**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 23 02:59:57 2006
Nov 23 03:14:58 * chouimat is away: Gone away for now.
Nov 23 03:15:19 * chouimat is back.
Nov 23 03:46:16 <CIA-4> 03mwester 07org.oe.dev * ra070a3b1... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Unslung: kernel - add "nbd" kernel module
Nov 23 03:46:20 <slapin_nb> hi, all!
Nov 23 03:46:49 <slapin_nb> which memory profiling tool you'd recommend?
Nov 23 04:29:50 <slapin_nb> join #hackndev
Nov 23 04:31:28 <slapin_nb> whoops sorry
Nov 23 07:16:06 <vlo> morning all
Nov 23 07:32:58 <vlo> in case of a kernel bb recipe, what is the exact role of "do_configure_prepend()" ?
Nov 23 07:36:46 <vlo> hum .... I'll take about it later again, when everybody will be awake ;)
Nov 23 07:46:20 <eugenebiz> my instance of OE seems to not recognize glibc2.4 supplied with original package. Any idias why?
Nov 23 08:05:17 <Genesis> hi
Nov 23 08:05:59 <vlo> salut !
Nov 23 08:08:08 <Genesis> bonjour vlo :)
Nov 23 08:10:31 <RP> morning all
Nov 23 08:10:43 <vlo> hello
Nov 23 08:10:50 <Genesis> yo RP 
Nov 23 08:11:04 <vlo> hum, now there are more people online, I can ask my question again ;)
Nov 23 08:11:34 <RP> vlo: do_configure_prepend is some code that gets added to the start of the do_configure function
Nov 23 08:12:15 <vlo> RP: ok, so no need to add it as a "normal" task in the recipe ?
Nov 23 08:13:26 <vlo> RP: because in the "build" log, I see no trace of this beeing processed, and I've added some dumb "echoes" in it, but no trace of them either
Nov 23 08:13:27 <eugenebiz> Hi all, is there any ready set-up for building using CodeSourcery toolchain?
Nov 23 08:14:56 <den-ros> RP: hi
Nov 23 08:15:08 <den-ros> hi all
Nov 23 08:16:13 <RP> vlo: What does the do_configure function look like in the run shell script?
Nov 23 08:18:49 <vlo> RP: it looks fine ... but I just found out that there was an error in my recipe, an unexpected operator ... now my echoes are being echoed
Nov 23 08:20:17 <vlo> RP: but now it fails on this: "yes '' | oe_runmake oldconfig"
Nov 23 08:21:50 <hrw|work> morning
Nov 23 08:22:05 <vlo> hrw: morning
Nov 23 08:22:39 <hrw|work> eugenebiz: user manual has section about using prebuilt toolchains
Nov 23 08:23:04 <hrw|work> eugenebiz: and we also have some versions of codesourcery toolchains
Nov 23 08:26:56 <RP> hi hrw|work , XorA 
Nov 23 08:28:06 <XorA> hey RP
Nov 23 08:31:20 <CIA-4> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra6c72d7b... 10/ (1 packages/cairo/cairo_git.bb): cairo git: adjust PV to match upstream
Nov 23 08:36:53 <koen> good morning all
Nov 23 08:37:17 <RP> hi koen
Nov 23 08:37:31 <RP> koen: Did you see the link last night?
Nov 23 08:40:18 * koen scrolls up
Nov 23 08:41:04 <koen> ah, right
Nov 23 08:41:29 <koen> one minor nit: 200611114 = 1.2.4+svn2006114
Nov 23 08:42:24 <eugenebiz> hrw: i am aware of docs on subject i wonder is there any distro/machine combination built on CS toolchain so i could save time, by usinf it.
Nov 23 08:44:34 <hrw|work> http://dev.tufuncion.com/bigger-penises-linux ;D
Nov 23 08:44:55 <hrw|work> iirc it was on one of # recently but why not
Nov 23 08:45:02 <hrw|work> eugenebiz: nope
Nov 23 08:45:46 <hrw|work> eugenebiz: we used 2005q1 or 2005q3 CSL for one release of OpenZaurus and then switched back to normal toolchain due to bugs. did not tested newer versions
Nov 23 08:45:51 <koen> RP added a line to the angstrom configs to use the CSL toolchains
Nov 23 08:45:58 <koen> just a matter of moving a comment
Nov 23 08:46:23 <vlo> ok ... finally found out, there is a bug in mx31ads-kernel bb recipe ... where do I report it ?
Nov 23 08:46:36 <vlo> it's only a small typo, but still
Nov 23 08:46:53 <XorA> vlo: bugs.openembedded.org
Nov 23 08:47:21 <eugenebiz> koen: regarding lines by RP, they use only GCC from CS and fails on building GDB :-)
Nov 23 08:54:00 <CIA-4> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * readfcf77... 10/ (5 files in 2 dirs): cairo: update snapshot to 1.3.4
Nov 23 08:55:31 <hrw|work> hi zezom 
Nov 23 08:55:36 <hrw|work> zecke: morning
Nov 23 08:55:51 <hrw|work> RP, zecke: did you read my mails on bitbake-dev?
Nov 23 08:56:41 <zecke> hrw|work: I have an almost finished reply
Nov 23 08:56:53 <RP> koen: True, I did say rough. packaging isn't right yet either ;-)
Nov 23 08:57:05 <hrw|work> thx
Nov 23 08:57:08 <zecke> RP: is poky fixed?
Nov 23 08:57:15 <koen> hey zecke 
Nov 23 08:57:25 <RP> zecke: I couldn't find the problem. Was that latest svn?
Nov 23 08:57:40 <RP> zecke: We did have that problem a few days ago...
Nov 23 08:58:13 <zecke> you mean I should update?
Nov 23 08:58:25 <zecke> can't you make stable releases?
Nov 23 08:58:35 <RP> zecke: That depends how old your checkout is...
Nov 23 08:58:44 <RP> zecke: We're working on one ;-)
Nov 23 09:00:42 <zecke> RP: haha, now I CTRL-Ced and bitbake keeps running
Nov 23 09:02:35 <hrw|work> zecke: bitbake or wget?
Nov 23 09:03:08 <zecke> bitbake
Nov 23 09:09:55 <RP> zecke: The first Ctrl+C causes it to wait for all currently running tasks to exit. The second press will SIGTERM them all
Nov 23 09:11:01 <zecke> RP: it didn't happen
Nov 23 09:11:14 <zecke> RP: BitBake returned to shell and it continued running wget :)
Nov 23 09:11:42 <RP> zecke: The above is what the code should do. Patches welcome ;-)
Nov 23 09:12:02 <RP> zecke: The problem is that when multiple tasks are running, where should the Ctrl+C go? I therefore stopped the children from getting that signal
Nov 23 09:12:26 <zecke> RP: right :)
Nov 23 09:12:47 <zecke> <bitch_mode>Wow OpenSource suck, first someone writes bad code, and then asks me to fix it</bitch_mode>
Nov 23 09:13:27 <RP> zecke: demand a refund ;-)
Nov 23 09:13:30 <suihkulokki> well, the difference to closed source is that you can't fix it :)
Nov 23 09:13:48 <AvengerMoJo> hi guys  :)
Nov 23 09:14:18 <koen> RP: maemo-mapper-nohildon works :)
Nov 23 09:14:33 <AvengerMoJo> RP: will OE planning on supporting some MIPS product? :)
Nov 23 09:15:06 <RP> koen: Amazing. I'll have to sort out bluez on the Z/poky now :)
Nov 23 09:15:07 <zecke> AvengerMoJo: like dreambox?
Nov 23 09:15:13 <RP> AvengerMoJo: It already does?
Nov 23 09:15:24 <AvengerMoJo> zecke: like I'm make some NAS box .... 
Nov 23 09:15:42 <AvengerMoJo> RP: supporting what ? 
Nov 23 09:15:59 <AvengerMoJo> RP: I mean ...what products? I never catch that 
Nov 23 09:16:12 <RP> AvengerMoJo: dreambox for a start like zecke said
Nov 23 09:16:14 <AvengerMoJo> I keep thinking mostly arm base product .. 
Nov 23 09:16:14 <zecke> AvengerMoJo: dreambox product, directly done by the upstream
Nov 23 09:16:42 <AvengerMoJo> hum .. I will take a look at the that hehe :) I may get a dreambox and test that out hehe 
Nov 23 09:16:44 <zecke> RP: do you have a copy of my buildscripts around? a copy you would find more fast than me
Nov 23 09:17:28 <koen> dreambox is ppc iirc
Nov 23 09:17:59 <zecke> koen: i thought the newer ones were mips *sorry*
Nov 23 09:18:26 <AvengerMoJo> zecke: :) that's ok hehe 
Nov 23 09:18:28 <RP> zecke: I just looked in the obvious places I'd put them. I'm sure I will, somewhere :-/
Nov 23 09:18:28 <XorA> anyone got an alternative url for libnet-1.1.2.1.tar.gz as the main site is down
Nov 23 09:19:45 <zecke> RP: ah found it :)
Nov 23 09:19:59 <RP> zecke: ok :)
Nov 23 09:21:30 <vlo> bugs.openembedded.org doesn't answer ...
