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Apr 21 03:07:09 <CIA-11> 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * r6ab68f83... 10/ (1 packages/iptstate packages/iptstate/iptstate_2.2.1.bb): 
Apr 21 03:07:09 <CIA-11> iptstate: Add iptstate, which is a top-like interface to the
Apr 21 03:07:09 <CIA-11> netfilter connection-tracking table.
Apr 21 03:16:08 <CIA-11> 03lenehan 07org.oe.dev * rf29270c9... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): 
Apr 21 03:16:08 <CIA-11> perl: Move the list of rprovides for backward compatiblity into a seperate
Apr 21 03:16:08 <CIA-11> .inc file and include it in the two recipes that need the list.
Apr 21 08:58:33 <cedricb> ~seen RP
Apr 21 08:59:05 <ibot> rp is currently on #oe (21h 40m 40s) #openmoko (21h 40m 40s) #openzaurus (21h 40m 40s) #handhelds.org (21h 40m 40s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 19h 2m 9s, last said: 'lrg: I'm going to have to at some point. Not enough space here :/'.
Apr 21 09:00:28 <Zero_Chaos> ~emulate stewie
Apr 21 09:00:39 <ibot> It's like an orgy in my mouth!
Apr 21 09:11:34 <CIA-11> 03tmbinc 07org.oe.dreambox * rc920dc59... 10/ (1 packages/enigma/enigma/opendreambox/userbouquet.33fc5.tv): enigma: update default user bouquet
Apr 21 10:15:15 <mrdata> hi all, any hint where i can download bitbake-1.8.0.tar.gz other than from http://prdownload.berlios.de/bitbake/bitbake-1.8.0.tar.gz
Apr 21 10:15:45 <mrdata> also svn.berlios.de are not responding
Apr 21 10:16:23 <putumutukas> can someone tell me how can i make kernel-image.ipk to a image i can load into flash ?
Apr 21 10:16:50 <putumutukas> for omap 5912
Apr 21 10:17:30 <putumutukas> or can i build a flashable image ?
Apr 21 11:32:45 <mrdata> question: while building glibc-2.5-r5 some instructions have // in there line
Apr 21 11:33:49 <mrdata> for example in ru.do_compile -> in function autotools_stage_includes()
Apr 21 11:34:12 <mrdata> cp -pPR /stuff/build/tmp/work/arm-oabi-angstrom-linux/glibc-2.5-r5/temp-staging//usr/include/* /stuff/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux/include
Apr 21 11:34:53 <mrdata> is this /temp-staging//usr/include/ realy okay ???
Apr 21 11:51:37 <psokolovsky> mrdata: it is. for details, read POSIX (or SUSV2) spec - any number of '/' in the middle of path is equiavalent to single one.
Apr 21 11:57:51 <mrdata> psokolovsky: okay, and thanks for that info
Apr 21 13:07:53 <Laibsch> !oebug 909
Apr 21 13:07:55 <cdbot2> * * Bug 909, Status: NEW, Created: 2006-04-26 10:25
Apr 21 13:07:56 <cdbot2> * * antti.andreimann(AT)mail.ee: Add glibc 2.3.6
Apr 21 13:07:57 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=909
Apr 21 13:08:12 <Laibsch> Is that one still relevant?  We have glibc 2.4 and 2.5 in now.
Apr 21 13:15:17 <koen> dunno
Apr 21 13:15:26 <koen> some people have a fetish for old software
Apr 21 13:15:32 <koen> like kernel 2.4 and gcc 2.95.3
Apr 21 13:18:04 * koen heads to the airport
Apr 21 13:26:16 <Laibsch> I closed it
Apr 21 13:36:04 <chouimat> morning
Apr 21 15:32:54 <goxboxlive> koen: are you here?
Apr 21 15:40:14 <Kristoffer> Any spitz (zaurus sl-c3200) gurus here?..got a kernel question
Apr 21 15:44:18 <Kristoffer> hrw|gone wake?
Apr 21 15:57:40 <Kristoffer> RP, you there man? Trying to compile 2.6.20.8 vanilla on my zaurus :D
Apr 21 16:30:36 <Kristoffer> Anyone got a working 2.6.20 spitz kernel?
Apr 21 17:17:03 <Kristoffer> RP there?
Apr 21 17:49:10 <hrw> morning
Apr 21 17:49:22 <sirfred> Morning hrw
Apr 21 17:49:56 <woglinde> hi hrw
Apr 21 17:51:47 <hrw> ~seen ph5
Apr 21 17:51:58 <ibot> ph5 <n=ph5@e178220192.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 1d 3h 14m 17s ago, saying: 'hrw: yes, currently it's only libavahi-ui that introduces the gtk+ dependency, and it is not used by anything else yet.'.
