**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 09 02:59:57 2007 Aug 09 03:23:04 Laibsch: Hey there...nice to see you here :) Aug 09 04:28:39 good morning Aug 09 04:37:01 mickey|ICE1092: good day to you, kind sir :) Aug 09 04:37:48 hey hvontres|home! up early today? Aug 09 04:39:30 mickey|ICE1092: naw, it's 21:40 over here... (PDT) Aug 09 04:40:01 oops. so much for timezones ;) Aug 09 04:40:44 mickey|ICE1092: I used to be able to get onto IRC at work, but the IT guys finally broke my setup... Aug 09 04:41:33 darn. ~lart IT guys in general Aug 09 04:45:32 hi, anyone can help me a bit? Aug 09 04:45:51 I got into some problems with sanity checker Aug 09 04:46:36 qpe-libgaim looks for host includes Aug 09 04:47:17 Marex: sorry, no clue there... Aug 09 04:47:26 humm ... ok, thanks anyway Aug 09 04:52:06 qpe-libgaim is old Aug 09 04:52:14 it possibly has bugs in the Makefile Aug 09 04:52:51 what does the log show? Aug 09 04:55:42 medee Aug 09 04:56:30 mickey|ICE1092, there was EXTRA_OE_CONF instead of EXTRA_OECONF in the .bb file Aug 09 04:56:42 but now it has a lot of compilation errors Aug 09 04:58:16 like... ? Aug 09 04:58:20 (pastebin.ca) Aug 09 04:58:50 I know ... just a sec, I accidentally recompiled qpe-gaim instead of qpe-libgaim Aug 09 04:59:06 mickey|ICE1092: http://pastebin.ca/650787 - I'm getting them too Aug 09 05:00:21 hmm, it's been long since i last touched anything Qt Aug 09 05:00:29 http://cmh.hackndev.com/pastebin/28/ Aug 09 05:00:31 lots of changes since i added all that stuff to OE Aug 09 05:00:32 this is what I am getting Aug 09 05:01:01 rwhitby: oh uh, where do all the parsing errors come from Aug 09 05:02:06 hmm Aug 09 05:02:23 i'm under windows atm. i'll reboot later and check from within linux Aug 09 05:02:29 didn't port OE to win yet ;) Aug 09 05:03:01 mickey|ICE1092, port win into OE :-B Aug 09 05:03:07 mickey|ICE1092: that's what VMWare is for ... Aug 09 06:43:59 who is working on the ixp4xx parts ? Aug 09 06:49:10 * rwhitby waves Aug 09 06:49:57 rwhitby, i having hard times to get this whole intel npe crap to work Aug 09 06:50:01 mickey|ICE1092: will OM2007.2 still use an SVN overlay? Aug 09 06:50:15 rob_w|laptop: the only thing we use from intel now is the microcode Aug 09 06:50:46 so will all NPE-A/B/C work with that ? Aug 09 06:52:07 dunno Aug 09 06:52:14 so which bb file do i need to lookat ? Aug 09 06:52:26 everything's in the kernel, except for the microcode Aug 09 06:52:35 ah ok Aug 09 06:52:58 and that's in packages/ixp4xx/ixp4xx-npe_2.3.2.bb Aug 09 06:53:44 send me something with more than one NPE being used, and I'll take a look at it ;-) Aug 09 06:54:45 ah well if i do that i need a confirmation on a timeline Aug 09 06:57:22 rob_w|laptop: that I cannot do Aug 09 06:57:48 rwhitby: no, at least not for users. Aug 09 06:57:56 internally maybe, but not for the official builds Aug 09 06:57:58 that should make things much easier Aug 09 06:58:24 internally being in om.com, or wider devs group? Aug 09 07:02:23 rwhitby: can't send PM while being unregistered. no overlay for OM2007.2 Aug 09 07:02:31 if we have to do things we can't in org.oe.dev we're going to branch in OE Aug 09 07:03:11 yeah also Kaloz told me intel IAL is crap Aug 09 07:04:02 mickey|ICE1092: so the whole .tw sw team will be commmitting to OE? Aug 09 07:06:28 that should keep us better in sync Aug 09 07:06:38 om.com devels only. all external ones should use the .dev (or our forthcoming branch) directly. Aug 09 07:07:06 we may not even use an overlay internally -- only if we have to build some proprietary stuff like gsm firmware update ipks or so Aug 09 07:07:09 rwhitby, i am running that kernel code currently and it downlaods the firmware from mtd Aug 09 07:07:31 rwhitby: yes. that's the idea. however we will add an own OE server and then push through our shiny new OE/OM maintainer's account. I dont want to give the .tw guys access to .dev Aug 09 07:07:40 (wearing my OE hat now ;) Aug 09 07:08:38 rob_w|laptop: yep, you can either install firmware from mtd, or push it into the /dev entry from a file. Aug 09 07:09:07 mickey|ICE1092: so mokomakefile should pull from OM's OE server when it comes on line? Aug 09 07:09:09 so the mtd will always carry the needed firmwares, right ? Aug 09 07:09:41 rob_w|laptop: you should be able to just concatenate multiple pieces of microcode into the one mtd partition Aug 09 07:10:11 i dont get this whole microcode crap .. Aug 09 07:11:13 don't get it, or don't like it? Aug 09 07:11:16 http://rafb.net/p/wFy1C710.html shows my firmware mtd loading message Aug 09 07:11:21 both Aug 09 07:11:57 rob_w|laptop: yep, that looks reasonable Aug 09 07:12:17 (for B and C at least) Aug 09 07:12:40 yeah .. C is also driving a 4 port switch on my board but only one port works .. Aug 09 07:12:56 NPE-A cannot be initialized at all which will crash my kernel Aug 09 07:13:09 we've never dealt with A before Aug 09 07:14:08 i see Aug 09 07:38:23 good morning all Aug 09 07:40:25 Hi Aug 09 07:45:45 morning all Aug 09 07:47:50 hey steliosk Aug 09 07:48:23 hi koen Aug 09 07:48:31 did you get asterisk 1.4 to compile ? Aug 09 07:48:47 no, it borks on pthread somewhere Aug 09 07:49:07 which machine ? Aug 09 07:49:24 I tried to fix the recursive configure, but I then decided that autotools.bbclass is broken in that regard Aug 09 07:50:16 its weird that it works on the slug thought.... or isn't ? Aug 09 07:50:54 dunno Aug 09 07:51:07 I bet slugos doesn't use phtreads Aug 09 07:51:25 morning Aug 09 07:51:36 i'll get it going for x86 first and then see how it goes Aug 09 07:51:42 XorA : hi Aug 09 07:55:39 koen: okay Aug 09 07:56:34 morning Aug 09 07:56:42 hey hrw & zecke Aug 09 07:58:27 ~curse ISP Aug 09 07:58:28 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, ISP ! Aug 09 07:58:36 ~curse ISP twice Aug 09 07:58:37 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, ISP twice ! Aug 09 07:58:40 first broken routing for a day, now they killed the line Aug 09 07:58:57 * koen watches the lack of green leds on the cable modem Aug 09 07:59:06 koen|gprs? Aug 09 07:59:28 yes Aug 09 07:59:57 koen|gprs: we found first but in installkit Aug 09 08:00:02 s/but/bug Aug 09 08:00:14 minimal image does not req kernel Aug 09 08:00:55 I don't think I understand Aug 09 08:01:06 install kit pack image and kernel Aug 09 08:01:13 minimal image does not build kernel Aug 09 08:01:28 so creating installkit fails due to lack of kernel image Aug 09 08:01:45 aha Aug 09 08:02:03 I thought you meant 'minimal image doesn't need kernel to work' Aug 09 08:02:09 ;) Aug 09 08:02:17 * koen|gprs