Nov 23 09:21:54 <RP> vlo: Its IP number changed, the DNS is probably in flux
Nov 23 09:22:33 <CIA-4> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r65dd19d3... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): maemo-mapper: add (a bit outdated) no-hildon version, courtesy Richard Purdie
Nov 23 09:27:37 <Genesis> NOTE: package mozplugger-1.7.3-r0: task do_package: started
Nov 23 09:27:38 <Genesis> NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package:
Nov 23 09:27:58 <Genesis> i'm so bad to succeed with do_install
Nov 23 09:28:23 <Genesis> i don't understand , my files don't want to go in the package
Nov 23 09:28:54 <koen> wrong FILES_${PN}?
Nov 23 09:29:11 <Genesis> koen, : i should do that each time ?
Nov 23 09:29:29 <Genesis> lot of bb have no FILES entry and work
Nov 23 09:29:44 <koen> Of you have a "NOTE: the following files were installed but not shipped in any package:" message, you need to adjust FILES
Nov 23 09:29:44 <RP> Genesis: Look in bitbake.conf for the defaults
Nov 23 09:30:14 <Genesis> oki i look
Nov 23 09:30:18 <Genesis> thx for help
Nov 23 09:30:33 <XorA> ~lart bloxx
Nov 23 09:30:33 * ibot cuts off bloxx's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper
Nov 23 09:30:50 <XorA> I think they missed a few letters in bloxx name
Nov 23 09:31:23 <zecke> RP: might be wise to switch the sf.net mirrors for poky
Nov 23 09:31:47 <hrw|work> poky does not use heanet?
Nov 23 09:31:59 <RP> zecke: It should be the same as OE?
Nov 23 09:32:04 * XorA uses kent, the mirror to rule them all
Nov 23 09:32:04 <zecke> hrw|work: heanet is broken :)
Nov 23 09:32:47 <zecke> hmm
Nov 23 09:33:23 * koen uses surfnet
Nov 23 09:33:38 <hrw|work> I use heanet
Nov 23 09:33:58 <hrw|work> zecke: fix your applemail...
Nov 23 09:34:17 <zecke> hrw|work: lol, show me which RFC I violate
Nov 23 09:34:21 <zecke> RP: speex is missing
Nov 23 09:34:40 <zecke> http://www.speex.org/download/speex-1.1.7.tar.gz 404
Nov 23 09:35:13 <hrw|work> ah.. no this time its just formatting
Nov 23 09:35:24 <zecke> :)
Nov 23 09:35:28 * hrw|work larts applemail each time 
Nov 23 09:35:29 <zecke> zformat, zsort
Nov 23 09:35:43 <hrw|work> one of salesman here use mac only because it is not pc
Nov 23 09:35:55 <hrw|work> he is so lame person that I cant find words.
Nov 23 09:36:39 <zecke> hrw|work: are you interested in oz354x builds?
Nov 23 09:37:02 <hrw|work> zecke: you are going to setup buildfarm?
Nov 23 09:37:20 <zecke> hrw|work: two dual-xeon systems
Nov 23 09:37:38 <zecke> one has the firewall opened already, one needs a reinstall and firewall to be opened
Nov 23 09:37:43 <koen> hey lardman 
Nov 23 09:37:46 <zecke> hrw|work: I will have these machines until january
Nov 23 09:37:48 <hrw|work> zecke: can it send mails to me on each break?
Nov 23 09:38:12 <zecke> hrw|work: I have no tinderbox yet :)
Nov 23 09:38:15 <koen> and/or irc notifications
Nov 23 09:38:30 <hrw|work> btw, I plan to build OZ 3.5.5 from .dev one day
Nov 23 09:38:45 <koen> hrw|work: not umbaumba 18.7?
Nov 23 09:39:03 <hrw|work> koen: umbaumba 17.3 is OZ compatible
Nov 23 09:39:27 <hrw|work> umbaumba 18.1 wait for angstrom release
Nov 23 09:39:41 <hrw|work> and umbaumba 17.3 will be base for oz 3.5.5
Nov 23 09:41:35 <CIA-4> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r4d957b0f... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/angstrom.inc): angstrom.inc: also use softfloat for armeb
Nov 23 09:41:41 <eugenebiz> is there any way to package prebuilt  libs  and/or use them for rootfs creation?
Nov 23 09:41:54 <hrw|work> eugenebiz: you can write recipe for it
Nov 23 09:43:56 <eugenebiz> hrw|work: i see, i will prefer to build them from scratch using ready recipes.
Nov 23 09:44:45 <hrw|work> eugenebiz: which ver of CSL we talk btw?
Nov 23 09:45:56 <eugenebiz> hrw:work: 4.1 
Nov 23 09:46:41 <hrw|work> brb - 15 minutes
Nov 23 09:47:48 <RP> zecke: speex should be fixed now, thanks
Nov 23 09:52:37 <zecke> until I finish my new tinderbox http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tinderbox/showbuilds.pl?tree=poky
Nov 23 09:56:06 <hrw|work> re
Nov 23 09:57:36 <florian_kc> good monring
Nov 23 09:58:07 <RP> zecke: oh-image became oh-image-pda but I'd test oh-image-sdk. Can you also please not test the nokia770 machine. I know its broken due to a missing xserver but I can't fix it atm. qemuarm, qemux86, spitz, akita, c7x0 should all build
Nov 23 09:58:13 <RP> hi florian_kc 
Nov 23 09:58:34 <zecke> RP: what are your two favorites?
Nov 23 09:59:03 <RP> zecke: Do you want to test the x86 builds too?
Nov 23 09:59:21 <zecke> I don't mind
Nov 23 09:59:25 <RP> zecke: qemuarm and qemux86 give the greatest coverage 
Nov 23 10:00:37 <NAbyss> Hi all.. I'm pondering starting developing some apps on a Zaurus.. not entirely sure what I should be targeting though.. OZ or Angstrom, and OPIE or GPE..
Nov 23 10:01:57 <koen> Obsolete Palmtop Integrated Environment?
Nov 23 10:02:03 <zecke> koen: psst
Nov 23 10:02:36 <lardman> NAbyss: What device?
Nov 23 10:02:41 <NAbyss> lardman: C3100
Nov 23 10:03:08 <lardman> koen should be able to let you know the status of that in Angstrom
Nov 23 10:06:10 <lardman> NAbyss: Or try here: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/20061109/spitz/
Nov 23 10:07:03 <NAbyss> lardman: Thankye, I'll give it a burl
Nov 23 10:07:16 <hrw|work> NAbyss: go Angstrom and GPE
Nov 23 10:07:27 <hrw|work> or any other X11 based
Nov 23 10:08:20 <NAbyss> hrw|work: Thanks.. is there any HelloWorld.bb suitable for starting out w/ GPE?
Nov 23 10:08:50 <koen> hey [lala]
Nov 23 10:12:06 <lardman> NAbyss: should be something in the GettingStarted page about building something simple. Mickeyl also produced some step by step dev instructions for different apps, can;'t remember where
Nov 23 10:12:22 <hrw|work> NAbyss: nano_1.3.5.bb?
Nov 23 10:12:28 <hrw|work> NAbyss: user-manual has examples
Nov 23 10:15:57 <hrw|work> zecke: Marc Singer/lexer+lemon is the same which has email with buici.com domain?
Nov 23 10:16:06 <zecke> hrw|work: yes
Nov 23 10:16:13 <hrw|work> ok, Cc: him
Nov 23 10:17:28 <zecke> RP: I fear I can't build qemu-native
Nov 23 10:18:08 <zecke> the date of the machine is correct
Nov 23 10:18:16 <RP> zecke: Can you assume_provided it?
Nov 23 10:18:56 <RP> zecke: Why did it fail to build?
Nov 23 10:19:05 <zecke> RP: applying patches fail :(
Nov 23 10:20:07 <RP> zecke: You're not the first person to say that. I wonder whats going wrong? :-/
Nov 23 10:20:25 <RP> NOTE: package qemu-native-0.8.2+cvs20060723-r1: task do_patch: completed
Nov 23 10:20:42 <RP> I wonder if my cvs tarball is broken...
Nov 23 10:21:04 <zecke> can one disable kergoth's automatic drop down to sh
Nov 23 10:21:21 <RP> zecke: PATCH_RESOLVER = "noop" iirc
Nov 23 10:21:27 <hrw|work> its usefull but only for first patch
Nov 23 10:21:49 <RP> Its full of bugs as I can never get it to work properly :-(
Nov 23 10:23:12 <zecke> this is needed for autobuilding :)
Nov 23 10:23:39 <NAbyss> lardman|coffee, hrw|work: Thanks, I'll take a look around
Nov 23 10:24:23 <RP> zecke: We should have an autobuild.bbclass...
Nov 23 10:24:58 <RP> zecke: That could redirect the python task output too
Nov 23 10:45:51 <koen> http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=22059&pid=147042&st=0&#entry147042
Nov 23 10:47:40 <hrw|work> heh, they needed serious accident to happen to get into this..
Nov 23 10:48:12 <koen> "O crap, one person can't support an entire distro"
Nov 23 10:49:02 <koen> <morbid>maybe he got hit by the cluetrain</morbid>
Nov 23 10:49:07 <hrw|work> koen: 'distro'
Nov 23 10:49:31 <koen> 'hacked up tarball of other distro;
Nov 23 10:49:38 <koen> s#;#'#
Nov 23 10:49:52 <hrw|work> and 2.6.14..
Nov 23 10:49:53 <koen> hmmm
Nov 23 10:50:01 <koen> how can I revert *files* with git?
Nov 23 10:59:59 <koen> heh, you can't
Nov 23 11:00:09 * koen stabs git
Nov 23 11:01:13 <koen> git revert and git reset both don't notice the removal of files
Nov 23 11:01:30 <koen> so the only way to get those files back...
