**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 07 02:59:56 2006 Nov 07 06:41:47 hello there ! Nov 07 06:58:51 good morning Nov 07 07:35:04 morning all Nov 07 07:35:13 morning NAiL Nov 07 08:11:21 good morning all Nov 07 08:26:32 http://hughsient.livejournal.com/6702.html Nov 07 08:26:34 finally Nov 07 08:28:16 morning Nov 07 08:28:21 hey XorA Nov 07 08:34:11 morning Nov 07 08:34:43 RP: ping Nov 07 08:37:39 RP: I would say close 1130 as a works for me, pth used to fail for me on amd64 and I used to have a patch for it locally, but I havent needed to apply that patch for months Nov 07 08:38:57 hi Nov 07 08:39:39 morning Nov 07 08:41:48 hey hrw|work Nov 07 08:43:55 finally reflashed bios on home machine. but sound is still fscked Nov 07 08:44:53 mickey|AMS|zzZZz: HEY!!! Nov 07 08:44:58 mickey|AMS|zzZZz: Do you happen to have an URL? Nov 07 08:46:57 hrw|work: nforce4? Nov 07 08:49:02 XorA: ati rs482+sb400 Nov 07 08:54:14 * XorA shudders at ati Nov 07 08:56:57 XorA: from posts over net it looks like also dfi (manufacturer) fault - ACPI is fscked Nov 07 08:57:34 the joys of x86 Nov 07 08:58:35 at least with ACPI you can replace it in kernel Nov 07 08:58:50 just find someone who has fixed and recompiled the table then fix them in the kernel Nov 07 08:59:11 * XorA had a toshiba like that Nov 07 09:01:08 * XorA setup his WRT54GL last night Nov 07 09:02:27 XorA: which distro on it? Nov 07 09:03:17 hrw|work: openwrt Nov 07 09:03:51 rc5 whiterussian? Nov 07 09:03:52 hrw|work: yup Nov 07 09:04:50 XorA: MACHINE=wrt54 DISTRO=wrtoe if you need something from OE to run under openwrt Nov 07 09:05:34 hrw|work: I know, but with 1.8M Im not gonna put much on there Nov 07 09:05:56 XorA: not even mplayer? Nov 07 09:06:18 koen: a one LED output device doesnt really do it for me, pr0n wise :-) Nov 07 09:06:45 XorA: 1.8M? how much flash does GL has? Nov 07 09:07:44 hrw|work: 16 Nov 07 09:07:44 my wrt54gs has ~5M free Nov 07 09:07:44 erm 4 Nov 07 09:07:44 /dev/root 7.1M 2.5M 4.7M 35% / Nov 07 09:07:44 XorA: u... small indeed Nov 07 09:07:57 root@OpenWrt:~# uptime 10:30:50 up 12 days, 16:14, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Nov 07 09:08:16 but I plan to run applications on a n2100 when I buy it Nov 07 09:08:34 koen: the 0.30 snapshots in snapshot directory are not updating Nov 07 09:08:34 "Estimated Delivery Date: 06 Nov 2006 (Subject to change)" Nov 07 09:08:45 XorA: correct Nov 07 09:08:54 koen: :-( Nov 07 09:08:55 XorA: want me to update them? Nov 07 09:09:09 koen: would save me a pull Nov 07 09:09:19 koen: but if its gonna take ages, dont bother Nov 07 09:10:46 XorA: it's just a 'cp ; bzip2 ; md5sum' :) Nov 07 09:10:54 koen: cool, then please do Nov 07 09:11:20 done Nov 07 09:13:39 koen: bzip -c9 db >db.bz2;md5sum Nov 07 09:14:16 no need for cp Nov 07 09:32:49 bonjour obergix[work] Nov 07 09:32:58 hi Nov 07 09:34:23 ~kill opensync releases Nov 07 09:34:26 * ibot shoots a super-inverse anti-meson gun at opensync releases Nov 07 09:41:30 koen: what they borked? Nov 07 09:41:48 XorA: their "file release system" Nov 07 09:42:01 XorA: they attach tarballs to the wiki, thus breaking wget Nov 07 09:42:29 XorA: So I have to download it all manually and scp it to oe.org/sources ... Nov 07 09:45:40 koen: ah, yeah, mplayer-atty I used to have to do the same Nov 07 09:56:47 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rcfb9ea3f... 10/ (1 packages/opensync/libopensync_0.20.bb): libopensync: update to 0.20 Nov 07 09:56:50 XorA: what do I need to change to get networkmanager working on my device? Nov 07 09:59:35 koen: instead of at_console put user=koen Nov 07 