Apr 21 17:52:23 * hrw bought two Sandra latest albums today
Apr 21 17:56:40 <hrw> joke:
Apr 21 17:56:51 <hrw> While redecorating a church, three nuns become extremely hot and sweaty in their habits, so Mother Superior says, "Let's take our clothes off, and work naked." The other two nuns disapprove, and ask, "What if someone sees us?" But the Mother Superior says, "Don't worry, no one will see us, we'll just lock the door." So the other nuns agree, strip down and return to work.
Apr 21 17:57:01 <hrw> Suddenly, they hear a knock at the door, and grab their clothes in a panic. Mother Superior runs to the door and calls through, "Who is it?" "Blind man," a man's voice comes back. So she opens the door, and lets in the blind man, who turns to the nuns and says, "Great tits, ladies, now where do you want these blinds?"
Apr 21 18:30:36 <Kristoffer|afk> hrw you got a spitz?
Apr 21 18:38:46 <likewise> what is a known-working uclibc distro?
Apr 21 18:39:17 <NAiL> in oe? none atm afaik
Apr 21 18:41:52 <mrdata> woglinde: hi
Apr 21 18:42:03 <woglinde> hi mrdata
Apr 21 18:42:49 <mrdata> woglinde: can you help me to get bitbake >1.8.0; berlios is down for now
Apr 21 18:42:59 <woglinde> oh
Apr 21 18:43:01 <mrdata> woglinde: or =1.8.0
Apr 21 18:43:08 <woglinde> yes i can tar it
Apr 21 18:43:10 <woglinde> mom
Apr 21 18:44:16 <CoreDump|home> is jabber offline for anyone else here?
Apr 21 18:44:49 <hrw> Kristoffer: I had OE one - now laibsch have it
Apr 21 18:44:54 <hrw> CoreDump|home: jabber.org? 
Apr 21 18:45:01 <hrw> CoreDump|home: off for me
Apr 21 18:45:07 <CoreDump|home> hrw: thanks
Apr 21 18:45:21 <hrw> Kristoffer: how kernel fails for you?
Apr 21 18:46:40 <Kristoffer> hrw I built a kernel (2.6.20.8) from within my spitz with defconfig for spitz. Moved it into my SD card with updater.sh, it got written properly, but after that Im unable to boot my spitz. I can get into the menu to try and write again, but nothing happens
Apr 21 18:47:16 <Kristoffer> hrw Cant get into the "rescue" mode either (B + D) .. 
Apr 21 18:48:21 <Kristoffer> hrw Im almost ready to do a factory reset on it. But would rather not, since I got a working armedslack (slackware for arm) on it.
Apr 21 18:48:44 <hrw> Kristoffer: you have original cf card in spitz?
Apr 21 18:49:12 <Kristoffer> hrw how you mean original cf card..? Its just a 2GB sandisk card.
Apr 21 18:49:29 <hrw> Kristoffer: microdrive one
Apr 21 18:49:46 <Kristoffer> hrw spitz = sl-c3200 ?
Apr 21 18:50:03 <Kristoffer> Its got 6GB microdrive builtin
Apr 21 18:50:29 <hrw> Kristoffer: I know. you did not replaced it with other? (want to be sure)
Apr 21 18:50:54 <Kristoffer> nopie, havent replaced any hardware parts
Apr 21 18:51:20 <Kristoffer> Ive done upgrades in the past, but never with a "own" built kernel. 
Apr 21 18:51:53 <Kristoffer> Been trying to get a OZ 2.6.16 on it, but after pressing the Y button in the menu, nothing happens.
Apr 21 18:51:55 <hrw> strange
Apr 21 18:52:10 <hrw> w8 - 2GB sandisk?
Apr 21 18:52:16 <Kristoffer> yeah
Apr 21 18:52:20 <hrw> did you flashed Zaurus with it before?
Apr 21 18:52:34 <Kristoffer> nopie, not that. Used a 1GB SD before
Apr 21 18:53:05 <hrw> then try with 1GB
Apr 21 18:53:18 <Kristoffer> Oki, I'll give that a try one sec
Apr 21 18:53:23 <hrw> I am not sure does rescue rootfs supports cards larger then 1GB
Apr 21 18:55:21 <Kristoffer> hrw tried to flash on a new kernel with SD 1GB card, but same result. I press <OK> + Power on switch, gets me to menu, select item 4 + SD + YES and then just black screen. Usually it starts and shows the updater.sh script installing the new kernel.
Apr 21 18:55:37 <Kristoffer> hrw any known issues when doing this from a windows machine (writing CF/SD cards I mean)?