Nov 23 11:01:37 <koen> is to re-close the entire repo
Nov 23 11:01:43 <koen> s/close/clone/
Nov 23 11:02:28 <XorA> ~lart file-native
Nov 23 11:02:28 * ibot readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at file-native
Nov 23 11:02:48 <koen> XorA: a rebuild works, so I guess it need some files to work
Nov 23 11:03:18 <XorA> koen: I begin to wonder what kind of insane person wrote it
Nov 23 11:03:21 <slapin_nb> anybody have an idea of  how to debug memory leaks in arm environment? any OE package?
Nov 23 11:03:42 <zecke> slapin_nb: dalloc or how was the old name?
Nov 23 11:04:02 <koen> slapin_nb: run valgrind over the file in x86
Nov 23 11:04:44 <slapin_nb> koen, x86 build?
Nov 23 11:04:51 <koen> slapin_nb: yes
Nov 23 11:07:43 <rob_w|mis> do we have any ppc architecture in oe ?
Nov 23 11:08:06 <goxboxlive> I have tried to build tiny-mail. But it failes at eds-dbus. Is this known problem? :  http://pastebin.ca/255813 
Nov 23 11:08:22 <hrw|work> rob_w|mis: dreambox
Nov 23 11:09:02 <rob_w|mis> ah
Nov 23 11:10:01 <XorA> goxboxlive: thats what I get I think
Nov 23 11:10:51 <goxboxlive> XorA: ok, so it's not that i miss something then.
Nov 23 11:12:56 <XorA> goxboxlive: that certainly looks like the error I remeber, Im currently in middle of image build though so cant check
Nov 23 11:13:56 <mickey|zzZZzz> goxboxlive: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2006-October/000704.html
Nov 23 11:14:08 <koen> hey mickeyl 
Nov 23 11:14:08 <mickeyl> morning
Nov 23 11:14:12 <XorA> hey mickeyl 
Nov 23 11:14:26 <koen> goxboxlive: upstream (o-hand.com) knows about the problem and are looking into it
Nov 23 11:14:53 <goxboxlive> ok
Nov 23 11:14:53 <koen> if bugzilla weren't down, you could see that a bug was already filed
Nov 23 11:15:27 <goxboxlive> koen: But you have been able to build it right? As far as i remember i read that you had tried out tinymail og gpe?
Nov 23 11:15:33 <rob_w|mis> hrw|work,  whats the dreambox conf/machine/ conf ?
Nov 23 11:15:51 <koen> goxboxlive: I copied the dbus-bindingstool from my buildhost to staging
Nov 23 11:20:28 <hrw|work> rob_w|mis: they have separate branch
Nov 23 11:22:28 <koen> zecke: do you know which day(s) of t-dose you're going to attend?
Nov 23 11:25:08 <rob_w|mis> ah i see .. 
Nov 23 11:27:06 <koen> RP, mickeyl: http://rafb.net/paste/results/RZn3tB86.html
Nov 23 11:29:17 <RP> koen: cool :)
Nov 23 11:29:20 <mickeyl> nice!
Nov 23 11:29:48 <RP> koen: I think OE.dev is just about ready for package_deb.bbclass too...
Nov 23 11:29:48 <koen> that is just a renamed ipkg, but dpkg-deb seems to handle that file as well
Nov 23 11:30:11 <koen> mickeyl: are you subscribed to angstrom-distro-devel?
Nov 23 11:30:15 <RP> I've some fixes to make to rootfs_deb.bbclass but its getting there...
Nov 23 11:30:19 <mickeyl> koen: i hope so...
Nov 23 11:30:26 <mickeyl> let me check
Nov 23 11:30:31 <zecke> koen: saturday
Nov 23 11:30:53 <mickeyl> yes I am
Nov 23 11:31:18 <koen> zecke: any plans for friday evening or saturday evening?
Nov 23 11:31:43 <koen> mickeyl: ok, I'll post and RFC about using .debs + ipkg
Nov 23 11:31:54 <mickeyl> i will probably miss a couple of emails over the next days. I need to cancel all subscribtions to university address and subscribe my new address. plus installing and configuring a new e-mail client, because my old one just doesn't gets it anymore :/
Nov 23 11:34:07 <koen> mickeyl: mailman supports changing mail addresses
Nov 23 11:34:33 <koen> mickeyl: you could change it to 'mickeyl@openembedded.org' and poke at .forward
Nov 23 11:34:38 <mickeyl> koen: hmm... right, but that needs the password *cough*
Nov 23 11:41:42 <do13_> morning all
Nov 23 11:42:14 <mickeyl> morning do13
Nov 23 11:42:23 <do13_> hey mickeyl 
Nov 23 11:44:45 <do13_> mickeyl: can we order development phones? 
Nov 23 11:45:08 <mickeyl> do13: yes. as soon as we have something that runs...
Nov 23 11:45:24 <do13_> hehe
Nov 23 11:45:46 <mickeyl> ;) seriously we're working under load 2.0 to get something out in january.
Nov 23 11:45:59 <mickeyl> but I believe it when we ship 
Nov 23 11:46:01 <mickeyl> heh
Nov 23 11:46:32 <do13_> btw  count me in for FOSDEM 2007
Nov 23 11:47:03 <mickeyl> do13: ah cool! I just seen that it's super cheap when you book a flight now, so I'll probably book mine this week
Nov 23 11:47:15 <do13_> LH?
Nov 23 11:47:18 <mickeyl> yeah
Nov 23 11:47:23 <mickeyl> 98€ or so
Nov 23 11:47:43 <do13_> sounds good
Nov 23 11:47:55 <mickeyl> although this time i want to stay until monday. it's just too much of a hurry to depart on sunday
Nov 23 11:48:08 <mickeyl> besides, OE has a stand, so we can't just leave on sunday :))
Nov 23 11:48:20 <XorA> have to check with lrg which of us is going to FOSDEM
Nov 23 11:48:27 <mickeyl> XorA: both of you!
Nov 23 11:48:36 <do13_> we should coordinate the flight
Nov 23 11:48:41 <koen> the one with the credit card
Nov 23 11:48:42 <XorA> mickeyl: well hopefully, then I can help man the stand
Nov 23 11:48:42 <koen> *cough*
Nov 23 11:48:51 <mickeyl> XorA: yeah, that'd be cool
Nov 23 11:49:26 <mickeyl> do13: would be nice. When could you leave @ friday?
Nov 23 11:49:27 <XorA> we will be at GUADEC if OE is there
Nov 23 11:49:55 <mickeyl> Birmingham? Yes, I'll be there. my first guadec.
Nov 23 11:49:56 <do13_> mickeyl: It seems I have a new job next year. I'll check this.
Nov 23 11:50:12 <mickeyl> do13: ok.
Nov 23 11:50:25 <mickeyl> do13: quit at teles?
Nov 23 11:50:39 <do13_> mickeyl: yes (thales)
Nov 23 11:50:52 <mickeyl> ah right
Nov 23 11:50:57 <koen> thales?
Nov 23 11:51:02 <koen> that's 3km from here :)
Nov 23 11:51:03 <mickeyl> do13: oh hopefully that was your decision?
Nov 23 11:51:32 <do13_> mickeyl: yep. It was my decision
Nov 23 11:51:53 <mickeyl> glad to hear
Nov 23 11:52:00 <koen> mickeyl, RP: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/angstrom-distro-devel/2006-November/000017.html
Nov 23 11:52:24 <do13_> koen: thales is a big group. many different companies
Nov 23 11:52:39 <koen> do13_: indeed
Nov 23 11:52:49 <koen> do13_: especially after the mergers/acquisitions
Nov 23 11:53:05 <do13_> koen: which do you mean? :)
Nov 23 11:53:37 <do13_> koen: the alcatel one?
Nov 23 11:53:40 <koen> I recall wanting to work for "Hollands Signaal"
Nov 23 11:54:09 <RP> koen: Will apt work against those deb files though?
Nov 23 11:54:25 <koen> RP: dpkg-deb seems to like them
Nov 23 11:54:25 <RP> koen: Also, you'll need to consider feeds carefully for use with apt
Nov 23 11:54:37 <suihkulokki> amazing
Nov 23 11:54:56 <RP> koen: I'd wait until deb support makes OE.dev before doing anything
Nov 23 11:55:09 <koen> RP: I'd even wait a bit longer :)
Nov 23 11:55:43 <RP> koen: The feed could use a rebuild anyway as the MAINTAINERS are a bit broken in some packages
Nov 23 11:55:57 <koen> RP: indeed
Nov 23 11:56:23 <koen> RP: I try to rebuild those when I spot them, but a lot don't compile anymore
Nov 23 12:00:10 <koen> RP: does package_deb.bbclass also create diff.gz and .dsc files?
Nov 23 12:00:27 <RP> koen: no
Nov 23 12:05:56 <RP> koen: patches welcome though ;-)
Nov 23 12:07:55 <koen> :)
Nov 23 12:17:24 <cbrake> koen: are you doing any regular x86 builds with angstrom?  If so, what machine do you use?
Nov 23 12:18:45 <RP> qemux86 is something I should merge into OE.dev now it works...
Nov 23 12:38:35 <koen> cbrake: 'MACHINE=guinness'
Nov 23 12:42:10 <XorA> koen: your distro for that should be pure-genius
Nov 23 12:42:20 <cbrake> koen: thx!
