**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 24 02:59:57 2007
Jul 24 05:14:25 <summatusmentis> is anyone using OS X has a host machine to OE?
Jul 24 05:16:36 <NAbyss> summatusmentis: AFAIk, there's been various people taking a stab at it, but it's not really supported
Jul 24 05:18:55 <summatusmentis> NAbyss: hrm.... better idea would be linux in vm then?
Jul 24 05:22:14 <NAbyss> summatusmentis: Yeah
Jul 24 06:27:05 <steliosk> good morning
Jul 24 07:46:27 <likewise> gm!
Jul 24 07:50:40 <rob_w|laptop> can i specify a different cross gcc for the kernel ?
Jul 24 07:54:43 <steliosk> rob_w|laptop : gcc-cross-kernel
Jul 24 07:56:58 <steliosk> rob_w|laptop : you can specify it at the kernel recipe i.e KERNEL_CCSUFFIX = "-3.4.4"
Jul 24 07:58:31 <rob_w|laptop> cool thanks
Jul 24 08:49:45 <jan-js> morning !
Jul 24 10:04:31 <woglinde> hi florian
Jul 24 10:15:19 <jan-js> florian: did you see pulster has netbook-pro's for 399 Euro ?
Jul 24 10:19:48 <florian> hi all
Jul 24 10:20:08 <florian> jan-js: oh... no - nice
Jul 24 10:22:24 <hrw> morning
Jul 24 10:22:34 <RP> morning all
Jul 24 10:22:41 <hrw> 399 eur.. I paid less for my dell d400 notebook
Jul 24 10:22:47 <pH5> good morning
Jul 24 10:24:43 <jan-js> hrw: all a matter of taste, I guess ;-)
Jul 24 10:24:57 <hrw> sure
Jul 24 10:25:49 <jan-js> hrw: btw., may I botheryou with a 2.4 kernel question again ?
Jul 24 10:26:30 <hrw> you can try
Jul 24 10:28:24 <jan-js> hrw: It seems to me that angstrom.conf sets KERNEL = "kernel26" and MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION = "2.4" hardcoded. 
Jul 24 10:28:56 <steliosk> hrw : the alice boards arived today
Jul 24 10:29:26 <steliosk> hrw : they are at 500Mhz with 256MB ram :)
Jul 24 10:29:30 <jan-js> hrw: No matter, what I select in local.conf, bitbake -e allways shows that KERNEL remains kernel26 .
Jul 24 10:30:17 <hrw> jan-js: both those vars are deprecated
Jul 24 10:30:36 <hrw> jan-js: and distro override local config
Jul 24 10:31:21 <jan-js> hrw: o.k. so these two have no impact whatsoever and I can ignore them ?
Jul 24 10:31:25 <hrw> yes
Jul 24 10:32:36 <jan-js> hrw: So how to convince bitbake to build for kernel 2.4 ?
Jul 24 10:32:43 <woglinde> hm anyone remeber what was the error with libxml2 and gzopen64
Jul 24 10:33:04 <jan-js> hrw: Or is it a sectret now ?
Jul 24 10:33:05 <woglinde> libxml2.so.2: undefined symbol: gzopen64
Jul 24 10:33:41 <hrw> woglinde: lack of -lz?
Jul 24 10:33:55 <hrw> jan-js: edit machine config
Jul 24 10:35:08 <jan-js> hrw: so I have a look now into collie.conf
Jul 24 10:35:17 <hrw> jan-js: why collie?
Jul 24 10:35:21 <woglinde> hrw hm
Jul 24 10:35:25 <woglinde> its linked
Jul 24 10:35:31 <woglinde> ldd says
Jul 24 10:36:14 <jan-js> hrw: just an example. There I find: MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION ?= "2.6"
Jul 24 10:36:34 <jan-js> hrw: So I change that to 2.4 and thats it ?
Jul 24 10:37:34 <jan-js> hrw: actually I want to build a root - fs for the netbook, but that would probably be similar to collie.
Jul 24 10:38:25 <woglinde> hm  warning: implicit declaration of function 'gzopen64'
Jul 24 10:39:53 <hrw> jan-js: MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION is used in those machines which has 2.4/2.6 includes.
Jul 24 10:40:44 <jan-js> hrw: Yes, I have seen the 2.4 -include for collie. 
Jul 24 10:40:49 <woglinde> hm where the fuck gzopen64 comes from
Jul 24 10:41:04 <hrw> jan-js: and then MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION is used in local.conf to switch 2.4<>2.6
Jul 24 10:41:38 <jan-js> hrw: and angstrom.conf switches it back to 2.6 because it overrides local.conf ?
Jul 24 10:41:54 <hrw> jan-js: no
Jul 24 10:42:13 <hrw> jan-js: bitbake read bitbake.conf, then local.conf then machine config then distro config.
Jul 24 10:42:33 <jan-js> hrw: one moment,let my test this 
Jul 24 10:42:35 <hrw> jan-js: yu set MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION in local.conf so machine use your value.
Jul 24 10:43:25 <jan-js> hrw: so MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION is not depricated then ?
Jul 24 10:46:56 <woglinde> hrw hm it seems the host zlib comes somehow in
Jul 24 10:47:08 <hrw> jan-js: ah, right
Jul 24 10:48:04 <jan-js> hrw: doesn't work. MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION stays 2.6 no matter wether I chnage it collie.conf or local.conf or even in both !
Jul 24 10:48:35 <jan-js> hrw: because bitbake reads distro.conf last ?
Jul 24 10:49:34 <hrw> yes
Jul 24 10:51:12 <jan-js> hrw: since I don't want to change the hardcoded value in angstrom.conf, would it be o.k. to put it into angstrom-legacy.conf right after the "require angstrom.con" or wouild that be too late then ?
Jul 24 10:51:57 <jan-js> hrw: and the use "..-legacy.conf" in local.conf off course.
Jul 24 10:52:03 <hrw> too late
Jul 24 10:52:10 <hrw> jan-js: you need to choose 2.4/2.6 in local.conf
Jul 24 10:52:46 <jan-js> hrw: no, that does not work. gets overridden by distro.conf
Jul 24 10:55:18 <jan-js> hrw: bitbake -e gives MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION = 2.6 in that case.
Jul 24 10:58:20 <hrw> jan-js: bitbake read local.conf and gets MACHINE_KERNEL_VERSION = 2.4 - then it read machine config and use 2.4 value for it. then distro change it but kernel was already selected as 2.4, machine_features changed to have kernel24 instead of kernel24 etc..
Jul 24 10:58:25 <hrw> jan-js: thats how it works
Jul 24 11:00:05 <jan-js> hrw: hmm ... I think I understand. Thats why bitbake -e gives 2.6 at the end. 
Jul 24 11:01:19 <jan-js> hrw: But why is it changed back to 2.6 in distro.conf anyway: There is a comment there : #Make sure we use 2.6 on machines with a 2.4/2.6 selector
Jul 24 11:01:36 <jan-js> hrw: why that ? 
Jul 24 11:02:03 <hrw> its bogus
Jul 24 11:03:06 <jan-js> hrw: do you know wether it still workks, e.g. for collie 2.4 ? 
Jul 24 11:04:49 <hrw> should
Jul 24 11:06:21 <jan-js> hrw: o.k., I think I will have to do the test with collie now to find out. Thanks for your patience, hrw !
Jul 24 11:07:54 <jan-js> hrw: will just build a minimal image, that should go fast.
Jul 24 11:10:04 <XorA> morning
Jul 24 11:12:13 <woglinde> hi xora
Jul 24 11:28:59 <cdbot2> * * OE Bug 2678 has been created by detlef.steuer(AT)gmx.de
Jul 24 11:29:01 <cdbot2> * * RFP: tetex-bin missing in arm5te for zaurus 860
Jul 24 11:29:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2678
Jul 24 11:34:59 <cdbot2> * * OE Bug 2678 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by <koen>
Jul 24 11:35:01 <cdbot2> * *  RFP: tetex-bin missing in arm5te for zaurus 860
Jul 24 11:35:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2678
Jul 24 11:36:33 <woglinde> hms
Jul 24 11:36:52 <woglinde> the debian zlib.h header sneaks in when compiling libxml2-native
Jul 24 11:37:23 <XorA> shoot it quick
Jul 24 11:38:18 <woglinde> hm I will file a bug
Jul 24 11:38:31 <mwester-road> It'll just come back if you shoot it, like a zombie.