Apr 21 18:56:20 <hrw> first time heard about such behaviour
Apr 21 18:58:09 <Kristoffer> hrw same for me, feels really weird. And not sure what the best approach would be. Factory reset isnt pretty
Apr 21 19:00:14 <hrw> Offtopic: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7352118104883452737
Apr 21 19:00:37 <hrw> Kristoffer: boot into rescue and check does it recognize card and can list content/read files from it
Apr 21 19:13:00 <Kristoffer> hrw having a hard time getting into rescue mode... :(
Apr 21 19:16:44 <hrw> Kristoffer: reboot with D B keys hold
Apr 21 19:16:48 <hrw> or D M
Apr 21 19:19:07 <Kristoffer> The screen just flashes, then nothing. Same with DB
Apr 21 19:19:21 <Kristoffer> Only able to access the "flash" menu
Apr 21 19:20:04 <Kristoffer> eh wait
Apr 21 19:20:10 <Kristoffer> just got into SERVICE menu
Apr 21 19:21:47 <hrw> my husky discharged
Apr 21 19:22:37 <mrdata> woglinde: any problems with tar bitbake ?
Apr 21 19:22:53 <woglinde> mrdata?
Apr 21 19:22:57 <woglinde> look at your query
Apr 21 19:23:09 <woglinde> http://page.mi.fu-berlin.de/~Heinold/bitbake-1.8.tar.bz2
Apr 21 19:23:28 <mrdata> woglinde: sorry i have not get a query
Apr 21 19:23:37 <woglinde> ah right
Apr 21 19:23:38 <woglinde> my fault
Apr 21 19:23:39 <mrdata> woglinde: and thanks
Apr 21 19:23:46 <woglinde> didnt call nockserv
Apr 21 19:23:53 <woglinde> nickserv
Apr 21 19:24:07 <Kristoffer> hrw got into Service menu, no idea what good that will do
Apr 21 19:24:18 <mrdata> woglinde: no problem, i try to get this file since morning
Apr 21 19:28:35 <hrw> shit.. I forgot how to enter rescue ;(
Apr 21 19:30:18 <Kristoffer> hrw Seems to recall there was some miss, the last time I tried it. Btw, no when I try to flash a new kernel It gives me some error in Japanese :D Currently I got zImage.bin, updater.sh and gnu-tar on the CF card
Apr 21 19:30:41 <Kristoffer> Thinking about doing a factory reset on it
Apr 21 19:32:37 <hrw> moment..
Apr 21 19:32:43 <hrw> Kristoffer: you have AC connected?
Apr 21 19:32:45 <Kristoffer> hrw oki
Apr 21 19:32:57 <likewise> What's the way to have FILESPATH include the architecture as a directory to search for file:// SRC_URI's?
Apr 21 19:32:59 <Kristoffer> not currently, ah... doh. That explains the new error
Apr 21 19:33:09 <hrw> Kristoffer: flashing REQ ac connected
Apr 21 19:33:21 <hrw> likewise: it add it automatically
Apr 21 19:33:29 <hrw> likewise: its OVERRIDES stuff
Apr 21 19:33:52 <Kristoffer> hrw Yeah, got rid of the error. But still same result, replaced all files on SD card but it still only gives me a blank screen.
Apr 21 19:34:01 <likewise> hrw: hmm, uclibc-0.9.28 does not seem to do that for me. Biilding nano for MACHINE="x86" DISTRO="generic-uclibc"
Apr 21 19:35:06 <hrw> likewise: bitbake -e -b recipe|grep FILESPATH
Apr 21 19:38:21 <likewise> hrw: I already tried that but without -b <recipe> and <bitbake target> instead. Stupid of me. Thanks for the tip.
Apr 21 19:38:49 <hrw> likewise: bitbake need -b for -e - otherwise it does not know which recipe you want
Apr 21 19:40:18 <likewise> hrw: yes, but it does not fail if I use -e alone.
Apr 21 19:41:08 <hrw> I know
Apr 21 19:41:18 <Kristoffer> arghh factory reset doesnt seem to work either... I go through the menu and once I click YES, the power led blinks and then it goes black
Apr 21 19:42:58 <hrw> Kristoffer: I do not think that factory reset has sense with !sharprom
Apr 21 19:44:09 <Kristoffer> hrw how you mean?
Apr 21 19:44:35 <likewise> hrw: x86 machine is using i486. uclibc only contains i386 and i686 directories.
Apr 21 19:45:35 <hrw> likewise: so you need to copy one of them as i486?
Apr 21 19:45:52 <likewise> hrw: yes, exactly, will do and see where this ends
Apr 21 19:46:10 <hrw> Kristoffer: I mean that 'factory reset' option was rather done for original sharp system and do not work (have sense) for other distros
Apr 21 19:46:29 <Kristoffer> hrw Im just trying to reset to anything working
Apr 21 19:46:37 <likewise> hrw: I think the OE distro needs a set of *always-buildable* machine/distro combo's to find regressions such as this.
Apr 21 19:47:22 <hrw> likewise: uclibc is nearly no-man world in OE probably
Apr 21 19:48:42 <likewise> hrw: I do not see why. E for Embedded. uClibc is typically targetting embedded devices. Probably because all the GUI-full devices need the nifty localization of glibc?
Apr 21 19:49:21 <likewise> hrw: For headless embedded devices, I have never really seen the need for glibc.
Apr 21 19:52:39 <hrw> likewise: I see your point.
Apr 21 19:52:57 <likewise> hrw: CELF not interested in uclibc also?