09:59:48 koen: start dhcdbd and NetworkManager Nov 07 09:59:57 koen: start nm-applet Nov 07 10:00:21 koen: make sure wlan card is plugged in before starting NetworkManager Nov 07 10:00:40 hmmm Nov 07 10:00:51 koen: you also need wpa-supplicant 0.51 and 0.4.X seems to be busted Nov 07 10:01:11 I have 0.5.5 Nov 07 10:01:50 0.5.1 is the latest in .dev Nov 07 10:01:55 I know Nov 07 10:02:13 0.5.5 I needed autoconf 2.60 :-( Nov 07 10:02:42 XorA: really? I got it build with oe one Nov 07 10:03:21 | Checking kernel configuration... FAILED| Please enable PCI support. Nov 07 10:03:24 http://www.hrw.one.pl/2006/11/07/how-to-flash-bios-without-floppy-disk-drive/ btw Nov 07 10:03:24 grrrrrrrr Nov 07 10:03:26 hrw|work: build against gnutls? Nov 07 10:03:29 koen: madwifi? Nov 07 10:03:36 XorA: it need one patch Nov 07 10:03:43 XorA: I will push it when find time at home Nov 07 10:04:18 we need to find some where to intergrate nm, properly into gpe/opie (if opie lives anymore) Nov 07 10:04:49 and get it to work with WPA/WPA2 Nov 07 10:06:23 XorA: | Checking kernel configuration... FAILED| Please enable PCI support. Nov 07 10:06:25 aargh Nov 07 10:06:32 XorA: http://hughsient.livejournal.com/6702.html Nov 07 10:13:32 03hrw 07org.oe.oz354x * r0e496542... 10/ (1 packages/libgsm/libgsm_1.0.10.bb): Nov 07 10:13:32 libgsm/libgsm_1.0.10.bb : Fix broken Source URL Nov 07 10:13:32 applied changes from 80a3103a361a99eeabe30712b9f3f3b31d8b74f9 Nov 07 10:13:32 through a476ffb306a90853f53198c680b4e561337bb4da Nov 07 10:22:10 koen: feel free to merge in hal in fully working form :-) Nov 07 10:22:23 ~lart file Nov 07 10:22:24 * ibot urinates on file Nov 07 10:24:03 XorA: hal is only an extra user away from working Nov 07 10:24:20 XorA: RP and I have run hal in the past, built from OE Nov 07 10:24:22 hey zecke Nov 07 10:24:33 mickey|AMS|zzZZz: hey? should I give you a call? Nov 07 10:25:03 zecke: wait 5 hours :) Nov 07 10:25:17 koen: where is the announce? Nov 07 10:25:52 zecke: you could mickeyl to ask for the url of the press announcement Nov 07 10:26:06 XorA: which announce? Nov 07 10:26:16 morning Nov 07 10:26:16 koen: the secret one, wheres it happening? Nov 07 10:26:46 XorA: http://www.informatm.com/marlin/30000000861/OPTION_VIEW/marketingid/20001437372/productid/20001437373/optionid/20001437380 Nov 07 10:27:06 the "Mystery Guest Speaker: Optimising the Potential of Open Source in Mobile – New Device Showcase" one Nov 07 10:27:17 koen: ah cool Nov 07 10:27:34 * XorA had thought that sounded like mickeyl Nov 07 10:27:47 mickeyl isn't the mystery guest Nov 07 10:28:01 although he will present 1 slide :) Nov 07 10:28:19 someone get mallum to stream it Nov 07 10:28:29 mallum's there? Nov 07 10:28:57 koen: Lrg thinks he told him he was Nov 07 10:30:58 koen: five more hours? Nov 07 10:32:07 hey florian_kc Nov 07 10:32:44 good morning Nov 07 10:33:48 morning Nov 07 10:34:06 hey nicolasfr Nov 07 10:34:15 I found interesting stuff while googleing: http://myth.s182.xrea.com/wiki/?EXTRA%20MENU003%2F004 Nov 07 10:34:55 wzero3 has a menu called "Zaurus test". Same menus has in zaurus (nand backup, nand flash, ...) Nov 07 10:35:32 koen: pong msg, yeah hell I wanna test :-) Nov 07 10:36:17 likewise: :) Nov 07 10:36:45 koen: are you ixp4xx-less at this moment? Nov 07 10:37:06 likewise: there's a loft on my desk right now Nov 07 10:37:11 running eabi? Nov 07 10:37:20 likewise: but I'm waiting for the POE adaptor to power it Nov 07 10:37:23 likewise: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/unbreak-ix4xx-for-not-slugos.diff Nov 07 10:37:31 how frustrating Nov 07 10:38:32 koen: ok, this machine conf, and then with angstrom? Nov 07 10:40:05 koen: the mtn header of the diff shows more files being diffed, which are not in the diff, is that intentional? Nov 07 10:40:26 likewise: it has some spurious entries, yet Nov 07 10:40:30 s/yet/yes/ Nov 07 10:40:59 MACHINE=ipx4xx DISTRO=angstrom-2007.1 should build something Nov 07 10:44:39 morning all Nov 07 10:44:46 hey lrg Nov 07 10:45:25 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r689ffd30... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-base.bb): task-base: add 'screen' and 'pci' machine features Nov 07 10:45:54 hi Liam Nov 07 10:46:07 someone want to fight with 'file' update? Nov 07 10:46:20 hrw|work: hell no Nov 07 10:46:25 hrw|work: I tried yesterday Nov 07 10:46:40 I'm out of goats to sacrifice Nov 07 10:46:54 hey Marcin, koen Nov 07 10:47:13 koen: file: could not find any magic files! Nov 07 10:47:17 koen: or other? Nov 07 10:47:36 hrw|work: depending on the version of file-native, that one or others Nov 07 10:47:42 koen: Your commit is only two commented lines? Nov 07 10:48:13 hrw|work: I'd like to move /etc/default/rcS.d from svinit to "initscripts" to allow for a machine specific config of that file. Any objections? Nov 07 10:48:23 NAiL: yes Nov 07 10:48:39 CoreDump|home: how will they differ? Nov 07 10:49:19 poodle will have a version to allow fsck on boot Nov 07 10:49:55 well,if that root-on-sd thing works out anyway Nov 07 10:50:02 Hmm, I am at loss, what task has ixp4xx-kernel end up in deploy/images/? Nov 07 10:50:22 /s/has/makes Nov 07 10:50:23 likewise: most likely do_deploy Nov 07 10:50:41 likewise: but you'll never know with those funky nslu2 dudes ;) Nov 07 10:50:59 CoreDump|home: maybe fix checkroot.sh so all machines will get it? Nov 07 10:51:26 koen: ah, that one is not in the interactive / default bitbake task list, let's see what triggers it then. Nov 07 10:51:28 hrw|work: fsck of the rootfs only makes senso if root isn't on flash Nov 07 10:52:14 CoreDump|home: you can use ext2 on mtd, so you mean 'if root isn't jffs2' Nov 07 10:52:15 CoreDump|home: anyway you need to add fsck to all models... each can (alt)boot from sd/cf Nov 07 10:52:29 koen: good point Nov 07 10:53:11 well, I guess I could hack checkroot to only check an ext2 rootfs? Nov 07 10:53:31 CoreDump|home: just run fsck maybe? Nov 07 10:53:45 CoreDump|home: c3x00 use ext3 Nov 07 10:53:46 hrw|work: checkroot was written for that purpose Nov 07 10:54:20 hmmm Nov 07 10:55:18 koen: suppose I will not use angstrom as the distro, what requires the EABI to be built, apart from the diff? Nov 07 10:55:51 likewise: the stuff under the EABI comments in the angstrom conf files :) Nov 07 10:56:15 koen: ok, you convinced me, I'll work from a seperate build dir :-) Nov 07 10:56:22 koen: angstrom it is. Nov 07 10:57:34 likewise: TMPDIR=/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/${DISTRO} Nov 07 10:59:21 hrw|work: I'll enable fsck for all models, and hack checkroot.sh to only start if the rootfs is declared as ext2 (and maybe ext3) in fstab Nov 07 11:01:45 koen: going for angstrom-bootstrap-image, using bitbake 1.7.2 (with my incredible regexp-support-for-ignore-depencies-for-dependency-graph patch) Nov 07 11:02:51 likewise: cool Nov 07 11:43:32 03pH5 07org.oe.dev * r5f21c437... 10/ (1 conf/distro/angstrom-2007.1.conf): angstrom-2007.1.conf: add FEED_ARCH_magician Nov 07 11:59:18 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9bb2161d... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): libgnome(ui): update to 2.16.0 Nov 07 12:09:18 XorA: gtk/pangoxft+cairo/magicnumbers is indeed a lot faster! Nov 07 12:11:04 koen: goodo Nov 07 12:12:02 printing from abiword works as well Nov 07 12:12:11 it picks up my network printers :) Nov 07 12:12:23 koen: wicked Nov 07 12:12:35 war printing here we come Nov 07 12:15:34 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r16db091b... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): tslib: touchscreen, not touchsreen Nov 07 12:20:26 XorA: http://www.abiword.org/downloads/abiword/2.4.6/source/ Nov 07 12:25:21 koen: the magicnumbers patch is in OE already? I was about to test it locally. Nov 07 12:25:42 koen: cairo 1.2.6+magicnumbers double_to_fix, that is. Nov 07 12:26:32 likewise: it is Nov 07 12:27:01 likewise: http://www.openembedded.org/viewmtn/revision.psp?id=749aa1340946e929e3de2422cb6c275ee1ae34ba Nov 07 12:28:22 likewise: the upcoming cairo release should be a bit faster with the new tesselator as well Nov 07 12:28:24 koen: yup, that implementation was nicely done. thnx for bringing it in OE. You might want to copy-paste 1.2.4 to 1.2.6 also (for testing). 1.2.6 has some other performance wins besides the patch Nov 07 12:28:31 koen: yup :-) Nov 07 12:29:43 koen: hello Nov 07 12:30:17 Longfield|work: hey Nov 07 12:30:21 isnt a tesselator a thing that makes massive arks of electricity? Nov 07 12:30:25 Longfield|work: the armv5 build is still running Nov 07 12:30:41 XorA, tesla coil :) Nov 07 12:30:43 XorA: that's 'tesla' Nov 07 12:30:45 how can I add something to OVERRIDES... would it be OVERRIDES += ":stv" Nov 07 12:31:09 XorA: I'm building abiword 2.4.6 right now Nov 07 12:31:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil Nov 07 12:31:21 koen: here to Nov 07 12:31:34 XorA: before it has been released :) Nov 07 12:31:43 wb hrw Nov 07 12:33:50 koen: ;P you've guessed about my question Nov 07 12:34:28 koen: you've been adding imx31/armv6 patches ? Nov 07 12:34:45 Longfield|work: no, imx31 is lrg's work Nov 07 12:38:41 NOTE: package abiword-embedded-2.4.6: completed Nov 07 12:43:06 | checking for cairo's PNG backend... Nov 07 12:43:06 | /data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/cairo-1.2.6-r0/cairo-1.2.6/configure: line 25428: --exists: command not found Nov 07 12:43:16 likewise: cairo 1.2.6 doesn't build... Nov 07 12:44:33 XorA: I'll push an update to abiword.inc later today Nov 07 12:45:29 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r031c2e2e... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): abiword: update to 2.4.6 Nov 07 12:50:28 koen: it builds here. cannot remember anything special I had to do. Oh yes, I remember, it needed pkg-config 0.19, but I told it to require only 0.15 and That Worked For Me (tm) Nov 07 12:51:02 koen: That Built For Me (tm) rather. Have not run it on the XScale yet Nov 07 12:54:21 hi Nov 07 12:54:40 hi Bernardo Nov 07 12:55:07 Longfield|work: I'm a little behind with the mx21/mx31 patches due to recently moving house. I'll aim for some bb this weekend. Nov 07 12:58:03 lrg: ok. So you've been "including" iMX31 in openembedded. Fine ! I'm planning to use openembedded to build a distro for our robot which will have an iMX31 Nov 07 12:58:59 Longfield|work: I have angstrom and 2.6.18 running on my mx31, but I still have to finish the bb's Nov 07 13:00:50 lrg: you have the ADS board ? because I've been using Freescale LTIB with it until now, but I find it ... not so good. So I want to move to openembedded. But I've been unable to build the cross-compile tools with OE Nov 07 13:01:34 koen: I've opened a bug on the strip errors I'm getting (#1558) Nov 07 13:03:54 Longfield|work: yes I've got 2 ads boards. Fwiw, I've commited an arm1136 tune, so you should be able to build and angstrom toolchain for the mx31. Nov 07 13:04:07 an Nov 07 13:04:41 Longfield|work: whats your email address ? Nov 07 13:05:18 lrg: well, that's what I've been trying to do, but I always get the same compile error using arm1136tune in gcc-cross package Nov 07 13:13:26 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4e999416... 