**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 24 02:59:58 2007 Jan 24 03:55:57 03roman.moravcik 07org.oe.dev * rba7c9e5a... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-handhelds-2.6/rx3000/defconfig): Jan 24 03:55:57 linux-handhelds-2.6 2.6.19: Update defconfig for rx3000. Jan 24 03:55:57 * Closes #1812. Jan 24 03:56:01 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rab659b89... 10/ (1 conf/machine/rx3000.conf): Jan 24 03:56:01 rx3000: Prefer kernel 2.6.18-hh2, until 2.6.19 will be revamped from mainline breakage. Jan 24 03:56:01 * Closes #1812. Jan 24 08:30:59 morning Jan 24 08:32:12 morning Jan 24 08:53:43 morning Jan 24 09:00:41 morning all Jan 24 09:01:24 hi RP Jan 24 09:01:47 good morning all Jan 24 09:04:48 hey RP Jan 24 09:41:23 ~seen gerwinin Jan 24 09:41:51 gerwinin was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 6d 17h 17s ago, saying: 'Hrw: you can send yo gerwin@vanderkruis.net'. Jan 24 09:42:55 hi rp Jan 24 09:42:57 hi zecke Jan 24 09:43:00 hi mickeyl Jan 24 09:43:09 hi xora Jan 24 09:43:22 hi pb__ Jan 24 09:47:50 * rwhitby boots OE arm eabi on the IOMega nas100d Jan 24 10:02:20 good morning Jan 24 10:05:57 I would like some advice on buildsystem. I nowadays usually use cmake. But I don't think it is very well suited for cross-compiling yet, and I would like to use something more comfortable than autotools and well supported in OE. Someone know what the "Holy Grail" is ? Jan 24 10:21:02 vlo: I think mickeyl did some scons stuff in oE Jan 24 10:24:52 hi florian Jan 24 10:28:36 XorA: and do you know how cmake is supported in OE ? Jan 24 10:28:56 vlo: no Jan 24 10:30:12 oh lorn changed the job title Jan 24 10:30:29 what is it now? Jan 24 10:30:34 zecke: moving to Brisbane? Jan 24 10:30:39 Trolltech Software Engineer, MES, Hardware Group Jan 24 10:30:46 XorA: did hell freeze over? Jan 24 10:30:54 * rwhitby went to Uni in Brisbane. Jan 24 10:32:57 zecke: surely you could reform them :-) Jan 24 10:33:55 XorA: they had their chanche. I always apply once at companies and back in 2003 they missed their oppurtunity :) Jan 24 10:36:25 Any comments if product announcements and job offers are On Topic for oe-dev? Jan 24 10:36:54 I would have thought more suitable in oe-users Jan 24 10:43:13 XorA: how many oe devels read oe-users? Jan 24 10:43:37 hrw|work: then its a good place to send spam :-) Jan 24 11:02:09 moning all Jan 24 11:02:44 hey lrg Jan 24 11:03:17 hey XorA, back to work ;) Jan 24 11:06:29 hi lrg Jan 24 11:07:05 hey pb__ Jan 24 11:07:28 is it snowing up there in the frozen north? Jan 24 11:08:11 nope Jan 24 11:08:12 cold and sunny Jan 24 11:08:45 ah right, same as here Jan 24 11:08:53 we had some snow earlier this morning but it's mostly melted now Jan 24 11:09:23 .oO(bavaria gets covered) Jan 24 11:09:58 * XorA was hoping for about 6ft of snow Jan 24 11:26:34 Likewise: When did you plan the oe diner in eindhoven ? Jan 24 11:27:50 gerwinin: I saw Koen yesterday when he went to the sneak preview cinema with us. He has time on thursday. Does that suit you? Jan 24 11:27:59 Okay Jan 24 11:28:07 Likewise : Okay Jan 24 11:28:47 gerwinin: nothing was planned besides that. any preference on time and place? Jan 24 11:29:13 No that is all up to you Jan 24 11:30:45 gerwinin: trafalgar pub would allow Guinness and food opportunities, but can be quite smokey. Jan 24 11:31:49 hi gerwinin - thx for mail Jan 24 11:34:14 Guinness = good :) Jan 24 11:34:41 anyone got ideas which embedded companies are going to be hanging round FOSDEM Jan 24 11:35:20 gerwinin: ok, let's meet at the trafalgar pub then, say 19:00? Jan 24 11:35:43 XorA: I guess lotsof ppl