Apr 21 19:53:00 <hrw> likewise: nslu2 people had uclibc based distro some time ago
Apr 21 19:53:10 <hrw> likewise: they use glibc systems
Apr 21 19:53:31 <likewise> hrw: yup, we use it for our firmware update image (which itself is a minimal linux system with uclibc)
Apr 21 19:53:43 <hrw> many OE people wait for 0.9.29 uclibc release
Apr 21 19:54:02 <likewise> hrw: 0.9.29_rc1 is out, so I'm trying to see if I can get it to work. 
Apr 21 19:54:09 <hrw> hi koen 
Apr 21 19:54:11 <likewise> koen: hi!
Apr 21 19:54:17 <hrw> koen: Chicago?
Apr 21 19:54:36 <likewise> hrw: just lack the OE specific knowledge on the toolchain creation process, but digging through it.
Apr 21 19:54:56 <koen> yes, chicago
Apr 21 19:54:58 <koen> good morning all
Apr 21 19:55:10 <woglinde> he koen
Apr 21 19:55:13 <koen> toolchains are black voodoo magic
Apr 21 19:55:17 <likewise> koen: good morning. hours to kill?
Apr 21 19:55:25 <hrw> koen: uclibc 0.9.29-rc1 exists - interested?
Apr 21 19:55:27 <koen> likewise: thanks for gatewaying yesterday
Apr 21 19:55:33 <koen> hrw: oooooooh!
Apr 21 19:55:39 <likewise> koen: did it work out?
Apr 21 19:55:44 <hrw> koen: then help likewise with it ;)
Apr 21 19:55:46 <koen> likewise: yes!
Apr 21 19:56:17 * hrw updates x11 to newer versions then r7.2
Apr 21 19:56:47 <likewise> koen: good to beer^W hear.
Apr 21 19:57:30 <koen> 21:57 in .nl now?
Apr 21 19:57:37 <likewise> koen: ack. wish you a nice second hop back here.
Apr 21 19:57:48 <hrw> koen: in .pl yes
Apr 21 19:57:55 <likewise> or "leg" that is.
Apr 21 19:58:17 <koen> thanks
Apr 21 19:58:23 * koen buys a chicago hotdog
Apr 21 19:59:06 <likewise> good leg followed by minimal jetlag...
Apr 21 19:59:31 <koen> yeah
Apr 21 19:59:53 <koen> I slept on the plane, and hope to do again with the next flight
Apr 21 20:00:26 * koen removes "united airlines" for the "will travel voluntarIly with" list
Apr 21 20:00:26 <hrw> http://www.malevole.com/mv/misc/killerquiz/
Apr 21 20:01:55 * koen ponders a bit about theme selection in an openmoko image
Apr 21 20:02:15 <koen> I refuse to add the gtkrc hack their svn has
Apr 21 20:03:43 <koen> likewise: angstrom should work with uclibc (at least it built uclibc_svn a few months ago)
Apr 21 20:04:27 <likewise> koen: ok, that might be a better starting point than generic-uclibc.
Apr 21 20:05:16 <koen> indeed
Apr 21 20:05:48 <hrw> make[3]: *** No rule to make target `arrayobj.lo', needed by `libmain.la'.  Stop.
Apr 21 20:05:57 <hrw> ~lart xorg-xserver 1.3.0.0
Apr 21 20:05:58 * ibot drops a humongous exploding nuke on xorg-xserver 1.3.0.0
Apr 21 20:09:42 <hrw> ok. time to check new Debian xserver
Apr 21 20:09:45 <hrw> bbiab
Apr 21 20:12:04 <concept10> anyone know a reference page for kdrive/tiny x?  I cant find updated info anywhere.
Apr 21 20:13:35 <koen> concept10: x.org
Apr 21 20:14:47 <koen> likewise: do you have a .bb for the uclibc rc1?
Apr 21 20:15:15 <koen> ah, drat
Apr 21 20:15:30 <likewise> koen: My first step was to build 0.9.28 to see where standing problems are
Apr 21 20:15:43 <koen> I forgot OE uclibc needs a zillion + 1 machine/distro/image config file
Apr 21 20:15:50 <koen> likewise: .28 is horribly broken
Apr 21 20:15:53 <likewise> as uclibc seems to have bitrot (mostly due to changes elsewehere)
Apr 21 20:15:58 <koen> don't waste time on that
Apr 21 20:16:24 <koen> uclibc_svn worked a while ago
Apr 21 20:16:29 <likewise> koen: ok
Apr 21 20:17:22 <woglinde> likewise no a 0.29 release is in sight
Apr 21 20:17:45 <likewise> woglinde: that's why I am bothering everyone and myself :-)
Apr 21 20:18:20 <woglinde> likewise okay *g*
Apr 21 20:18:22 <likewise> woglinde: They kept off the NPTL patches though. 
Apr 21 20:18:37 <Kristoffer> RP You there now?