Nov 23 12:42:50 <Jin^eLD> re
Nov 23 12:43:11 <Jin^eLD> hey Crofton
Nov 23 12:43:26 <Jin^eLD> how is your setup doing? I still did not manage to get mine the way I want it
Nov 23 12:45:11 <koen> XorA: :)
Nov 23 12:45:23 <koen> XorA: it's the codename for the mainboard used
Nov 23 12:48:00 <koen> RP: fstests is pretty cool
Nov 23 12:50:51 <Crofton> gm
Nov 23 12:51:07 <koen> hey Crofton 
Nov 23 12:51:16 <Crofton> I am running with multimachine, left a build going, but haven't checked on results
Nov 23 12:52:00 <Crofton> apparently lazy setting of TARGET_OS does not work, so you need to set it with an = somewhere
Nov 23 12:52:16 <Crofton> gm koen 
Nov 23 12:54:32 <koen> RP: I use this to sort the feeds: http://angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/feed/unsorted/sort.sh.txt
Nov 23 12:55:04 <koen> RP: I think that should make sure each 'feed' has only one 'arch'
Nov 23 12:55:42 <Crofton> hmmm, multimachine does not appear to account for distro in deploy
Nov 23 12:59:25 <Crofton> my problem is I am interested in building EABI and OABI for same machine
Nov 23 12:59:29 <Crofton> for testing
Nov 23 12:59:45 <Crofton> of course, I am pretty much done with testing that :)
Nov 23 13:00:06 <koen> Crofton: did you commit that change to glibc 2.5 ?
Nov 23 13:00:20 <Crofton> the changes are already in
Nov 23 13:00:38 <Crofton> I am pretty sure you commited the patch from libc-ports last week :)
Nov 23 13:01:13 <Crofton> I backed out my patches for testing the problem and used what was in the repo
Nov 23 13:01:20 <koen> glibc_2.5.bb:      file://glibc-check_pf.patch;patch=1;pnum=0 \
Nov 23 13:01:25 <Crofton> yeah
Nov 23 13:01:41 <Crofton> there is an issue with the direcotry it is in
Nov 23 13:01:54 <Crofton> it is in the glic-2.4 and 2.5 dirs
Nov 23 13:02:05 <Crofton> the 2.5 bb file is pulling patches from the 2.4 dir
Nov 23 13:04:26 <hrw|work> koen: this script sort one dir with packages into feeds?
Nov 23 13:04:49 <koen> hrw|work: yes, but it doesn't update the Packages files
Nov 23 13:05:08 <hrw|work> koen: too many loops..
Nov 23 13:05:40 <hrw|work> "mv *_all.* ../all/" should works too
Nov 23 13:06:16 <hrw|work> 'find . -name *_all' instead of 'find . |grep _all'
Nov 23 13:06:19 <koen> no, that leaves morgue/ intact
Nov 23 13:06:50 <koen> 'find . -name *_all' doesn't work if *_all is in the current dir
Nov 23 13:06:59 <hrw|work> morgue is morgue - packages to forget 
Nov 23 13:07:00 <koen> 'path must precede expression'
Nov 23 13:07:39 <hrw|work> for machine in guinness ; do
Nov 23 13:08:08 <hrw|work> that reminds me that I have to finish progear
Nov 23 13:08:08 <koen> :)
Nov 23 13:08:08 <koen> isn't that i486?
Nov 23 13:08:08 <hrw|work> i686
Nov 23 13:17:40 <Genesis> bugtracker is down for me since yesterday , known bug ?
Nov 23 13:20:33 <koen> RP: cairo 1.3.4 has some floating point stuff applied
Nov 23 13:20:59 <Genesis> vlo, : do you access to the bugtracker ?
Nov 23 13:22:56 <RP> koen: That script might work as long as apt will ignore the machines under armv5te etc
Nov 23 13:23:09 <RP> koen: cairo sounds good. about time ;-)
Nov 23 13:23:12 <hrw|work> food
Nov 23 13:24:09 <koen> RP: I have run the perf suite before and after: http://angstrom-distribution.org/~koen/cairo/
Nov 23 13:24:22 <koen> RP: but the parser segfaults :/
Nov 23 13:24:33 <koen> ~lart carl worth
Nov 23 13:24:33 * ibot stuffs carl worth into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it
Nov 23 13:27:47 <Genesis> koen, ; does bugtracker work for you ?
Nov 23 13:28:07 <Genesis> traceroute failed on it for me
Nov 23 13:28:10 <vlo> Genesis: no access to bugtracker yet
Nov 23 13:28:17 <koen> yes, they moved the IP
Nov 23 13:28:30 <vlo> Genesis: you have to wait for the DNS to update the IP
Nov 23 13:28:45 <koen> 20:41 < ggilbert_> kergoth: just found out about 10 minutes ago that the ip for my machine is now 
Nov 23 13:28:47 <koen>           64.136.190.225 
Nov 23 13:28:47 <koen> 20:42 < ggilbert_> Sorry for the late notice, but I didn't find out it was changing until the 
Nov 23 13:28:47 <koen>           machine disappeared 
Nov 23 13:30:06 <koen> if you add that ip with a hostname of bugs.openembedded.org to your /etc/hosts you should be able to access it
Nov 23 13:32:46 <Genesis> oki thx :)
Nov 23 13:33:12 <Genesis> i've 3 bb to pastes :)
Nov 23 13:36:08 <RP> koen: :-(
Nov 23 13:42:43 <hrw|work> koen: on guiness you use xorg normal or kdrive?
Nov 23 13:45:59 <CIA-4> 03crofton 07org.oe.dev * rba7ea90e... 10/ (1 packages/xerces-c/xerces-c_2.7.0.bb): xerces-c_2.7.0_bb : Add version 2.7.0 of xerces-c.
Nov 23 13:46:20 <Crofton> that shoudl solve unfetchabel source issue for xerces-c
Nov 23 13:46:46 <hrw|work> thx
Nov 23 13:47:11 <Crofton> One I have tested on OSK, I'll delete 2.6 bb file
Nov 23 13:47:53 <hrw|work> someone know how to 'mtn update' to one of heads automatically?
Nov 23 13:48:49 <koen> hrw|work: kdrive for the moment, but I want to use Xorg + radeon
Nov 23 13:49:18 <hrw|work> koen: I need to use xorg
Nov 23 13:49:20 <RP> hrw|work: btw, please don't remove puzzles. I quite like those games :)
Nov 23 13:49:31 <hrw|work> RP: then fix it?
Nov 23 13:50:00 <RP> hrw|work: I do from time to time but upstream changes extremely regularly :-/
Nov 23 13:50:29 <hrw|work> contact them to let them hold few revs?
Nov 23 13:50:46 <RP> hrw|work: I should ask them to make a release :)
Nov 23 13:51:20 <eugenebiz> where can i get explenation how to porepare recipe for glibc? Or someone has ready recept for glibc2.3.5pre+csl?
Nov 23 13:51:39 <RP> hrw|work: Unlike some things on that list, it is used and updated if slightly less frequently than needed
Nov 23 13:51:41 <hrw|work> 2.3.5pre?
Nov 23 13:51:58 <hrw|work> RP: I know, I updated it once
Nov 23 13:52:08 <eugenebiz> yes, that the version included in csl2005q3-2
Nov 23 13:52:32 <eugenebiz> i stuck with it becouse of kernel version :-(
Nov 23 13:52:52 <hrw|work> eugenebiz: 2.4.20?
Nov 23 13:53:03 <zecke> RP: I'm for GPL at any version if we go the GPL route
Nov 23 13:54:16 <eugenebiz> 10hrw|work:01 2.6.16.6 with ugly porting of eabi. So it accepts syscals described in 2.6.11rc3
Nov 23 13:54:26 <eugenebiz> 10hrw|work:01 2.6.12.6
Nov 23 13:54:31 <RP> zecke: I won't licence code under licences I haven't seen
Nov 23 13:56:35 <zecke> RP: hehe, hard to argue with that point
Nov 23 13:56:46 <zecke> RP: what would make a difference with GPLv3?
Nov 23 13:57:02 <zecke> RP: you asked for GPL because you do want modifications when people distribute BitBake
Nov 23 13:58:01 <RP> zecke: For bitbake GPLv3 probably doesn't make much difference but its the principle
Nov 23 13:58:16 <hrw|work> eugenebiz: ? turn off colors please
Nov 23 14:00:00 <eugenebiz> 10hrw|work:01 it's my im-client making problems. Sorry. Is it ok now?
Nov 23 14:00:18 <hrw|work> eugenebiz: nope - black on black
Nov 23 14:00:50 <CIA-4> 03rpurdie 07org.oe.dev * rea4bfe86... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): puzzles: r6727 -> r6915
Nov 23 14:02:22 <zecke> RP: I think the spirit of GPL will not change
Nov 23 14:03:10 <RP> zecke: The key word being think :-/
Nov 23 14:03:19 <zecke> RP: it will be used to build OE stuff and I think it will seldomly be the case someone distributes a modified version of bitbake
Nov 23 14:04:02 <RP> zecke: but theres no harm is making it GPL2 to cover that case?
Nov 23 14:04:21 <zecke> RP: there is harm, we risk being GPL incompatible in the future
Nov 23 14:04:35 <zecke> GPLv3 incompatible, we might do...
