.uni-frankfurt.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 9h 29m 45s ago, saying: 'hey pb_'.
Aug 12 22:11:42 <XorA> hmm, the OE wiki StyleGuide doesnt actually have SRC_URI as an allowed field of a .bb :-)
Aug 12 22:18:48 <mimecar> hi
Aug 12 22:18:59 <XorA> hi
Aug 12 22:19:59 <CIA-9> 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rc78970f2... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): 
Aug 12 22:19:59 <CIA-9> xmms_1.2.10.bb : improve autotools situation so we dont need to override
Aug 12 22:19:59 <CIA-9> do_configure and do_compile.
Aug 12 22:19:59 <CIA-9> Enable vorbis and mikmod as per TODO
Aug 12 22:19:59 <CIA-9> stage the dev files so we can build plugins.
Aug 12 22:21:09 <Greg2> koen: would you please remove alboot from the next poodle test image for me so I can record the boot... or better yet give me your conf for a poodle and I?ll go somewhere (with a faster connection) and d/l the sources?
Aug 12 22:21:18 <CIA-9> 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rbb034240... 10/ (1 packages/xmms/xmms-tremor_1.0.bb): xmms-tremor_1.0.bb : tremor plugin for xmms
Aug 12 23:04:03 <fyliu> is there updated documentation on how to backup an image of the pda's flash?
Aug 12 23:17:08 <Greg2> fyliu: this is not the chan... but what pda?
Aug 12 23:17:55 <fyliu> ipaq 5550
Aug 12 23:26:50 <fyliu> I know there's a wiki page called FamiliarBackupHowto but I don't think my desktop has the blkmtd module and I don't know how to get it
Aug 12 23:27:02 <fyliu> I guess it's a handheld.org thing
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