**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 04 02:59:57 2006 Nov 04 07:49:04 When i am building a gpe image (angstrom) the bluez-utils version is 3.4. But when i am building a opie-image the bluez-utils version is 2.25. Where is the setting for also use bluez-utils 3.4 with opie too? Nov 04 08:45:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r74e07a5a... 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): Nov 04 08:45:13 update-alternatives: add from poky Nov 04 08:45:13 * Poky rev 728: "Sync up.. all the deb/dpkg changes which I have locally are now in svn." Nov 04 08:46:19 good morning all Nov 04 08:47:04 good morning koen Nov 04 08:47:12 hey goxboxlive Nov 04 08:47:31 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r84da37ad... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Nov 04 08:47:31 dpkg: sync with poky Nov 04 08:47:31 poky rev 696: "Add dpkg, modified from upstream oe." Nov 04 08:47:31 poky rev 728: "Sync up.. all the deb/dpkg changes which I have locally are now in svn." Nov 04 08:47:31 poky rev 843: "enable noman.patch to avoid building man directory (results in significant speedup)" Nov 04 08:47:31 poky rev 844: "move noman.patch inclusion from dpkg.inc to dpkg_1.13.22.bb" Nov 04 09:00:50 Hi! Nov 04 09:01:03 So, we're having bugdays, no? ;-) Nov 04 09:01:44 right Nov 04 09:02:56 cool ;-) Nov 04 09:19:22 bleh Nov 04 09:19:44 I'm not awake enough to have a clean solution for the update-alternatives thing Nov 04 09:31:30 morning all Nov 04 09:32:20 hey RP Nov 04 09:33:11 RP: Hi! Nov 04 09:33:18 good morning all Nov 04 09:33:52 RP: I wonder, did you ever think of kernel defconfig management across different machine ports? Nov 04 09:34:30 psokolovsky_: Thought about, yes, came to any conclusion about, no :-/ Nov 04 09:34:46 psokolovsky_: Do you mean to standardise the kernel modules built? Nov 04 09:35:36 RP, yeah, exactly. or more detailed, being able to manage sets of modules to be built under different conditions. Nov 04 09:36:01 RP: In a sense, it's another part of *_FEATURES Nov 04 09:36:32 RP: we have machine, distro features, but what will control kernel features? ;-) Nov 04 09:36:34 we discussed that at OEDEM a bit Nov 04 09:37:02 psokolovsky_: The general idea is that the kernel should try and build as much as possible, module wise and its them up to the rest of the build whether it uses them or not Nov 04 09:37:35 Is there at lease some kind of tool which can be looked at? Or python parser for defconfifs/Kconfigs? ;-) Nov 04 09:38:07 the tool is called 'summer intern' Nov 04 09:38:08 RP: besides modules, there're also pure settings, like PREEMT, process accounting, security, etc. Nov 04 09:38:08 psokolovsky_: linux-openzaurus.inc does some very simple manipulation of a defconfig Nov 04 09:38:15 koen: ;-) Nov 04 09:38:55 RP: yeah, angstrom too, for EABI, but that doesn't sacle. will have a look at l-oz.inc Nov 04 09:39:17 psokolovsky_: It doesn't scale :-/ Nov 04 09:39:44 psokolovsky_: I want to try and avoid a situation where its not obvious where settings are coming from too... Nov 04 09:40:22 RP: yep, so it's indeed calls for research, or using kind of already tested tool Nov 04 09:41:09 RP: I'd be happy to have that for my own needs (of building kernels for 3+ devices), then try to propsoe that for HH.org CVS, and then later, maybe, for OE... Nov 04 09:43:14 psokolovsky_: I guess you'd want something which would merge together a number of config options - Machine specific ones (corgi sound), processor specific ones (PXA RTC driver), distro independent ones (modules) and distro specific ones (logo) Nov 04 09:44:18 psokolovsky_: The whole thing falls apart when you consider different kernel versions as defconfigs do change and we're spread accross several kernel versions Nov 04 09:44:19 