Nov 23 14:05:15 <RP> zecke: There are a ton of projects out there with the same problem. I don't see it being an issue
Nov 23 14:06:04 <zecke> RP: and normally I don't jump out of windows just because others do
Nov 23 14:07:16 <zecke> I'm for non-copyleft permissive. I do not want bitbake to infringe any patents, I do not want someone commits an patented algorithm to BitBake (regardles of license)
Nov 23 14:07:32 <zecke> I do want that people can use the code and run away
Nov 23 14:09:11 <zecke> RP: but it might be the easies to use GPL, we do not need any agreement from aynone to do so
Nov 23 14:10:08 <XorA> RP: that getty on vt problem I had last night, well new sysvinit I just built doesnt have it, must have been temporary file insanity :-(
Nov 23 14:10:23 <RP> zecke: Most of the code base is GPL so it would make sense...
Nov 23 14:10:24 <XorA> RP: doesnt have the problem that is
Nov 23 14:10:39 <RP> XorA: Strange. I hate problems like that :)
Nov 23 14:12:05 <zecke> <
Nov 23 14:12:13 <koen> >
Nov 23 14:13:06 <RP> hrw|work, zecke: To be honest, I'd just say bitbake is GPLv2 - that is the common denominator of all the headers. If any aren't GPLv2 compatible, we should try and just change them
Nov 23 14:14:10 <zecke> RP: to be honest, I used to do GPLv2 because the Linus argument
Nov 23 14:14:28 <zecke> RP: but for BitBake we want people to copy, modify, edit it
Nov 23 14:14:39 <slapin_nb> is bugs.openembedded.org works?
Nov 23 14:14:43 <zecke> RP: and I'm sure people will be able to do it wevent with GPLv4
Nov 23 14:17:07 <RP> zecke: We also want to try and encourage changes to come back to us
Nov 23 14:17:41 <RP> Whether it happens or not in reality is a different question and I'm a realist but we have to try and encourage it
Nov 23 14:19:02 <Kristoffer> When is the new GPL due?
Nov 23 14:19:03 <zecke> RP: I'm an idealist, and changes will get back even with MIT license
Nov 23 14:19:59 * RP wishes he had that much faith
Nov 23 14:20:11 <koen> OE is MIT
Nov 23 14:20:29 <RP> koen: For what OE is, that makes sense
Nov 23 14:20:57 <zecke> RP: imagine FooVendor uses OE to build BAR app
Nov 23 14:21:11 <zecke> RP: now FooVendor creates BAR SDK consisting out of BB files
Nov 23 14:21:38 <zecke> and they have this Ueber Gut patch for BitBake they created internally
Nov 23 14:22:08 <zecke> They have two options a) distribute binary toolchain + source but not the tools used to create it
Nov 23 14:22:25 <zecke> b) release the source + OE bb files but not BitBake with Ueber Gut patch
Nov 23 14:22:32 <zecke> and GPL doesn't even hit here :)
Nov 23 14:23:15 <RP> zecke: No, but it does show the intent of the authors
Nov 23 14:23:45 <RP> zecke: With MIT, you can argue we don't care. With GPL, we care more
Nov 23 14:26:19 <zecke> but I don't care, I do not even give a warranty (hopefully)
Nov 23 14:26:34 <zecke> I want people to use it, and hack with me for the joy of hacking :)
Nov 23 14:27:13 <hrw|work> A: Strange. I hate problems like that :)
Nov 23 14:27:13 <hrw|work> 23 15:37 < zecke> <
Nov 23 14:27:43 <zecke> RP: either you say GPL is fine within 5 minutes or we go with GPLv2 as I don't care much
Nov 23 14:28:20 <Jin^eLD> interesting discussion... I had the same thoughts and actually am thinking to move my project to GPLv2 
Nov 23 14:28:20 <hrw|work> ops
Nov 23 14:28:44 <RP> zecke: I really don't like the "or later" clause...
Nov 23 14:28:55 <zecke> RP: so have fun patching :)
Nov 23 14:29:12 <koen> http://bugs.treke.net/
Nov 23 14:29:45 <RP> zecke: If I understand the situation, we can just mark the project as under GPL2 as a whole - the headers all just need to be GPL2 compatible
Nov 23 14:29:55 <psokolovsky_> Hi!
Nov 23 14:30:07 <koen> hey psokolovsky 
Nov 23 14:30:41 <zecke> RP: no, we should change the files :)
Nov 23 14:30:48 <zecke> RP: add a common header, add copyright
Nov 23 14:31:23 <psokolovsky> koen, RP: I want to convert h3600 to 2.6 kernel, but would kike to keep 2.4 support for now. do you think I can just name it h3600-2.4, and leave in conf/machine/, or must follow include/tosa-2.4.conf, etc way?
Nov 23 14:31:46 <RP> psokolovsky: You can just rename it if it isn't going to create too much duplication
Nov 23 14:31:48 <Shoragan> RP, v2 only or v2 and up?
Nov 23 14:31:54 <hrw|work> hi Shoragan 
Nov 23 14:31:57 <Shoragan> hi
Nov 23 14:32:09 <hrw|work> Shoragan: can you next time leave my nmu entries in changelog?
Nov 23 14:32:19 <RP> Shoragan: v2 only as you'll gather above
Nov 23 14:32:46 <psokolovsky> RP: I would like to keep "backup copy" to hang for some, but h3600.conf to use 2.6 only, w/o much of conditional. would this work?
Nov 23 14:32:59 <Shoragan> hrw, yes, ok (but i'm as much maintainer as you are, right now :)
Nov 23 14:33:37 <RP> psokolovsky: The problem is that you'd have to add overrides for h3600-2.4 everywhere. Overrides with dots in the names are not going to work
Nov 23 14:33:39 <Shoragan> RP, that would prohibit using gplv3 code in BB lateron
Nov 23 14:34:28 <RP> Shoragan: yes
Nov 23 14:34:38 <psokolovsky> RP: keyword is "backup". but I agree it's dirty to just leave garbage in the repo, so I'll do with includes
Nov 23 14:34:42 <zecke> this is what RP tries to encourage :)
Nov 23 14:34:53 <Shoragan> oh
Nov 23 14:34:57 <zecke> Shoragan: :)
Nov 23 14:35:24 <zecke> Shoragan: we have talked about this danger, and even if we are lazy would look into relicensing to GPLv3 once there is a GPLv3
Nov 23 14:35:48 <Shoragan> hmm, ok
Nov 23 14:36:36 <Shoragan> i noticed that the manual is under CC-BY-2.5 and uses a strange french licence for the css
Nov 23 14:36:57 <koen> psokolovsky: we have an SCM
Nov 23 14:37:03 <hrw|work> I will look at css and commit mit/gpl ver
Nov 23 14:37:14 <Genesis> Shoragan, : which ? CeCill ?
Nov 23 14:37:15 <Shoragan> CC-BY-2.5 is considered DFSG-non-free, so a debian package in main would have no docs
Nov 23 14:37:26 <zecke> Shoragan: lol
Nov 23 14:37:30 <RP> psokolovsky: The Zaurus machines went through a similar transition phase. Thankfully 2.4 has died on several machines now :)
Nov 23 14:37:49 <Shoragan> i can't comment on the french license, because i can't read it ;)
Nov 23 14:37:57 <hrw|work> RP: will we finally drop that 2.4 support?
Nov 23 14:38:00 <XorA> Shoragan: hard luck to debian then
Nov 23 14:38:07 <psokolovsky> RP: ok
Nov 23 14:38:10 <zecke> Shoragan: so you rip of freely distributable and modifiable documentation
Nov 23 14:38:20 <zecke> but leave closed binary blobs in Debian 4.0?
Nov 23 14:38:50 <RP> hrw|work: Just the kernels remain and since they're complex and unchanging, I don't see a problem with leaving them around
Nov 23 14:38:51 <psokolovsky> koen: yes, but I don't want to angry people who still might use it in the corner ;-). So, I'd do that and add it to removal.txt
Nov 23 14:39:18 <Shoragan> zecke, that was not my idea, but later releases of debian probably wont have sourceless firmware in the kernel
Nov 23 14:39:32 <XorA> again, hard luck to debian
Nov 23 14:39:59 <Jin^eLD> hrw|work: somehow I still can not reproduce your build environment... in this "somebuild/conf" directory - there is only local.conf and auto.conf and nothing else? because if I do it like that it complains about missing bitbake.conf and so on
Nov 23 14:40:04 <zecke> Shoragan: yes it is more important to cripple userspace
Nov 23 14:40:08 <Shoragan> there is no other (legal) option
Nov 23 14:40:11 <koen> psokolovsky: the options are to add a switch (like the zauri had) or switch
Nov 23 14:40:20 <zecke> Shoragan: it is non-dsfg because of the attribution?
Nov 23 14:40:20 <suihkulokki> ofcourse it's easy to flame without reading the arguments..
Nov 23 14:40:26 <koen> psokolovsky: cluttering up the repo does more damage than good
Nov 23 14:40:36 <XorA> Shoragan: beware of Debian legal opinions, they tend to not concur with reality
Nov 23 14:40:51 <Shoragan> zecke, no, CC-BY (and CC-BY-SA) is non-free because of the DRM clause
Nov 23 14:40:58 <psokolovsky> koen, so, if you approve unconditional switching to 2.6, I'll do just that then
Nov 23 14:41:03 <zecke> Shoragan: BTW: What is the debian trademark policy?