working at embedded companies, or do you mean speakers? Jan 24 11:36:21 likewise: I mean the people just hanging around with company name badges on Jan 24 11:36:29 gerwinin: tomorrow that is. Jan 24 11:36:36 * XorA needs to justify expenses Jan 24 11:36:49 XorA: I could pin a company badge on :-) Jan 24 11:39:58 hi wookey Jan 24 11:41:44 hey wookey Jan 24 12:12:01 re Jan 24 13:04:29 hi Jin^eLD, wookey Jan 24 13:09:45 We are not alone: Jan 24 13:09:46 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070124/wr_nm/wadmo_website_odd_dc_1 Jan 24 13:19:10 Hehe Jan 24 13:45:23 Hi guys, has anyone had a chance to look at bug 1815? I can't build glibc... Jan 24 13:47:23 !oebug 1815 Jan 24 13:47:24 * * Bug 1815, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-01-22 20:01 Jan 24 13:47:25 * * dothedog(AT)comcast.net: glibc build fails on locale generation Jan 24 13:47:26 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1815 Jan 24 13:53:12 dothedog: dont recognise that problem Jan 24 13:53:24 * XorA cant do binary locale generation anyway Jan 24 13:54:33 XorA: I got it to work a while back. I'm trying to do a rebuild of gpe-image. Don't know what has changed. Jan 24 13:57:31 XorA: I'm doing this on x86... Jan 24 13:58:58 dothedog: x86_64 here, so its different Jan 24 13:59:41 Yeah, I have an x86_64 box as well, had different locale generation problem with that one. ;) Jan 24 14:28:17 koen|away: ping Jan 24 14:28:20 oh.. away Jan 24 14:33:10 morning Jan 24 14:37:33 who added pulseaudio to OE? Jan 24 14:38:09 koen Jan 24 14:38:40 ~lart koen, pulseaudio does not PROVIDES = "esound" Jan 24 14:38:40 * ibot takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down koen, pulseaudio does not PROVIDES = "esound"'s throat until koen, pulseaudio does not PROVIDES = "esound" puts on 150lbs Jan 24 14:45:33 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r471ef385... 10/ (1 packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.5.bb): Jan 24 14:45:33 pulseaudio_0.9.5.bb : it doesnt PROVIDE esound as it doesnt stage headers Jan 24 14:45:33 or pkgconfig stuff Jan 24 15:21:37 Laibsch: ping? Jan 24 15:23:04 two japanese blogs mentioned my 'end of zaurus line' posts Jan 24 15:28:57 hi! why does OE checkouts SVN to workdir instead of sources/svn ? Jan 24 15:39:21 slapin_nb: it doesn't Jan 24 15:39:44 slapin_nb: first bitbake is doing the checkout, 2nd OE is copying/untaring the checkout Jan 24 15:41:51 I'm bothered that on package rebuild it started checkout from scratch and not just updated repo Jan 24 15:42:28 slapin_nb: I doubt that :) Jan 24 15:42:47 it created dir with name oesvn.O18362 under package directory and checkouts there Jan 24 15:43:13 I'd prefer if it updated repo Jan 24 15:43:17 slapin_nb: you mean workdir? or what is package directory? Jan 24 15:43:23 workdir Jan 24 15:43:37 slapin_nb: ah ho, show me the strace that it is doing svn co in ${WORKDIR} Jan 24 15:44:17 how can I step through each bitbake stage? bitbake -i? Then what commands? Jan 24 15:45:43 bradbev: you can only list the available tasks, but not their dependencies/relations Jan 24 15:46:14 ah Jan 24 15:46:22 zecke, how to make it print information to log? with -DDD it doesn't Jan 24 15:47:07 sorry to be thick, but how do I list those tasks? Jan 24 15:48:17 bradbev: let me check :) Jan 24 15:49:12 :) Jan 24 15:49:14 thanks Jan 24 15:49:29 slapin_nb: See. You say it is doing svn co instead of svn up and you say it is doing that in the WORKDIR. I want to believe but it is your job to show me the facts/smoking gun... Jan 24 15:50:01 bradbev: bitbake -b a/bb/file.bb -c listtasks Jan 24 15:50:32 ah, cool - thans Jan 24 