RP: yes, right. and preferrably, automatical means to harvest all availanle option from kernel source, and tell which are which ;-) Nov 04 09:44:36 yeah, so it must do data mining ;-) Nov 04 09:58:15 RP: any thought on merging pokies ipkg-withouth-u-a into OE? Nov 04 10:11:49 koen: I've never really looked into exactly what its doing... Nov 04 10:12:13 it puts u-a in it's own recipe + package Nov 04 10:12:39 koen: I know that much - just mean I don't know what it will break... Nov 04 10:13:11 by the looks of it will break if you mixup the ipkg u-a with dpkg and ipkg with the dpkg u-a Nov 04 10:13:41 My impression was that dpkg's u-a would work with ipkg but kergoth wasn't 100% sure Nov 04 10:15:10 I suspect ipkg's u-a was based on the dpkg one from ~7 years ago Nov 04 10:15:32 That would be about right given ipkg aim of being debian compatible Nov 04 10:20:49 Hmm. This would appear to be a bug weekend :) Nov 04 10:21:07 * RP is supposed to be having some time away from the computer... Nov 04 10:23:21 good morning all Nov 04 10:23:24 bugday today? Nov 04 10:23:30 hi NAiL Nov 04 10:23:34 s/today/this weekend/ Nov 04 10:24:28 NAiL: Its the first weekend of the month and we did say... :) Nov 04 10:40:44 hrw|gone: closed the x11 headers bug. Works now :) Nov 04 10:41:16 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r32facbf4... 10/ (1 packages/keymaps/files/poodle/keymap-2.6.map): keymaps: Fix poodle OK and select keys in opie (#1552) Nov 04 10:45:37 koen: Re http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1535 (bash/sh/dash problems in do_rootfs). Can't OE simply rely on bash-only? Nov 04 10:45:56 NAiL: that's an option, but not every system has bash Nov 04 10:47:18 NAiL: Ideally, we find a shell independent way to handle things Nov 04 10:47:57 I'm not sure what is a bashism in the do_rootfs case Nov 04 10:48:45 It could be a bug in dash Nov 04 10:49:11 People have been complaining about this in poky when used with edgy too :-/ Nov 04 10:49:20 and didn't martin already fix some bashisms? Nov 04 10:49:50 http://www.openembedded.org/bonsai/view/rev/20950/ Nov 04 10:50:47 later all Nov 04 10:58:32 "Bashism" means "everything in Bash which is not POSIX compliant", right? Nov 04 10:59:00 quite possible Nov 04 11:27:44 It looks like that could have been fixed. Does anyone have a machine with dash to test with? Nov 04 11:28:21 nicolasfr: ping? Nov 04 11:29:43 yeah Nov 04 11:29:50 * NAiL rebuilds a rootfs Nov 04 11:30:16 RP: hi Nov 04 11:30:18 NOTE: package slugos-image-1.0-r36: task do_rootfs: started Nov 04 11:30:50 nicolasfr: You mentioned problems in do_rootfs with dash - could you check and see if its fixed now? Nov 04 11:31:06 -e log_check: Matched keyword: [Cannot find package] Nov 04 11:31:16 oh, I linked /bin/sh to /bin/bash and that fixed the problem Nov 04 11:31:33 RP: how recently? Nov 04 11:31:43 * NAiL updates to check again Nov 04 11:31:50 NAiL: Thursday Nov 04 11:31:59 aha, ok. Nov 04 11:32:09 let me retry with dash the offending package Nov 04 11:32:09 I'll check Nov 04 11:34:41 bingo Nov 04 11:34:42 NOTE: package slugos-image-1.0-r36: task do_rootfs: completed Nov 04 11:34:51 it's fixed Nov 04 11:35:01 NAiL: Great, thanks. We can close that bug :) Nov 04 11:36:18 done Nov 04 11:36:31 "ding" Nov 04 11:36:37 One down, a couple of more to go :-P Nov 04 11:37:25 in the same kind of bug, I posted something about mawk giving problem. But the gawk is installed everythin goes fine. Let me find the bug id Nov 04 11:37:50 NAiL: sweet Nov 04 11:38:06 rwhitby: not my work Nov 04 11:38:42 thx to all involved Nov 04 11:39:02 I'd been scratching my head about that one too, but hadn't had the time to debug it Nov 04 11:39:03 bug: 1482 and 1514 (closed but related). Maybe gawk should be in the checked like other base tools (is it in