Jul 24 11:38:45 <XorA> mwester-road: the I get out my holy chainsaw
Jul 24 11:38:58 <woglinde> hm but -isystem is set
Jul 24 11:39:36 <zecke> koen|away: okay! Will look into dftables
Jul 24 11:43:56 <Crofton|home> anyway to have a bb file include kernel modules in the final image?
Jul 24 11:44:23 <Crofton|home> I am adding some libraries that depend on the netfilter kernel stuff
Jul 24 11:45:43 <XorA> RRECOMMEND them
Jul 24 11:45:56 <XorA> that way it doesnt break for kernels where they compiled in
Jul 24 11:48:35 <likewise> Does OE support a OE-wide way to split between debug and release builds?
Jul 24 11:49:28 <hrw> DISTRO_TYPE thing?
Jul 24 11:54:39 <woglinde> bug filed
Jul 24 11:54:59 <cdbot2> * * OE Bug 2679 has been created by heinold(AT)inf.fu-berlin.de
Jul 24 11:55:01 <cdbot2> * * zlib.h from debian sneaks in when  compiling libxml2-native
Jul 24 11:55:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2679
Jul 24 11:55:43 <woglinde> thanks cdbot
Jul 24 12:21:13 <XorA> yo koen 
Jul 24 12:21:32 <koen> 'morning all
Jul 24 12:21:34 <koen> XorA: do you have that networkmanager recipe still lying around?
Jul 24 12:21:59 <XorA> koen: gimme a minute to boot laptop
Jul 24 12:23:13 <koen> zecke|study: I also found the -lcurl problem: Unknown keyword 'URL' in '/data/build/koen/OE/build/tmp/angstrom/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/pkgconfig/libcurl.pc'
Jul 24 12:27:58 <XorA> koen: yes I do
Jul 24 12:33:47 <koen> XorA: could you check it in with DEFAULT_PREF = -1?
Jul 24 12:38:34 <XorA> koen: syncing now
Jul 24 12:41:32 <koen> XorA: thanks
Jul 24 12:51:35 <CIA-3> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc5242809... 10/ (1 packages/libpcre/libpcre_4.4.bb): libpcre: fix packaging, stage dftables
Jul 24 12:51:40 <CIA-3> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r49620a48... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): webkit: first attempt at fixing the dftables problem (http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14744)
Jul 24 12:51:44 <CIA-3> 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r2fb7d0fb... 10/ (1 packages/networkmanager/networkmanager_svn.bb): networkmanager_svn.bb : stolen from poky
Jul 24 12:55:00 <koen> XorA: http://rafb.net/p/FhU9ZF93.html
Jul 24 12:55:40 <zecke|study> koen: I don't know if we can use dftables from pcre but tronical said the following
Jul 24 12:55:43 <XorA> koen: looks ok, I just stole the recipe for poky
Jul 24 12:55:58 <zecke|study> koen: just call qmake on the pro files we want :)
Jul 24 12:56:40 <zecke|study> koen: and there are two new keys WEBKIT_INC_DIR=/usr/include/webkitgdk WEBKIT_LIB_IDR=/usr/lib and you can can call make install from within WebCore build dir
Jul 24 12:57:08 <koen> zecke|study: or poke alp to make pcre external as well
Jul 24 12:57:53 <zecke|study> koen: no, stock pcre doesn't do ucs4
Jul 24 13:00:31 <koen> hmmm
Jul 24 13:01:43 <koen> "oh, and I don’t think I’ve ever seen the words “good engineering practises” and “small extensible core” anywhere near “mozilla”"
Jul 24 13:01:57 <woglinde> *g*
Jul 24 13:02:17 <woglinde> we had mozilla as case study in opensource course
Jul 24 13:02:29 <koen> everybody ran away screaming?
Jul 24 13:02:45 <woglinde> no it was managment not code quality
Jul 24 13:03:40 <woglinde> koen is staging_dir/lib/java a good place for java-core lib or where should they go for staging?
Jul 24 13:04:08 <koen> why not in ${STAGING_LIBDIR} ?
Jul 24 13:04:48 <woglinde> hm because its java it dont make sense to have native and cross lib
Jul 24 13:04:59 <woglinde> one is enough
Jul 24 13:05:20 <woglinde> and from bb-classes I didnt find {STAGING_LIBDIR_NATIVE
Jul 24 13:05:28 <woglinde> only for BIN and INCLUDE
Jul 24 13:05:42 <koen> it does make sense to have both
Jul 24 13:05:51 * koen remembers the rxtx java lib
Jul 24 13:06:10 <woglinde> hm okay
Jul 24 13:13:43 <koen> XorA: networkmanager_svn.bb has been fixed
Jul 24 13:15:45 * Crofton|home kicks libtool
Jul 24 13:16:15 <woglinde> hehe
Jul 24 13:16:54 <Crofton|home> in a library relink, it converts the staging path to a -L/usr/lib
Jul 24 13:17:14 <CIA-3> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rf185acec... 10/ (1 packages/networkmanager/networkmanager_svn.bb): networkmanager: fix packaging and QA issues
Jul 24 13:19:01 <koen> XorA: the only thing left is to distributed the dbus service files with the correct libs
Jul 24 13:19:24 <XorA> koen: and build the applet
Jul 24 13:19:30 <koen> right
Jul 24 13:19:43 <koen> XorA: the e17 people have their own applet
Jul 24 13:20:02 <hrw> does svn ver still use libgnomeui?
Jul 24 13:20:35 <koen> hey mallum 
Jul 24 13:20:52 <mallum> hey mr koen
Jul 24 13:21:49 <hrw> o.. mallum here
Jul 24 13:22:57 <mallum> hey hrw :)
Jul 24 13:33:08 <zecke> koen: you should not use dftables of pcre for WebKit. The pcre in webkit is using ucs4 (16bit for a charachter instead of 8)
Jul 24 13:52:57 <koen> zecke: so the .pro files from webkit needs to get fixed to use BUILD_CC
Jul 24 13:53:16 <hrw> koen: sed it
Jul 24 13:55:37 <slapin> Marex, to dump pc, you need to "print $pc" or print/x $pc :)
Jul 24 13:56:03 <Marex> already found that
Jul 24 13:56:05 <Crofton|home> do we have any example patches dealing with libtool relink failures?
Jul 24 14:01:48 <CIA-3> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r28e5885c... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-base.bb): task-base: also install bluez-utils-compat in task-base-bluetooth
Jul 24 14:03:27 <hrw> bluez-utils-compat?
Jul 24 14:03:48 <koen> command line tools that will go away in future bluez releases
Jul 24 14:03:49 <XorA> hrw: rfcomm hciattach and the like
Jul 24 14:03:50 <CIA-3> 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rd7758e26... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): phoneserver: Add patch for FIC GTA01 support.
Jul 24 14:04:03 <koen> XorA: hciattach should be in the main bluez package
Jul 24 14:04:05 <hrw> ah
Jul 24 14:04:39 * hrw goes back to mail
Jul 24 14:07:08 <CoreDump|home> hi
Jul 24 14:13:26 <koen> hey lrg 
Jul 24 14:13:55 <lrg> hey koen 
Jul 24 14:16:36 <hrw> hi mickeyl lrg CoreDump
Jul 24 14:16:45 <koen> hey mickeyl 
Jul 24 14:16:54 <lrg> hey marcin, mickeyl 
Jul 24 14:22:52 <chouimat> morning
Jul 24 14:23:15 <woglinde> hi choiumat
Jul 24 14:35:01 <CIA-3> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8cdc9906... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): disapproval of revision 'd7758e2637918ff4035244d64fb7227f6cf833ad'
Jul 24 14:35:06 <CIA-3> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r81786bc5... 10/ (1 packages/ruby/ruby_1.8.5.bb): ruby: fix packaging
Jul 24 14:42:15 <mickeyl> hi guys!
Jul 24 14:42:24 <XorA> hey mickeyl 
Jul 24 14:42:28 <chouimat> hi mickeyl
Jul 24 14:42:58 <Crofton|home> where can I find debian build files?
Jul 24 14:43:10 <woglinde> crofton for what?