15:50:35 RP: is listtask still working with bitbake trunk? Jan 24 15:52:30 zecke, http://ossfans.org/paste?id=44e2a5 Jan 24 15:53:18 slapin_nb: where do I see teh $CWD? Jan 24 15:53:25 slapin_nb: and is this bb file insinde OE? Jan 24 15:53:55 good morning all Jan 24 15:54:18 right. So my situation is that I have a working system, but I don't like the layout of the dirs. So I have changed it to be more like what I want, but now making a particular image is broken. The do_rootfs task is not running. Any ideas what could be suppressing it? Jan 24 15:55:27 bradbev: well, it all depends on what and how you moved stuff around... Jan 24 15:55:38 koen__: good morning koen Jan 24 15:56:45 zecke, I've not moved any of the OE stuff. Just created a setup more like the one HRW describes in his blog. Jan 24 15:56:52 hey likewise Jan 24 15:56:58 hi koen Jan 24 15:57:00 so I can build different machines easily Jan 24 15:57:03 koen__: you got mail at koen@openembedded.org about thursday, are you able to read that? Jan 24 15:57:16 likewise: the reply should be in your inbox :) Jan 24 15:57:23 zecke, http://ossfans.org/paste?id=288cc6 Jan 24 15:57:25 trafalgar sounds good Jan 24 15:57:46 slapin_nb: whats that? Jan 24 15:58:16 slapin_nb: afariad of using strace and filtering it? Jan 24 15:58:31 I'm off now. cu! Jan 24 15:58:51 koen__: ack. Jan 24 15:59:26 koen__: we noticed some problems with taglib, even crashes, so we changed the default settings to use id3lib for tag parsing Jan 24 15:59:45 slapin_nb: if your hackndev bb file is not doing random garbage, please feel free to mail me the proof Jan 24 15:59:45 I updated the .bb file in our SVN Jan 24 16:00:29 koen: could you please update the mediatomb_svn.bb in OE? Jan 24 16:00:57 bradbev: no idea about the reasons, there are many possible causes even human failure Jan 24 16:00:59 zecke|away, I won't Jan 24 16:01:09 zecke|away, I provided all required info Jan 24 16:01:13 slapin_nb: lol Jan 24 16:01:27 slapin_nb: your last pastebin doesn't even list the $CWD... Jan 24 16:01:34 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re6eeb251... 10/ (1 packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.5.bb): pulse-audio: inherit pkgconfig and stage headers Jan 24 16:02:10 zecke|away, most likely that :) Jan 24 16:02:22 zecke|away, what is this PWD=/home/slapin/openedhand/tmp/work/palmz72-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/linux-hackndev-2.6-2.6.17-hnd0-r0/oesvn.S19182 Jan 24 16:02:58 slapin_nb: where is the bb file is the bb file in question? Jan 24 16:03:19 it is in OE Jan 24 16:03:20 slapin_nb: http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/bitbake/trunk/bitbake/lib/bb/fetch/svn.py?rev=751&view=markup it should update, and it is upating for all others Jan 24 16:03:39 slapin_nb: so show me where it fails Jan 24 16:03:50 linux-hackndev-2.6.bb Jan 24 16:04:04 zecke|away, I'm not that good with bitbake stuff Jan 24 16:04:28 zecke|away, otherwise I'd send patch Jan 24 16:04:35 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r58bb7c26... 10/ (1 packages/mediatomb/mediatomb_svn.bb): mediatomb: switch to id3lib Jan 24 16:05:07 XorA: could you check if pulseaudio now can provide esound? gprs sucks for ssh :( Jan 24 16:05:30 slapin_nb: the bb fle itself looks sane. So please use strace Jan 24 16:05:30 koen: it can RPROVIDE it, not PROVIDE it Jan 24 16:05:31 slapin_nb: bitbake 1.6.x? Jan 24 16:05:34 slapin_nb: and filter it Jan 24 16:05:47 koen: it doesnt have esd.h or anything like it in the source Jan 24 16:05:49 XorA: it has esound.h Jan 24 16:05:53 anyway paid work waits Jan 24 16:06:14 hrw|work, yes Jan 24 16:07:08 