**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 23 02:59:57 2007 Feb 23 03:03:05 how do I go about using a different .config for the kernel in openembedded.. Feb 23 03:03:21 I can't find the package source that build the kernel-image package Feb 23 03:04:35 elliotf__: Look in org.openembedded.dev/packages/linux/ for the kernel .bb you're using.. there should be associated defconfig-machine files Feb 23 03:04:36 do I just tack kernel-module-tulip onto RDEPENDS? Feb 23 03:04:59 NAbyss, thanks, I saw that, but can't figure out which one I'm using.. I'm using conf/distro/generic.conf Feb 23 03:05:01 on x86 Feb 23 03:05:13 how do I determine which one was used to build the package? Feb 23 03:05:26 If you just want to add files to the image (and they're already being compiled as modules).. just do that to the image .bb - RDEPENDS += "kernel-module-foo" Feb 23 03:05:48 thanks, I'll give that a go Feb 23 03:09:16 NAbyss, it looks like the package namespace for kernel modules is flat... Feb 23 03:09:30 nm, I'll just try it. Feb 23 03:09:47 The second one is pretty fun. Feb 23 03:18:50 what do I need to bitback in order to get the kernel image?? Feb 23 03:18:59 or do I need to bootstrap-image? Feb 23 03:24:21 blegh, trying bootstrap-image again Feb 23 03:25:00 I see that there is a '.../classes/kernel.bbclass' but that doesn't seem to help. Feb 23 03:51:30 found it. Feb 23 03:52:16 as you said, there is a '.../packages/linux/linux-x86-2.6.17.9/defconfig' Feb 23 05:59:20 mickey|zzZZzz: Congratulatoins on a succesfull defese :) Feb 23 06:51:12 morning all Feb 23 06:56:18 morning all Feb 23 07:12:12 OMG PYTHON NEEDS X11!!!!!! Feb 23 07:12:18 oh, wait Feb 23 07:12:27 build time dep, not runtime dep Feb 23 07:12:58 koen: have you been hanging out with the script kiddies again ??? Feb 23 07:13:05 Yeah Feb 23 07:13:29 hvontres|home: http://xkcd.com/c227.html Feb 23 07:15:42 koen: hehe.. already saw it... I have xkcd on rss, along with ctrl-alt-del and Questionable content :) Feb 23 07:16:01 :) Feb 23 07:16:18 I have a QC poster on my toilet Feb 23 07:16:40 http://www.questionablecontent.net/shirts/goodpoopin.png <- that one Feb 23 07:17:02 koen: The only problem was that I got busted at work the first day I found it... 3 years is a lot of comics Feb 23 07:17:14 heh Feb 23 07:18:36 koen: say hi to the gang tonight :) especialy "Dr" Lauer :) Feb 23 07:20:10 he made it? Feb 23 07:20:46 http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/02/22/offence-is-the-best-defence/ Feb 23 07:21:30 koen: He still needs to get published to make it official, but apperently he survived :) Feb 23 07:22:40 koen : well, have fun in brussels. I need to go pack for my Vegas trip tomorrow. Feb 23 07:22:52 have fun in vegas Feb 23 07:29:56 koen: Sure. I'll be sparring in my first Taekwondo Tournament. The good news is all my opponents will be old geezer beginners like me :) Feb 23 07:30:36 don't forget to wear the chest protector Feb 23 07:31:08 koen: hehe..np. And my CUP :) Feb 23 07:31:21 right :) Feb 23 07:31:39 I learned that the hard way Feb 23 07:31:55 How far did you get? Feb 23 07:32:07 brown belt in shotokan karate Feb 23 07:33:03 Not bad... I'm a Camo belt (4th rank up from the bottom) right now. Should actually be nice not to be sparring those old Black belts for a change. Feb 23 07:41:56 gm Feb 23 07:42:08 n8 Feb 23 07:45:10 koen: packed? Feb 23 07:45:43 koen: python for angstrom/i686 needs rebuilding Feb 23 07:51:00 hrw|gone: almost packed Feb 23 07:51:22 koen: gpe