10/ (1 packages/abiword/abiword.inc): abiword.inc: package up some more files Nov 07 13:16:09 lrg: did you get my private message ? Nov 07 13:16:36 lrg: sorry, just saw your answer Nov 07 13:45:41 valLongfield|wor: starting a mx31ads build now Nov 07 13:47:11 koen: great ! but still can't understand why it failed for me with the OE tree from yesterday on angstrom ... Nov 07 13:57:31 time to prove linux is naff at docking stations.... Nov 07 14:05:54 hmm case proven Nov 07 14:05:55 how to know the dependance of an ipk ? Nov 07 14:06:03 i don't find the right cmd Nov 07 14:06:39 i'm trying to make a script for tftp repository Nov 07 14:07:30 sry, maybe an OT question here, but #openzaurus seems to be asleep... so I'll xpost here Nov 07 14:07:36 hi all, I saw that there are 3.5.4.2 feeds for collie, and since I need to reflash my Z, I'm wondering if there's also the images, somewhere... also devel ones, I don't mind testing software Nov 07 14:07:56 lestat: read the topic Nov 07 14:07:59 "this is still not a distribution support channel" Nov 07 14:08:18 koen: oh, ok, sorry again Nov 07 14:08:22 ~lart me for being a mong Nov 07 14:08:22 * ibot decapitates xora conan the destroyer style for being a mong Nov 07 14:09:14 whatdepends works only on packname , not against ipk Nov 07 14:09:39 perharps i should first copy ipk in a repository directory on the board ? Nov 07 14:10:19 my first pb is i've no TCP on this board ,i can't use wget and ftp/http repository Nov 07 14:10:21 XorA: something obvious in the DMA ? Nov 07 14:10:39 hey lrg , did you post you patch for mx ? Nov 07 14:10:43 lrg: read register, set to zero, then wonder why I lost all the flags Nov 07 14:11:29 Genesis: sorry, been moving house last week. I'll try at the weekend. It's almost there. Nov 07 14:11:48 XorA: heh, I've also done that before Nov 07 14:12:15 oh, I see I'm not the only one waiting for mx patches ! what are you all guys doings with mx boards ? Nov 07 14:12:29 valLongfield: working on audio Nov 07 14:13:04 valLongfield, : i see you in my searsh Nov 07 14:13:31 valLongfield, : wha's application ? Nov 07 14:14:32 valLongfield: NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.1.1-r7: task do_compile: started Nov 07 14:14:37 Genesis: I don't understand what you said before ... I'm working in robotics, we will have a iMX31 mobile robots Nov 07 14:15:02 koen: I'm waiting for the result with great anxiety ... Nov 07 14:17:10 valLongfield, : i remember oki Nov 07 14:17:35 valLongfield, : i'm french you know , we should be able to understand us :) Nov 07 14:17:52 if you need some help :) Nov 07 14:18:19 i saw you were using freescale patch ( obvious montavista kernel , like me ) Nov 07 14:18:54 Genesis: good ... second french guy I'm meeting working on imx31 Nov 07 14:19:09 mx21 for me Nov 07 14:19:21 valLongfield, : we're a lot , but we will not create a club :) Nov 07 14:19:48 valLongfield: NOTE: package gcc-cross-4.1.1: completed Nov 07 14:20:01 * koen heads out to buy some groceries Nov 07 14:20:26 koen: aaahhh goooood ... but still can't understand what's wrong for me ... Nov 07 14:20:40 Genesis: hum ... maybe we should create one ;) Nov 07 14:20:43 valLongfield, : what is the version of your kernel ? Nov 07 14:21:24 Genesis: I'm still