Apr 21 20:18:55 <likewise> woglinde: 0.9.29 rc and 0.9.29.0 will probably without NPTL, .1 will probably be (longer term)
Apr 21 20:21:03 <likewise> koen: hotdog any good?
Apr 21 20:21:24 <koen> likewise: yes
Apr 21 20:22:03 <koen> even the starbucks is ok here
Apr 21 20:22:14 <koen> you can order "a large coffee" and they will give you one
Apr 21 20:22:38 * koen no habla starbucks
Apr 21 20:22:51 <likewise> koen: which is a new concept for us .eu's
Apr 21 20:23:02 <NAiL> likewise: 0.9.29 is (afaik) the last uclibc without nptl. There's a separate branch that has nptl support, that will get merged in after 0.9.29 is released.
Apr 21 20:24:04 <likewise> my g/f convinced me to see Spygame on .nl tv, so I'll catch up and bbl.
Apr 21 20:24:16 <koen> people really seemed to like LLVM at ELC2007
Apr 21 20:24:28 <koen> probably because I mentioned that they could dump gcc
Apr 21 20:24:37 <likewise> Koen: saw the Thomas Gleixner keynote?
Apr 21 20:24:42 <koen> yes
Apr 21 20:24:54 <koen> CELF invited tglx to do the keynote all over asia
Apr 21 20:25:01 <koen> s/the/that/
Apr 21 20:25:18 <woglinde> koen but llvm depens on gcc?
Apr 21 20:25:20 <likewise> koen: did he drive his point about embedded linux efforts should not be fragmented as they are now?
Apr 21 20:25:35 <koen> likewise: it was a kernel talk
Apr 21 20:25:39 <koen> woglinde: it doesn't
Apr 21 20:25:45 * likewise running for .tv now
Apr 21 20:25:55 <woglinde> koen hm than I read it wrong
Apr 21 20:26:27 <koen> woglinde: they imported a gcc4 snapshot into their llvm-gcc4 svn
Apr 21 20:27:04 <koen> if anyone is in the bay area next week -> LLVM developer summit
Apr 21 20:33:09 <hrw> re
Apr 21 20:33:46 <woglinde> re hrw
Apr 21 20:34:40 <hrw> ati 6.6.191 does not work here :(
Apr 21 20:35:02 * hrw has to register to yet-another-bugzilla
Apr 21 20:37:23 <Kristoffer|afk> hrw sorry to pester you. Really could use some help though. The only things I have access to is the Service menu and the <OK> + POWER flash menu
Apr 21 20:37:29 <Kristoffer|afk> It wont work to flash anything though
Apr 21 20:37:36 <Kristoffer|afk> So Im left with Service menu
Apr 21 20:38:10 <hrw> no idea sorry
Apr 21 20:42:46 <sirfred> ERROR: Can not check RPATH scanelf not found
Apr 21 20:43:01 <hrw> bitbake pax-utils-native;pester zecke
Apr 21 20:43:09 <sirfred> hrw: Thanks :)
Apr 21 20:43:32 <koen> hrw: are your gcc4 patches for linux-n800 online somewhere?
Apr 21 20:43:49 <hrw> koen: I forgot about it - moment
Apr 21 20:44:24 <hrw> koen: it was patch for 770 not n800
Apr 21 20:44:54 * koen is going to install angstrom on the n800 next week
Apr 21 20:45:14 <hrw> koen: RP tried Poky already
Apr 21 20:45:23 <koen> I know
Apr 21 20:45:42 <koen> mallum got quite excited when I mentioned it, so I know about that :)
Apr 21 20:46:27 * koen is preparing for the n800 to get unsupported by nokia once the n900 gets released
Apr 21 20:46:39 <hrw> n930?
Apr 21 20:47:53 <philippe> hrw: should be n830 no? 770 + 30 = 800   
Apr 21 20:48:01 <hrw> ah - yes..
Apr 21 20:48:31 <hrw> I wonder will it have keyboard or not
Apr 21 20:48:34 <philippe> unless they prefer to double the added number and go to 860
Apr 21 20:48:49 <hrw> philippe: Nokia c860
Apr 21 20:48:51 <hrw> :D
Apr 21 20:49:03 <koen> they could go the sharp route
Apr 21 20:49:17 * philippe wonders how it comes that the software nokia pushes out even works
Apr 21 20:49:19 <koen> produce a white n800 and ditch support for the grey/black one
Apr 21 20:49:36 <hrw> philippe: black magic
Apr 21 20:50:11 <philippe> hrw: I guess I will have to be friendlier to the integration team then. Before they change me into a toad or something
Apr 21 20:50:24 <hrw> Kristoffer|afk: battery OUT, ac OUT. wait few seconds
Apr 21 20:50:45 <hrw> Kristoffer|afk: hold D B keys, insert battery, lock battery, press power 
Apr 21 20:50:59 <hrw> Kristoffer|afk: wait for white sharp logo, release D B keys
Apr 21 20:51:20 <koen> the labquest is awesome
Apr 21 20:51:30 <koen> can't wait till august
Apr 21 20:51:35 <koen> hrw: attending guadec?