is running on progear so we will have something to show Feb 23 07:51:29 ah, cool Feb 23 07:51:33 too bad that gtk/glib situation in angstrom is too fscked Feb 23 07:51:51 I wonder what happened Feb 23 07:52:04 gpe-scap does not work locally Feb 23 07:52:49 fluxbox fails ;( Feb 23 07:53:48 and matchbox is not so nice on xga Feb 23 07:55:52 cu @fosdem Feb 23 07:59:14 can someone bring loudspeakers to the fosdem? Feb 23 08:02:09 sorry, no Feb 23 08:04:52 koen: when is florian going to leave? Feb 23 08:05:14 koen: I have a set of passive speakers, but well they are passive Feb 23 08:06:09 no idea Feb 23 08:45:23 cheers guys Feb 23 08:48:00 LuckyBastard: congrats! Feb 23 08:48:06 :D Feb 23 08:48:07 thanks! Feb 23 08:48:11 thanks also for the SMS Feb 23 08:48:53 I was getting a bit worried yesterday when we didn't hear anything Feb 23 08:49:07 LuckyBastard: congratulations from Nynke as well Feb 23 08:49:14 thanks and greetings back! Feb 23 08:49:30 lo all Feb 23 08:49:40 defence took until 16:00 and then we went downstairs to party for some hours Feb 23 08:49:47 i guess you did ok then mickeyl, congratulations Feb 23 08:49:57 ade|desk: yep, thanks :) Feb 23 08:50:44 mickeyl: is your thesis online as a dvi or such ? Feb 23 08:51:32 ade|desk: I'll submit it for publication once I'm back from FOSDEM and then I'll upload it to my site as well Feb 23 08:51:33 * koen will arrive 18:16 at the central station in brussels Feb 23 08:51:45 mickeyl: cool :) Feb 23 08:51:50 i fancy a good read Feb 23 08:51:53 good. Dirk, Holger, Marcin, and me will be in the Astrid ~19:00 Feb 23 08:52:09 ade|desk: if can handle german, then absolutely, yes ;) Feb 23 08:52:14 cheers liam Feb 23 08:52:32 mickeyl: congrats Feb 23 08:52:37 mickeyl: iirc marcin will be at the station at 18:30 Feb 23 08:52:37 thanks Dirk :)) Feb 23 08:52:45 hi Liam Feb 23 08:52:54 hey Dirk & Liam Feb 23 08:53:00 koen: hmm he talked about being at the airport at 18.30 Feb 23 08:53:07 mickeyl: doh, i guess i'll need to read it at a friend's house Feb 23 08:53:07 mickeyl: do you got my mail? Feb 23 08:53:08 mickeyl: ah, that makes sense Feb 23 08:53:11 hi Koen Feb 23 08:53:14 do13: yep. answered already. Feb 23 08:53:41 do13: in short, i propose meeting @ 16:00 in B/LH Quick Check. if we don't immediately see each other, just phone Feb 23 08:53:45 mickeyl: I'll head to the astrid, checking, dump bags and read a book in the lobby Feb 23 08:53:47 do13: 0177 261 64 64 is mine Feb 23 08:54:05 s/checking/check in/ Feb 23 08:54:07 koen: ok, cool. meet ya there and then we can wander to the Roy Feb 23 08:54:24 mickeyl: ok Feb 23 08:54:42 with a stop at the döner shop :) Feb 23 08:55:26 sounds like a plan! Feb 23 08:55:50 mickeyl: time to change your mail signature: Dr ... :-) Feb 23 08:56:00 do13: hehe. unfortunately the thing is... Feb 23 08:56:19 until yesterday i was obliged to say "no sorry i am not" if someone called me Dr. Feb 23 08:56:26 since yesterday i no longer need to deny it, _but_ Feb 23 08:56:31 i'm not yet allowed to call myself Feb 23 08:56:36 laws *sigh* Feb 23 08:57:00 after publication and reception of the certificate, i can do that Feb 23 08:58:31 mickeyl: can we abuse a part of sunday night/monday morning to discuss merging moko svn and oe ? Feb 23 08:59:11 * koen hopes for a cairo 1.4 release this weekend Feb 23 08:59:53 koen: sure thing Feb 23 09:01:32 mickeyl: congratulations :D Feb 23 09:01:38 thanks :)) Feb 23 09:02:18 adrenalin is slowly getting out of my body Feb 23 09:02:42 mickeyl: I'll