using 2.6.16 distributed by Freescale Nov 07 14:22:44 hum oki Nov 07 14:24:07 Genesis: I also have a mx21 litekit. We bought it to test a few features, but now we've moved to imx31 because we need VFP for our robotics applications Nov 07 14:26:57 valLongfield, : i think the kernel you have is not on the web , isn't it ? Nov 07 14:28:05 Genesis: the one I use for mx31 is on Freescale website. For mx21, no idea, I haven't worked with it for months Nov 07 14:28:19 oki Nov 07 14:30:47 valLongfield, : could you send it to me to see some thing in it , i need a valid member ttruc to download it , and freescale never send mine Nov 07 14:31:46 just one general question here: I will need JTAG probe to download and debug code on my custom design. Someone knows a good one with USB support on Linux ? Someone has experience with Macraigor ones (because they are cheap) to download some code on a bare processor (for instance to download bootloader in RAM at first boot) ? Nov 07 14:32:16 usb one , don't know Nov 07 14:32:18 ask on #elinux Nov 07 14:32:38 here we have a bdi2000 so :) Nov 07 14:33:13 Genesis: it's a huge ISO ... but I have a common Freescale account and I can download it without problem. Just recreate your Freescale account Nov 07 14:33:24 valLongfield, : i just want the kernel Nov 07 14:33:59 i've not the freescale accound , if just the targz is too huge for you , nevermind Nov 07 14:34:28 the others things like rpm repackaging and metrowerk goodies , no thx :) Nov 07 14:35:12 Genesis: ok I can give you the targzed patches ... but it's mx31 only ... do you still want it ? Nov 07 14:35:23 mx31 only only ? Nov 07 14:35:31 or mxc plateforms ? Nov 07 14:37:04 i still want ;) ronan@aimao.Org Nov 07 14:37:10 less ltib-imx31ads-20060709/pkgs/linux-2.6.16-mx31-mmc.patch Nov 07 14:41:30 morning Nov 07 14:43:17 Genesis: sent you the mail Nov 07 14:44:56 thx valLongfield Nov 07 14:48:14 lrg: one less local patch needed for mx31ads :) Nov 07 14:49:20 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0b88454c... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom.inc): angstrom: disable binary locale generation for mx31ads since qemu doesn't like armv6/eabi/hardvfp Nov 07 14:50:58 * VoodooZ is now on the prowl for iMX31 stuff. Nov 07 14:51:11 * koen as well Nov 07 14:51:27 iMX31?? Nov 07 14:51:34 if only freescale would have a 'sample' button for the mx31ads :) Nov 07 14:51:47 * chouimat is now going to the kitchen fetching some coffee Nov 07 14:51:53 i was discuting about launch a buisness with this guys : armadeus.com ( mxl for the moment , but mx31 the next ) Nov 07 14:52:41 well, valLongfield said he was using it for Robobtics which is what I want to so I guess it must be pretty well suite then. Nov 07 14:53:18 do you guys know about imx31 litekit ? Nov 07 14:54:02 i think , but there is an fpga on their board Nov 07 14:54:04 for 100$ Nov 07 14:54:16 do you have fpga on the litekit ;) Nov 07 14:54:39 and the design is free :) Nov 07 14:55:09 it's an assoc , it's not a huge fscking company... Nov 07 14:55:34 http://www.logicpd.com/eps/som/freescale/iMX31/ Nov 07 14:55:40 this? http://www.logicpd.com/eps/devkits/freescale/devkit/imx_devkit/ Nov 07 14:55:46 koen: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YltBC923.html Nov 07 14:55:58 right chouimat, it's this Nov 07 14:56:34 valLongfield: ok 675$ ... hmmm out of my reach for now Nov 07 14:57:41 chouimat: yeah, still expensive, but much better than an ADS Nov 07 14:58:02 I bet Nov 07 14:58:23 the ADS is $4k iirc Nov 07 14:58:42 likewise: is that a qemu built by OE or from your host? Nov 07 15:00:04 koen: good point, I dunno for sure, as I *do seem* to have a host-installed qemu also. What's OE path order? Nov 07 15:00:23 the one is staging should take precedence Nov 07 15:01:13 koen: ok, just to be sure, I just completely removed the qemu package from my host. It still fails. Nov 07 15:01:19 nice. it does all colour space conversion and lots more. Nov 07 15:01:54 no I2C but that's not a big deal if it has USB host. Nov 07 15:03:50 532Mhz. sweet. I wonder how efficient it would be to do CV stuff when compared to a x86 though. Nov 07 15:04:16 likewise: I use "qemu-native 0.8.2+cvs20060723-r1 " Nov 07 15:05:24 VoodooZ: it has an I2C bus Nov 07 15:05:26 koen: yep, matches. host is amd64. qemu-native-0.8.2+cvs20060723-r1/ Nov 07 15:05:57 on integer, I get Nov 07 15:06:29 koen: exact invocation is as follows: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/x0yWSv85.html Nov 07 15:06:52 koen: sry, line does not wrap Nov 07 15:06:54 Voodooz: from a basic approximation I've been able to do, I get 15% of the performance of my 1.6GHz Pentium M Nov 07 15:08:30 so it should still be able to do some CV ... we've already done some on a an xscale which had a bad USB cam and no VFP, so here with cam interface and performance boost, it only be better Nov 07 15:08:56 koen: this is a bit more readable: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/xC6Vyg60.html Nov 07 15:08:59 valLongfield: good. But how good is it on power? Nov 07 15:09:22 I like this board: http://www.logicpd.com/eps/som/freescale/MCF5475/ Nov 07 15:09:31 as those board are probably harder to get and more expensive than an older portable so I'm still undecided. Nov 07 15:11:04 VoodoZ: yeah but my robot is only 20 cm and must be very low on consumption (autonomy is very important) so cannot put a PC, even some sort of PC104 board Nov 07 15:11:30 *20cm diameter Nov 07 15:11:35 03koen 07org.oe.dev * reb49c73a... 10/ (1 conf/machine/mx31ads.conf): mx31ads: add task-base stuff Nov 07 15:15:14 valLongfield: I definitely understand. Mine is limited to 30cmx30cmx30cm for the trinity firefighting robot competition. Nov 07 15:15:41 That's why I used the NSLU2 board when I saw it and being a commercial product it's cheap. Nov 07 15:16:14 I guess there's a trade-off between performance/power consumption. just no escaping it. Nov 07 15:16:33 :) Nov 07 15:16:35 valLongfield: do you have initial current consumption readings? Nov 07 15:17:32 VoodooZ: yep I saw it on your webpage. I think it's a very good idea ... I used to do the same for Eurobot, we took an IPAQ h3300 with familiar as embedded controller ... it has worked really great ! Nov 07 15:17:54 well, at full performance, it's around 1.5W Nov 07 15:18:05 but it's a very rough estimate Nov 07 15:18:30 because it's hard to isolate the proc consumption on the whole ADS board Nov 07 15:20:32 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r6452a9b0... 10/ (1 conf/machine/mx31ads.conf): mx31ads.conf: add some more compatible archs Nov 07 15:23:58 * chouimat is listening to More Tea Vicar by Iron Maiden on Rainmaker (Single) [Amarok] Nov 07 15:28:22 what's the ADS board? Nov 07 15:28:48 the official dev board from freescale Nov 07 15:30:34 I have to admit that us (the robotics crowd) are pretty hard to satify. we need small, high performance and low current. :( Nov 07 15:30:42 must be expensive? Nov 07 15:30:54 $3999 Nov 07 15:31:19 ouch!!!! Nov 07 15:31:34 that's the reason I went with the slug. Must cheaper. Nov 07 15:31:45 The gumstix looked really good but had no USB host. Nov 07 15:31:52 I need it for my usb2 cam. Nov 07 15:33:33 bbl Nov 07 15:36:39 hi