Jul 24 14:43:13 <Crofton|home> I need to look at how they deal with libnetfilter_queue
Jul 24 14:43:52 <woglinde> crofton put deb-src http//... line in sources.list
Jul 24 14:43:55 <woglinde> apt-get update
Jul 24 14:44:01 <woglinde> apt-get source packagename
Jul 24 14:52:39 <Crofton|home>  checking for LIBNFNETLINK... Unknown keyword 'URL' in '/home/balister/oe/tmp/staging/powerpc-angstrom-linux/lib/pkgconfig/libnfnetlink.pc'
Jul 24 14:53:00 <Crofton|home> need to check versions of pkgconfig
Jul 24 14:56:42 <Crofton|home> hmm, current version of pkg-config is 0.22, we have 0.15
Jul 24 14:57:40 <XorA> Crofton|home: see GUADEC minutes :-)
Jul 24 14:57:50 <XorA> Crofton|home: I think you just accepted an actio
Jul 24 14:57:52 <XorA> n
Jul 24 14:58:24 <Crofton|home> heh
Jul 24 14:58:29 <Crofton|home> curse you
Jul 24 14:59:24 <Crofton|home> how horrible is the work?
Jul 24 15:03:29 <XorA> Crofton|home: I have no idea, its been so long
Jul 24 15:03:57 <Crofton|home> well, I'll dig a little
Jul 24 15:04:14 <Crofton|home> maybe even commit a start with DEF_PREF=-1
Jul 24 15:04:25 <Crofton|home> I will be out of town this afternoon and tomorrow
Jul 24 15:05:10 <steliosk> Crofotn|home : Is that commit so terrible you are leaving for 2 days ? :)
Jul 24 15:05:18 <Crofton|home> :)
Jul 24 15:05:41 <Crofton|home> I don't want to break something and drop out of sight for a few days
Jul 24 15:06:02 <steliosk> Crofotn|home : If you break something you will have to ;)
Jul 24 15:07:37 <Crofton|home> first problem
Jul 24 15:07:43 <Crofton|home> it is now pkg-config
Jul 24 15:07:49 <Crofton|home> the tarball name
Jul 24 15:07:55 * steliosk hugs its air-condition unit
Jul 24 15:12:15 <woglinde> hm how can I get the qt-dir within a .bb
Jul 24 15:12:35 <dreamer> i just copied my OE directory from one drive to another, and remounted the new drive in the old path, but now i'm getting permission denied /OE/, i have OE installed in /opt/OE, i'm not sure what config file could have changed to /OE/ as the path, i checked org.openembedded.dev/conf/local.conf and the path's are correct there. any leads?
Jul 24 15:17:24 <dreamer> ignore that, i just didn't source my file to set variables
Jul 24 15:18:29 <woglinde> *g*
Jul 24 15:19:56 <woglinde> okay
Jul 24 15:19:59 <woglinde> bitbake -e 
Jul 24 15:20:02 <woglinde> *g*
Jul 24 15:20:17 <woglinde> and I often give advices to use it
Jul 24 15:21:35 <koen> zecke: webkit people are funny
Jul 24 15:21:51 <koen> zecke: I mention webkitgdk and they change the bug to qt
Jul 24 15:27:31 <chouimat> koen LOL
Jul 24 15:33:12 <Crofton|home> who did the original pkgconfig bb file?
Jul 24 15:33:25 <RP> Crofton|home: I think that is fairly old
Jul 24 15:34:21 <Crofton|home> I'm just wondering about the patches
Jul 24 15:35:06 <koen> most patches are for the internal glib-1.2, right?
Jul 24 15:35:17 <Crofton|home> I'm not sure
Jul 24 15:35:26 <Crofton|home> there is a pkg.m4
Jul 24 15:35:29 <koen> they were when I looked at it :)
Jul 24 15:35:32 <Crofton|home> glibconfig
Jul 24 15:35:39 <Crofton|home> and a configure one
Jul 24 15:35:41 <koen> ignore pkg.m4, that's to update our 0.15 to 0.19
Jul 24 15:35:49 <Crofton|home> ok
Jul 24 15:36:22 <koen> 0.19-ish, that is
Jul 24 15:40:45 <chouimat> interesting http://apcmag.com/6735/interview_con_kolivas
Jul 24 15:49:16 <koen> Crofton|home: could you try http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/OE/pkgconfig-022.diff ?
Jul 24 15:50:30 <Crofton|home> I'll try
Jul 24 15:52:04 <zecke> koen: well, it is the Qt buildsystem. And if that makes some one Troll to fix it be happy
Jul 24 15:55:13 <zecke> psokolovsky_: I can give that book to koen at OEDEM :)
Jul 24 15:56:11 <zecke> RP: So it looks like September would be the preferred month for OEDEM? It is a bit sad as some of the beach bars will be closed by then
Jul 24 15:56:20 <psokolovsky_> zecke: cool ;-)
Jul 24 15:56:46 <zecke> RP: should I just select four days (two of them on the weekend?)
Jul 24 15:57:03 <koen> friday - monday ?
Jul 24 15:57:24 <RP> zecke: As I've said, I'm ok with September. Other people can't make August so it looks like it
Jul 24 15:57:36 <RP> zecke: Pick 4 days and then we'll see who can't come ;-)
Jul 24 15:57:56 <zecke> RP: wow I mixed up the order of September and October... marcin hat a preference for october
Jul 24 15:57:58 <hrw> zecke: not 13-18 as we cant be then
Jul 24 15:58:07 <zecke> hrw: :)
Jul 24 15:58:22 <wirelessdreamer> when i find /lib |xargs koen it comes up with alot of libraries that can't be natively linked against
Jul 24 15:58:34 <hrw> zecke: I prefer october so in september we can go for honeymoon.
Jul 24 15:58:45 <hrw> zecke: if september then no 13-18
Jul 24 15:59:09 <hrw> october not 11-16
Jul 24 15:59:14 <RP> zecke: Anyhow, Berlin has a beach? 
Jul 24 15:59:30 <zecke> RP: artificial one at the Spree
Jul 24 15:59:37 <RP> zecke: ah ;)
Jul 24 15:59:50 <koen> like the one at guadec :)
Jul 24 15:59:51 <zecke> RP: Spree is the main river in Berlin and along it there are plenty of beach bars
Jul 24 16:00:05 <zecke> koen: judging from the pictures we have real water
Jul 24 16:00:21 <RP> zecke: I remember the river now you mention it
Jul 24 16:00:54 <zecke> RP: berlin has more bridges than venice
Jul 24 16:01:24 <RP> zecke: That would take some doing
Jul 24 16:01:43 <RP> I guess it depends on the size of bridges you're counting :}
Jul 24 16:02:22 <Crofton|home> hrw, where is the honeymoon?
Jul 24 16:02:32 <zecke> did I say something ambiguous?
Jul 24 16:02:39 <hrw> Crofton|home: not decided yet - probably south europe
Jul 24 16:02:50 <hrw> Crofton|home: for sure not usa
Jul 24 16:04:48 <Crofton|home> ah you are not on the euro yet?
Jul 24 16:05:06 <hrw> Crofton|home: ?
Jul 24 16:05:35 <Crofton|home> the usd/euro exchange rate should make the US attractive, in spite of air fares and politics :)
Jul 24 16:06:11 <Crofton|home> but, south europe is also nice
Jul 24 16:06:39 <hrw> Crofton|home: 1. usa needs visa 2. usa has strange rights when it comes to nearly everything 3. it means long flight
Jul 24 16:07:15 <hrw> Crofton|home: usd/anything exchange rate just show that usd is going to be paper value
Jul 24 16:08:14 <hrw> Crofton|home: now usd has lowest value in poland for over 11 years 
Jul 24 16:08:15 <Crofton|home> Hopefully we can improve 1 and 2 in 547 days
Jul 24 16:08:27 <hrw> why 547?
Jul 24 16:08:31 <koen> new elections
Jul 24 16:08:38 <koen> or rather end of term :)
Jul 24 16:08:39 <Crofton|home> The Bush countdown clock :)
Jul 24 16:08:48 <Crofton|home> January 22, 2009
Jul 24 16:09:32 <Crofton|home> at any rate, have a good honeymoon
Jul 24 16:09:40 <Crofton|home> it really does not matter where you go
Jul 24 16:11:59 <Crofton|home> koen, what is the best way to apply the diff?
Jul 24 16:12:10 <koen> patch -p1 ?
Jul 24 16:12:14 <koen> or p0
Jul 24 16:12:15 <Crofton|home> to simple
Jul 24 16:12:24 <Crofton|home> I was reading mtn manual :)
Jul 24 16:12:41 <koen> I accidentally did the changes on a machine that can't push
Jul 24 16:12:56 <Crofton|home> heh
Jul 24 16:12:59 <zecke> do you mind national holidays for OEDEM?