bet :) Feb 23 09:03:02 time to replace it with alcohol perhaps :) Feb 23 09:03:05 hehe Feb 23 09:03:11 i would if i was feeling 100% healthy Feb 23 09:03:23 due to the stress i think i catched a bit of a cold which is developing atm. Feb 23 09:03:28 doh Feb 23 09:03:29 so i need to be a bit careful with Leffe Brun Feb 23 09:04:25 but it's ok. nothing can really annoy me atm. :) Feb 23 09:05:09 :) Feb 23 09:07:41 * mickeyl checks weather forecast for BRU Feb 23 09:07:48 Congrats mickeyl! Hope you'll have more time for OpenMoko and other cool stuff now ;-) Feb 23 09:08:27 psokolovsky: thanks. Absolutely, yes. March will be a tough month for me since I have an additional 4 week contract w/ non-OpenMoko stuff, but other than that I'm devoted to turning all this into a kick-ass platform now Feb 23 09:08:55 can't wait to pick up stuff like EFL++ and Angstrom again Feb 23 09:09:07 and also the OE Frontend stuff Feb 23 09:09:07 ah that reminds me Feb 23 09:09:24 RP: any chance we can demo ncurses-bitbake? Feb 23 09:16:53 I can demo a cursing bitbake Feb 23 09:17:24 hehehe Feb 23 09:17:29 that's not the same Feb 23 09:19:47 koen : just do it N-tuple like cursing Feb 23 09:21:51 note to self: Do not encourage people from India to be lazy when propagandizing OE on L-A-K Feb 23 09:21:52 Tourette esk perhaps Feb 23 10:27:19 morning Feb 23 10:29:29 bbl Feb 23 10:55:31 god departure lounges are boring Feb 23 10:57:14 and uncomfortable Feb 23 10:59:16 koen : just noticed something in the feed scripts. from the split.sh machine efika is not defined when remove the machine files Feb 23 11:00:47 * XorA|gprs signs offf in hope plane arrives Feb 23 11:21:00 hi Feb 23 12:01:56 gnuplot has a cairo terminal, sweet Feb 23 12:02:15 * koen|train tries to find out how to make svg plots Feb 23 12:02:16 Koen: you are in the train already :) Feb 23 12:02:26 gerwinin: yes Feb 23 12:02:43 Koen: I will be driving with Likewise Feb 23 12:03:08 Koen: I think we will arrive around 8 Feb 23 12:03:38 Koen: Are you on gprs or something ? Feb 23 12:03:47 EDGE to be exact Feb 23 12:04:04 Koen : Awesome :) Feb 23 12:06:19 mickeyl: ping Feb 23 12:11:28 pöng Feb 23 12:11:50 do13_: at your service Feb 23 12:12:57 mickeyl: http://www.hr-online.de/website/rubriken/nachrichten/stau_info2336.jsp?rubrik=2336&strasse=A5 Feb 23 12:13:08 mickeyl: Umleitung yes or no? Feb 23 12:13:29 Umleitung yes Feb 23 12:13:44 it's not much of a loss via 661 and 3 Feb 23 12:13:52 and less prone get a Stau Feb 23 12:13:54 traffice jam, even Feb 23 12:14:00 mickeyl: thx Feb 23 12:14:02 np Feb 23 12:14:07 later Feb 23 12:15:41 Wow, the irssi package is a torn-personality Feb 23 12:15:45 ... Feb 23 12:16:15 It states glib-1.2 in DEPENDS, and then has "--with-glib2" in EXTRA_OECONF Feb 23 12:16:20 So, which will it be? Feb 23 12:16:45 Oh, and "--without-glib1" Feb 23 12:17:00 So I guess a change in DEPENDS is in order? Feb 23 12:28:17 MickeyL : go via ternat Feb 23 12:28:36 En don't go via 't Welriekende dreef :) Feb 23 12:32:14 we're flying anyway Feb 23 12:32:33 i don't think i have a chance to influence the course Feb 23 12:34:46 mickeyl lucky you Feb 23 12:34:51 hehe Feb 23 12:34:57 Mickeyl : we are comming by car Feb 23 12:35:09 Mickeyl : Are you guys going to the beer event ? Feb 23 12:35:19 you bet Feb 23 12:35:30 we'll be there ~ 20:00 or so Feb 23 12:35:54 For me it is very funny I am already with oe for three or four years but never met you or zecke in realitiy Feb 23 12:36:34 :) and now I am gonna see all of you