Apr 21 20:51:37 <hrw> koen: I wonder when they will send code into mainline
Apr 21 20:51:47 <hrw> koen: not planned to
Apr 21 20:53:01 <koen> mallum and I thought it would be funny to bring you there
Apr 21 20:53:10 <sirfred> I was thinking that openmoko UI could be aproppiate for a zaurus also. What do you think?
Apr 21 20:53:22 <koen> sirfred: if you have 128MB ram
Apr 21 20:53:42 <sirfred> koen: Why is that much ram needed?
Apr 21 20:53:52 <koen> bad code?
Apr 21 20:53:57 <hrw> koen: if OH will pay - who knows
Apr 21 20:54:20 <hrw> koen: my contract does not cover conferences
Apr 21 20:54:28 <sirfred> koen: What components, exactly?
Apr 21 20:54:48 <hrw> "Embedix 2.0 | Linux for Embedded Devices" - which device it is? :D
Apr 21 20:57:28 <hrw> koen: and don't you that I can get bored to listen about gnome when I do not use it?
Apr 21 20:58:09 <hrw> s/you that/you think that/
Apr 21 20:58:29 <koen> people actually listen to talks at conferences?
Apr 21 20:58:40 <NAiL> nope
Apr 21 20:58:49 <NAiL> ;)
Apr 21 20:58:57 * NAiL uses conferences to sleep :-P
Apr 21 20:59:00 * koen usually tries to extort free hardware from people
Apr 21 20:59:43 <NAiL> that's a good idea
Apr 21 21:00:02 <hrw> ;D
Apr 21 21:00:15 <koen> crap
Apr 21 21:00:22 <hrw> koen: what new from celf?
Apr 21 21:00:27 <koen> I forgot to ask Tim and the ibm dude abhout PS3s
Apr 21 21:00:34 <hrw> s/celf/elc
Apr 21 21:00:52 <koen> hrw: TI boards for crofton and me and webservers for OE
Apr 21 21:01:27 <koen> oh dear
Apr 21 21:01:29 <hrw> nice
Apr 21 21:01:32 <koen> there's an alarm going off
Apr 21 21:01:52 <hrw> I wonder will celf move misc1 to public access as part of it
Apr 21 21:02:09 <koen> lots of people were asking about a source mirror :)
Apr 21 21:02:24 <hrw> SOURCE_MIRROR_URL = "http://misc1/mirror/" is nice thing
Apr 21 21:02:27 <koen> "Celf has one, and will make it public, right?" *looks at tim*
Apr 21 21:02:48 <koen> (during my talk)
Apr 21 21:02:49 <sirfred> koen: Any news about canola going open?
Apr 21 21:02:51 <hrw> I need to finally write proper cleanup script
Apr 21 21:03:01 <koen> sirfred: still stuck at nokia legal
Apr 21 21:03:05 <hrw> before space will end
Apr 21 21:03:21 <hrw> ~lart cvs/svn/git recipes in OE
Apr 21 21:03:21 * ibot pours hot grits down the front of cvs/svn/git recipes in OE's pants
Apr 21 21:03:22 <sirfred> Anyway, I'm not able to get proper performance from gstreamer on zaurus
Apr 21 21:03:36 <hrw> FSCK! end of space
Apr 21 21:03:42 <hrw> /dev/sda3             218G  207G     0 100% /a
Apr 21 21:04:34 <sirfred> But with a decent software as canola seems to be, perhaps I feel motivated to do some profiling
Apr 21 21:04:37 <koen> sirfred: I talked to thaythan and ureas about performance 
Apr 21 21:04:56 <koen> they were very interesting in what bottlenecks you were seeing
Apr 21 21:05:27 <koen> volunteers for adding cohoba to OE?
Apr 21 21:05:37 <sirfred> koen: I merged armv5te code into the gst-ffmpeg bundled version
Apr 21 21:05:51 <sirfred> koen: And, well, performance seems to be a little better, but still far from mplayer.
Apr 21 21:06:50 <koen> is that patch in OE?
Apr 21 21:06:52 <sirfred> koen: A curious thing is that audio, that in my tests is mp3 64kbps seems to mark the difference. Without audio, video doesn't drop, even decoding audio but sending it to /dev/null...
Apr 21 21:07:11 <sirfred> koen: No, I didn't have time to prepare it properly. It's just a hack.
Apr 21 21:07:49 * koen gets some more food/coffee
Apr 21 21:07:51 <koen> later all
Apr 21 21:07:52 <sirfred> koen: Probably it would be better trying to merge a newer version of ffmpeg. I just copied the armv5te asm bits, and changed the autoconf related stuff
Apr 21 21:08:01 <woglinde> bye koen
Apr 21 21:08:04 <sirfred> koen: cu
Apr 21 21:09:15 <sirfred> hrw: It seems openzaurus people prefer to go angstrom
Apr 21 21:09:32 <woglinde> sirfred I wonder why *g*
Apr 21 21:10:10 <hrw> sirfred: and thats good
Apr 21 21:10:16 <sirfred> woglinde: What *g* is supposed to mean?