Jul 24 16:15:13 <Crofton|home> http://nationalnightmare.com/?gclid=CISf5_rKwI0CFQV5Pgodm3PtLg
Jul 24 16:17:05 <zecke> Crofton|home: if you like that to go to hideapod.com
Jul 24 16:18:04 <Crofton|home> cool
Jul 24 16:18:30 <zecke> hrw: koen: mickeyl: youa re going to join OEDEM as well?
Jul 24 16:18:39 <koen> I hope so
Jul 24 16:18:45 <mickeyl> i have a problem wrt to the date
Jul 24 16:18:56 <hrw> zecke: I will be at oedem - probably with Ania
Jul 24 16:19:04 <koen> however, a big part october is exam time
Jul 24 16:19:05 <mickeyl> Sabine and me are going to have a 2 weeks vacation end of September / early October
Jul 24 16:19:14 <woglinde> koen yes for me too
Jul 24 16:19:22 <mickeyl> so finding a proper date will be tough
Jul 24 16:19:31 <Crofton|home> create a web page
Jul 24 16:19:39 <woglinde> hehe
Jul 24 16:19:40 <Crofton|home> and have everyone delete dates
Jul 24 16:19:48 <koen> everyone should by a zune2!
Jul 24 16:20:00 <koen> and a golfgps!
Jul 24 16:20:12 <steliosk> Crofotn|home : too "democratic". OEDEM will never happen :)
Jul 24 16:20:15 <koen> </inside guadec joke>
Jul 24 16:20:35 <zecke> mickeyl: earcly october == 3rd of it?
Jul 24 16:21:04 <zecke> steliosk: I try to find a date where the pople I like will come, and the others can't but I don't have to deny their presence ;)
Jul 24 16:21:33 <steliosk> hehe
Jul 24 16:21:47 <mickeyl> zecke: we didn't book yet, but it looks like earlier than the 7th will be impossible for me
Jul 24 16:22:14 <zecke> 15th october is the start of my term
Jul 24 16:22:24 <mickeyl> i know
Jul 24 16:22:27 <mickeyl> we should do it before that
Jul 24 16:22:50 <zecke> mickeyl: lol, I didn't know it until one minute, why do you know that? :)
Jul 24 16:23:06 <zecke> mickeyl: marcin can't from the 11-16h t-dose is on 13-14th
Jul 24 16:23:06 <mickeyl> zecke: it's almost always the 2nd week of October
Jul 24 16:23:25 <zecke> mickeyl: you see a pattern. Now I should check the script for "Persoenlichkeits-typen"
Jul 24 16:23:42 <zecke> mickeyl: when are you departing in September?
Jul 24 16:24:01 <mickeyl> in the last week
Jul 24 16:24:05 <mickeyl> earlier, I'm not in germany though
Jul 24 16:24:11 <mickeyl> OSiM Madrid
Jul 24 16:24:16 <mickeyl> OpenExpo Zurich
Jul 24 16:24:31 <mickeyl> i see only 6th to 10th then
Jul 24 16:24:34 <zecke> mickeyl: change your nick to mr_wichtig :)
Jul 24 16:24:35 <woglinde> zecke haha
Jul 24 16:25:07 <mickeyl> more like mr.spreading.the.word.instead.of.doing.actual.development
Jul 24 16:25:14 <mickeyl> sigh
Jul 24 16:25:28 <zecke> mickeyl: I might get an evangelist as well :}
Jul 24 16:25:47 <hrw> mickeyl: maybe when those ordered phones hit people someone will start writing apps
Jul 24 16:25:50 <zecke> mickeyl: mr.making.small.children.cry.and.older.ones.comitting.suicide
Jul 24 16:26:23 <steliosk> hrw : Depends on how hard they hit them... :)
Jul 24 16:26:33 <zecke> mickeyl: as you are my mentor, and have absolute power over me let it be the 6th to the 10th
Jul 24 16:26:42 <mickeyl> hrw: i sincerely hope so
Jul 24 16:27:03 <mickeyl> zecke: heh. lets see how much acceptance that interval would get
Jul 24 16:27:14 <Crofton|home> mickeyl, for some reason I think this might interest your wife?
Jul 24 16:27:15 <Crofton|home> http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/9780596550059/index.html
Jul 24 16:27:15 <steliosk> usually its an "if you build it they will come" type of thing
Jul 24 16:27:23 <Crofton|home> if not, I blame old age
Jul 24 16:27:40 <steliosk> so mickeyl don't worry much. It will happen
Jul 24 16:27:47 <Crofton|home>  checking for extra flags to get ANSI library prototypes... configure: error: cannot run test program while cross compiling
Jul 24 16:28:00 <Crofton|home> koen, from the pkgconfig bb file you sent
Jul 24 16:28:20 <mickeyl> Crofton|home: possible. thanks, printing it out for her.
Jul 24 16:28:35 <Crofton|home> A friend of mine wrote it :)
Jul 24 16:28:55 <steliosk> zecke : So its 6th to 10th ?
Jul 24 16:29:02 <zecke> yes
Jul 24 16:30:00 <zecke> steliosk: you are going to join?
Jul 24 16:30:14 <Crofton|home> in Berlin?
Jul 24 16:30:24 <steliosk> if that's the date yes
Jul 24 16:30:28 <zecke> yes, the one across the ocean
Jul 24 16:31:23 <steliosk> zecke :i will be in the US till the end of September so its good for me
Jul 24 16:32:12 <mickeyl> RP: would 6h to 10th work for you?
Jul 24 16:32:17 <mickeyl> RP: Oct., that is
Jul 24 16:32:28 <zecke> mickeyl: don't give people choice
Jul 24 16:32:46 <mickeyl> :D
Jul 24 16:33:02 <mickeyl> that's a habit... free software...choice... you know ;)
Jul 24 16:33:21 <Crofton|home> $716 round trip 
Jul 24 16:33:32 <mickeyl> but worth every single penny ;)
Jul 24 16:33:34 <hrw> 5-9 Oct 
Jul 24 16:33:46 <Crofton|home> 518 euro
Jul 24 16:33:48 <zecke> Crofton|home: you are invited as well, but it is not Dublin/Ireland but we can brew stuff as well
Jul 24 16:33:52 <hrw> Ania needs to be in Poland at 10 Oct
Jul 24 16:33:57 <Crofton|home> what is round trip from berlin To Roanoke Virginia?
Jul 24 16:34:25 <zecke> hrw: the whole day? can you just leave early?
Jul 24 16:35:17 <hrw> zecke: 11 Oct she needs to be in Cracow
Jul 24 16:35:35 * steliosk has a feeling people will remember OEDEM as the "drunken dev's meeting" 
Jul 24 16:36:09 <hrw> steliosk: we gets drunk only during evening
Jul 24 16:36:20 * Crofton|home needs to find someone willing to pay me to travel
Jul 24 16:36:38 <hrw> ~curse berlin airports
Jul 24 16:36:40 <ibot> May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, berlin airports !
Jul 24 16:37:17 <zecke> oh now, but they switched to Vista already :(
Jul 24 16:37:22 <zecke> s/now/no/
Jul 24 16:37:50 <steliosk> zecke : The hotel you mentioned is close by right ?
Jul 24 16:38:42 <zecke> steliosk: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Novalisstra%C3%9Fe+10,+10115+Mitte,+Berlin,+Germany&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=32.059939,74.179688&ie=UTF8&ll=52.529355,13.388214&spn=0.01201,0.036221&z=15&iwloc=addr&om=1
Jul 24 16:39:10 <zecke> steliosk: the hotel is close to the crossing of tieckstrasse, borsigstrasse
Jul 24 16:39:19 <zecke> and my flat is ackerstrasse
Jul 24 16:41:11 <steliosk> zecke : thanks. Once the dates are set i can make the reservations 
Jul 24 16:42:56 <steliosk> zecke : Would the facility have inet access ?
Jul 24 16:43:14 <steliosk> zecke : facility where the OEDEM will happen
Jul 24 16:44:02 <hrw> bye
Jul 24 16:44:29 <woglinde> steliosk yes
Jul 24 16:44:34 <woglinde> wlan
Jul 24 16:44:37 <zecke> steliosk: 2mbit sdsl... or 18 wlans you could hack
Jul 24 16:45:21 <steliosk> I am asking, so if there is interest to setup access to our icecc compile cluster for the coding session
Jul 24 16:45:36 <zecke> steliosk: we might not have a coding session :)
Jul 24 16:45:57 <steliosk> 4 days of talking ?