Nov 23 14:41:19 <psokolovsky> h3600 now had TS support, so well, 2.6 is pretty usable already ;-)
Nov 23 14:41:20 <Shoragan> there is a non-free logo, but it is not used anymore
Nov 23 14:41:40 <zecke> Shoragan: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.5/legalcode and searching for DRM does not show anything
Nov 23 14:41:40 <koen> RP: why can't puzzles use 0.0+svn${SRCDATE} ?
Nov 23 14:42:11 <Shoragan> 4.a. You may not distribute, publicly display, publicly perform, or publicly digitally perform the Work with any technological measures that control access or use of the Work in a manner inconsistent with the terms of this License Agreement.
Nov 23 14:42:14 <RP> koen: We could get it from svn I guess
Nov 23 14:42:24 <suihkulokki> zecke: debian-legal categorically rejects any *new* licenses due to whatever corner cases what may materialize in some parallel university
Nov 23 14:42:50 <suihkulokki> zecke: I tend to hate it as well, but OTOH the SCO case hase proved that you never can be carefull enough
Nov 23 14:43:02 <XorA> suihkulokki: debian-legal last I checked failed to actually know anything about copyright, so I always ignore them
Nov 23 14:43:10 <Kristoffer> lol
Nov 23 14:43:25 <Shoragan> that clause is the only problem with CC-BY(-SA)
Nov 23 14:43:39 <zecke> Shoragan: Could you copy and paste that clause somewhere for me
Nov 23 14:43:48 <zecke> Shoragan: I wonder what qualifies as DRM clause
Nov 23 14:44:17 <Shoragan> http://people.debian.org/~evan/ccsummary.html
Nov 23 14:44:51 <zecke> Shoragan: *yawn* 2.0 vs 2.5....
Nov 23 14:45:13 <Shoragan> the 4a part is the same as in 2.0
Nov 23 14:45:31 <suihkulokki> XorA: that's pretty flamy generalization. you realize that debian-legal is a mailing list where *anyone* can post?
Nov 23 14:46:05 <XorA> suihkulokki: I know, and 98% of posters appear to be idiots, so a rejection from there means nothing
Nov 23 14:46:15 <Kristoffer> When GPLv3 is out do we have any idea how great of a impact it will have? Or will most remain with v2?
Nov 23 14:47:28 <suihkulokki> Kristoffer: my guess is FSF will relicense whatever is under their copyright ranging from gcc to emacs. rest will probably stay at gplv2+, and some new projects will pick up gplv3
Nov 23 14:49:13 <Shoragan> and i think it would be better to have docs and code under the same license. then you are allowed to copy code between them
Nov 23 14:49:39 <zecke> Shoragan: lol, normally you don't write documentation in python
Nov 23 14:50:02 <Shoragan> but perhaps you would like some code examples in the documentation
Nov 23 14:50:22 <Shoragan> or use text from the docs in python docstrings
Nov 23 14:50:27 <zecke> Shoragan: if I want them they would be below 4 lines of code
Nov 23 14:50:48 <zecke> Shoragan: and at least Trolltech's legal department at least once thought that is not copyrightable :)
Nov 23 14:51:05 <Shoragan> that would probably be fair use as a citation
Nov 23 14:52:22 <hrw|work> speaking about python...
Nov 23 14:52:32 <hrw|work> RP, zecke: shellbang mail....
Nov 23 14:53:02 <zecke> hrw|work: what does that mean?
Nov 23 14:53:45 <CoreDump|home> hi
Nov 23 14:55:08 <Kristoffer> CoreDump|home, hey
Nov 23 14:55:20 <hrw|work> zecke: #!python in lib/bb/*.py
Nov 23 14:55:44 <psokolovsky> koen: so I assume 2.6 only for h3600 is approved ;-)
Nov 23 14:55:52 <zecke> hrw|work: why does that matter?
Nov 23 14:55:56 <CIA-4> 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * rb4e16602... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-jlime-jornada7xx_2.6.19rc6.bb): 
Nov 23 14:55:56 <CIA-4> linux/linux-jlime-jornada7xx_2.6.19rc6.bb : Changing S dir to 2.6.18
Nov 23 14:55:56 <CIA-4> * Since we are using 2.6.18 sources and patching them up to
Nov 23 14:55:56 <CIA-4>  2.6.19rc6, we should use 2.6.18 as S dir (instead of 2.6.19rc6)
Nov 23 14:55:56 <CIA-4>  so the patching works.
Nov 23 14:56:03 <CIA-4> 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * rce8600e3... 10/ (1 conf/machine/jornada7xx.conf): 
Nov 23 14:56:03 <CIA-4> conf/machine/jornada7xx.conf : added task-base parameters
Nov 23 14:56:03 <CIA-4> * Added needed machine features for jornada7xx so it
Nov 23 14:56:05 <CIA-4>  will work with task-base
Nov 23 14:56:08 <CIA-4> 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * r9b981e31... 10/ (1 conf/machine/jornada6xx.conf): 
Nov 23 14:56:09 <CIA-4> conf/machine/jornada6xx.conf : Added machine features for task-base
Nov 23 14:56:11 <CIA-4> * Added machine features into configure file so it
Nov 23 14:56:13 <CIA-4>  will play nice with task-base.
Nov 23 14:56:33 <Shoragan> zecke, lintian is complaining about it, but i don't think it really matter
Nov 23 14:56:45 <zecke> lintian is?
Nov 23 14:56:53 <Shoragan> yes
Nov 23 14:56:56 <hrw|work> debian package checker
Nov 23 14:57:08 <hrw|work> fedora use rpmlint for same reason
Nov 23 14:57:23 <Shoragan> it checks for common packaging problems
Nov 23 14:57:27 <hrw|work> if package has errors shown by lintian/rpmlint then it cant enter repository
Nov 23 14:57:45 <zecke> Debian is fun
Nov 23 14:58:03 <Shoragan> #! in /usr/lib is only a warning
Nov 23 14:58:04 <zecke> full of double standards, I really love that :)
Nov 23 14:58:41 <hrw|work> also bitbake/setup.py is not FHS compliant
Nov 23 14:59:10 <Shoragan> yes, but easily patched
Nov 23 15:01:46 <RP> hrw|work: I've fine for both issues to be fixed - no preference
Nov 23 15:03:24 <zecke> I'm for keeping the #!env python and against making them executable
Nov 23 15:03:49 <zecke> reason: They use doctest
Nov 23 15:03:52 <Shoragan> are they intended to be executable on their own?
Nov 23 15:03:58 <Shoragan> ah
Nov 23 15:04:07 <zecke> it is convient to make them executable for testing purposes
Nov 23 15:04:31 <zecke> it is kind of a developer convience, I do not want to give up
Nov 23 15:04:40 <zecke> but on the other hand we do not test a lot
Nov 23 15:06:06 <RP> zecke: If we actually use it, keep it, that's fine with me. I didn't realise we used it :)
Nov 23 15:06:33 <zecke> RP: I have used it (but seldomly)
Nov 23 15:06:58 <Shoragan> in the ones i looked at, there was no code that would be executed by running them as scripts
Nov 23 15:07:31 <Shoragan> only class and function definitions
Nov 23 15:08:47 <Shoragan> and even shell.py would only tell me to not call it directly ;)
Nov 23 15:09:23 <zecke> take a look at data.py
Nov 23 15:09:44 <Shoragan> ah, there
Nov 23 15:11:45 <Shoragan> anyway, you don't have to change that. the ftp-master will probably accept it this way
Nov 23 15:11:56 <koen> RP: http://blogs.gnome.org/view/xan/2006/11/23/0
Nov 23 15:15:28 <RP> koen: Not another person thinking of porting sysprof :-(
Nov 23 15:35:15 <tkp> ipkg uses the files in /etc/ipkg/ to pull feed locations from
Nov 23 15:35:37 <tkp> eg /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf, which is a file written when creating the root image
Nov 23 15:35:41 <koen> tkp: yes, or from /etc/ipkg.conf
Nov 23 15:36:11 <tkp> koen: I am trying to supply my own conf file by passing -f /tmp/my-dynamic.conf
Nov 23 15:36:27 <tkp> but it still also uses the files in /etc/ipkg as well
Nov 23 15:36:52 <tkp> do you know if it's possible to override this behaviour completely?
Nov 23 15:37:04 <tkp> so that it uses my conf file, and only my conf file
Nov 23 15:48:25 <koen> grrrr
Nov 23 15:48:38 <koen> excell decides to change '.' to ',' at random
Nov 23 15:48:46 * koen switches to real software
Nov 23 15:49:52 <koen> so cairo isn't 10000 times faster as yesterday
Nov 23 16:12:25 <psokolovsky> Anyone has an idea if kernel supports ou-of-source-tree building, like VPATH stuff with GNU make/configure?
Nov 23 16:14:09 <slapin_nb> Hi, all! Could anyone please look at this: http://bugs.treke.net/show_bug.cgi?id=1610
Nov 23 16:14:24 <slapin_nb> psokolovsky, it supports it
Nov 23 16:14:54 <psokolovsky> slapin_nb, thanks, will figure details myself then ;-)
Nov 23 16:15:12 <slapin_nb> psokolovsky, I just don't remember details
Nov 23 16:15:35 <slapin_nb> something like setting KBUILDSRC or like that
Nov 23 16:15:41 <zecke> psokolovsky: modules can :)
Nov 23 16:15:52 <psokolovsky> ok
Nov 23 16:15:54 <slapin_nb> zecke, not only modules
Nov 23 16:16:06 <slapin_nb> it is commented inside Makefile
Nov 23 16:16:16 <psokolovsky> So bugs.openembedded.org has DNS troubles or what?