bbclass.bb?) Nov 04 11:40:41 yep, should check for gawk. debian's default mawk makes people confused Nov 04 11:41:06 I'll handle this and sync some changes from poky too (I think poky already checks) Nov 04 11:42:04 anoth hudrle is that some tars make ipkg-utils act out. need to consider using tar-native Nov 04 11:42:35 psokolovsky: I thought that has been fixed with patches to ipkg? Nov 04 11:43:16 RP, hmmm... can't tell it now if it was familiar tree or for OE too... Nov 04 11:43:35 RP, well, I'll tell people it is fixed upstream then ;-) Nov 04 11:43:41 psokolovsky: I know I addressed some stuff in OE... Nov 04 11:44:26 ok Nov 04 11:45:07 RP: actually, I have patch for ipkg-utils to use native python module to parse tar's instead of forking. will look into submitting it these days Nov 04 11:46:05 psokolovsky: That sounds useful, please do look at merging :) Nov 04 11:46:28 RP, ok. speedup is 5-6 times. Nov 04 11:46:59 psokolovsky: I was looking at how much faster debs generate the other day, this could well be why :) Nov 04 11:47:15 ok ;-) Nov 04 11:50:19 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rcae855fe... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6_cvs.bb): linux-handhelds-2.6 cvs: Card ID patches were merged to HH.org CVS. Nov 04 12:06:58 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r0c89fbed... 10/ (1 classes/sanity.bbclass): sanity.bbclass: Show all errors in one error message (from poky). Also add dependency on gawk Nov 04 12:35:48 ok, I'll have to continue this later. I have a fresh build going ready :) Nov 04 12:52:30 hey Nov 04 13:03:54 8. Licensee may only use the Licensed Software to create applications that run on any device incorporating the Qtopia application platform. Nov 04 13:04:06 does it mean I may only write Qtopia GPL apps for proprietray platforms? Nov 04 13:17:28 zecke: this sentence reads: *any* device, as long as it has Qtopia. Nov 04 13:25:53 likewise: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/devices/greenphone-community_license.php?id=sdk Nov 04 13:26:06 likewise: Licensed Software of the SDK includes GNU CC? Nov 04 13:28:57 zecke: sorry, I am not in the mood for legal stuff right now :-) Nov 04 13:29:09 hehe, okay :) Nov 04 13:29:39 I have asked Trolltech If I'm wrong... Nov 04 13:51:43 yop Nov 04 13:53:26 svn ls svn://svn.berlios.de/bitbake/tags Nov 04 13:53:27 svn: Can't connect to host 'svn.berlios.de': Connection refused Nov 04 14:09:24 likewise: use http Nov 04 14:14:39 zecke: LOL @ your mail Nov 04 14:23:05 hrw|gone: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33 Nov 04 14:28:48 I have a package which is built differently, depending on MACHINE Nov 04 14:29:14 but how can I ensure that different ipk files are produced... one for each machine Nov 04 14:29:38 tkp: PACKAGE_ARCH = "${MACHINE}" Nov 04 14:29:43 much like how kernel appends _${MACHINE} to the end... Nov 04 14:29:45 ah Nov 04 14:29:51 thanks CoreDump|afk Nov 04 14:29:56 np Nov 04 14:31:52 so, normally packages getbuilt for a particular arch, say, i586 for example... surely the packags are machine specific no? since MACHINE.conf may include tune.inc to tune for a particular machine Nov 04 14:32:46 eg, when building for a VIA C3 (which is an i586), it includes tune-c3.inc Nov 04 14:33:21 and these packages are expected to work on other i586 machines, even tho they have been compiled specifically for a C3 Nov 04 14:34:32 tune-foo.inc usually sets that stuff up for you Nov 04 14:35:19 see http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine/include/tune-ep9312.conf Nov 04 14:36:09 koen: yes, the one I don't quite get is: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/conf/machine/include/tune-c3.conf Nov 04 14:36:36 it has tuned for a C3, yet PACKAGE_ARCH says it will work on any i586 Nov 