guys Feb 23 12:40:34 hehe, yeah, that's cool Feb 23 12:41:21 * mickeyl starts packing Feb 23 12:41:26 cya in a couple of hours Feb 23 12:53:40 FOSDEM, eh? Feb 23 12:53:43 :) Feb 23 13:03:51 gibbon_: hello:) Feb 23 13:03:53 sorry:) Feb 23 13:58:09 re Feb 23 14:13:11 question... for example, I am developing some software for my embedded board, so I constantly change something and want to recompile and test on the target; there of course it is not really convenient to make a tar or whatever and bitbake the .bb file each time Feb 23 14:13:32 is there any "dev" mode, that would autoreconf the package for my machine/distro and allow me to work directly, without bitbaking each time? Feb 23 14:14:15 Jin^eLD, that's how bitbake works anyway Feb 23 14:14:33 huh? Feb 23 14:14:44 Not really afaik.. The crosscompiler is setup in the environment too Feb 23 14:14:55 hmm Feb 23 14:15:16 would be nice to somehow be able to inherit the environment in a shell or something Feb 23 14:15:20 Jin^eLD, bitbake doesn't buidl anything. it prepares execution plan in the form of shell script and just runs it. Feb 23 14:15:29 You may be able to hack up a makefile, but it's not directly supported as far as I know Feb 23 14:15:42 Jin^eLD, you can run it too. learn what's inside your tmp/work/ Feb 23 14:16:00 I thought about that, the problem with tmp/work is that it gets wiped out so easily Feb 23 14:16:21 Jin^eLD, only by your command Feb 23 14:16:38 usually if you checked out from svn, then you work with your local copy and want to test it.. and once you are sure it works you commit the changes Feb 23 14:16:47 Copy it elsewhere? Chattr =iuS? Feb 23 14:17:14 so instead of working directly in tmp/work it would be cool to point to some other place Feb 23 14:17:35 Jin^eLD, well, development and hacking/patching are different things. you can do the seconf with OE pretty easily. as for 1st, YMMV Feb 23 14:17:51 well thats the thing.. Feb 23 14:18:02 can I specify a specific version of a package in DISTRO_EXTRA_RDEPENDS? I tried adding package-1.2.3, but that failed Feb 23 14:18:41 xumbi: I think it's PREFERRED_VERSION_package="1.2.3" Feb 23 14:18:43 Try using package = 1.2.3 Feb 23 14:19:07 Jin^eLD: ah, right, I thought it might be something like that Feb 23 14:19:25 ...and then the ...RDEPENDS += package should take the version you want.. Feb 23 14:19:42 anyway.. well, how do you guys develop stuff? Feb 23 14:20:02 there was one approach, but it used scons which I do not like Feb 23 14:20:12 there the script pointed to the OE cross dir for the compiler, and to the staging dir Feb 23 14:20:23 and you could basically run "scons" each time and develop in any directory Feb 23 14:20:25 so it was handy.. Feb 23 14:20:41 basically I am looking for something similar, but using autotools Feb 23 14:21:01 and since OE already has much of it in place I was figuring that there was maybe a way to use it for dev too Feb 23 14:57:45 hi there Feb 23 14:59:37 oh, wait, I see this is not the apriopriate place for my question.. Feb 23 15:00:50 morning Feb 23 15:24:06 hey CosmicPenguin Feb 23 15:24:21 * lrg is now at FOSDEM Feb 23 15:25:12 fun Feb 23 15:26:57 I've been looking at the files in the -dbg packages and have noticied the files are smaller in the -dbg than in the regular package. I guess I had assumed the -dbg was the libs with the symbol files compiled in and would expect them to be larger not smaller. Feb 23 15:27:09 I obviously am not - you people need to buy more AMD processors.. :) Feb 23 15:27:11 * chouimat wonders how they come up with such name for a kernel : Homicidal Dwarf Hamster Feb 23 15:28:12 what is really in the -dbg files then? Feb 23 15:28:53 Gerrath: only the debug symbol they stripped the executable code iirc Feb 23 15:29:22 chouimat that is what I thought.. so if your using gdb is there some way to combine the files back together? Feb 23 15:30:26 Gerrath: don't know never used this Feb 23 15:31:03 chouimat, niether have I but I'm trying to support an app programmer who wants to use gdb on our embedded system :-/ Feb 23 15:31:19 Gerrath: look at the runstrip() function in package.bbclass. As far as I know, gdb looks for the debug information in .debug/foo automatically. Feb 23 15:31:26 I don't know how to put them back together, either. Feb 23 15:36:33 Gerrath: if I understand correctly you don't need to because the executable contain a point to the debug symbol file (I can be wrong on this one) Feb 23 15:41:01 chouimat: you are right, the objcopy --add-gnu-debuglink takes care of this Feb 23 15:41:57 pH5: thanks you just made my day better ... it's fun to have a nice comment once in a while ;) Feb 23 15:52:24 hi Feb 23 15:53:30 does anybody know how to erase the bad block table from a nand using the u-boot prompt? i want the manufacturer's table left in tact, but i reckon it's been misidentifying some of the blocks on my nand as bad when i've been fiddling Feb 23 16:18:51 Hi, I'm trying to build for mipsel, build fails with "configure: error: compiler support for __thread is required" when trying to build glibc-intermediate-2.5 - does anyone have any hints? Feb 23 16:46:39 Hello. When building angstrom-gpe-image, I received a QA issue when attempting to install udev_092 Feb 23 16:47:35 The error is ERROR: QA issue: libvolume_id.pc failed sanity test (reference to /usr/include or workdir) Feb 23 16:48:07 This is based on the dev branch which I downloaded yesterday morning Feb 23 17:12:40 I found a similar bug in the bugtracker (1884)... i guess its a known issue. I'll just use the work around Feb 23 17:18:39 so, everybody on their way to FOSDEM? Feb 23 17:25:21 I'd really like to.. but not going :( Feb 23 17:25:30 where is FOSDEM? Feb 23 17:28:49 I think in Belgium Feb 23 17:36:43 can I add something to a bitbake file to cause something to be built statically? Feb 23 17:45:34 Zero_Chaos: I guess that depends on what kind of stuff it is, you could try to add -static to cxx/cflags Feb 23 17:46:15 would that allow something to work across multiple glibc versions? Feb 23 17:46:34 uhh.. I think no Feb 23 17:46:47 I never tried Feb 23 17:46:56 well, I guess I do not know for sure :) Feb 23 17:47:04 but if compiled statically it shouldn't require the host system to have the same glibc just the same arch Feb 23 17:47:12 if I am not mistaken Feb 23 17:47:54 I am not sure; I have a vague memory that there was something glibc related even with static stuff, but I may be wrong Feb 23 17:48:41 but adding -static to flags should make it static? that simple? Feb 23 17:49:17 actually yes; but you of course have to be sure that you have all appropriate static libraries you want to link against Feb 23 17:49:18 .a stuff Feb 23 17:50:11 and to prevent stripping? Feb 23 17:51:00 hmm Feb 23 17:51:27 I think I did compile a static package once, I do not remember that I did anything related to stripping Feb 23 17:52:42 oe auto-strips Feb 23 17:52:46 I want to stop that Feb 23 17:52:58 sorry, no idea how to prevent that Feb 23 17:53:33 Jin^eLD: thanks