Nov 23 16:16:16 <slapin_nb> I found that there
Nov 23 16:16:54 <Genesis> psokolovsky, : yes dns changement
Nov 23 16:17:00 <Genesis> wait & see
Nov 23 16:17:11 <psokolovsky> ok
Nov 23 16:23:22 <Genesis> yop gerwinin , i finished mplayerplug-in recipe :)
Nov 23 16:25:35 <koen|away> 64.136.190.225  bugs.openembedded.org
Nov 23 16:26:17 <Genesis> don't work for me
Nov 23 16:26:51 <koen> I have that in /etc/hosts and it works
Nov 23 16:27:03 <Genesis> i retry & that works
Nov 23 16:27:07 <Genesis> weird
Nov 23 16:30:42 <gerwinin> Genesis I am compiling now the mplayer plugin
Nov 23 16:32:28 <Genesis> gerwinin, : and that works ?
Nov 23 16:32:52 <gerwinin> Well the virtual/mozilla doesn't work 
Nov 23 16:32:54 <Genesis> gerwinin, : if you insist to do same as me in same time , try compile gnash
Nov 23 16:33:02 <Genesis> i've some difficult
Nov 23 16:33:05 <gerwinin> Gnash ?
Nov 23 16:33:20 <koen> gnu flash decoder
Nov 23 16:33:20 <gerwinin> Genensis I am using your files :)
Nov 23 16:33:30 <Genesis> i've made some patch
Nov 23 16:33:36 <Genesis> let me put on bugs
Nov 23 16:33:45 <gerwinin> Genesis cool 
Nov 23 16:33:59 <gerwinin> Genesis can you put the firefox thing also there 
Nov 23 16:34:04 <Genesis> i'vent test yet because some hard pb
Nov 23 16:34:24 <Genesis> yeap
Nov 23 16:34:27 <koen> gerwinin: "We zullen je verzoek meenemen bij de bestuursvergadering op dinsdag 28 november." is what the uni responded for hosting the server
Nov 23 16:34:29 <Genesis> 10 minutes
Nov 23 16:34:42 <gerwinin> Koen : col
Nov 23 16:34:47 <gerwinin> Koen : cool
Nov 23 16:37:33 <koen> *fingers crossed*
Nov 23 16:47:01 <Genesis> gerwinin, http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1612
Nov 23 16:51:38 <Genesis> gerwinin, http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1613
Nov 23 16:52:07 <Genesis> feel free to commit my new recipes 
Nov 23 16:52:17 <hrw|work> cu
Nov 23 16:52:38 <Genesis> koen, http://bugs.openembedded.org/attachment.cgi?id=987
Nov 23 16:52:43 <Genesis> could you make me some advise ?
Nov 23 16:53:12 <Jin^eLD> any idea what is the most likely cause when bitbake complains about "ValueError: substring not found"?
Nov 23 16:53:39 <Jin^eLD> is my bitbake broken or can it be caused by a messed up configuration?
Nov 23 16:57:00 <Genesis> bbl
Nov 23 17:00:08 <Jin^eLD> that's cool! http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/FirstProject  a great walkthrough! it should be linked somehow so it would be easier to find
Nov 23 17:00:19 <Jin^eLD> I got there via google, could not find it via the oe site somehow
Nov 23 17:05:21 <gerwinin> It seems bugs.openembedded.org is down
Nov 23 17:45:36 <CIA-4> 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * re4036213... 10/ (1 conf/machine/h3600.conf): (log message trimmed)
Nov 23 17:45:36 <CIA-4> h3600: Upgrade machine config to use 2.6 kernel.
Nov 23 17:45:36 <CIA-4> * 2.6 support in HH.org reached level of usability (keys, TS, battery, flash
Nov 23 17:45:36 <CIA-4> work)
Nov 23 17:45:36 <CIA-4> * It was decided to switch to 2.6, as that general direction where OE moves,
Nov 23 17:45:36 <CIA-4> and to not clutter repository. Dear 2.4 users, please upgrade, or use SCM to
Nov 23 17:45:38 <CIA-4> fetch old version (no longer supported thus).
Nov 23 17:51:17 <florian_kc> oh
Nov 23 17:51:53 <florian_kc> koen: We will have Angström for h36xx soon?!
Nov 23 17:57:27 <psokolovsky> florian_kc, I bet as soon as someone hack gcc to add EABI support for armv4 (no thumb) ;-)
Nov 23 17:58:19 <Kristoffer> Do i need to define EXTRA_RDEPENDS_BOOTSTRAP += "" or just plain = "" ? 
Nov 23 17:58:36 <florian_kc> psokolovsky: heh, i knew there was a problem with these ;)
Nov 23 17:59:21 <psokolovsky> Kristoffer, bootstrap's dead, it seems
Nov 23 17:59:35 <Kristoffer> psokolovsky, but its still defined in task-bootstrap.bb
Nov 23 17:59:43 <Kristoffer> but didnt work :) atleast so far
Nov 23 17:59:55 <psokolovsky> ok, let it be "deprecated" ;-)
Nov 23 17:59:56 <Kristoffer> What should I use instead (aside from task-base)
Nov 23 18:00:07 <psokolovsky> task-base, it seems ;-)
Nov 23 18:00:20 <Kristoffer> lol, oki thx
Nov 23 18:04:05 <Kristoffer> psokolovsky, DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS must be the closest thing im after then
Nov 23 18:05:44 <psokolovsky> Kristoffer, I guess yes. Sorry, I didn't build "bootstrap" image in a while, but Ansgtrom supports that concept of course, worth checking how it does that.
Nov 23 18:06:10 <Kristoffer> if people dont use bootstrap-image what do they use :D ?
Nov 23 18:10:06 <gerwinin> it seems bugs.openembedded.org is unreachable
Nov 23 18:18:38 <CIA-4> 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * r293b4441... 10/ (1 conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf): 
Nov 23 18:18:38 <CIA-4> conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf : Added DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS
Nov 23 18:18:38 <CIA-4> * In line with adjusting to task-base, added DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS
Nov 23 18:32:02 <slapin_nb> anybody interested in valgrind .bb?
Nov 23 18:34:33 <slapin_nb> if not then I go sell it on flea market
Nov 23 19:09:14 <gremlin[it]> hi all ... I just notice h3600.conf now build 2.6 kernel by default :) !!!
Nov 23 19:10:06 <gerwinin> gremlin: I saw a message passing by about that this afternoon
Nov 23 19:12:48 <cyrilRomain> 'ning all
Nov 23 19:14:35 <gremlin[it]> gerwinin i'm really really really happy !!! 
Nov 23 19:14:46 <likewise> 'rning!
Nov 23 19:26:21 <sirfred> Good evening
Nov 23 19:29:19 <CIA-4> 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * ra35a098d... 10/ (1 conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf): 
Nov 23 19:29:19 <CIA-4> conf/distro/jlime-donkey.conf : Fix typo
Nov 23 19:29:19 <CIA-4> * PREFERERD != PREFERRED
Nov 23 19:46:55 <gerwinin> Is there anything I can help in getting bugs.openembedded.org up again ?
Nov 23 20:03:51 <florian_kc> bbl
Nov 23 20:22:12 <koen> re
Nov 23 20:22:37 <woglinde> jo koen
Nov 23 20:22:44 <koen> hey woglinde 
Nov 23 20:25:57 <Jin^eLD> wb
Nov 23 21:04:27 <CIA-4> 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * rc6ce49f2... 10/ (1 packages/tslib/tslib/jornada7xx/tslib.sh): 
Nov 23 21:04:27 <CIA-4> packages/tslib/tslib/jornada7xx/tslib.sh : Set proper TS device
Nov 23 21:04:27 <CIA-4> * Should be input instead of h3600
Nov 23 21:04:33 <CIA-4> 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * r5af668b4... 10/ (1 packages/tslib/tslib/jornada7xx/ts.conf): 
Nov 23 21:04:33 <CIA-4> packages/tslib/tslib/jornada7xx/ts.conf : Proper ts.conf
Nov 23 21:04:33 <CIA-4> * Added proper ts.conf file
Nov 23 21:04:38 <CIA-4> 03kristoffer 07org.oe.dev * r7b828437... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Nov 23 21:04:38 <CIA-4> packages/initscripts/initscripts-1.0/jornada7xx/checkroot.sh:
Nov 23 21:04:38 <CIA-4> * Removed fsck check as this messes up things on
Nov 23 21:04:39 <CIA-4>  jornada machines.
Nov 23 21:24:05 <Ken|Jlime> Where can I get ts_calibrate tools?
Nov 23 21:25:12 <woglinde> hm
Nov 23 21:25:15 <woglinde> they are in oe
Nov 23 21:25:42 <Ken|Jlime> yes, but belong to what package :D
Nov 23 21:25:48 <Ken|Jlime> i didnt notice them in tslib
Nov 23 21:26:00 <Ken|Jlime> nevermind
Nov 23 21:26:21 <woglinde> so you found it?
Nov 23 21:26:27 <woglinde> I'm happy
Nov 23 21:35:26 <Ken|Jlime> woglinde, yeah was in tslib-calibrate :D
Nov 23 21:36:02 <gerwinin> Does anybody know the ip adress of bugs.openembedded.org
Nov 23 21:36:20 <woglinde> gerwinin I dont know
Nov 23 21:38:15 <slapin_nb> 64.136.190.225  bugs.openembedded.org
Nov 23 21:41:20 <Jin^eLD> NOTE: package linux-geodelx-2.6.11-r0: task do_compile: failed
Nov 23 21:41:30 <Jin^eLD> cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mregparm=3"
Nov 23 21:41:30 <Jin^eLD> is it known?