04 14:36:48 is my understanding of that correct? Nov 04 14:38:39 yes Nov 04 14:38:57 a c3 is a 586 cpu, right? Nov 04 14:39:12 yes Nov 04 14:43:09 w00t Nov 04 14:43:37 * CoreDump|afk just managed to successfully flash his Poodle with his custom updater.sh Nov 04 14:44:18 tkp: so the PACKAGE_ARCH is correct, since the binaries will run on any 586 cpu Nov 04 14:44:58 koen: no, I really wonder what this section tries to protect Nov 04 14:45:46 koen: ok, they will run, but they have been optimized to run on a c3... so If I then decide to move to a different i586 machine, it's still going to pull the C3 tuned packages, since PACKAGE_ARCH has not changed Nov 04 14:46:31 tkp: yes Nov 04 14:46:43 hmm... that doesn't seem to make sence Nov 04 14:46:53 well, it does, but it seems wrong Nov 04 14:46:59 tkp: OE doesn't distinguish between 'runs' and 'runs well' Nov 04 14:47:08 hmm... ok Nov 04 14:47:18 you could make it package_arch = "c3" Nov 04 14:47:41 but that means that you have to rebuild everything for another i586 machine Nov 04 14:47:51 koen: thats what I was thinking... I'm just trying to understand what everyone else does, and why Nov 04 14:48:38 surely it would make more sense that way... machine specific feeds rather than arch specific feeds Nov 04 14:48:59 but if everyone else does it by ARCH, then that must be ok I guess.. :/ Nov 04 14:49:20 hi all Nov 04 14:49:48 tkp: machine specific feeds are a nice idea, but don't scale if you have more than one machine Nov 04 14:50:14 itt does scale... it just takes a lot longer to do anything! Nov 04 14:51:32 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r3fcc18f1... 10/ (1 classes/binconfig.bbclass): binconfig.bbclass: mangle *-config and .la files that end up in packages, based on work by Marcin Juszkiewicz Nov 04 15:03:58 drat, I forgot to include the bugnumbers in the commit message Nov 04 15:05:38 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ref3cd9b6... 10/ (11 files in 6 dirs): bump PR on various recipes using binconfig Nov 04 15:05:47 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc9f8df17... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): gtk+: fix the immodules postinst to use 'gtk-query-immodules-2.0' instead of the non-existant 'gtk-query-immodules' Nov 04 15:09:27 koen: What about my mail to anstrom-devels? what about creating Angstrom 1.0 masterbug? ;-) Nov 04 15:09:43 which mail? Nov 04 15:10:36 the last mail on angstrom-dev in my inbox is from rob taylor Nov 04 15:10:53 responding to the clueless canard Nov 04 15:11:27 koen, are you serious? I posted like almost 2 weeks ago asking what release plan would be. let me check... Nov 04 15:11:43 but there never will be a 1.0 Nov 04 15:11:53 angstrom uses ubuntu versioning :) Nov 04 15:12:14 lol for me ;-) Nov 04 15:12:25 subj: "Ansgtrom release planning?" Oct, 23 Nov 04 15:12:28 none such? Nov 04 15:12:45 angstrom-distro-devel@ltg Nov 04 15:14:40 koen: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-devel/2006-October/000010.html Nov 04 15:14:52 * koen reads Nov 04 15:15:35 psokolovsky: right, a meta bug would be a nice thing Nov 04 15:16:09 nice, hope it will be created during bugdays ;-) Nov 04 15:16:11 as for the release plan, mickeyl and I were (are) too busy to come up with one Nov 04 15:17:24 I understand, hope you'll put it up once you're have some time... Nov 04 15:17:53 would be nice to both know and work towards. people asking what to expect too. Nov 04 15:19:41 download image and install it :) Nov 04 15:20:25 crap Nov 04 15:20:35 I made a thinko in binconfig.bbclass Nov 04 15:28:58 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9928892e... 10/ (1 classes/binconfig.bbclass): binconfig.bbclass: protect foo-native stuff from do_install Nov 04 15:40:32 hi guys Nov 04 15:41:35 yo Mr lauer :) Nov 