koen: I shall re-check later Jan 24 16:07:15 thanks Jan 24 16:07:46 my build machine is rsyncing a feed so I got 10s delay on keypresses Jan 24 16:08:02 oh ha, sorry, looks like bitbake-1.6 branch didn't do svn up :) Jan 24 16:08:18 but it is still strange that $DL_DIR is not used and $TMPDIR Jan 24 16:08:35 slapin_nb: hehe, you are perfectly right with bitbake 1.6 Jan 24 16:09:03 my mind was with trunk, sorry about that Jan 24 16:09:39 zecke|away, what version is appropriae to use with current OE.dev? Jan 24 16:09:39 *appropriate Jan 24 16:10:03 slapin_nb: still bitbake-1.6 Jan 24 16:10:03 zecke|away, hrw|work : please apply http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1367 to 1.6 branch. I've been using it on 1.6 all this time w/o issues. Sorry I couldn't push that earlier or in mroe formal - I had to prune list of stuff I work on ;-( Jan 24 16:10:32 * mickeyl thinks zecke|away should rather become OpenMoko Software Engineer Jan 24 16:10:33 ;) Jan 24 16:10:35 hi guys, btw. Jan 24 16:11:03 Hi! Jan 24 16:11:19 hey mickeyl Jan 24 16:11:31 psokolovsky: and thats the problem which slapin_nb has ;D Jan 24 16:11:43 slapin_nb, I pass task of pushing that patch to 1.6 to you ;-I. Jan 24 16:11:53 hrw|work, yeah, exactly. Jan 24 16:11:56 psokolovsky: this patch need to be redone as I changed svn.py yesterday Jan 24 16:11:57 psokolovsky: feel free to add it to the backporting bug, and make mickeyl,RP,kergoth,hrw,pb_ commit it Jan 24 16:12:08 psokolovsky: #829 Jan 24 16:12:35 slapin_nb, you heard what should be done ;-) Jan 24 16:12:45 psokolovsky, ok Jan 24 16:19:20 hi mickeyl Jan 24 16:20:20 hi pb_! Jan 24 16:20:28 ~pester pb_ to book flight and hotel Jan 24 16:20:34 pb_ to book flight and hotel: Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? .. Are we there yet? see http://beverlys.net/LJ/BuggingYou.swf Jan 24 16:20:38 oh, good thinking Jan 24 16:21:17 mickeyl: heh, how does one become an openmoko software engineer? Jan 24 16:21:57 it probably involves feeding mickeyl some leffe brun Jan 24 16:22:59 pb_: that depends on the amount of work you want to do. i'm sure OpenMoko Inc. would pay for some skilled Gtk+ guys :) Jan 24 16:23:29 other than that, you can just hope you're on the free devices list and do some work in exchange for the phone Jan 24 16:23:46 if you're interested, that is Jan 24 16:24:28 psokolovsky: patch in #1387 updated - can you test it? Jan 24 16:24:31 * mickeyl seen a vision of a british GPE mastermind being on that list Jan 24 16:25:09 ~curse monotone 'developers' Jan 24 16:25:11 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, monotone 'developers' ! Jan 24 16:25:34 hrw|work, #1367? Jan 24 16:25:36 using monotone without r/w is nightmare Jan 24 16:25:37 ah ha! different org.openembedded.dev trees! Jan 24 16:25:39 psokolovsky: yes Jan 24 16:26:43 fsck Jan 24 16:26:51 mtn update Jan 24 16:26:54 mtn: misuse: path 'packages/linux/linux-hackndev-2.6/palmz72' already exists, cannot create Jan 24 16:27:28 * koen|gprs wonders who expects 'mtn up' to work on a RO filesystem Jan 24 16:27:48 koen|gprs: r/w to monotone repository Jan 24 16:28:39 looks like I need to start using collections on some machines (the ones which I do not trust enough to keep mtn keys) Jan 24 16:29:05 zecke|away: It appears listtask isn't working, no :-/ Jan 24 16:29:20 mickeyl, let me need to know if they need someone to test the phone on a US network :) Jan 24 16:29:55 RP: because of the usage of 'task' varFlag? where do we want to keep track of things to fix? Jan 24 16:30:09 RP: howdy. did you get my tarball or was it too large? Jan 24 16:30:16 Crofton: :) Jan 24 16:30:20 