for the static idea. I'll wait for someone else for stripping Feb 23 17:54:29 np Feb 23 17:54:34 Anyone can tell me how to prevent oe from stripping the compile program? Feb 23 17:58:27 okay, can I make a specific .bb build against uclibc instead of the normal glibc? Feb 23 18:01:20 will adding TARGET_OS to the .bb do it? Feb 23 18:04:01 stripping static binaries is fine Feb 23 18:04:31 i've built loads of static binaries which are stripped and they work perfectly :) Feb 23 18:04:33 Orkie: I figured that out, but static linking against glibc is big, I want to uclibc a specific package Feb 23 18:05:04 uclibc programs always segfaults for me... Feb 23 18:05:53 that isn't an issue with the program I am using Feb 23 18:21:57 is gthread a good library for coding multithreaded apps? Feb 23 18:28:54 VoodooZ: I've been pretty happy with glib in general. Provides lots of useful stuff. Feb 23 18:29:09 VoodooZ: I like the queues for inter thread communication. Feb 23 18:29:51 VoodooZ: maybe you are not talking about glib ... Feb 23 18:33:36 cbrake: beware of glibc atomic stuff, it compiles for arm but it does not work correctly there Feb 23 18:33:47 aem Feb 23 18:33:48 not glibc Feb 23 18:33:49 glib I mean Feb 23 18:36:57 cbrake: I'm not sure actually, I'm just wondering what people use for coding multi-threaded apps. Isn't glib for graphics??? Feb 23 18:37:20 yeah Feb 23 18:37:25 ok. Feb 23 18:37:37 So is gthread a high-level threading lib then? Feb 23 18:37:46 no clue Feb 23 18:37:52 google didn Feb 23 18:37:59 google wasn't clear. Feb 23 18:42:31 Jin^eLD: good to know -- we have not had any problems with async queues, but we should probably test. Feb 23 18:42:49 cbrake: I figured that out when we were looking for atomic code, we needed it for our reference counting Feb 23 18:43:16 koen : have a look at this -> http://rafb.net/p/PspO3o25.html Feb 23 18:43:18 VoodooZ: glib does not have any graphical components -- it is a general purpose utility app. I would definitely consider using it on any system -- GUI or not. Feb 23 18:44:02 koen : its from a clean build of angstrom Feb 23 18:44:03 VoodooZ: take a look at the API, and you pretty quickly get an idea: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/glib/index.html Feb 23 18:47:22 VoodooZ: IOChannels in glib are also pretty neat: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/8545 Feb 23 19:16:42 cbrake: cool. thanks. I'll use it for my robot code then... Feb 23 19:19:18 do you know if glib takes advantage of NPTL and/or linuxthreads? Feb 23 19:22:19 VoodooZ: I assume it sits on top of NPTL/linuxthreads, but never walked the code. Feb 23 19:27:04 yeah, I guess it's a good thing as it will obfuscate away the implementation details this way my code will work the same once I move to NPTL Feb 23 19:32:00 VoodooZ: I think the api for NPTL/linuxthreads is the same, just the implementation under the hood is different. But, I've not coded much at that level. Feb 23 19:34:24 ok. I'll keep reading.. Thanks. Feb 23 20:19:18 gn Feb 23 21:41:06 03erik 07org.oe.dev * r712872c5... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Feb 23 21:41:06 dropbear 0.49: Version bump Feb 23 21:41:06 * A new release of dropbear is available. Feb 23 21:41:06 + New port and IP address binding feature Feb 23 21:41:06 + Coverity Prevent scan fixing Feb 23 21:41:06 + Klocwork scan fixing Feb 23 21:41:08 + Various other fixes and features Feb 23 22:49:46 hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Feb 24 02:59:58 2007