Apr 21 21:10:20 <sirfred> hrw: Yes, I also agree.
Apr 21 21:10:38 <sirfred> hrw: More people working in the same direction is better
Apr 21 21:11:01 <sirfred> At least if you're interesting in following that direction, of course. 
Apr 21 21:11:03 <woglinde> sirfred *g* means *grin*
Apr 21 21:11:24 <sirfred> woglinde: Thanks. I'm not aware of a lot of irc jargon
Apr 21 21:11:46 <woglinde> sirfred oh sorry
Apr 21 21:11:52 <hrw> sirfred: I asked to not look as dictator telling "OZ is *DEAD* - you *MUST* work on Angstrom NOW!" :D
Apr 21 21:12:04 <sirfred> woglinde: Just my fault. :)
Apr 21 21:12:09 <sirfred> hrw: :)
Apr 21 21:12:47 <woglinde> hrw you are no dictator
Apr 21 21:12:56 <sirfred> hrw: Anyway, I'm not very happy with the UI we have with gpe. 
Apr 21 21:13:15 <hrw> sirfred: psokolovsky work on OPIE for angstrom
Apr 21 21:13:34 <sirfred> hrw: OPIE have the same problems in my opinion.
Apr 21 21:14:16 <sirfred> When I look to my husky screen, it looks like a miniaturized desktop, it's not confortable.
Apr 21 21:15:23 <hrw> agreed
Apr 21 21:15:29 <sirfred> Nokia interface, for example, looks better for a high DPI but still small screen. Or even the OpenMoko screenshots I've seen
Apr 21 21:16:03 <sirfred> I wonder what Poky snapshots UI are using. Are they going matchbox-*-2 ?
Apr 21 21:16:21 <hrw> yes
Apr 21 21:16:33 <hrw> matchbox-*-1 is going into obsolete
Apr 21 21:17:13 <sirfred> Perhaps it was just the screenshot, but it looked better that what I'm used to see with vanilla gpe.
Apr 21 21:18:15 <sirfred> Just a curiosity, I measured today the husky screen, and got that is has 217 dpi approx. But the Xserver configuration is setting it to 200.
Apr 21 21:18:16 <Kristoffer|afk> hrw Its working again now. Seems like the NAND was broken, so I downloaded a image of it and reflashed it. :D ... Gotta love the spitz
Apr 21 21:19:32 <hrw> sirfred: feel free to try Poky images from http://pokylinux.org/
Apr 21 21:21:16 <sirfred> hrw: I suppose I will run into problems to install packages generated from my OE builds, after that.
Apr 21 21:21:34 <hrw> sirfred: angstrom ones?
Apr 21 21:21:55 <sirfred> hrw: Yes, that would be the case, as I'm migrating to ansgtrom just now.
Apr 21 21:22:21 <sirfred> But I'm afraid it's going to be a slow process ( NOTE: package glibc-2.5-r5: task do_compile: started)
Apr 21 21:22:24 <hrw> sirfred: probably will work
Apr 21 21:22:54 <sirfred> hrw: Was thinking about release versions and so. Anyway, if I like what I see, I can always borrow it for OE, I suppose.
Apr 21 21:23:11 <sirfred> s/release versions/package versions/
Apr 21 21:23:20 <sirfred> Dependencies and so on.
Apr 21 21:24:25 <sirfred> And what about the enlightenment path, is it abandoned?
Apr 21 21:24:52 <hrw> ask JustinP - he is e17 mastah
Apr 21 21:25:27 <Kristoffer|afk> hrw tried to reflash the zaurus with my 2.6.20 kernel, back at the errors again. Atleast now I know how to fix them. Btw, zImage.bin = arch/boot/zImage ?
Apr 21 21:26:28 <hrw> Kristoffer|afk: yes
Apr 21 21:28:21 <hrw> ls of sources dir on mirror takes 16 minutes
Apr 21 21:28:22 <Kristoffer|afk> hrw thx
Apr 21 21:36:41 <Kristoffer|afk> hrw I believe I've found what caused it. My kernel was 1.5MB and Richard has stated in his kernel.bb file that "Check the kernel is below the 1264*1024 byte limit for the PXA Zaurii
Apr 21 21:37:01 <Kristoffer|afk> and if so "This kernel is too big for your PXA Zaurus and will destroy data if you flash it. Please reduce the size of the kernel by making more of it modular"
Apr 21 21:38:22 <hrw> flasher does not check it
Apr 21 21:38:46 <Kristoffer|afk> So, it would explain my issues then. The kernel might be alright, just too big :D
Apr 21 21:38:47 <hrw> so if you flash too large kernel (easy with 2.6 ones) then you are fucked
Apr 21 21:39:05 <Kristoffer|afk> Thats what I've done :) thank good for being able to reflash Nand
Apr 21 21:39:51 <Kristoffer|afk> Works fine now though, so Im very happy
Apr 21 21:43:00 <hrw> and not afk ;D
Apr 21 21:44:15 <Kristoffer> hehe
Apr 21 21:45:00 <goxboxlive> hrw could you do some updates in oe for me?