CosmicPenguin Nov 07 15:37:38 What would be the best way to get all OpenEmbedded kernel patches and default configuration? Nov 07 15:38:37 Do I have to get them from monotone or is there a nice tarball somewhere? Nov 07 15:42:09 why not wget http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux Nov 07 15:42:35 ( with recursive option ) Nov 07 15:47:14 Thanks, looks good Nov 07 15:47:31 monotone would be the best way Nov 07 15:49:15 * valLongfield going back home, cya later Nov 07 15:49:23 lucky boy Nov 07 15:49:25 + valLongfield Nov 07 15:50:07 * koen anxiously awaits mickeyl's return Nov 07 15:54:50 cu Nov 07 16:12:39 is there a tip to launch `make menuconfig` ( for kernel or busybox ) with the OE env without export by hand some var ? Nov 07 16:15:44 via devshell? Nov 07 16:18:20 i check that koen thx Nov 07 16:22:16 likewise: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/index.php?path=ixp4xx/ Nov 07 16:24:02 koen: ack Nov 07 16:24:48 Gerrath: there is some info in the Faq about OE build shells: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OeFaq#debuggingoebuilds Nov 07 16:25:11 Genesis: oops, the above line was intended for you. Nov 07 16:28:19 thx cbrake :) Nov 07 16:38:13 koen: kernel ipkg'd: I am having a hard time using ipkg-native to extract the kernel... (ipkg noob) Nov 07 16:38:34 likewise: 'ar x foo.ipk ; tar zxf data.tar.gz' Nov 07 16:38:39 likewise: or use dpkg-deb Nov 07 16:39:36 a .ipk should be compatible with a .deb Nov 07 16:46:40 koen: grr, localhost atftpd[5021]: Requested file to big, increase BLKSIZE :-/ Nov 07 16:50:24 hya Nov 07 16:51:19 anyone here run qemu on arm host? Nov 07 16:52:46 hello; it is possible that 'file' 'file-native' (both 4.16) bbfiles in org.oe.dev are out of date - the ftp host from which are sources being downloaded contains just versions 4.17 and 4.18. Nov 07 16:54:00 quite possibly, mmp. Nov 07 16:54:12 this would be a good candidate to report on the bugtracker Nov 07 16:54:22 koen: will test tomorrow. Nov 07 16:54:25 cu Nov 07 16:56:40 raduga: I've been lazy to do that :) In few minutes. Nov 07 16:57:06 mmp: thank you. I spotted the same issue a few days ago, but have been lazy too. Nov 07 16:57:43 raduga: :-))) Nov 07 16:58:56 mmp: iirc, just changing the .bb to 4.18 should build fine. Nov 07 16:59:17 file isn't brain-surgery code ;) Nov 07 17:00:06 morning all Nov 07 17:00:11 good morning RP Nov 07 17:00:53 rp: is there a difference in the CPU that zaurus 3100 and 3200 use? Nov 07 17:01:09 raduga: actually, upgrading 'file' is like brain surgery Nov 07 17:01:19 bitbake devshell seems to produice nothing Nov 07 17:01:21 i had understood they were both stock pxa270, but people in the OESF forum have reported they're different Nov 07 17:01:36 raduga: yes, I actually solved it by adding it to ASSUME_PROVIDED (i just need file-native at the moment) Nov 07 17:01:50 raduga: 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' and compare the outputs Nov 07 17:02:09 koen: i don't actually have either. Nov 07 17:02:22 koen: but i would look to see, if I did Nov 07 17:05:03 hm. its *reputed* in forums at least, that the 3200 has a different CPU. does anyone know if this is accurate? Nov 07 17:05:58 raduga: afaik they are both pxa27x, although they may be different pxa27x silicon revisions Nov 07 17:06:14 lrg: thanks Nov 07 17:06:51 lrg: that agrees with iirc. Nov 07 17:09:09 raduga: does difference show up in /proc/cpuinfo Nov 07 17:09:59 xora: i don't have a 3100 or a 3200, so I can't verify. Nov 07 17:10:21 xora: if you have either, and can report what you see, that would be nice :) Nov 07 17:12:12