Crofton|home: isn't US people wait for iphone rather? Jan 24 16:30:29 i have tested openzaurus opie/gpe but not satisfied at all. The programs crash and are very slow. Then is there a rom with a good package support, that supports my prism2 wifi,a good browser, that runs divx(?) ? I'm despered because i have tried all the openzaurus settings... but the important applications crash (vlc, gaim packet manager).. then, i'm not able to compile a distrubution is there one distro that a lot of you use ? Jan 24 16:31:15 cu Jan 24 16:31:23 alvises: we are in the wrong channel to discuss that, but... which device are you running it on and do you feel SharpROM is any faster? Jan 24 16:31:47 mickeyl: c3200 Jan 24 16:32:23 mickeyl: i deleted the sharpRom because was in jap. Jan 24 16:32:51 mickeyl: I got it thanks, just haven't had time to do anything once again :-/ Jan 24 16:33:04 RP: np, just was worried about whether it was stuck in a filter Jan 24 16:33:12 alvises: i would be surprised if the sharprom was any faster with its ancient kernel Jan 24 16:33:30 zecke|away: I guess a bug in the bugzilla would be the best bet. I haven't looked at why it fails, just confirmed it does... Jan 24 16:34:11 mickey1: hehe Jan 24 16:39:26 mickeyl: my eurostar ticket is booked now :-) Jan 24 16:40:14 oh.. hmm booking a flight :} Jan 24 16:40:22 hmm the secretary went home already :} Jan 24 16:40:33 pb_: excellent. the automatic reminder is now offline ;) Jan 24 16:41:49 hrw|gone: pong. URL? Jan 24 16:45:29 mickeyl: phew! Jan 24 16:45:52 I'll do my hotel later. Jan 24 16:46:03 cool. Jan 24 16:46:07 * mickeyl can't wait for FOSDEM Jan 24 16:46:10 hehe Jan 24 16:49:13 FOSDEM is after thesis defence which makes /me a very relaxed guy Jan 24 16:49:22 leffe for all Jan 24 16:49:22 ;) Jan 24 16:49:41 mickeyl: :) Jan 24 16:54:53 soonish Dr. Lauer :) Jan 24 16:56:26 * mickeyl ponders what to write on our doorbell panel Jan 24 16:56:27 Dr� Lauer Jan 24 16:56:39 sounds funny Jan 24 16:56:48 i guess no one knows the latin plural of Doctor anyway Jan 24 16:56:51 Dres. Jan 24 16:56:51 mickeyl: what is the last name of your wife? Jan 24 16:56:59 zecke: she took mine Jan 24 16:57:02 hehe :) Jan 24 16:57:04 Dres. Lauer Jan 24 16:57:08 funny Jan 24 16:57:11 yeyh Jan 24 16:57:13 yeah Jan 24 17:25:54 mickeyl: how about (Dr Lauer)^2 Jan 24 17:27:07 might be an option. on the other hand, it might be just to silly and would give the (false) impression that we really care about these things Jan 24 17:27:37 hrw|gone, mickeyl, RP - I updated psokolovsky 's patch for svn update to current 1.6.3 and attached it to bug 829 Jan 24 17:28:04 thanks slapin_nb Jan 24 17:28:05 mickeyl: kidding me? what was this blinkenlight doorbell idea about ;) Jan 24 17:28:09 just kidding Jan 24 17:28:12 heh Jan 24 17:28:12 slapin_nb, lol. but hrw did that already, he wrote here! anyway, let's have it tested. Jan 24 17:31:45 psokolovsky, I have built rootfs using it, so seems to work Jan 24 17:31:51 slapin_nb, actually no, wait 1min pls, I'll upload final version to test ;-) Jan 24 17:32:18 psokolovsky, what is wrong? Jan 24 17:32:18 slapin_nb, you checked that on a second build, it does just svn update? Jan 24 17:33:02 slapin_nb, well, hrw is maintainer, and he did some formatting changes, which cannot be just thrown away ;-) at the same time, he missed to kill some old code Jan 24 17:35:57 plus made few typos - I bet, just to make sure we catch them ;-) Jan 24 17:36:45 psokolovsky, what is wrong with svn update? Jan 24 17:37:17 slapin_nb, "slapin_nb, you checked that on a second build, it does just svn update?" Jan 24 17:38:23 psokolovsky, I see Jan 24 17:39:24 