Jul 24 16:46:32 <Crofton|home> 1 day of talking, 3 days of drinking :)
Jul 24 16:46:34 <zecke> steliosk: yes. Could you sell four days of hacking and drinking to your wife?
Jul 24 16:47:04 <steliosk> after 3 weeks in the US, it will be difficult to sell her anything 
Jul 24 16:48:01 <Crofton|home> sell her on a trip to Berlin?
Jul 24 16:48:24 <woglinde> crofton lol
Jul 24 16:48:26 <zecke> steliosk: bring your wife and make marcin and mickeyl bring their wifes as well
Jul 24 16:48:28 <woglinde> 4 camels?
Jul 24 16:48:31 <RP> mickeyl, zecke 6-10th Oct is ok with me
Jul 24 16:49:15 <Crofton|home> koen, http://pastebin.ca/632144
Jul 24 16:49:24 <steliosk> well she can't fly. she is 6 months pregnant now, so in October it will be impossible
Jul 24 16:49:46 <koen> Crofton|home: pkgconfig-native is the one you want
Jul 24 16:49:54 <Crofton|home> steliosk, brave man to travel at that time 
Jul 24 16:50:23 <koen> Crofton|home: ignore the qa staging part
Jul 24 16:50:25 <steliosk> that's why i said its will be difficult to sale anything
Jul 24 16:52:34 <Crofton|home> They QA errors confuse me
Jul 24 16:53:02 <woglinde> steliosk hm
Jul 24 16:53:03 <Crofton|home> maybe not
Jul 24 16:55:06 * koen checks his course schedule
Jul 24 16:55:26 <koen> Crofton|home: if it compiles, commit it
Jul 24 16:55:36 <Crofton|home> -native compiles
Jul 24 16:55:37 <koen> Crofton|home: it's default_pref = -1, so it does no harm
Jul 24 16:55:45 <Crofton|home> the other does not
Jul 24 16:55:57 <koen> getting the cross one to work is a matter of poking at sitefiles
Jul 24 16:55:58 <Crofton|home> it does solve my immedaite problem
Jul 24 16:56:10 <Crofton|home> and gets me back to libtool sucking issues
Jul 24 16:56:12 <Crofton|home> yeah
Jul 24 16:56:16 <Crofton|home> ok, will push
Jul 24 16:59:09 <koen> zecke: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=nl&geocode=&q=Novalisstrasse+10,+Berlin,+Germany&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.396866,86.748047&ie=UTF8&ll=52.533558,13.396111&spn=0.025792,0.084715&z=14&iwloc=addr&om=1
Jul 24 16:59:50 <zecke> koen: yes? that is the dutch version?
Jul 24 17:00:06 <koen> no, that's for people to lazy to type in the address ;)
Jul 24 17:01:44 <zecke> koen: how does that compare with the link above?
Jul 24 17:02:35 <koen> it shows where OEDEM is
Jul 24 17:04:12 <koen> http://tinyurl.com/2bdqkz is funny
Jul 24 17:06:26 <koen> zecke: my attendance depends on my financial situation
Jul 24 17:06:51 <zecke> koen: how much do you need?
Jul 24 17:07:24 <koen> from 'nothing' to 'travel + lodging'
Jul 24 17:07:47 <chouimat> koen ask for 100K ;)
Jul 24 17:08:10 <koen> zecke: mickeyl mentioned something about FIC sponsorship
Jul 24 17:10:58 <zecke> koen: lodging, I have a tent or you can crash in my flat
Jul 24 17:11:21 <koen> crashing at your place would be ok
Jul 24 17:12:28 <zecke> koen: as your gsoc money bought t-shirts the last time, I can either buy t-shirts or your train ticket (one way to the nearest gulag)
Jul 24 17:13:09 <koen> zecke: it never hurts to ask $big-company for funding :)
Jul 24 17:13:57 <Crofton|home> crashing into things is bad : http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/wb/125441
Jul 24 17:14:52 <zecke> Crofton|home: no photo?
Jul 24 17:15:04 <Crofton|home> I'll get one from my friend
Jul 24 17:15:14 <Crofton|home> sadly all we had was a cell phone :(
Jul 24 17:20:35 <mickeyl> i think TT should sponsor OEDEM this time.
Jul 24 17:21:28 <koen> TT, FIC, IBM, whatever :)
Jul 24 17:23:15 <woglinde> food
Jul 24 17:24:27 <woglinde> 19 pizzas for everyone
Jul 24 17:24:31 <woglinde> ups 10
Jul 24 17:29:08 <steliosk> Anyone made an actually count of how many packages/recipes are in OE now ?
Jul 24 17:29:16 <Crofton|home> koen, I am pushing the pkgconfig stuff now. Need to pack some clothes
Jul 24 17:29:43 <steliosk> There is a 4K number mentioned in some presentations but is it true ?
Jul 24 17:31:02 <Crofton|home> [balister@localhost org.openembedded.dev]$ ls -lR | grep bb$ | wc -l
Jul 24 17:31:02 <Crofton|home> 4811
Jul 24 17:31:48 <Crofton|home> [balister@localhost packages]$ ls -ld * | wc -l 
Jul 24 17:31:48 <Crofton|home> 1556
Jul 24 17:32:19 <Crofton|home> we have multiple bb files for differenet versions of th smae package
Jul 24 17:32:53 <steliosk> yeah i thought there could not be that many actual packages
Jul 24 17:37:11 <koen> I guestimate ~2300 unique recipes
Jul 24 17:39:13 <steliosk> so its like 2000+ unique recipes and 4800 in total
Jul 24 17:39:35 <koen> sounds ok
Jul 24 17:41:03 <koen> koen@bitbake:~/OE/monotone/org.openembedded.dev/packages$ find . -name *.bb | awk -F_ '{print $1}'  | grep -v native | sort | uniq | wc -l 
Jul 24 17:41:03 <koen> 2856
Jul 24 17:43:11 * Crofton|home bows down to koen 
Jul 24 17:43:29 <koen> what did I (not) do now?
Jul 24 17:43:50 <steliosk> i think its for the scripting :)
Jul 24 17:43:57 <Crofton|home> your knowledge of command line utilities
Jul 24 17:44:29 <koen> I suspect you could even do it with only one awk incantation
Jul 24 17:46:32 <steliosk> One more question. OPIE is now working/non working ?
Jul 24 17:46:54 <koen> 'not dead, but smells that way'
Jul 24 17:47:29 <steliosk> so its basically GPE 
Jul 24 17:47:47 <koen> X + custom set of apps?
Jul 24 17:48:46 <CIA-3> 03crofton 07org.oe.dev * re23d2e22... 10/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
Jul 24 17:48:46 <CIA-3> pkgconfig : Add support for pkgconfig-0.22. DEFAULT_PREF = -1 pending
Jul 24 17:48:46 <CIA-3>  further testing. pkconfig-0.22.bb does not build. Native
Jul 24 17:48:46 <CIA-3>  version builds and corrects at least one issue with older
Jul 24 17:48:46 <CIA-3>  pkgconfig.
Jul 24 17:52:58 <woglinde> steliosk opie works but proper support for 2.6 kernel is missing
Jul 24 17:53:22 <steliosk> woglinde : which platform ?
Jul 24 17:53:34 <woglinde> simpad for example works
Jul 24 17:53:37 <woglinde> even with uclibc
Jul 24 18:00:19 * koen notes that germany has sane powerplugs and an understandable language
Jul 24 18:01:21 <koen> mickeyl: when can I start asking for openmoko release tarballs?
Jul 24 18:01:21 <woglinde> lol
Jul 24 18:01:58 <zecke> woglinde: are you going to join me tomorrow night?
Jul 24 18:02:27 <koen> why does almost everything in OSX block on IO?
Jul 24 18:02:56 * chouimat|busy is compiling KDE4 on his old p200mmx ... just for the fun of it :)
Jul 24 18:03:26 <woglinde> I shoud file some QA bugs
Jul 24 18:03:43 <woglinde> dbus and bash putting files in $STAGING_DIR
Jul 24 18:07:57 <drmikecrowe> Hi folks, after I install OE, can I delete OE.mtn (~170M)?