04 15:42:12 hi mickey Nov 04 15:42:43 http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS4240520603.html is funny Nov 04 15:42:49 "mystery guest speaker" Nov 04 15:42:51 * mickeyl chuckles Nov 04 15:43:15 mickeyl: :) Nov 04 15:43:18 not me though, although I will step on to explain one slide Nov 04 15:43:22 where was Mr fortaine :x Nov 04 15:43:49 mickeyl: just crossreference the speaker list on the conference site with the article :) Nov 04 15:44:16 koen: hmm... i think he's not listed or is he? Nov 04 15:44:19 * mickeyl checks the speaker list Nov 04 15:45:11 no, he's not listed :) Nov 04 15:45:28 he was a while ago :) Nov 04 15:45:49 really? do you have an URL? Nov 04 15:46:11 this conference site is a bit hard to navigate Nov 04 15:46:19 How many big corporation names in this list. Nov 04 15:46:24 yeah, and they use redirects as well Nov 04 15:47:02 nope. nowhere. Nov 04 15:47:15 they're making a mystery out of this presentation. I wonder who's idea that was Nov 04 15:47:18 * mickeyl amused Nov 04 15:47:23 I guess they changed it :) Nov 04 15:47:25 :) Nov 04 15:47:37 koen: so you know the manufacturer now? Nov 04 15:48:26 mickeyl: I saw the name a while ago Nov 04 15:48:35 oh :) Nov 04 15:48:52 * mickeyl hopes his gag will be loosened after wednesday Nov 04 15:52:22 so what should I say when I meet all this big names? Nov 04 15:52:28 OE rocks, _USE_ IT Nov 04 15:52:33 any other ideas? Nov 04 15:53:15 it's "commercial grade" Nov 04 15:53:19 :> Nov 04 15:54:06 ( i hate this expression , why commercial product would be better than the others) Nov 04 15:54:10 "leverages the optimum of the ROI, while apapting to mid-tier security grades' Nov 04 15:54:21 s/ap/ad/ Nov 04 15:54:58 I am getting to hat eit when people ask me what distribution I use n the OSK Nov 04 15:55:24 Crofton_: "OpenOmap" Nov 04 15:55:35 :) Nov 04 15:55:38 Crofton|laptop: version "Crafty Crofton" Nov 04 15:55:43 * Crofton|laptop is starting to hate that name Nov 04 15:55:46 =D Nov 04 15:56:08 when I start using it on the EFIKA, or with any luck a TI DV board Nov 04 15:56:19 the name will need to change Nov 04 15:56:20 no kidding, perhaps we find a canonical name better than "OE-derived" Nov 04 15:56:22 OpenSDR Nov 04 15:56:28 yeah Nov 04 15:56:32 koen http://www.fabchannel.com/ has good live of gathering ( if you don't know ) Nov 04 15:56:40 and other good stuff Nov 04 15:57:12 Genesis: I went looking for a cd, but the store didn't have any! Nov 04 15:57:19 btw., if you guys have any ideas for freesmartphone.org, I'd be glad to listen Nov 04 15:57:37 wow Nov 04 15:57:56 koen : what's a pity :p Nov 04 15:58:12 mickeyl: free as in beer? Nov 04 15:58:24 no, free as in freedesktop.org Nov 04 15:58:25 :D Nov 04 15:58:52 Are you serious about freesmartphone.org? Nov 04 15:59:01 of course I am Nov 04 15:59:06 visit the site Nov 04 15:59:22 we want to do something similar to freedesktop.org Nov 04 15:59:26 now that the momentum is there Nov 04 15:59:29 and the devices are coming Nov 04 15:59:33 "soon" *cough* Nov 04 15:59:35 * mickeyl eyes ljp Nov 04 16:00:35 "www.freesmartphone.org could not be found. Please check the name and try again." Nov 04 16:00:50 guess it's not propagated everywhere yet Nov 04 16:00:51 i see same... Nov 04 16:00:59 Ahm.. Nov 04 16:01:32 mickeyl: On what platform do you plan based this site? (I like Drupal :) ) Nov 04 16:02:03 den-ros: wordpress Nov 04 16:02:08 that's what I'm most familiar with Nov 04 16:02:28 or just a wiki Nov 04 16:02:29 "freesmartphone.org A record currently not present" Nov 04 16:02:39 Wordpress friend for Drupal :) Nov 04 16:04:21 koen: oops, thanks. Nov 04 16:04:24 * mickeyl triggers another update Nov 04 16:06:28 DJANGO! Nov 04 16:13:51 mickey|grocery: freesmartphone.org works, but not www.freesmartphone.org Nov 04 16:14:52 "freesmartphone.org is a collaboration platform for open source and open discussion software projects working on interoperability and shared technology for X Window System based SmartPhones." Nov 04 16:15:38 here without 'www' not work too :) Nov 04 16:15:49 both failed for me Nov 04 16:15:57 http://xkcd.com/c178.html Nov 04 16:16:17 and Nov 04 16:16:19 Powerbook-2:~ koen$ grep free /etc/hosts Nov 04 16:16:19 83.151.25.170 www.freesmartphone.org Nov 04 16:25:58 * koen searches for an appropriate bugday song Nov 04 16:27:09 hi all Nov 04 16:27:17 hi florian Nov 04 16:43:18 Hello Nov 04 16:45:39 koen: I have a major update for tinderbox Nov 04 16:45:46 koen: we would need to regenerate the DB Nov 04 17:43:55 zecke: sure, no problem Nov 04 17:47:52 zecke: go ahead when you're ready to regenerate the db Nov 04 17:47:59 zecke: or do you need me to drop the db? Nov 04 17:48:40 koen: I think I can do that :) Nov 04 17:51:20 zecke: cool Nov 04 17:56:06 koen: ikada can pester the bugzilla (we would get kicked from gnome.org for doing that...) Nov 04 18:01:03 zecke: can it pester people as well? Nov 04 18:01:30 koen: not yet Nov 04 18:01:34 hmm another encoding issue... Nov 04 18:06:21 zecke: you could ask ggilbert to convert the bugzilla db to utf8 to avoid some more encoding issues Nov 04 18:07:30 koen: won't help :) Nov 04 18:07:57 koen: because Mozilla Stuff is crap-ware Nov 04 18:14:24 zecke: no news there :) Nov 04 18:14:33 * RP returns Nov 04 18:14:43 * zecke waves for his return Nov 04 18:15:02 hey RP Nov 04 18:20:03 * koen has a look at #98 Nov 04 18:21:41 eek 2.18.3 on o-hand bugzilla Nov 04 18:22:03 zecke: poke mallum :0 Nov 04 18:22:09 s/0/)/ Nov 04 18:22:26 koen: http://www.bugzilla.org/security/2.18.5/ Nov 04 18:22:36 let us see if they have hidden side in their tracker :) Nov 04 18:23:59 * RP mails mallum Nov 04 18:24:16 "mallum, please block those crazy german IPs" Nov 04 18:24:50 koen: okay, with bonsai I can say when something was changed Nov 04 18:25:03 koen: with ikada I know which bugs where changed (when) Nov 04 18:25:27 koen: and I have the two issues I hate most: Encoding + TimeZones :} Nov 04 18:25:50 encoding of timezones! Nov 04 18:26:34 koen: now I will need to start receiving reports from OpenEmbedded Nov 04 18:26:46 koen: and I'm finally able to do show the data I want :) Nov 04 18:26:54 koen: e.g. you can have a RSS for all angstrom builds Nov 04 18:27:00 koen: or for all angstrom failures Nov 04 18:28:30 right Nov 04 18:28:48 :) Nov 04 18:28:49 once I receive my mbp I can convert ewi to a tinderbox Nov 04 18:29:14 well and you can finally do stuff like Nov 04 18:29:21 build on ewi Nov 04 18:29:31 someone picks the build up and executes testcases on board Nov 04 18:29:48 and send coverage+valgrind log refering to your build Nov 04 18:31:32 cute Nov 04 18:32:07 (*) assumes valgrind works on your device Nov 04 18:32:17 but as you have Angstrom X86 builds... Nov 04 18:32:56 * den-ros test how * looks Nov 04 18:33:06 * den-ros (*) Nov 04 18:33:08 :) Nov 04 18:33:30 koen: I will at least need to regenerate the data once more as I take timezones into account Nov 04 18:35:09 we'll cross that bridge when we get there Nov 04 18:38:38 zecke: did you regenerate it yet? Nov 04 18:41:25 no Nov 04 18:45:15 03rpurdie * r628 10bitbake/lib/bb/shell.py: shell.py: Add support for the abort flag Nov 04 18:45:34 zecke: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=189 Nov 04 18:47:50 close it :) Nov 04 18:48:54 * RP closes 319 and 326 Nov 04 18:49:43 #245 - bug on poodle 2.4. Close as WONTFIX? Nov 04 18:50:39 do we have 2.4 kernel hackers? Nov 04 18:51:12 We have a 2.6 kernel for poodle now so I can't see anyone fixing it Nov 04 18:53:20 wontfix seems to be the closest to the truth Nov 04 18:54:28 * CoreDump|home likes "DONTGIVEADAMN" better tho Nov 04 18:55:13 ~curse Sharp for their retarded "sync" sd driver Nov 04 18:55:22 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, Sharp for their retarded "sync" sd driver ! Nov 04 18:55:42 closed as wontfix... Nov 04 18:56:09 funny how much bugs have solved themselves :) Nov 04 18:58:53 574 bugs this morning, 562 now Nov 04 19:03:43 hmmm Nov 04 19:03:57 I remember why testing giac builds is a pain Nov 04 19:04:56 you don't know pain until you have written your own updater.sh Nov 04 19:05:19 CoreDump|home, lemme guess, checks for new versions of a package? Nov 04 19:05:48 JoeSchmo: actually it is for updating kernel and rootfs on a zaurus Nov 04 19:05:52 koen: until now we have 5798 bug comments Nov 04 19:06:21 yea, i was takin a look at that, it looks like it's a pain Nov 04 19:07:38 i wrote my own build system, but i'm still using the OZ kernel and updator stuff, because of that Nov 04 19:07:52 updater* Nov 04 19:08:30 ;) Nov 04 19:09:19 let's just say that _my_ updater.sh contains a certain function called "generic_flash" which is an exact copy of the SHARP flashing code =) Nov 04 19:13:16 zecke: and now? Nov 04 19:14:30 still the same amount :} Nov 04 19:15:56 zecke: no, the regenerated db? Nov 04 19:16:26 koen: no, I try to prepare for a test :) Nov 04 19:16:32 koen: but implement a gui for ikada Nov 04 19:19:27 gui, schmui Nov 04 19:19:56 AJAX :) Nov 04 19:20:23 zecke: PSV! Nov 04 19:20:37 zecke: if you plan to survice eindhoven ;) Nov 04 19:20:43 hehe Nov 04 19:20:49 survive* Nov 04 19:21:39 re Nov 04 19:41:21 you might as well learn to enjoy the gathering when visiting eindhoven Nov 04 19:41:24 :-) Nov 04 19:41:50 :) Nov 04 19:42:48 I hate football (not the game itself, everything else), so I hate PSV as well :-) Nov 04 19:45:40 :D Nov 04 19:52:25 who needs football when you can go see the gathering ;) Nov 04 19:52:39 * koen stabs fltk Nov 04 19:52:45 sure ! Nov 04 19:52:53 who needs football when you can go develop a bit on oe? :) Nov 04 19:53:13 listening the gathering in the same time :) Nov 04 19:53:46 i like the gathering as well btw :) Nov 04 19:53:57 * koen discovers "in motion #1" in his itunes lib Nov 04 19:54:37 my first album of the gathering was rollercoaster Nov 04 19:54:45 * TheCan just got one maxi :/ Nov 04 19:56:19 | Print.cc:66: error: 'FL_MM' was not declared in this scope Nov 04 19:56:44 koen : have you ever heard the previous album of gathering before anneke join the group ? Nov 04 19:57:09 ^^ Nov 04 19:57:13 it's bad. Nov 04 19:57:35 * koen tries to recall when anneke joined the band Nov 04 19:57:54 i see they are from the neverlands? Nov 04 19:58:11 ah right, mandylion Nov 04 19:58:15 -v +th Nov 04 19:58:43 TheCan : peter pan came from neverland ;) Nov 04 19:58:58 Genesis, :D Nov 04 19:59:31 well i dont know anyone from germany who knows this band indeed - are they popular in .nl? Nov 04 20:00:45 they made a world tour , so i don't know , perharps german prefers tool ;) Nov 04 20:01:29 hm i think tool are more popular indeed Nov 04 20:02:33 but who cares - amon amarth are coming here in 2 weeks :) Nov 04 20:03:24 tool's new album has pretty cool album art Nov 04 20:06:22 10k days? Nov 04 20:07:08 that one Nov 04 20:07:59 although I prefer A perfect circle over tool Nov 04 20:08:46 me too Nov 04 20:09:15 Genesis: 'fix' sounds very much like a perfect circle Nov 04 20:09:25 :) Nov 04 20:12:30 Can I 'trace' bitbake so that I know from which directory it picks up a certain "defconfig" (in this case)? Nov 04 20:13:00 likewise: DTrace on Leopbard or OpenSolaris, strace on Linux Nov 04 20:13:43 zecke: but no built-in option in bitbake? Nov 04 20:14:09 likewise: -D -D -D Nov 04 20:14:22 koen: I think -DDD might fail as well Nov 04 20:14:40 fail in regard to giving the needed information Nov 04 