psokolovsky, btw, will you be able to update kernel-hackndev-2.6 in ~20-30 minutes? Jan 24 17:40:26 slapin_nb, you're very impatient ;-). no. I won't start with anything else before bitbake patch will be done. Jan 24 17:41:22 psokolovsky, I just hunting some ugly bug... sorry :) Jan 24 17:42:09 and me doing qa'ing ;-I Jan 24 17:43:26 psokolovsky: which is appreciated :) Jan 24 17:45:43 I could connect to that QA'ing btw :) Jan 24 17:52:47 hrw: "bb.note(1, "Update " + loc)" - bb.note doesn't accept loglevel - note is note. I assume it's ok to leave that as note (at least for few weeks ;-)), not convert to bb.debug(). Jan 24 17:59:25 psokolovsky: FWIW, bb.msg.note does take a loglevel. Jan 24 17:59:38 I can't remember is thats in 1.6 though... Jan 24 17:59:51 RP: ok, it doesn't in 1.6 ;-) Jan 24 18:00:33 slapin_nb, I posted final version of patch at #1367. please revert your local changes and test that one. Jan 24 18:01:27 ~lart Jan 24 18:02:36 hi all Jan 24 18:20:57 * XorA still doesnt think pulseaudio PROVIDES esound Jan 24 18:21:28 XorA: I already bought Krispy Kream Donuts for Koen Jan 24 18:21:52 (not really though... don't think we have them here) Jan 24 18:25:59 slapin_nb, any news on testing? Jan 24 18:26:53 psokolovsky, nothing broken yet. Jan 24 18:27:08 does bitbake recognizes when I change a defconfig file in the kernel directory or do I have to clean the already builded stuff? Jan 24 18:27:26 slapin_nb, well, we need to test not only that it doesn't break, but also that it works as expected ;-) Jan 24 18:27:59 mr_nice, the best way as usual is to bump PR ... But I myself usually -c rebuild Jan 24 18:28:43 psokolovsky: thx Jan 24 18:28:48 psokolovsky, I try to figure out why configure task was not run... Jan 24 18:29:35 slapin_nb, well, so can you first check that the svn fetcher patch works as it should? ;-) Jan 24 18:30:08 psokolovsky, it works (checks out, and updates). Jan 24 18:30:22 slapin_nb, ok, thanks! Jan 24 18:30:29 psokolovsky, I'm testing it in parallel Jan 24 18:31:18 slapin_nb, if you can post that on #1367, that would be appreciated. and I'll ping hrw to commit it today/tomorrow then. Jan 24 18:43:55 Hello Jan 24 18:56:43 how can I call a function by name in Python? Jan 24 18:56:57 I'd do $obj->$func() (or $func()) in PHP... Jan 24 18:57:33 I tried cmd = obj.func cmd(), but this doesn't seem to be working as expected... Jan 24 19:06:38 re Jan 24 19:06:49 JustinP, you mean, lookup function by name? because functions are first class in python anyway Jan 24 19:17:13 psokolovsky: anything that will let me call the function by variable would work Jan 24 19:17:52 psokolovsky: directly setting (as I would do in C) works with a simple example, but with obects I'm getting strange results. Jan 24 19:18:20 psokolovsky: I don't know if it's possible to call by name (is it?) something like cmd = "func" cmd() to call func() Jan 24 19:18:38 (rather, obj.cmd() to call obj.func()) Jan 24 19:18:55 I did a simple if/elif for now but that's not very elegant Jan 24 19:29:55 I have a question regarding versions in "DEPENDS". Is this still considered good form: DEPENDS = "dbus-0.23.4 ncurses" ? Jan 24 19:30:25 aside from the fact that none of the recipies in OE provide dbus-023.4 :) Jan 24 19:31:47 hmmm...I'm not sure...I know that ipkg supports versions but I don't know how OE/bb support them Jan 24 19:31:55 aha! getattr(obj, cmd)() Jan 24 19:32:44 hvontres|poodle: it "sort of" works Jan 24 19:35:39 koen|gprs_: I am trying to fix the gpsd.inc file, so I wanted to know if dbus-xxxx was prefered over just plain dbus and a sane distro Jan 24 19:35:48 RP: why doesn't the "PCM Volume" control in alsamixer have a mute option? Jan 24 19:45:13 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0e032f99... 