Apr 21 21:45:45 <hrw> goxboxlive: I go sleep in few minutes
Apr 21 21:46:11 <goxboxlive> ok, maybe tomorrow then. Good night by the way 
Apr 21 21:46:29 <hrw> thx
Apr 21 21:46:34 <hrw> you too 
Apr 21 21:46:36 <hrw> cu all
Apr 21 21:46:43 <sirfred> hrw|gone: Good night
Apr 21 21:46:43 <woglinde> nite hrw
Apr 21 21:46:50 <sirfred> Good night all.
Apr 21 22:08:46 <goxboxlive> any one awake?
Apr 21 22:08:53 <woglinde> yes
Apr 21 22:09:10 <goxboxlive> do you know if am am able to build a ramdisk in OE (initrd) ?
Apr 21 22:09:54 <woglinde> hm I believe no
Apr 21 22:10:19 <goxboxlive> ok
Apr 21 22:10:33 <woglinde> but you can grap the classes dir
Apr 21 22:10:36 <woglinde> grep
Apr 21 22:10:39 <goxboxlive> what kind of images is they wich ends with ext.gz?
Apr 21 22:19:51 <likewise> goxboxlive: ramdisk may be "ext2.gz", or "cramfs" or any other support for ramdisks you have in the kernel
Apr 21 22:21:17 <goxboxlive> likewise: Ok, thx, so actually if i creates a console image i will be able to use it as a ramdisk when i have support for it in my kernel zImage.
Apr 21 22:22:24 <likewise> goxboxlive: yes. For some filesystem types you would need something like rootfstype=jffs2, but most ramdisks are auto detected.
Apr 21 22:23:18 <goxboxlive> likewise: Yes we use HaRET to boot, and we have a line for ramdisk i our startup script.
Apr 22 00:10:54 <likewise> HopsNBarley: hi there
Apr 22 00:11:34 <HopsNBarley> hi likewise.  thanks for the help yesterday, everything went flawlessly.
Apr 22 00:12:01 <likewise> that's something new to hear on this channel :-)
Apr 22 00:12:15 * likewise is fighting with uclibc support for OE.
Apr 22 00:21:28 <HopsNBarley> (-;
Apr 22 00:23:28 * chouimat just had a great meal ... 
Apr 22 00:30:14 <HopsNBarley> oh yeah?  where?
Apr 22 00:47:48 <chouimat> HopsNBarley: the one I cooked :)
Apr 22 00:48:21 <HopsNBarley> the best kind!  
Apr 22 00:48:55 <chouimat> HopsNBarley: true but you need to know how to cook for this ;)
Apr 22 00:49:10 <HopsNBarley> what did you do?
Apr 22 00:53:10 <chouimat> roasted pork
Apr 22 00:58:35 <likewise> chouimat: full pork? turning it for hours above a camp fire? :-)
Apr 22 00:58:48 * likewise has seen that once in Costa Rica.
Apr 22 00:59:26 <likewise> here, all meat comes in teeny-tiny shrinkwraps too small to write 'steak' on.
Apr 22 01:00:09 <likewise> bitbake complains "No providers of runtime build target glibc-thread-db", but I'm building uclibc. How to work around this?
Apr 22 01:01:41 <likewise> good night all
Apr 22 01:01:54 <chouimat> likewise: about 1.5kg of it cook for 4 hours in the oven
Apr 22 01:03:18 <likewise> chouimat: wow, I only once took 4 hours to cook, and that was when I made my own pizza dough. 
Apr 22 01:20:12 <Speedy2> Hey all.  Off topic question:  I need to backup partitions on a machine, like to boot to a Linux Live CD and store it to a network drive and restore to a NEW HDD.  SysRecCD includes PartImage which won't restore to a new HDD.  Any other ideas?
Apr 22 01:24:59 <chouimat> dd?
Apr 22 01:25:13 <chouimat> tar
Apr 22 01:25:38 <pierrelux> dd+netcat
Apr 22 01:25:54 <Speedy2> I'm hoping to avoid a ghetto-rigged script solution.
Apr 22 01:27:26 <pierrelux> take a look on internet, this is a common trick. it's like one line on each computer
Apr 22 01:28:14 <pierrelux> I've been cloning a server that way...
Apr 22 01:32:08 <Speedy2> The drive to restore to is of a different size and has no partitions, so it requires a bit more intelligence
Apr 22 01:58:42 <chouimat> Speedy2: which file format?
Apr 22 01:59:08 <chouimat> err FS
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