is still a bit sleepy Aug 09 08:02:27 so installkit stuff should add kernel into depends probably Aug 09 08:02:42 or even minimal image should depend on kernel Aug 09 08:03:04 because to boot minimal image you need kernel even if it is not in image Aug 09 08:15:12 <_law_> hi does anybody else get errors whils parsing opie .bb files? Aug 09 08:15:18 <_law_> s/whils/while Aug 09 08:15:51 morning all Aug 09 08:15:55 hi Aug 09 08:16:00 hello all Aug 09 08:16:22 excuse me where may I monitor the news in the OE scene? Aug 09 08:16:39 _law_: which errors? Aug 09 08:16:48 I mean that project hrw mentioned , that puts gnome on embeded systmes Aug 09 08:16:57 hi hrw Aug 09 08:17:10 niv_one_three: ah - Poky Linux 3.0 release you mean? Aug 09 08:17:16 hrw: is there an anstgstrom channel? Aug 09 08:17:21 #angstrom Aug 09 08:17:26 <_law_> hrw, this one http://pastebin.com/m41b2ec67 Aug 09 08:17:27 ya hrw, I ment poky Aug 09 08:18:29 same problem here. is it recent? Aug 09 08:19:28 let me update Aug 09 08:26:01 good morning Aug 09 08:27:32 hrw: http://rafb.net/p/vSP6Gd54.html Aug 09 08:30:41 hi koen|gprs. yes everyone gets this one. Aug 09 08:32:25 * koen|gprs_ proposes mtn drop Aug 09 08:36:45 ~curse psokolovsky Aug 09 08:36:45 May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, psokolovsky ! Aug 09 08:36:58 * * OE Bug 2726 has been created by nelson(AT)emqbit.com Aug 09 08:37:00 * * Boa doesn't start by default Aug 09 08:37:02 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2726 Aug 09 08:37:40 people still use boa? Aug 09 08:37:47 * koen|gprs would use cherokee instead Aug 09 08:38:59 * * OE Bug 2727 has been created by ranaldo(AT)unina.it Aug 09 08:39:01 * * New parse error Aug 09 08:39:03 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2727 Aug 09 08:42:39 rwhitby, ixp4xx_mac driver 0.3.1: eth2 on NPE-A with PHY[31] initialized YEHA Aug 09 08:43:22 I did BIG merge - I hope that it will not break Aug 09 08:52:58 <_law_> hrw, looks better now thanks Aug 09 08:53:24 <_law_> i think we can close #2727 Aug 09 08:54:13 we can Aug 09 08:55:50 03hrw 07org.oe.dev * r76e1e694... 10/ (16 files in 10 dirs): disapproval of revision '87f4964e99b725f1fc7dfcdb6feb62a3b3b0cd12' Aug 09 08:56:58 * * OE Bug 2727 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Aug 09 08:57:00 * *  New parse error Aug 09 08:57:02 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2727 Aug 09 09:09:04 koen|gprs: We were trying to use Appweb but it doesn't build. A single change in the configuration file makes boa start, I sent it in the report. Now I just installed cherokee and it worked (sample page). Will try to run php next (cgi). I just had an issue with PHP+CGI I ended up solving (http://wiki.emqbit.com/openembedded#boa-php-cgi). I had to create a php.ini and add "doc_root = /var/www", otherwise php_cli wouldn't run as CGI. Aug 09 09:10:37 * Arhuaco tries cherokee Aug 09 09:10:57 do we have fastcgi in OE? Aug 09 09:14:09 hrw: what do you think about 'DEPENDS = "virtual/kernel"' in angstrom-minimal-image? Aug 09 09:14:38 or in task-boot? Aug 09 09:14:55 that makes even more sense :) Aug 09 09:15:03 :-) Aug 09 09:17:47 kohen|gprs: fastcgi_2.4.0.bb exists in the repository. Aug 09 09:33:03 koen|gprs: That patch you proposed looks nice... quite some improvement and I did not find anything that could cause trouble. Aug 09 09:33:20 * florian votes for applying and testing Aug 09 09:36:38 ERROR: No providers of build target angstrom-bootstrap-image (for []) Aug 09 09:36:41 ? Aug 09 09:38:41 weird, did I mispell angstrom? It is too early for me Aug 09 09:39:09 angstrom-bootstrap-image? Aug 09 09:39:16 angstrom-console-image you mean? Aug 09 09:40:00 thanks hrw Aug 09 09:40:12 * Crofton|home kicks himself Aug 09 09:40:46 koen was asking why people were still building bootstrap-image yesterday, so I tried to retrain my fingers :) Aug 09 09:41:14 hrw, fibe days to go! Aug 09 09:41:43 Crofton|home: yes Aug 09 09:42:15 I hope you have the suit Aug 09 09:42:57 I have Aug 09 09:43:05 need to buy shoes and few more shirts Aug 09 09:43:09 do you rent or buy in Poland? Aug 09 09:43:25 here we can rent suits for weddings Aug 09 09:43:38 I prefer to buy Aug 09 09:43:45 brides and brides maids spend teh savings though :) Aug 09 09:44:27 Ania also bought her stuff Aug 09 09:44:41 Be sure to post some pics Aug 09 09:44:50 rent stuff does not fit good usually Aug 09 09:44:56 yeah Aug 09 09:45:05 Crofton|home: they will be available Aug 09 09:45:09 good Aug 09 09:45:09 (pics) Aug 09 09:45:18 hrw: thats why kilt is good in scotland Aug 09 09:45:51 the nice thing about renting is you can wear something that you would never where anywhere else :) Aug 09 09:46:32 15 seconds to autobuilder start.. Aug 09 09:47:01 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rc03b1251... 10/ (1 packages/tasks/task-boot.bb): task-boot: add DEPENDS = "virtual/kernel" Aug 09 09:50:20 koen|gprs: I just had to merge that ;D Aug 09 09:51:27 XorA, headline on CNN atm, Scotsmen, 82, gets in trouble for lifting kilt Aug 09 09:51:40 Crofton|home: heh heh Aug 09 09:51:51 ;DDD Aug 09 09:52:18 hrw : I believe soon they will find that womean have a "wedding day" gene Aug 09 09:52:29 ;D Aug 09 09:52:30 funny moment of this morning, walking to work with minidisc player playing LOUD, get stopped by christian religious people to hand me a leaflet, NIN Heresy kicks off with the loud, "Your God is Dead......" Aug 09 09:53:02 hrw : I found out about it a year ago.... Aug 09 09:54:39 hrw, practive sayig :"Yes, dear" Aug 09 09:55:29 :) Aug 09 09:56:35 Crofton|home: we share flat for nearly 4 years ;D Aug 09 09:56:52 I really need to post some video from my friends bachelor party Aug 09 09:57:17 but after the wedding, she will know you can't get away so easily :) Aug 09 09:57:35 and viceversa Aug 09 09:57:38 the video will do nothing to dispell peoples visions of Americans as crazed gun nuts :) Aug 09 10:00:57 Crofton|home: well he is safe as long as there were no lap dances Aug 09 10:01:16 heh Aug 09 10:01:31 yeah, he didn't drink or want to go to a strip club Aug 09 10:03:13 unfortuneately my best man followed his future brother in laws advice about strip clubs in edin Aug 09 10:03:18 hideous man beasts :-( Aug 09 10:03:20 * XorA shudders Aug 09 10:05:02 * steliosk tries to remember how many strip clubs visited.... Aug 09 10:05:17 as they say in the movies " i do not recall" Aug 09 10:06:38 * florian now has three Angstrom images that do not work Aug 09 10:09:56 florian: then you have 2 more than I Aug 09 10:20:31 never pull a plug you don't know