20:14:44 duh. I was specifying -d :-) Nov 04 20:16:20 thanks Nov 04 20:39:37 later Nov 04 20:47:40 earlier Nov 04 21:05:57 just suffered a total power loss (in the whole block)... Nov 04 21:20:39 morning Nov 04 21:20:53 model name : AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ Nov 04 21:20:55 ;D Nov 04 21:27:07 hrw: yay! congrats! Nov 04 21:27:44 not have to get working: sound, 1280x960 X resolution Nov 04 21:27:49 then 3d acceleration Nov 04 21:28:02 and switch to amd64 Nov 04 21:28:08 instead of x86 Nov 04 21:29:41 RP: I'm trying to boot Poodle with CMDLINE_ROOT_poodle = "root=/dev/mmcda1 rootfstype=ext2 rw" but my kernel errors with "Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) any idea what I'm missing? Nov 04 21:31:45 CoreDump|home: rootdelay Nov 04 21:31:59 CoreDump|home: and its /dev/mmcblk0p1 Nov 04 21:32:04 not /dev/mmcda1 Nov 04 21:32:12 hrw: damn Nov 04 21:32:17 indeed =\ Nov 04 21:32:19 right :) Nov 04 21:32:36 was playing w/ poodles 2.4 kernel all day ;) Nov 04 21:33:29 ~slap self Nov 04 21:33:32 * ibot slaps self, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Nov 04 21:35:01 someone has modeline for 1280x960@85? Nov 04 21:35:13 ~lart videogen for forcing 57Hz Nov 04 21:35:14 * ibot pours gasoline all over videogen, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze for forcing 57Hz Nov 04 21:35:21 not me :\ Nov 04 21:36:19 got it Nov 04 21:37:29 http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl Nov 04 21:37:38 time to test it Nov 04 21:46:32 failed Nov 04 22:23:25 lack of sound suxx Nov 04 22:23:47 hrw: lack of power sucks even more. Nov 04 22:24:19 hrw: the power went down in the neighbourhood a few hours ago. Nov 04 22:24:37 likewise: I saw that Nov 04 22:25:03 likewise: I have 'new' machine here and have to fight with linux support Nov 04 22:25:14 good, stay of the red button next time :-) Nov 04 22:25:31 hi sirfred Nov 04 22:25:32 hrw: brand new? as in: chipsets not yet fully supported? Nov 04 22:25:36 Hello Nov 04 22:25:39 hi Nov 04 22:26:19 likewise: athlon64 3200+ on dfi rs482 mainboard (ATI rs482/sb400) - sound is not working Nov 04 22:27:46 I've just released a patch for mplayer w100 support, if you're interested into trying it (http://sourceforge.net/projects/libw100). Nov 04 22:28:46 It should support c7x0 zaurus devices, and is fullscreen capable. Nov 04 22:29:34 * CoreDump|home wants an accelerated driver for SL-Cxx00 =) Nov 04 22:29:45 * hrw wants sound on atiixp Nov 04 22:30:05 CoreDump|home: What card? Nov 04 22:30:19 sirfred: pxafb Nov 04 22:30:34 hrw: http://falz.net/linux_on_dfi_rs482 Nov 04 22:31:01 hrw: but it didn't work for them Nov 04 22:31:14 hrw: I expect it to be better than the imageon Nov 04 22:32:09 likewise: tx Nov 04 22:34:50 hrw: where are you stuck? which kernel? which intel-hda driver version? Nov 04 22:35:20 likewise: 2.6.19-rc2/rc4 - now will check rc4-mm2 Nov 04 22:35:47 hrw: maybe you need to override the alsa dir with the version from *alsa* cvs. Nov 04 22:36:10 hrw: anyway, looks like a very nice board for a media pc Nov 04 22:36:40 likewise: its not media pc but build/desktop machine ;) Nov 04 22:37:12 hrw: it's small form factor, right? Nov 04 22:37:20 mATX Nov 04 22:38:21 likewise: I have one PCI card to use: TV tuner Nov 04 22:38:38 brb - reboot to mm2 Nov 04 22:47:14 re Nov 04 22:47:20 have to rebuilt mm2 a bit Nov 04 23:49:08 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rb2c20550... 10/ (1 packages/bluez/bluez-utils.inc): bluez-utils: Expand EXTRA_OECONF to stop potential configure issues (fixes concerns in #317) Nov 05 00:28:17 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * r472214b7... 10/ (1 packages/xfwm4/xfwm4.inc): xfwm4: Fix DEPENDS Nov 05 00:49:48 bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Nov 05 02:59:57 2006