10/ (1 packages/pulseaudio/pulseaudio_0.9.5.bb): pulseaudio: make it RPROVIDE esd to really make it a drop-in replacement for esound Jan 24 19:46:40 so is there a way for is to make that package the one that's *installed* over esd-gpe? I know there's PREFERRED_PROVIDER but that's for building.... Jan 24 19:47:07 RREPLACES + RCONFLICTS Jan 24 19:47:19 but I'm 200km from my devices to test it Jan 24 19:47:44 well...that works, but how do you *choose* which one? Jan 24 19:48:06 i.e. know for sure that ipkg is going to install pulse and not esound? I guess you make pulse the top thing on the list... Jan 24 19:48:31 that way it's installed and already providing the runtime dep so ipkg won't pull in esound-gpe accidentally Jan 24 19:50:20 * koen|gprs__ proposes to drop esd_.ipk from the feeds Jan 24 19:50:32 that's another way to do it Jan 24 19:50:49 so is pulseaudio better written or just smaller? Jan 24 19:50:58 * JustinP has come into the middle of this decision Jan 24 19:51:41 better written and it actually has developers Jan 24 19:51:51 ah, good stuff ;-) Jan 24 19:51:59 what do we have that uses esd? Jan 24 19:52:03 JustinP: http://0pointer.de/public/pulseaudio-presentation-lca2007.pdf Jan 24 19:52:58 koen|gprs__: so is dbus-(version) still ok or should we just use dbus and let the distro make sure it's sane? Jan 24 19:53:27 hvontres|poodle: only use dbus- if the app actually needs it Jan 24 19:53:43 I'd vote for patching gpsd to use dbus 1.0 api Jan 24 19:55:49 koen|gprs: I just built gpsd 2.34 against dbus-1.02 and it built. now I just need to dust off my gps unit :) I think the 0.23.4 version in the gpsd.inc is leftover from a while back. Jan 24 20:00:38 koen|gprs: looks nice :-) Jan 24 20:00:58 koen|gprs: I wonder if I can make mpd play nice with it Jan 24 20:02:26 koen|gprs: version I just added in OE has pulseaudio option :-) Jan 24 20:02:33 JustinP: did you solve the mpd problem? Jan 24 20:02:53 likewise: a slight change of plan for tomorrow Jan 24 20:03:05 likewise: let's meet at trafalgar at ~21.30 Jan 24 20:03:11 * koen|gprs has a late shift Jan 24 20:04:11 koen|gprs: ah yes, you told me earlier. Jan 24 20:04:27 I did kinda forget about it Jan 24 20:04:35 koen|gprs: me too. I suppose you have had a meal by then? Jan 24 20:04:41 yes Jan 24 20:05:05 koen|gprs: good. I won't be able to keep my hunger till then probably. Jan 24 20:08:06 koen|gprs: you're welcome at axon, but it getting more hectic by the day due to axon moving next week. Jan 24 20:08:18 likewise: some of them. mpd itself works fine for me now. Jan 24 20:08:43 likewise: I'm still getting build problems with mpc, though. Looks like libtool/auto* bugs.... Jan 24 20:08:50 likewise: I'll probably drop by next week Jan 24 20:09:28 likewise: and *fingers crossed* be in eindhoven on sunday with nynke Jan 24 20:14:01 JustinP: you solved the mpd 0.12.1 build? Jan 24 20:16:25 likewise: the release tarballs still break with autoreconf, but I comitted a svn bb. It builds fine Jan 24 20:16:51 likewise: so it's 0.12.1+svn20070120 Jan 24 20:16:57 mpd 0.12.1? horror Jan 24 20:17:01 horror? Jan 24 20:17:51 strange things is, their autogen.sh works but autoreconf breaks with "AC_DEFINE undefined". However, autoreconf works from that svn date.... Jan 24 20:19:59 zecke: care to comment? Jan 24 20:26:05 evening Jan 24 20:26:31 JustinP: http://svn.musicpd.org/log.php?repname=MPD&path=%2Fmpd%2Ftrunk%2Fconfigure.ac&rev=0&sc=0&isdir=0 Jan 24 20:26:43 hrw: good evening, everything fine? Jan 24 20:26:56 likewise: yes, why you ask? Jan 24 20:30:18 hrw: out of interest. Jan 24 20:30:25 Laibsch: http://zaz.air-nifty.com/blog/2007/01/linuxzaurus_1116.html and http://d.hatena.ne.jp/AllStarMoves/20070124/p4 Jan 24 20:31:30 someone bought something from ewayco.com? Jan 24 20:40:35 likewise: yes? any particular revision you wanted to highlight? Jan 24 20:42:02 JustinP: Its possible that particular channel doesn't have a mute I guess. XorA/lrg are the experts ;-) Jan 24 20:43:05 likewise: yeah, a bunch of patches since the 0.12.1 release... Jan 24 20:43:24 RP: strange that the main mixer wouldn't be able to mute, though... Jan 24 20:43:49 XorA|food: any reason why the PCM channel doesn't have a mute switch? (on spitz) Jan 24 20:44:41 JustinP: Hmm, I can't find the change that would make the build work. I'm stopping that effort and just try it on a device. Jan 24 20:49:34 likewise: yeah, it's not a worthwhile effort, what's in OE works fine (for me at least) Jan 24 20:49:53 likewise: are you using mpd as well? Jan 24 20:50:08 likewise: I don't suppose you have an audio remote..? Jan 24 20:50:51 JustinP: mpd on the EFIKA, I currently use Gnome Music Player Client on my desktop to remote control the efika. Jan 24 20:51:33 likewise: ah. :-) well, let me know how the mpd in head OE works for you. Jan 24 20:52:02 likewise: there are new versions of other things too (such as gmpc) Jan 24 20:52:18 likewise: and py-libmpdclient is nice :-) I combined that with gizmod and it works very well Jan 24 20:52:39 JustinP: yes, the head oe mpd works fine (now listening to the first song) Jan 24 20:53:10 cool Jan 24 20:54:47 JustinP: tnx for the effort, I recently fixed mpc but was unable to fix mpd 0.12.1 also Jan 24 20:56:12 likewise: you fixed mpc? well....it's not building for me.... Jan 24 20:56:56 likewise: I also checked in a new version Jan 24 20:56:58 JustinP: let me check then. Jan 24 20:57:23 likewise: I'm getting a preprocessor not sane error from configure Jan 24 20:57:41 likewise: looks like it's screwing up the creation of the .c file to test it as it has "Syntax Error" on the last line Jan 24 20:58:32 I'm going to try some .dev builds as well Jan 24 20:58:43 JustinP: ah, I'm on .dev all the time Jan 24 20:59:01 i remember mpc was missing -with-iconv-includes and the URL was broken. Jan 24 20:59:04 I think it was failing on .dev for me too...just making sure Jan 24 20:59:33 hrw: I updated the comment for the gpsd patch on #1806 to reflect the fact that it only removes the version on the dbus dependency. It seems gpsd has been updated to the 1.0 API Jan 24 20:59:45 JustinP: mpc 0.12.0 (.dev) builds fine Jan 24 21:00:02 ok....trying it myself... Jan 24 21:00:23 likewise: what distro are you using? Jan 24 21:00:33 JustinP: angstrom Jan 24 21:00:51 * JustinP nods Jan 24 21:01:01 probably a newer toolchain in angstrom that doesn't have the same problem Jan 24 21:01:21 * JustinP ughs Jan 24 21:01:29 hvontres|poodle: and you tested and it works? Jan 24 21:01:29 at least I have an installed version that works fine :-/ Jan 24 21:02:05 JustinP: what toolchain/distro are you on? Jan 24 21:02:30 hrw: gpsd builds, I need to fix my gps to fully test. I will try it with gpsfake on the way home tonight. Jan 24 21:03:01 likewise: it works for oz in .dev but not for oz in .oz354x Jan 24 21:03:15 hrw: fyi, i don't think gpsd is buildable in it's current state Jan 24 21:03:37 in either .dev or .oz354x Jan 24 21:03:38 hvontres|poodle: ok. will try to check it during next few days Jan 24 21:03:42 likewise: I really ought to start using angstrom to help stabilize it anyway.... Jan 24 21:03:47 hrw: thanks :) Jan 24 21:03:59