where is connected.... Aug 09 10:23:33 steliosk: why not, if I do that her#$&*($#*&@ Aug 09 10:24:56 XorA: I just finished building a a 1.5m^2 run for the piggies Aug 09 10:25:06 koen|gprs: cool Aug 09 10:25:47 koen|gprs: you have lot of space in flat Aug 09 10:27:10 hrw: no, I have now no hallway anymore :) Aug 09 10:27:26 ;D Aug 09 10:27:39 * koen|gprs tries to find a way to the kitchen that doesn't involve jumping 1.6 metres Aug 09 10:29:22 and still no internet Aug 09 10:29:51 * koen|gprs is not gonn download a 30MB pdf over gprs Aug 09 10:48:34 koen|gprs: I split those package.bbclass patches into units. Some of them are probably ok to apply straight off since either OE doesn't use the functionality as much as poky (depchains) or they're simple to check cleanups Aug 09 11:01:19 where is the real ping command hidden ? Aug 09 11:05:24 RP: my idea exactly Aug 09 11:05:34 rob_w: netkit? Aug 09 11:07:04 rob_w: iputils Aug 09 11:13:29 hrw: what do you think about adding a sl-7500 machine that add 'c7x0' to overrides? Aug 09 11:18:34 koen|gprs: just for other keymap? Aug 09 11:20:22 I would rather add keymap-2.6_sl7500.map for c7x0 and let user rename it on device Aug 09 11:22:00 koen|gprs: just for other keymap? Aug 09 11:22:02 I would rather add keymap-2.6_sl7500.map for c7x0 and let user rename it on device Aug 09 11:22:21 that another option Aug 09 11:22:41 I'd like to minimize user shell actions Aug 09 11:22:52 OTOH, it is a zaurus, so people are used to crap Aug 09 11:23:08 * koen|gprs_ is still happy over the installkits Aug 09 11:27:39 can someone suggest networking filesystem other then nfs/samba? Aug 09 11:29:10 sshfs? Aug 09 11:29:36 rwhitby: I want few MB/s with nslu2 - does not sshfs kill it? Aug 09 11:29:55 nslu2 + nfs == disaster Aug 09 11:30:41 really? people have reported good success with the in-kernel nfs Aug 09 11:31:19 when it works then it is great Aug 09 11:31:40 but from time to time it nfs just locks Aug 09 11:32:05 but that time its nfs laptop<>desktop which locked Aug 09 11:51:36 Can we add a sanity check for help2man? autoconf 2.6 fails to build if it is not available. Aug 09 11:52:00 there already is one Aug 09 11:52:27 ah, let me guess - openmoko doesn't use sanity? Aug 09 11:52:42 (openmoko conf in OE .dev) Aug 09 11:53:06 cause it didn't find the lack of help2man on my system Aug 09 11:54:24 rwhitby: http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-July/007104.html Aug 09 11:55:23 koen|gprs_: thx Aug 09 12:25:20 koen: The binutils warning is supposed to be fixed with binutils cvs Aug 09 12:36:35 RP: great Aug 09 12:38:20 hey lrg_ Aug 09 12:41:39 RP: private libs is needed when you have e.g. two flavours of dates (openmoko and stock) and don't want to package gtkdateview.so seperately Aug 09 12:42:10 and do not want gtkdateview in shlibs Aug 09 12:44:24 hi! maybe wrong channel, but what could be a possible reason a kernel stops after "done, booting the kernel" on an at91rm9200? Aug 09 12:45:25 LetoAtreidesII: wrong kernel console Aug 09 12:45:44 or wrong machine id Aug 09 12:46:42 kernel console seems right Aug 09 12:47:16 ttyS0, which should be debug-tty Aug 09 12:47:25 its arm Aug 09 12:47:32 yes, arm920t Aug 09 12:47:37 so rather ttyAMA0 or sth like that Aug 09 12:48:31 on a pretty similar board, it's S0, but i don't know if the kernel was hacked in some way Aug 09 12:49:41 what would the machine id thing be? Aug 09 12:50:43 hey koen Aug 09 12:52:34 ttyAMA0 didn't change anything :-/ Aug 09 12:52:51 mickey|camp: good morning! Aug 09 12:53:02 morning koen Aug 09 12:53:09 lrg_: I have blackfin uclibc compiled, it just fails at the final link command Aug 09 12:53:42 koen: cool. :) Aug 09 12:54:33 RP: I think autotools_do_configure is wrong Aug 09 12:55:00 RP: it removes _all_ configure scripts, but it can't be run in a subdir to regenerate the ones it removed Aug 09 12:55:47 (case in point: asterisk 1.4.7) Aug 09 13:03:05 koen: Yes, thats a known problem with it Aug 09 13:03:14 koen: It should regenerate them all Aug 09 13:04:34 koen: I don't doubt the need for PRIVATE_LIBS btw, just in that section of the diff, poky and OE have fixes in the same place and it needed me to be awake when I attempted to merge it :) Aug 09 13:14:54 steliosk: the bv3 is on its way to athens Aug 09 13:16:21 funny how those zaurus people get worked up about a sound driver for 2.4 while our asoc has had it for ages Aug 09 13:16:21 hi koen Aug 09 13:16:26 hey woglinde Aug 09 13:23:15 koen: ? Aug 09 13:23:22 hi hrw Aug 09 13:23:49 koen: link? Aug 09 13:24:31 hi woglinde Aug 09 13:24:42 hi xora Aug 09 13:25:08 hm I will go to the dentist at 4 p.m. Aug 09 13:32:05 XorA: http://www.oesf.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23984&hl= Aug 09 13:32:27 summary: OMG BASS & TREBLE CONTROL WTFBBQOMGPONY!!!! Aug 09 13:32:41 pony? Aug 09 13:36:08 koen: "Don't try this - the kernel is not for the c7xx zaurii, as they do not have the sound chip." :D Aug 09 13:36:55 and then they get confused between FPE implementations Aug 09 13:37:33 and they cannot read descriptions of fastfpe and nwfpe Aug 09 13:38:07 we already established the lack of reading and google skills years ago Aug 09 13:38:56 it's not a crap kernel. it's old and stable. by calling it crappix you basically are saying that linux has always been crap until the 2.6.x kernel has matured and 2.8 is out and then the wheel repeats itself... Aug 09 13:39:02 hrw: The c7xx do contain a different chip to the cxx00 ;-) Aug 09 13:39:58 RP: I know Aug 09 13:41:26 8731 contra 8750 Aug 09 13:48:47 is anyone aware of a usefull gps program that may be used on a arm based linux? Aug 09 13:49:11 hrw , posted a few links in his blog, most only in poland Aug 09 13:56:22 woglinde: ping Aug 09 13:56:58 hi rschuster Aug 09 13:57:48 hi florian Aug 09 14:07:40 morning Aug 09 14:08:45 hey chouimat Aug 09 14:13:29 http://www.mvista.com/vision/ Aug 09 14:14:04 Crofton|home: that's where I got the intel chopper bike quote from :) Aug 09 14:14:06 Does anyone remember what's they way to create a function invocation tree ? Aug 09 14:14:39 kcachegrind Aug 09 14:14:41 ? Aug 09 14:14:56 hi all, /usr/include/scsi/sg.h is inside my linux-libc-headers-dev and libc6-dev packages. any idea about how to avoid this conflict? Aug 09 14:15:00 * Crofton|home hates high maintenance users Aug 09 14:15:17 why isn't "google selinux public_html"a good enough answer Aug 09 14:15:21 vivijim: sadly no Aug 09 14:15:31 especially when I will do exactly that to answer the question Aug 09 14:15:37 vivijim: the libc dudes and the kernel dudes need