Jul 24 18:08:57 <steliosk> better not if don't want to download it again for getting updates
Jul 24 18:09:01 <koen> NOTE: package gcc-4.2.1-r0: task do_patch: completed
Jul 24 18:12:27 <drmikecrowe> steliosk: Thanks.  Good point. 
Jul 24 18:24:35 <CIA-3> 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * rf3fa3f06... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/preferred-opie-versions-1.2.3-pre.inc): preferred-opie-versions-1.2.3-pre: Bump SRCDATE to 20070724.
Jul 24 18:24:41 <CIA-3> 03pfalcon 07org.oe.dev * r28e581a2... 10/ (1 packages/opie-alarm/opie-alarm_cvs.bb): opie-alarm: Use proper-for-upstream PR.
Jul 24 18:27:20 <CIA-3> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * reedae6b6... 10/ (1 classes/sanity.bbclass): sanity.bbclass: add help2man to required utils (apt-get install help2man) in preparation for autoconf 2.61 activation
Jul 24 18:51:35 <wirelessdreamer> i'm working on a bb file and having trouble getting a patch i made to apply at all, anyone willing to help me, i'm just trying to change one line of an include file
Jul 24 18:52:16 <woglinde> hm
Jul 24 18:52:19 <woglinde> I can help
Jul 24 18:52:38 <wirelessdreamer> *** include/ad.h        2007-07-23 10:27:40.000000000 +0000
Jul 24 18:52:38 <wirelessdreamer> --- include/ad.h        2007-07-23 10:27:30.000000000 +0000
Jul 24 18:52:38 <wirelessdreamer> ***************
Jul 24 18:52:38 <wirelessdreamer> *** 122,130 ****
Jul 24 18:52:38 <wirelessdreamer>   #include <audio/Alib.h>
Jul 24 18:52:38 <wirelessdreamer>   
Jul 24 18:52:40 <wirelessdreamer>   #elif defined(AD_BACKEND_ALSA)
Jul 24 18:52:42 <wirelessdreamer>   
Jul 24 18:52:44 <wirelessdreamer> ! #include <sys/asoundlib.h>
Jul 24 18:52:46 <wirelessdreamer>   
Jul 24 18:52:48 <wirelessdreamer>   #elif defined(AD_BACKEND_IRIX)
Jul 24 18:52:50 <wirelessdreamer>   
Jul 24 18:52:52 <wirelessdreamer>   #include <dmedia/audio.h>
Jul 24 18:52:54 <wirelessdreamer> --- 122,130 ----
Jul 24 18:52:56 <wirelessdreamer>   #include <audio/Alib.h>
Jul 24 18:52:58 <wirelessdreamer>   
Jul 24 18:53:00 <wirelessdreamer>   #elif defined(AD_BACKEND_ALSA)
Jul 24 18:53:02 <wirelessdreamer>   
Jul 24 18:53:04 <wirelessdreamer> ! #include <alsa/asoundlib.h>
Jul 24 18:53:06 <wirelessdreamer>   
Jul 24 18:53:08 <wirelessdreamer>   #elif defined(AD_BACKEND_IRIX)
Jul 24 18:53:10 <wirelessdreamer>   
Jul 24 18:53:12 <wirelessdreamer>   #include <dmedia/audio.h>
Jul 24 18:53:16 <wirelessdreamer> SRC_URI = "${SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR}/sourceforge/cmusphinx/sphinxbase-${PV}.tar.bz2 \
Jul 24 18:53:18 <woglinde> args
Jul 24 18:53:18 <wirelessdreamer>            file://alsa-path.patch;patch=1"
Jul 24 18:53:20 <wirelessdreamer> but the patch always errors out with the wrong patch
Jul 24 18:53:25 <woglinde> ~pastebin
Jul 24 18:53:26 <ibot> extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try  http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well
Jul 24 18:53:27 <koen> ~pastebin
Jul 24 18:53:43 <wirelessdreamer> k
Jul 24 18:53:47 <woglinde> damnit
Jul 24 18:53:50 <wirelessdreamer> sry
Jul 24 18:53:57 <woglinde> one time I forget to say paste it on pastebin
Jul 24 18:53:58 <koen> and use unified patches
Jul 24 18:54:02 <koen> (diff -Nurd)
Jul 24 18:54:11 <woglinde> or mtn diff
Jul 24 18:56:04 <koen> I don't think alsa is using mtn
Jul 24 18:56:29 <woglinde> koen hm yes
Jul 24 18:56:31 <woglinde> sorry
Jul 24 18:56:49 <wirelessdreamer> when i manually patched that include i can get sphinxbase tocompile fine
Jul 24 18:56:49 <woglinde> maybe when edit .bb
Jul 24 18:57:01 <wirelessdreamer> i'm still not used to alot of the nuances of oe though
Jul 24 18:58:07 <koen> XorA|gone: I started a build with autoconf 2.61 and pkgconfig 0.22
Jul 24 18:58:34 <Crofton> koen, just remember, non-native does nto build
Jul 24 18:58:51 <Crofton> but I don't think we would have much that uses pkgconfig
Jul 24 18:58:54 <koen> Crofton: don't need that :)
Jul 24 18:59:00 <Crofton> :)
Jul 24 18:59:25 <XorA|gone> koen: cool
Jul 24 18:59:29 <Crofton> I just don't like the idea of having tio there, but there is no reason why we would need the same version in both places ...
Jul 24 18:59:35 <XorA|gone> koen: Im running a pure autoconf 2.61 build
Jul 24 18:59:50 <CIA-3> 03koen 07org.oe.dev * raa744207... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko-apps/openmoko-rssreader_svn.bb): openmoko-rssreader: depend on webkit
Jul 24 18:59:54 <koen> Crofton: -native includes the non-native recipe
Jul 24 19:00:18 <Crofton> yeah
Jul 24 19:00:38 <koen> and fixing the cross one is just a matter of sitefiles
Jul 24 19:00:46 <Crofton> I suspect the configure patch needs hacking to get it to cross build
Jul 24 19:15:32 <wirelessdreamer>  is it ok to use this in a bb? "install -m 0644 include/*.h ${STAGING_INCDIR}/sphinxbase/
Jul 24 19:15:41 <wirelessdreamer> " :)
Jul 24 19:17:54 <woglinde> yes
Jul 24 19:18:12 <wirelessdreamer> thanks :)
Jul 24 19:26:57 <steliosk> bye everyone
Jul 24 20:27:27 <koen> 'night all
Jul 24 20:29:28 <woglinde> nite koen
Jul 24 20:29:31 <woglinde> sleep well
Jul 24 20:34:38 <psokolovsky_> polyonymous_: just posted RFC for official OPIE support in angstrom. Please review and see if I missed anything.
Jul 24 20:35:07 <polyonymous_> ok
Jul 24 20:35:36 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Awake?
Jul 24 20:36:44 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: aye, I wanted to switch off the notebook but my sith power tells me you want to talk about something (probably OEDEM or building rssreader)
Jul 24 20:36:57 <woglinde> lol
Jul 24 20:37:19 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: heh, later one. It seems your own autobuilder hates you. ;)
Jul 24 20:37:31 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: But tell me more about OEDEM
Jul 24 20:37:41 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: Place is fixed now?
Jul 24 20:38:37 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: http://x09.xanga.com/c82d937350c3047432991/b11266362.jpg
Jul 24 20:38:50 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: my office, 6th to 10th october
Jul 24 20:39:19 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: WebKit, koen might have fixed the webkit build
Jul 24 20:39:37 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: merge the files and deps (qmake-qt4, gperf-native)
Jul 24 20:40:43 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: hmm, berlin. october. Invitation only or also for OE newbies?
Jul 24 20:40:56 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: webkit, I take a look tomorrow.
Jul 24 20:41:19 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: sleep well
Jul 24 20:41:23 <polyonymous> psokolovsky_, looks fine to me. I'd reorder it, though, I'd put build issues (angstrom-opie-image?) first and remove "unofficial" tag next.
Jul 24 20:41:28 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: well, I would start to study now :)
Jul 24 20:41:49 <psokolovsky_> ;-)
Jul 24 20:42:00 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: heh
Jul 24 20:42:39 <flo_lap> re
Jul 24 20:42:46 <flo_lap> hi greentux 
Jul 24 20:43:20 <greentux> hi flo_lap 
Jul 24 20:43:22 <woglinde> re florian
Jul 24 20:43:30 <greentux> what ist _lap flo_lap ?