Nov 23 21:41:33 <Jin^eLD> or did I mess something up?
Nov 23 21:41:58 <Jin^eLD> meaning - were some special things in configuration files needed or something :>
Nov 23 21:42:12 * SonicvanaJr is away: I'm away
Nov 23 21:42:37 <woglinde> jin-eld hm
Nov 23 21:42:44 <woglinde> dont know your local.conf
Nov 23 21:42:50 <woglinde> and about geodelx
Nov 23 21:43:13 <Jin^eLD> I know nothing about geodelx either, I do not think it was my intent to build it
Nov 23 21:43:13 <woglinde> but maybee mregparm was an option for kernel 2.4
Nov 23 21:43:33 <Jin^eLD> I anyway did not change anything in the .bb file for geodelx
Nov 23 21:43:34 <woglinde> than your local.conf is wrong somehow
Nov 23 21:43:54 <woglinde> if you dont want build geodelx
Nov 23 21:44:14 <Jin^eLD> yeah, that's for sure :)
Nov 23 21:44:57 <Jin^eLD> well, I did not want to build a kernel at all because I have a prebuilt one
Nov 23 21:44:59 <Jin^eLD> so I set ASSUME_PROVIDED += " virtual/linux "
Nov 23 21:45:02 <Jin^eLD> in my local conf
Nov 23 21:45:06 <Jin^eLD> I thought that should do it?
Nov 23 21:45:20 <woglinde> hm
Nov 23 21:46:53 <Jin^eLD> so.. what should I set if I do not want to build a kernel?
Nov 23 21:47:18 <woglinde> sorry
Nov 23 21:47:20 <woglinde> dont know
Nov 23 21:47:26 <woglinde> didnt it so far
Nov 23 21:49:53 <cyrilRomain> Jin^eLD: maybe try ASSUME_PROVIDED += " virtual/kernel "
Nov 23 21:50:12 <Jin^eLD> ok let me try that.. thanks
Nov 23 21:50:38 <cyrilRomain> Jin^eLD: yep it should do the trick
Nov 23 21:51:10 <gerwinin> Can you guys reach bugs.openembedded.org ?
Nov 23 21:51:25 <cyrilRomain> gerwinin: no
Nov 23 21:51:30 <Jin^eLD> gerwinin: no ping reply
Nov 23 21:52:03 <gerwinin> Is there anybody who can bring it up again ?
Nov 23 21:52:11 <CoreDump|home> gerwinin: AFAIK the machine hosting bugs.oe.org had its IP changed and the DNS has not been updated yet
Nov 23 21:52:48 <gerwinin> CoreDump , when will it be up again ?
Nov 23 21:53:36 <CoreDump|home> add "64.136.190.225 bugs.openembedded.org" to your /etc/hosts to unb0rk
Nov 23 21:55:55 <Jin^eLD> cyrilRomain: for some reason it still tries to build the kernel
Nov 23 21:55:59 <Jin^eLD> it says NOTE: consider defining a PREFERRED_PROVIDER to match runtime kernel
Nov 23 21:56:09 <Jin^eLD> and that multiple providers are available
Nov 23 21:56:25 <Jin^eLD> and then takes the geodelx thing but that does fail when building
Nov 23 21:56:31 <gerwinin> Coredump: thanks
Nov 23 21:56:35 <hrw> hi
Nov 23 21:56:39 <Jin^eLD> hey hrw 
Nov 23 21:56:40 <woglinde> hi hrw
Nov 23 21:56:41 <CoreDump|home> gerwinin: np
Nov 23 21:56:46 <CoreDump|home> yo hrw 
Nov 23 21:56:49 <gerwinin> Coredump: We will be setting up oe mirrors in decembers
Nov 23 21:56:52 <gerwinin> Coredump: We will be setting up oe mirrors in december
Nov 23 21:57:21 <hrw> gerwinin: SOURCE_MIRROR_FETCH = "1" into local.conf 
Nov 23 21:58:10 <cyrilRomain> Jin^eLD: :(
Nov 23 21:58:44 <Jin^eLD> hrw: I am still fiddling around with that distro of mine that you helped me with; do you know why it is trying to build the kernel if I say ASSUME_PROVIDED += " virtual/kernel " in my local conf?
Nov 23 21:59:03 <gerwinin> hrw: Koen arranged the software , I did the hardware
Nov 23 21:59:37 <gerwinin> hrw: Koen arranged the hosting as well
Nov 23 21:59:51 <cyrilRomain> Jin^eLD: you tried with PREFERRED_PROVIDER = "linux-geodelx" and ASSUME_PROVIDED += " virtual/kernel " ?
Nov 23 21:59:54 <hrw> Jin^eLD: I would create empty.bb and set PREFERRED-PROVIDEE_virtual/kernel = "empty" :)
Nov 23 22:00:06 <Jin^eLD> oh
Nov 23 22:00:20 <Jin^eLD> cyrilRomain: no, I did not try anything with geodelx, so I wonder why it tried building it
Nov 23 22:00:27 <Jin^eLD> hrw: ok let me try that :)
Nov 23 22:00:35 <hrw> Jin^eLD: which machine you use?
Nov 23 22:01:35 <Jin^eLD> hrw: my own, the one you helped me with as well :)
Nov 23 22:01:49 <hrw> ok ok
Nov 23 22:02:08 <Jin^eLD> hrw: it did work before but I did an update today
Nov 23 22:02:15 <Jin^eLD> and I guess something went wrong or whatever
Nov 23 22:13:19 <Jin^eLD> hrw: I don't get it... I did it as you told, with empty.db, I put the PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "empty" line in my-distro.conf
Nov 23 22:13:27 <Jin^eLD> still it is complaining
Nov 23 22:14:00 <Jin^eLD> it can not find the preferred glibc version which is 2.5, and then says NOTE: multiple providers are available (lists all kernels)
Nov 23 22:14:14 <Jin^eLD> after that it tries to build linux-geodelx-2.6.11
Nov 23 22:14:23 <Jin^eLD> allthough I never set anything asking about that package
Nov 23 22:14:25 <Jin^eLD> any ideas?
Nov 23 22:15:09 <cyrilRomain> Jin^eLD: you can ignore the "preferred glibc version which is 2.5"
Nov 23 22:15:23 <cyrilRomain> Jin^eLD: but no idea on your issue
Nov 23 22:15:30 <Jin^eLD> hmm
Nov 23 22:18:33 <hrw> Jin^eLD: and you cannot add your kernel into OE?
Nov 23 22:18:58 <Jin^eLD> hrw: well.. I do have the sources.. but I am not sure how easy that would be
Nov 23 22:19:25 <Jin^eLD> I would be happy if I finally get my image going, so I thought I skip the kernel part since I have a prebuilt version + modules
Nov 23 22:19:25 <hrw> Jin^eLD: SRC_URI = "mysources"\ninherit kernel
Nov 23 22:19:43 <hrw> Jin^eLD: its nearly this
Nov 23 22:19:46 <Jin^eLD> and that's it?
Nov 23 22:19:47 <Jin^eLD> hmm
Nov 23 22:19:58 <Jin^eLD> well, I first want to diff the vendor version vs. vanilla
Nov 23 22:20:14 <Jin^eLD> hrw: but that would build something "default"?
Nov 23 22:20:27 <hrw> Jin^eLD: compulab-pxa270_2.6.16.bb is simple example
Nov 23 22:20:29 <Jin^eLD> I do not know if they changed anything for the configuration
Nov 23 22:20:41 <hrw> ~lart gnash
Nov 23 22:20:41 * ibot teaches gnash that M$ Access is a database. No, really, a database. A real live multi-user... well, ok, not multi-user, but a database. Yeah, that sounds right.
Nov 23 22:21:10 <Jin^eLD> hmm
Nov 23 22:23:32 <Jin^eLD> I'll give it a go tomorrow, gotta run home now :) Have a good chance of missing the last subway ;)
Nov 23 22:23:38 <Jin^eLD> thanks for the help, everyone :)
Nov 23 22:24:49 <cyrilRomain> night all
Nov 23 22:50:26 * v8jlene is back
Nov 23 23:17:27 <hrw> http://openzaurus.linuxtogo.org/wordpress/
Nov 23 23:20:18 <pgfeller> hrw: looks very nice 
Nov 23 23:27:06 <rwhitby> koen: have you got Angstrom to run on your NSLU2 yet?
Nov 23 23:30:19 <koen> nope
Nov 23 23:30:24 <koen> donated my slug to my dad
Nov 23 23:30:41 <koen> and I'm waiting for my POE adaptor to arrive to boot up my loft
Nov 24 00:24:30 <NAiL> Anyone happen to know whether U.K. ADSL uses Annex A or B?
Nov 24 00:43:40 <rwhitby> koen: I'll be interested in your efforts to get Angstrom running on the Loft, as we will use that for the basis of getting SlugOS to just be a customisation of Angstrom.
Nov 24 00:44:36 <hrw> cu - need to wake up in 6h
Nov 24 00:45:00 <hrw> but new OZ website looks better then ever ;D
Nov 24 00:45:23 <hrw> kergoth: I will request change of openzaurus.org soon
Nov 24 01:02:24 <hrw> cu
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