for fight it out Aug 09 14:16:15 koen: hehehehe Aug 09 14:16:36 Crofton|home: because it's not constructive, not helpfull and elitist Aug 09 14:16:46 Crofton|home: at least that is what people tell me Aug 09 14:17:04 well, it would be different if I was getting paid to do it Aug 09 14:17:42 or I could depend on his person to communicate the information to the next person that has this problem Aug 09 14:20:44 * Crofton|home needs more motivated colleagues Aug 09 14:25:30 like when you tell people 5 times "don't forget to put in resistors to limit the current draw" and then spend nearly a week to find out that they did forget the resistors and fried the chip? Aug 09 14:25:37 my favourite example Aug 09 14:31:26 chouimat : thanks Aug 09 14:32:51 steliosk: np Aug 09 14:38:41 http://pastebin.ca/651137 Aug 09 14:39:01 I need to recover this fellow :) Aug 09 14:39:55 and it provides a data point on things we should address , although I think we have already made alot of progress Aug 09 14:40:23 ask him to build perl and python modules or crosscompile gnuradio Aug 09 14:41:06 koen: what did you do to avoid this kernel/libc6 conflict? or aren't you using the dev packages? Aug 09 14:41:16 re Aug 09 14:41:22 with ipkg I used -force-overwrite Aug 09 14:43:45 uhm... got it... Aug 09 14:44:37 I'm tempted to just remove them from libc6-dev Aug 09 14:44:52 I mean, scsi headers in a c library?!?! Aug 09 14:46:28 koen, I need his help with the Lyrtech board :) Aug 09 14:47:19 koen, yep, it's too stranger Aug 09 14:48:23 hey birunko Aug 09 14:48:38 hey =) Aug 09 14:53:39 can someone guide-me to understand makedepend-native error ? Aug 09 14:53:52 have a nice evening/weekend/week guys Aug 09 14:54:00 !oebug 2723 Aug 09 14:54:01 * * Bug 2723, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-08-08 05:39 Aug 09 14:54:03 * * waldecir(AT)gmail.com: makedepend do_compile problem: No rule to make target `makedepend.(AT)APP_MAN_SUFFIX(AT)', needed by `all-am'. Aug 09 14:54:03 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2723 Aug 09 14:54:08 I will be back at next Friday - this time as married man Aug 09 14:54:18 hrw: congratz heh Aug 09 14:55:05 bye Aug 09 14:55:09 good luck! Aug 09 14:55:13 thx Aug 09 14:55:20 congratulations, hrw|weddingweek Aug 09 14:55:54 congrats too Aug 09 14:56:38 hrw :) Aug 09 14:57:00 * zarath notes himself no to forget his 13th wedding day at 13.8. Aug 09 14:57:21 13th nice Aug 09 14:57:31 hmm, my anniversary is th e19'th Aug 09 14:57:33 I am in the second year Aug 09 14:57:39 pff Aug 09 14:57:45 hmm, day after world's largest party Aug 09 14:58:13 * chouimat would had his 12th one this year ... Aug 09 14:58:58 wedding was on friday the 13th ;-) Aug 09 15:04:03 The MV Vision conf has alot of TBD slots Aug 09 15:04:52 is there any reason why gcov wouldn't work in an arm eabi toolchain? Aug 09 15:05:05 woglinde: twisti said genoffsets is no more Aug 09 15:05:43 oh so fast Aug 09 15:05:55 than he should make a new release Aug 09 15:05:57 *g* Aug 09 15:06:44 hm qt 4.3.1 Aug 09 15:07:29 if i go to the work directory of makedepend-native and execute autogen.sh and after eun bitbake makedepend-native its works Aug 09 15:07:34 strange *g* Aug 09 15:08:30 hmm "works" Aug 09 15:09:34 * Crofton shudders http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/windows/the-blue-screen-of-death-tattoo-282986.php Aug 09 15:09:41 lol Aug 09 15:14:32 so do you think he was supposed to get some computer generated image :-D Aug 09 15:14:55 I was disappointed it is not blue Aug 09 15:15:53 * XorA guesses he is also eternally single Aug 09 15:16:24 yeah Aug 09 15:31:15 * Crofton|home references Angstrom in his thesis Aug 09 15:56:20 woglinde: regarding cacao-cldc which has entered oe :) Aug 09 15:57:34 woglinde: how about naming the executable cacao-cldc (alt: java-cldc) and change the RPROVIDES to virtual/cldc1.1 ? Aug 09 15:58:06 woglinde: that way cacao-j2se and cacao-cldc would not conflict Aug 09 15:59:32 rschuster why? java is update-alternative Aug 09 15:59:47 so you can choose which is your java Aug 09 16:00:59 woglinde: granted for /usr/bin/java but what about cacao? Aug 09 16:01:17 hm Aug 09 16:02:27 woglinde: midpath is compatible to cacao as well as cacao-cldc and it would be nice for comparisons to be able to have both runtimes on the device Aug 09 16:03:06 hm Aug 09 16:03:20 I thought only with cacao-cldc Aug 09 16:04:33 woglinde: nope: https://www.fsfe.org/en/fellows/robertschuster/weblog/midpath_maemo Aug 09 16:05:05 first screenshot is gnu classpath+cacao+midpath, second is cldc1.1-api+cacao-cldc+midpath Aug 09 16:07:38 woglinde: actually cacao+classpath is another use case for a minimal classpath (no awt needed) Aug 09 16:09:13 *sigh* Aug 09 16:09:18 there are to many combinations Aug 09 16:11:32 I will think about it Aug 09 16:11:36 next week Aug 09 16:31:46 has anyone tried compiling an app with OE with gcov switches? Aug 09 16:32:04 compiling works, but linking is failing for me Aug 09 16:32:19 undefined reference to `__gcov_fork', undefined reference to `__gcov_execlp' Aug 09 16:32:56 jsheldon which paket? Aug 09 16:33:25 woglinde: this is actually some in-house code for my company Aug 09 16:33:43 hm the symbols are in gcc Aug 09 16:33:53 maybee you need linking with libgcc Aug 09 16:34:22 I see tmp/cross/lib/gcc/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/4.1.2/libgcov.a Aug 09 16:34:31 perhaps Aug 09 16:43:16 re rschuster Aug 09 17:01:50 woglinde: I regret but I think you confused some things with midpath :) Aug 09 17:02:00 woglinde: midpath itself isnt cldc :) Aug 09 17:02:12 woglinde: midpath is midp2.0 Aug 09 17:03:00 woglinde: it can be based upon j2se (=> classpath) or cldc (=> phoneme's cldc.1.1 api) Aug 09 17:03:40 woglinde: just realized that virtual/cldc-api1.1 build midpath Aug 09 17:04:07 woglinde: its should be a provider for virtual/midp2.0 instead :) Aug 09 17:21:58 * * OE Bug 2728 has been created by eekee57(AT)fastmail.fm Aug 09 17:22:00 * * fluxbox package should depend on libstdc++6 Aug 09 17:22:02 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2728 Aug 09 17:28:58 * * OE Bug 2729 has been created by thebohemian(AT)gmx.net Aug 09 17:29:00 * * java package midpath wrongly assigned RPROVIDES Aug 09 17:29:02 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2729 Aug 09 17:47:28 man Aug 09 17:47:48 every time I touch a '(c) hentges' recipes my eyes start to bleed Aug 09 17:47:56 #################################################################################################################################### Aug 09 17:47:59 Aug 09 17:48:02 ############################################################################################################################################################ Aug 09 17:48:04 etc Aug 09 17:48:14 IN THE WRONG ORDER! Aug 09 17:50:25 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r61d1c1ee... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/neod_svn.bb): neod: inherit gconf Aug 09 17:50:29 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r455f40eb... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Aug 09 17:50:29 fluxbox: style fixes, unbreak versioning, unbreak packaging, etc, etc Aug 09 17:50:29 * excessive use of '#' signs is not an excuse for bugs Aug 09 17:50:29 * handwaving while saying 'template' is not an excuse for breaking the style guide Aug 09 18:06:58 * * OE Bug 2728 has been RESOLVED (FIXED) by Aug 09 18:07:01 * *  fluxbox package should depend on libstdc++6 Aug 09 18:07:02 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2728 Aug 09 18:07:18 hey mickey|CCC07, how's the camp coming along? Aug 09 18:08:28 mickey|CCC07: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/fic-gta01/20070809/Angstrom-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-test-20070809-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 Aug 09 18:16:36 hi all Aug 09 18:19:42 hi mrdata Aug 09 18:24:22 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r92611c6d... 10/ (1 packages/fluxbox/fluxbox_0.99+1.0rc.bb): fluxbox: fix typo Aug 09 18:24:27 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r61158526... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/neod_svn.bb): neod: add gconf dependency Aug 09 18:24:33 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r36abf7ef... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): openmoko2: remove home applet, neod will do this when you press AUX Aug 09 18:25:10 mickey|ccc07, If you see the gnu radio guys, mention OE supports GNU radio now :) Aug 09 18:25:46 woglinde: hi Aug 09 18:27:10 Crofton|home: will do ::) Aug 09 18:27:18 koen: thanks. good so far. busy, lots of interested people Aug 09 18:27:21 koen: what's in the test-image? Aug 09 18:27:55 re mickeyl Aug 09 18:28:01 koen, you should have mickey|ccc07 install the dial tone on openmoko Aug 09 18:29:02 The GNU Radio guys are in thr wireless village Aug 09 18:29:14 mickey|CCC07: it's openmoko-devel-image Aug 09 18:29:28 mickey|CCC07: it's 42MB due to webkit and friends Aug 09 18:31:40 mickey|CCC07: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnuradio/2007-07/msg00330.html Aug 09 18:34:10 koen, should I be able to install gnuradio from teh feeds? Aug 09 18:34:12 on the OSK? Aug 09 18:34:17 yes Aug 09 18:34:37 ipkg install gnuradio? Aug 09 18:34:42 yes Aug 09 18:34:44 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/repo/?action=details&pnm=gnuradio Aug 09 18:35:06 hmm, this was not true a couple of days ago :) Aug 09 18:36:01 installing now Aug 09 18:36:36 -rw-r--r-- 1 angstrom angstrom 2062710 2007-07-28 10:51 base/gnuradio_3.0.4+svn20070728-r2_armv5te.ipk :D Aug 09 18:37:19 /home/balister/oe/tmp/cross/powerpc-angstrom-linux/lib/libstdc++.so Aug 09 18:37:21 hmmm Aug 09 18:37:26 mickey|CCC07: btw, neod never gets started according to the scripts Aug 09 18:40:21 Crofton|home: can the USRP generate a reality distortion field? Aug 09 18:40:56 if it could, I wouldn't be working on my thesis, or trying to figure c++ linking problems on teh Efika Aug 09 18:44:43 hey mallum Aug 09 18:44:50 hello mr koen Aug 09 18:45:45 mallum: congrats on clutter & poky releases Aug 09 18:45:55 koen: thanks sir Aug 09 18:46:00 busy busy Aug 09 18:46:15 hi mallum Aug 09 18:46:39 koen: yeah. working on neod atm. will only enable it once it's fully tested :) Aug 09 18:46:51 mickey whats neod for? Aug 09 18:46:59 power management and button handling Aug 09 18:47:10 "throwaway code" Aug 09 18:47:12 ui Aug 09 18:53:46 right Aug 09 18:56:41 gr_vmcircbuf_sysv_shm: shmat (2): Invalid argument Aug 09 18:56:49 from gnuradio dialtone Aug 09 19:01:44 koen: you have problem on makedepend-native ? Aug 09 19:03:04 nope Aug 09 19:03:15 Crofton|home: I get that too, but it works Aug 09 19:03:21 Crofton|home: did you mount /dev/shm? Aug 09 19:03:31 yeah Aug 09 19:03:34 hmm Aug 09 19:03:47 I get terminate called after throwing an instance of 'gr_signal' Aug 09 19:03:50 and a prompt Aug 09 19:03:53 on OSK Aug 09 19:04:04 my makedepend-native fails too Aug 09 19:04:08 sounds drievers loaded? Aug 09 19:04:17 probably not Aug 09 19:04:21 no speakers attached :) Aug 09 19:04:31 huhu Aug 09 19:05:11 hmm alsamixer ran ok Aug 09 19:05:33 try stracing it Aug 09 19:06:02 Crofton|home: could you ping rishi about hte omap2 osk and davinci osks again? Aug 09 19:06:14 will do Aug 09 19:06:47 koen: I hear davinci? so you finally got the board? :) Aug 09 19:07:13 I have a Lyrtech DV board, but it is not close enough to the EVM for me to hack uboot Aug 09 19:07:29 koen: can you try rebuild-it ? i open bug 2723 and all my machines get this error Aug 09 19:09:11 http://pastebin.ca/651455 Aug 09 19:11:43 Jin^eLD: nope, but the blackfin board should arrive next week Aug 09 19:12:10 cool! Aug 09 19:12:42 well, I am anyway on holidays till the end of august, so won't be able to try anything until I am back Aug 09 19:12:54 did not take any fancy hardware with me :) Aug 09 19:16:43 re Aug 09 19:17:05 flo_lap: wb Aug 09 19:18:10 heh, interesting when you run two minicom sessions on the same serial port, each gets about half the input chars! Perhaps I don't have lock files set up properly ... Aug 09 19:21:24 koen, rishi pinged. We really need oe.org email addresses for "official business" Aug 09 19:21:32 hi flo_lap Aug 09 19:22:45 Crofton: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/account/register.php Aug 09 19:23:14 Crofton: that should give you a @openembedded.org address Aug 09 19:23:53 remind me to be careful what I ask for ,,,, Aug 09 19:24:18 :) Aug 09 19:24:20 :-) Aug 09 19:24:59 koen: Do you know of anyone using binutils cvs in OE? Aug 09 19:25:10 RP: no Aug 09 19:25:29 koen: There is unlikely to be objections if I rip the .bb files up a bit then? Aug 09 19:25:50 I'd be surprised if it builds as-is Aug 09 19:26:02 koen: If it does, I have no idea of the SRCDATE... Aug 09 19:27:15 how do you specify a font to rxvt on the command line? the only installed fonts are ttf, and there's no fonts.dir, will the old X font specifier still work? Aug 09 19:31:04 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * ra6f65a6f... 10/ (1 conf/machine/compulab-pxa270.conf): compulab-pxa270.conf: make default kernel 2.6.22 Aug 09 19:31:08 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r4ed4d793... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-session2: start neod, but set PowerManagement = NONE as default Aug 09 19:31:13 03polyonymous 07org.oe.dev * r62059cae... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): opie-bluetoothapplet cvs: removed obsolete patch. Upstream as of march. Aug 09 19:31:19 03koen 07org.oe.dev * rd6a10d62... 10/ (1 packages/djvulibre packages/djvulibre/djvulibre_3.5.19.bb): Aug 09 19:31:19 djvulibre: add 3.5.19 Aug 09 19:31:19 * you get bonus points if you get the viewer to build against qt 4.3.x-x11 Aug 09 19:32:10 anyone know where xbitmap is ? Aug 09 19:32:21 and is it a proto or a lib? Aug 09 19:32:59 xbm or xpm? Aug 09 19:33:11 oh that's it? Aug 09 19:34:14 urghs Aug 09 19:34:16 it's in data Aug 09 19:36:11 what uses xbm nowadays? Aug 09 19:36:23 I thought people all switched to xpm in '89 Aug 09 19:36:39 xterm, xcalc *shrug* Aug 09 19:37:00 can use an xbm to make the xterm scrollbar look nicer, lol Aug 09 19:38:52 has anyone here built binaries for using gcov with OE? Aug 09 19:41:47 hmm Aug 09 19:41:52 * mickey|ccc07 just played with an iphone Aug 09 19:42:02 we can do all that already w/ Linux Aug 09 19:42:05 and we can do better Aug 09 19:42:11 mickey|CCC07: duh... Aug 09 19:42:13 just needs the right tools Aug 09 19:42:29 mickey|CCC07: but it Just Works(TM) and Works Great(TM) with a mac Aug 09 19:42:30 minus multitouch perhaps Aug 09 19:42:34 heh Aug 09 19:43:15 mickey|CCC07: plugin an iphone in your mac and it _automatically_ will sync your addressbook Aug 09 19:43:32 if only it could fix my grammer as well Aug 09 19:55:32 good evening all Aug 09 19:56:01 hey likewise Aug 09 19:58:01 * koen pours a guinness Aug 09 19:58:16 hey likewise Aug 09 19:59:28 hi likewise Aug 09 19:59:39 hey guys Aug 09 20:00:10 hey all, I've just noticed that I have no .pc (pkgconfig) file in mamona... what am I doing wrong? I believe that it should be installed by packages during the build, but I find nothing about it... Aug 09 20:00:18 hi likewise Aug 09 20:01:38 vivijim: they should be part of development packages Aug 09 20:04:59 hmm I believe that package_deb is not doing something... because there is no devel package with .pc files Aug 09 20:09:11 flo_lap: do the package_do_pkgconfig function "install" pc files? any idea why it is not happening in my case? using package_deb? Aug 09 20:16:22 vivijim: hmm strange, but they end up in staging correctly? Aug 09 20:17:28 likewise, something is very fishy in Efika C++ land Aug 09 20:17:55 the gcc linking line clearly includes libstdc++.so, the same as it does for the OSK Aug 09 20:18:02 and the lib contains the missing symbols Aug 09 20:18:16 which missing symbols? Aug 09 20:18:29 but, to get it to work with libtool-1.5.10, -lstdc++ was added Aug 09 20:18:39 std::basic_string, std::allocator >::~basic_string() Aug 09 20:18:40 is one Aug 09 20:18:46 yes. Aug 09 20:18:53 for libusb they are all from class basic_string Aug 09 20:20:06 so, our powerpc g++ is flaky, or is that too quick to say? Aug 09 20:20:24 No, I agree, there is something fishy in g++ Aug 09 20:20:54 maybe I will try building c++ hello,world from source tomorrow Aug 09 20:20:57 outside OE Aug 09 20:21:01 without libtool Aug 09 20:21:13 and see if I can get a very simple test case Aug 09 20:21:53 but, it seems like libtool is involved somehow, in that the line it uses for library linking hits the problem Aug 09 20:22:53 flo_lap: yes... Aug 09 20:23:42 http://pastebin.ca/651534 Aug 09 20:23:56 /home/balister/oe/tmp/cross/powerpc-angstrom-linux/lib/libstdc++.so Aug 09 20:24:05 this line also appears in the OSK log for libusb Aug 09 20:24:07 and it links Aug 09 20:24:37 likewise: which version of GCC are you using Aug 09 20:25:14 * khem thught gcc for PPC was pretty mature would not have this kind of problems Aug 09 20:25:21 khem: you mean Crofton? Aug 09 20:26:00 khem: it might be our particular version and patches are not well tested on PPC. Most OE work is ARM so far... although I'ld like to see different. Aug 09 20:26:15 likewise: OK Aug 09 20:26:17 I added the comparbale OSK section Aug 09 20:26:44 bother, formatting cahnges :) Aug 09 20:28:41 vivijim: okay, so they get installed but not packaged. Aug 09 20:29:00 hi khem Aug 09 20:29:06 hey Aug 09 20:29:25 khem: I kinda suspect the powerpc softfloat patches Aug 09 20:29:43 koen: thats possible Aug 09 20:30:04 * khem will try to look into it Aug 09 20:30:22 koen: is it an issue in GCC 4.1 ? Aug 09 20:30:24 flo_lap: but not "installed" to tmp/work/pack/pack/install/pack-dev/usr/lib/pkgconfig/ Aug 09 20:30:33 khem: our patched 4.1.2 Aug 09 20:30:41 ok Aug 09 20:30:47 khem: binutils-cross-2.17.50.0.5-r1, glibc-2.5-r6 gcc-cross-4.1.2-r3/ Aug 09 20:31:16 did u backport the softfloat patches from Joseph ? Aug 09 20:32:06 http://pastebin.ca/651541 Aug 09 20:32:36 khem: could you be a bit more specific on those patches? Aug 09 20:32:39 Crofton|home: May be we should rename omap1* to omap* for logical reasons Aug 09 20:33:26 khem, provided we have support for omap{2,3} in the same file :) Aug 09 20:33:58 I pinged TI about getting us some dev boards so we can test some of this Aug 09 20:34:48 what is the next version of libtool that we'll be upgrading to, and when is that planned? Aug 09 20:35:08 well, I have libtool 1.5.24 in the repo Aug 09 20:35:12 Crofton|home: yeah eventually thats what will be Aug 09 20:35:14 Crofton|home: steliosk did the powerpc gcc work Aug 09 20:35:16 it seems to work for the OSK Aug 09 20:35:38 but there is some problem with the OSK Aug 09 20:35:43 Crofton|home: I see -lstdc++ is not added by libtool Aug 09 20:35:53 vivijim: but all other development files are there such as headers? Aug 09 20:35:57 yes, it adds the path to the .so Aug 09 20:36:04 Crofton|home: do u know why Aug 09 20:36:07 the hack is to add the -lstdc++ Aug 09 20:36:22 if I did, I suspect I could fix the problem :) Aug 09 20:36:43 Crofton|home: I think its libtool problem Aug 09 20:36:46 unfortunately, moving to libtool-11.5.24 breaks the hack Aug 09 20:37:14 khem, I would agree, but the command libtool emits is virtually identical to the OSK, which works Aug 09 20:37:30 Crofton|home: it's not only stdc++ Aug 09 20:38:16 xserver-xorg_1.2.0.bb:export LDFLAGS += " -ldl " Aug 09 20:38:17 symbol references sometimes work strangely for different Aug 09 20:38:22 iirc I added those for ppc as well Aug 09 20:38:31 arches Aug 09 20:38:35 ok Aug 09 20:39:21 I make the