Jul 24 20:44:29 <flo_lap> greentux: "laptop" :)
Jul 24 20:44:40 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: oh and my autobuilder really hates me :)
Jul 24 20:44:50 <greentux> flo_lap:  ah, not lapland
Jul 24 20:45:10 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: That's because he has to do all the stupid work for you. :)
Jul 24 20:45:43 <zecke> stefan_schmidt:  /home/oe/autobuild/trees/incremental/openembedded/packages/mtd/mtd-utils-native_1.0.0+git.bb is broken
Jul 24 20:45:53 <zecke> stefan_schmidt: and made bitbake exit with an unhandled exception
Jul 24 20:46:30 <stefan_schmidt> zecke: ah, alphaone discovered the same problem today
Jul 24 20:46:47 <flo_lap> greentux: hehe no :)
Jul 24 20:47:05 <alphaone> zecke: Yeah, but I had no time yet to fix it..
Jul 24 20:47:41 <zecke> hehe
Jul 24 20:47:48 <zecke> anyway off to studying
Jul 24 20:48:09 <woglinde> zecke mafi3?
Jul 24 20:48:23 <zecke> woglinde: no "Empirische Bewertung in der Informatik"
Jul 24 20:48:31 <zecke> t.test(woglinde)
Jul 24 20:48:48 <woglinde> oh
Jul 24 20:48:54 <woglinde> hm
Jul 24 20:48:59 <woglinde> war die nicht gestern?
Jul 24 20:49:02 <woglinde> ups
Jul 24 20:49:11 <woglinde> wasnt the exam yesterday?
Jul 24 20:53:21 <psokolovsky_> polyonymous: any thought on how we'll add 1.2.3 to OE? %)
Jul 24 20:53:37 <polyonymous> uhh.. I'm so used to cvs :)))
Jul 24 20:53:48 <polyonymous> how do they release?
Jul 24 20:53:48 <psokolovsky_> yep ;-)
Jul 24 20:54:27 <zecke> woglinde: I'm special and have a time machine
Jul 24 20:55:02 <woglinde> damnit
Jul 24 20:55:07 <psokolovsky_> polyonymous: tag in CVS
Jul 24 20:55:29 <zecke> woglinde: are you going to join me in tomorrows hacking session?
Jul 24 20:55:43 <polyonymous> psokolovsky_, ah. That shouldn't be a big deal. big tarball would be much more hassle :)
Jul 24 20:55:58 <woglinde> zecke sorry no
Jul 24 20:56:02 <psokolovsky_> polyonymous: zillions of recipes is the hassle
Jul 24 20:56:11 <woglinde> I have to work and basketball in the evening
Jul 24 20:56:13 <zecke> psokolovsky_: polyonymous : I might my script to do the rename + sed
Jul 24 20:56:21 <psokolovsky_> polyonymous: now think that we need to duplicate and edit ~100 files
Jul 24 20:56:37 <zecke> psokolovsky_: polyonymous : you just say the old and new number and it mtn moves all files
Jul 24 20:56:38 <woglinde> ouch
Jul 24 20:56:43 <psokolovsky_> zecke: ;-) cool. but what about automating it right in OE?
Jul 24 20:56:51 <polyonymous> psokolovsky_, here comes the solution :)
Jul 24 20:57:06 <zecke> psokolovsky_: I could put it into contrib?
Jul 24 20:57:08 <psokolovsky_> zecke: it's not that easy actually due to patches
Jul 24 20:57:24 <polyonymous> like mickeyl said - the good thing about opensource is that when you have a problem there's almost always someone with a solution lurking on the channel :)
Jul 24 20:57:25 <zecke> psokolovsky_: this is how we did it for prior opie releases
Jul 24 20:57:39 <psokolovsky_> zecke: if it's in python, please put ;-)
Jul 24 20:57:45 <zecke> ;)
Jul 24 20:58:02 <zecke> psokolovsky_: I have to search it tomorrow, mickeyl might have a copy in the inbox
Jul 24 20:58:06 <polyonymous> well, patches should be taken care of manually, I'd think, but it's not that much of a problem.
Jul 24 20:58:17 <polyonymous> Why python? shouldn't it be in bash at most? :)
Jul 24 20:58:34 <psokolovsky_> zecke: ok, maybe I'll lose patience and hack such script myself then ;-)
Jul 24 20:58:54 <zecke> psokolovsky_: my script is  mature and has done it three times
Jul 24 20:59:09 <psokolovsky_> does it have unit tests? ;-)
Jul 24 20:59:09 <zecke> psokolovsky_: your script fill forgot files not named 'opie' like libqpe, qpe...
Jul 24 20:59:28 <polyonymous> if it's mature, than it's not your script anymore, he's probably grew up and is gone in the wild now :)
Jul 24 20:59:31 <zecke> psokolovsky_: sure. It is called OpenSource  geek
Jul 24 20:59:40 <zecke> polyonymous: this is why I have to search it
Jul 24 20:59:45 <polyonymous> zecke, :))
Jul 24 20:59:47 <zecke> polyonymous: maybe it is in second life?
Jul 24 20:59:49 <psokolovsky_> zecke: your script will anyway need to be hacked to act on *_cvs
Jul 24 20:59:54 <polyonymous> oh god, hope not.
Jul 24 21:24:41 <Philippe> mhh, uimoc4-native keeps failing for me...
Jul 24 21:24:42 <Philippe>  /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lz
Jul 24 21:24:58 <Philippe> Anybody seen the same issue?
Jul 24 21:25:16 <woglinde> no
Jul 24 21:25:33 <woglinde> but I didnt build qt4 right now with oe
Jul 24 21:25:49 <polyonymous> I have..
Jul 24 21:26:05 <polyonymous> javem
Jul 24 21:26:11 <polyonymous> haven't seen it either,though.
Jul 24 21:26:14 <Philippe> hmmm, the thing is that libz is installed on my system, so it should work. Unless OE does something weird.
Jul 24 21:26:17 <polyonymous> do we have zlib-native?
Jul 24 21:26:32 <polyonymous> well...
Jul 24 21:26:41 <polyonymous> wish I could reproduce
Jul 24 21:26:44 <woglinde> polyonymous yes we have
Jul 24 21:27:09 <Philippe> polyonymous: that is an idea... 
Jul 24 21:27:11 <polyonymous> could it be a missing dep then? I'd think it's a very basic dep, though.
Jul 24 21:27:15 <polyonymous> try building it, Philippe 
Jul 24 21:27:50 <woglinde> zlib-natvie
Jul 24 21:27:51 <woglinde> I wrote the autotools patch
Jul 24 21:28:14 <Philippe> zlib-native is not build. Lets see if it works,
Jul 24 21:28:55 <jonb> koen, you here?
Jul 24 21:30:08 <woglinde> jonb is gone to bed
Jul 24 21:30:11 <woglinde> hi btw.
Jul 24 21:30:19 <jonb> Oh, OK
Jul 24 21:30:28 <jonb> I have got the NBP back to WinCE
Jul 24 21:30:45 <jonb> In other words, it's OK to try Linux, you can revert if you want.
Jul 24 21:31:05 <jonb> Sorry WL, hi 
Jul 24 21:31:29 <jonb> If you see him on here, could you pass a message
Jul 24 21:31:44 <jonb> I need to talk to him about intellectual proerty.
Jul 24 21:31:48 <jonb> Cheers
Jul 24 21:31:51 <polyonymous> I'd put it the other way. it's okay to try wince, you can revert, because you surely do want.
Jul 24 21:31:53 <woglinde> leave botmail
Jul 24 21:32:16 <jonb> poly, the device comes with wince
Jul 24 21:32:33 <jonb> not everyone wants to struggle with linux
Jul 24 21:32:41 <jonb> be honest, it can be a struggle
Jul 24 21:32:51 <polyonymous> what a pity. That is probably the reason why you want to talk about intellectual property :)
Jul 24 21:32:52 <jonb> wog : can't be arsed
Jul 24 21:33:07 <polyonymous> And I'd say dealing with win* is a struggle :)
Jul 24 21:33:08 <Philippe> hi jonb 
Jul 24 21:33:09 <psokolovsky_> jonb: or it can be much easier, if done right. Already tried haret?
Jul 24 21:33:20 <jonb> Oh, hello Philippe
Jul 24 21:33:34 <jonb> got anything for me?
Jul 24 21:33:35 <Philippe> jonb: seems I missed you a few times lately
Jul 24 21:33:54 <jonb> Never mine. I spent alot of time worrying I'd bricked my Pro
Jul 24 21:34:03 <jonb> But today I got it working
Jul 24 21:34:16 <Philippe> jonb: unfortunately not. I joined the nbp port project pretty late and never had to deal with boost very much
Jul 24 21:34:25 <Philippe> jonb: sounds good!
Jul 24 21:34:35 <jonb> Not to worry. I go tthe knoledge.
Jul 24 21:34:43 <jonb> God my spelling
Jul 24 21:34:51 <jonb> gotta go wife is calling
Jul 24 21:35:04 <Philippe> jonb: ok :-)
Jul 24 21:35:04 <woglinde> bye jonb
Jul 24 21:35:10 <jonb> send me an eMail Phillipe, there's news.
Jul 24 21:35:14 <jonb> Thansk all
Jul 24 21:35:23 <jonb> I mean "Thanks all!"
Jul 24 21:35:29 <jonb> nighty night
Jul 24 21:45:24 <Philippe> grr, uimoc still does not build... zlib-native does not seem to be a dep
Jul 24 21:45:54 <polyonymous> hmm.. lemme try rebuilding here
Jul 24 21:46:51 <Philippe> polyonymous: must be something wrong with my g++
Jul 24 21:47:07 <polyonymous> well, gcc-native should be about the same..
Jul 24 21:47:14 <polyonymous> besides you were talking about ld
Jul 24 21:48:15 <Philippe> well it is a g++ call that gets redirected to ld
Jul 24 21:48:41 <polyonymous> of course.
Jul 24 21:48:55 * polyonymous is baking uicmoc4-native
Jul 24 21:49:14 <Philippe> hmm, seems there are a number of updates for g++, libstdc++ etc atm for my machine... maybe that will help
Jul 24 21:49:42 <polyonymous> Philippe, was that the old pull?
Jul 24 21:50:55 <Philippe> polyonymous: specify old pull...
Jul 24 21:51:04 <polyonymous> Philippe, just tell me how old? :)
Jul 24 21:51:11 <Philippe> my OE tree is definitely not older than 2 days
Jul 24 21:51:16 <polyonymous> ah ok
Jul 24 21:51:23 <polyonymous> that's not old
Jul 24 21:51:43 <polyonymous> let's see if my uicmoc4-native builds..
Jul 24 22:02:01 <polyonymous> Philippe, completed...
Jul 24 22:02:59 <cdbot2> * * OE Bug 2680 has been created by rodrigo.vivi(AT)gmail.com
Jul 24 22:03:01 <cdbot2> * * Generating debian source files (.dsc)
Jul 24 22:03:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2680
Jul 24 22:11:51 <Philippe> polyonymous: ok thanks... so it must be something wrong with my system
Jul 24 22:12:07 <polyonymous> yup, I'd help you if I could reproduce...
Jul 24 22:12:18 <Philippe> I just have finished updating and rebuilding. I'll see what happens now
Jul 24 22:13:55 <Philippe> polyonymous: thanks anyway for trying. I'll check back later as I need to go to sleep
Jul 24 22:14:04 <polyonymous> Night:)
Jul 24 22:14:34 <polyonymous> maybe if I have time we can look into it again, with your pastebins, but now I'm too busy, anyway
Jul 24 22:51:59 <cdbot2> * * OE Bug 2681 has been created by arndt(AT)arndot.de
Jul 24 22:52:01 <cdbot2> * * 3 typos in help world example
Jul 24 22:52:03 <cdbot2> * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2681
Jul 24 22:58:10 <bipolar> Hello everyone.
Jul 24 22:58:31 <bipolar> Is anyone here using oe to make an image for a nokia n800?
Jul 24 23:02:38 <RP> bipolar: poky generates images for the nokia800 so it is possible
Jul 24 23:03:24 <RP> bipolar: http://pokylinux.org/autobuild/poky/2213/poky-image-sdk-nokia800-20070724014453.rootfs.jffs2
Jul 24 23:07:03 <bipolar> RP: cool.
Jul 24 23:07:09 <bipolar> RP: I'll start from there
Jul 24 23:07:19 <bipolar> Hopefuly the hardware is well supported
Jul 24 23:07:48 <RP> bipolar: I have mixed views on that ;-)
Jul 24 23:07:58 <CosmicPenguin> Uh-oh - thats the wrong guy to say that
Jul 24 23:09:23 <RP> Well, the wifi driver is binary only which is my main irritation
Jul 24 23:09:23 <ljp> bipolar: I am
Jul 24 23:09:30 <ljp> currently the kernel doesnt boot
Jul 24 23:09:42 <ljp> at least in angstrom
Jul 24 23:10:29 <bipolar> well... darn :\
Jul 24 23:10:34 <RP> Poky does, I tested those images today
Jul 24 23:10:59 <RP> There is a solution to the binary blob wifi, you just can't dsitribute the result...
Jul 24 23:11:05 <bipolar> RP: the wifi driver is binary only? I thought it was just the firmware....
Jul 24 23:11:22 <RP> bipolar: firmware and parts of the driver
Jul 24 23:11:32 <bipolar> Damn... that was stupid of Nokia...
Jul 24 23:12:04 <bipolar> You would have thought they would have studied up on their history a bit better.
Jul 24 23:12:23 <bipolar> One of the bigest pita the Zaurus had was a binary only SD card driver.
Jul 24 23:13:21 <RP> bipolar: That only applied to Collie, the other models were standard PXA controllers
Jul 24 23:13:21 <bipolar> RP: thanks... it's good to know something boots :)
Jul 24 23:13:27 <bipolar> RP: right...
Jul 24 23:13:56 <RP> bipolar: The first boot of poky images will fail, its a known problem with their wifi driver :-(
Jul 24 23:14:18 <RP> bipolar: We leave the initrd intact but can't set the symlinks up fast enough to stop the kernel crashing :-(
Jul 24 23:15:08 <bipolar> ahh.
Jul 24 23:15:24 <bipolar> I'm reading up on the pokylinux.org site...
Jul 24 23:17:35 <bipolar> hmm... poky might be a bit too specific for what I'd like to do.
Jul 24 23:18:03 <bipolar> looks very focused on the pimlico suite
Jul 24 23:18:17 <bipolar> which is cool, but not what I want to build
Jul 24 23:18:40 <RP> bipolar: right, but the machine configs are compatible with OE ;-)
Jul 24 23:18:58 <bipolar> RP: ahh... ic.
Jul 24 23:19:00 <RP> Things are roughly in sync anyway but that is the one I know works...
Jul 24 23:19:10 <bipolar> that should make it simpler to build an image
Jul 24 23:24:07 <ljp> is the radio binary?
Jul 24 23:25:21 <RP> bipolar: who, Nokia?
Jul 24 23:26:15 <ljp> ya
Jul 24 23:26:24 <ljp> oh.. heh
Jul 25 00:45:08 <jer> not looking for support, but i am looking for some kind of hardware compatibility list if one exists; any pointers?
Jul 25 01:02:27 <CIA-3> 03woglinde2 07org.oe.dev * rb9e4925c... 10/ (1 packages/ecj/ecj-native_3.3.bb): 
Jul 25 01:02:27 <CIA-3> -updating ecj to 3.3
Jul 25 01:02:27 <CIA-3> -its the first step to intgrate cacao-cldc in oe
Jul 25 01:02:32 <CIA-3> 03florian 07org.oe.dev * rc93406f7... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): cms92init: Add patch to work around broken install tools.
Jul 25 01:02:36 <CIA-3> 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r02677e20... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/libgpephone_0.4.bb): libgpephone: add 0.4
Jul 25 01:02:40 <CIA-3> 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r17fc8cf8... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/gpe-phonepanel_0.9.bb): gpe-phonepanel: add 0.9
Jul 25 01:02:44 <CIA-3> 03florian 07org.oe.dev * re465d944... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/gpe-applauncher_0.8.bb): gpe-applauncher: add 0.8
Jul 25 01:02:48 <CIA-3> 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r652a66c8... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/ptim-manager_svn.bb): ptim-manager: Make install more flexible agains gtk versions.
Jul 25 01:02:52 <CIA-3> 03florian 07org.oe.dev * r9877d1d4... 10/ (1 packages/gpephone/ptim-helper_svn.bb): ptim-helper: Add missing files to package.
Jul 25 01:39:05 <slapin_nb> RP, hi, are you awake?
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