following claim: libtool-1.5.24 will build images for archs, except ppc Aug 09 20:39:33 of course, I have a hard time testing this :) Aug 09 20:39:35 a linker map would give information if you compare arm and ppc ld map files you can find a lot more Aug 09 20:39:50 evn in the error case Aug 09 20:39:56 ? Aug 09 20:40:09 should emit map file Aug 09 20:40:11 can I use /**/ in .h files? Aug 09 20:40:12 mwester, did you see my claim about recent libtool ? Aug 09 20:40:26 koen hm not nice Aug 09 20:40:41 koen: comments ? Aug 09 20:40:45 better use < > and set Makefile to the right place Aug 09 20:40:47 yes, comments Aug 09 20:40:54 ups Aug 09 20:40:55 okay Aug 09 20:40:58 sorry Aug 09 20:41:09 *hides* Aug 09 20:41:16 koen: sure Aug 09 20:41:21 good Aug 09 20:41:24 koen: sure however depends on coding style of package Aug 09 20:41:37 mwester, no date for libtool upgrade, we need to gain some confidence Aug 09 20:41:39 it's a config.h file with wrong defines Aug 09 20:41:39 koen: some prefer C++ comments Aug 09 20:41:42 koen: there is not real difference between the files for the preprocessor Aug 09 20:43:20 I am off for tv Aug 09 20:43:20 Crofton|home: powerpc-angstrom-linux-libtool is a cross libtool right ? Aug 09 20:43:29 should be Aug 09 20:43:41 woglinde: MythTV Aug 09 20:43:48 khem no Aug 09 20:43:59 this is really frustrating because I am so close Aug 09 20:43:59 woglinde: RTL KABEL 1 Aug 09 20:44:11 khem no ard Aug 09 20:44:22 Crofton|home: Ok - I'm good with that. I just happen to have a package update that uses constructs only available with libtool 1.9 Aug 09 20:44:22 ah ok Aug 09 20:44:24 and libnetfilter_queue seems to need libtool-1.5.24 to build (C only) Aug 09 20:44:38 Crofton|home: I'll just patch the configure.am file instead. Aug 09 20:44:50 1.9? Aug 09 20:45:00 So it seems. Aug 09 20:45:10 1.5.24 is the latest right? Aug 09 20:45:11 1.9 sounds like automake Aug 09 20:46:45 Well, I'll check again. Googling about indicated that the features were introduced in 1.9, which is still under development it's true... Aug 09 20:46:48 * Crofton|home hopes so Aug 09 20:47:08 1.9.6 the stable one Aug 09 20:47:53 he Libtool Team is pleased to announce the alpha release of GNU Libtool 1.9f. Aug 09 20:47:56 from 2004 Aug 09 20:47:59 1.10 is out already Aug 09 20:48:01 * koen looks at http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ Aug 09 20:48:10 LT_INIT and LT_LANG(C) are the macros in question, in case anyone is curious... Aug 09 20:48:39 I do like the libtool logo Aug 09 20:48:58 what? A can of worms? Aug 09 20:49:09 :) Aug 09 20:49:13 http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/libtool.jpg Aug 09 20:49:57 Ah - other reference here indicates that LT_INIT appeared in beta versions of libtool 1.6. Aug 09 20:50:04 Either way, we don't have it in OE. Aug 09 20:50:13 mwester, these are really old? Aug 09 20:50:30 What are really old? libtool? Aug 09 20:50:46 1.6 libtool Aug 09 20:50:54 1.5.24 came out last month Aug 09 20:51:03 1.5.24 of libtool Aug 09 20:51:07 (BTW, I think a can of worms is a better logo for libtool ;)) Aug 09 20:51:25 theirs is graphically pleasing though Aug 09 20:53:05 * khem was talking about automake Aug 09 20:53:15 ibot: test Aug 09 20:53:15 Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! Aug 09 20:53:28 * Crofton|home thinks we are mixing up libtool and automake versions Aug 09 20:53:44 Crofton|home: libtool is really not pleasant to use Aug 09 20:53:45 * mwester also looks at http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ , and notes that someone at GNU either mixed up dates, or mixed up version numbers for the Development Release... Aug 09 20:54:04 flo_lap: yes, everything but .pc is fine Aug 09 20:54:12 it is very strange Aug 09 20:54:29 mwester: AIUI libtool got rewritten multiple times Aug 09 20:54:35 khem, no one would use it if it didn't solve an annoying problem :) Aug 09 20:55:04 "if it's a difficult problem to solve, the tool to solve it must be difficult to use." Aug 09 20:55:37 right Aug 09 20:56:11 and the problem we have as consumes of other peoples software Aug 09 20:56:34 we either rewrite the build system if we do not like it, or adapt to what they use Aug 09 20:56:41 like what finding libraries to link all this autoconf thing sounds so sherlock Holmes to me Aug 09 20:56:42 and lots of people have used libtool Aug 09 20:56:49 yeah Aug 09 20:57:08 we met the guy to blame for autoconf at FOSDEM last year Aug 09 20:57:15 he seemed nice enough Aug 09 20:57:20 heh Aug 09 20:57:46 Crofton|home: gnash abuses autotools in such a horrid way... Aug 09 20:57:46 although I think being a dead head may have influenced his choices of tools Aug 09 20:58:20 vivijim: okay... is it possible that this started with the autotools upgrade? Aug 09 20:58:21 that is the problem understanding to much of a tool like that Aug 09 20:58:34 khem, gnash and autoconf are by the same guy Aug 09 21:01:53 Crofton|home: the gratefull dead could have used some signal processing people Aug 09 21:02:07 with their wall of speakers behind their microphones Aug 09 21:04:55 Crofton|home: libtool adds nostdlib when calling g++ otherwise g++ would have added -lstdc++ implicitely Aug 09 21:08:09 hmm Aug 09 21:08:46 koen, at dead shows, users provided their personal signal processing Aug 09 21:08:52 via chemicals :) Aug 09 21:09:08 khem, libtool works in mysterious ways .. Aug 09 21:10:02 * Crofton|home wonders why libtool uses the nostdlib approach Aug 09 21:12:59 any one make a eglibc angstrom build ? Aug 09 21:18:54 koen, regarding an earlier remark, does this seem familiar Aug 09 21:18:55 http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/libtool/libtool/ChangeLog?revision=1.1220.2.458&view=markup&pathrev=branch-1-5 Aug 09 21:24:54 I don't recognize anything Aug 09 21:25:57 -ldld Aug 09 21:26:19 you added that to x something I think Aug 09 21:26:26 -ldl Aug 09 21:26:31 * Crofton|home checks his brokerage account and cries Aug 09 21:26:43 what's a d between friends Aug 09 21:31:29 I need to invent a paper to submit to the conference in Las Vagas Aug 09 21:31:36 er Vegas Aug 09 21:42:37 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * rd9d435f6... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): add xbitmaps Aug 09 21:42:43 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r08e95bb3... 10/ (1 packages/xorg-app/xsetroot_1.0.1.bb): add xsetroot utility Aug 09 21:42:49 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r1c639a8a... 10/ (5 files in 4 dirs): add hsetroot, yet another X wallpaper utility Aug 09 21:42:54 03Stefan 07org.oe.dev * ra8e71f07... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): add openmoko-today2-folders, make openmoko-today2 depend on those Aug 09 21:42:59 03koen 07org.oe.dev * re489a54b... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): djvulibre: fix configure a bit and stage files Aug 09 21:43:04 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r9b6cdd02... 10/ (1 packages/evince/evince_0.9.2.bb): evince 0.9.2: enable djvu Aug 09 22:01:16 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r8d5cab38... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): openmoko-session2: add more rdepends Aug 09 22:01:20 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5a505039... 10/ (8 files in 3 dirs): poppler: fix 0.5.9 with backports from cvs and make packaging more granular Aug 09 22:03:00 mickey|CCC07: you have mail :) Aug 09 22:06:21 urgh Aug 09 22:09:04 I so want this thesis done Aug 09 22:12:40 enough bugs fixed for today Aug 09 22:12:52 well, since 12 minutes "yesterday" Aug 09 22:13:45 well, take the reast of th day off Aug 09 22:14:26 I am making progress at least Aug 09 22:14:38 any people involved in Aug 09 22:14:44 !oebug 2667 Aug 09 22:14:45 here? Aug 09 22:14:46 * * Bug 2667, Status: NEW, Created: 2007-07-19 08:07 Aug 09 22:14:46 * * uncle.grog(AT)gmail.com: Sound problems with recent kernels a.k.a. asound statefiles need updating Aug 09 22:14:47 * * http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2667 Aug 09 22:14:59 sorry, not me Aug 09 22:15:26 koen, I suspect my gnu radio problem involves me running a libtool 1.5.24 image with the ipk from teh angstrom site Aug 09 22:17:34 heh, hrw is reading email Aug 09 22:17:42 he should be worrying about his wedding Aug 09 22:18:08 hi, first day using oe... Im having a problem trying bitbaker, the error is: Aug 09 22:18:10 ERROR: EOL while scanning single-quoted string (, line 1) while parsing /home/rwanderley/src/OpenEmbedded/org.openembedded.dev/packages/opie-help-en/opie-help-en_cvs.bb Aug 09 22:18:28 when did you upadte your meta-data? Aug 09 22:18:49 I think something had to changed earlier today? Aug 09 22:18:50 Im using svn version, and did the co today... Aug 09 22:18:52 koen: ooooh. nice! Aug 09 22:19:14 svn version? Aug 09 22:19:40 867 Aug 09 22:20:12 no, I mean what svn version. The "official OE meta-data" is in monotone Aug 09 22:20:43 1.8 Aug 09 22:21:02 ah, that would be bitbake version Aug 09 22:21:16 sorry, im kinda lost :( Aug 09 22:21:22 yeah :) Aug 09 22:21:29 thats ok, we all have been there Aug 09 22:21:42 can you go into org.openembedded ... Aug 09 22:21:46 ok Aug 09 22:21:47 and do a mtn pull Aug 09 22:22:52 see updating OE in teh getting started docuemnt Aug 09 22:23:09 ok. Aug 09 22:25:21 mtn: bytes ↓ | bytes ↑ | cert. ↓ | ver. ↓ Aug 09 22:25:21 mtn: 335,8 k | 90,1 k | 108/108 | 27/27 Aug 09 22:25:21 mtn: comunicação feita com sucesso com monotone.openembedded.org Aug 09 22:25:46 this last line is in portuguese, it says the comunication was successfull. Aug 09 22:27:20 * Crofton|home curses internationalization :) Aug 09 22:27:34 mtn update and try building again Aug 09 22:27:35 im doing the same thing with LANG=en Aug 09 22:27:39 ok. Aug 09 22:27:54 I am just an English speaker Aug 09 22:28:05 "the lowest common denominator" Aug 09 22:28:23 * rwanderley need to at least read monotone's manpage. Aug 09 22:28:24 my friend speaks portugeuse, he lived in Brazil when he was a child Aug 09 22:28:37 rwanderley, agreed, the tutorial is helpful Aug 09 22:29:15 im a brazilian. works now, thanks a lot! Aug 09 22:30:14 great Aug 09 22:30:22 what are you building for? Aug 09 22:32:12 mobilis: http://www.ncoretech.com/products/ia/mobilis/index.html Aug 09 22:32:53 i was using buildroot, monotone seems to be a lot easier and more robust. Aug 09 22:32:55 neat Aug 09 22:33:03 thanks :) Aug 09 22:33:29 there are several other guys from Brazil using OE Aug 09 22:34:01 feeling whee tired Aug 09 22:34:03 I work with the OMAP starter kit and the Efika HW Aug 09 22:34:14 likewise, after midnight? Aug 09 22:34:20 i'm getting some sleep, i'm not worth much anymore. Aug 09 22:34:24 gn Aug 09 22:34:33 likewise: gn Aug 09 22:34:34 yeah, i bet there is. i wish i google had pointed me to oe before... Aug 09 22:34:35 Crofton|home: yeah real stressful day Aug 09 22:34:40 gn! Aug 09 22:35:25 give us a few days before you praise us :) Aug 09 22:35:32 what is the processor? Aug 09 22:35:43 arm xscale Aug 09 22:36:07 I suspect we have pretty good support for them, lots of stuff to copy:) Aug 09 22:36:23 so you create custom machine.conf and use angstrom distro? Aug 09 22:36:25 yeah, i was looking at conf/machines Aug 09 22:37:30 yeah, im trying that now... but first things first, im going to build a generic one in order to try with qemu, then i will try to tweak things and then upload to the hw. Aug 09 22:37:41 the website says the company is in India? Aug 09 22:37:47 yeah. Aug 09 22:37:49 India is outsourcing to Brazil? Aug 09 22:38:25 yes, india actually ia a step ahead from us. Aug 09 22:38:29 generic distro? Aug 09 22:38:31 heh Aug 09 22:38:43 rwanderly, try the Ansgstrom first. Aug 09 22:38:50 I read an article about an Indian company outsourcing a call center to the US :) Aug 09 22:39:08 agrees angstrom has much better supprt than generic Aug 09 22:39:20 Arhuaco: im doing that, thanks! Aug 09 22:39:42 so you use angstrom and what machine? Aug 09 22:40:09 h2200 for now, but im just seeing whats going to be built Aug 09 22:40:37 ok, just checking you are using a machine that people use a lot Aug 09 22:40:54 and is it? :-) Aug 09 22:41:09 not sure, but it sounds familiar Aug 09 22:41:32 ok, it looked simple, thats why i tried it. Aug 09 22:42:34 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/h2200/ Aug 09 22:42:37 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r83b17162... 10/ (1 packages/abiword/abiword-plugins_2.5.1.bb): abiword-plugins: add 2.5.1 Aug 09 22:43:58 * psycoman hates mapedepends Aug 09 22:44:50 * psycoman hates makedepends Aug 09 22:46:20 CoreDump|home: those images were built with oe? Aug 09 22:47:21 you mean me? Aug 09 22:47:34 the ones on the angstrom site, yes, all from OE Aug 09 22:49:18 http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/h3800/20070709/ Aug 09 22:49:26 lol? image for h3800 with 2.6 kernel? Aug 09 23:07:54 anyone remember the default IPv4 address for usbd0 under gpe? ^^;; Aug 09 23:08:45 eekee: unrelated to gpe, more related to machine and distro Aug 09 23:09:14 ok, spitz & angstrom then? Aug 09 23:19:45 eekee: 192.168.0.202 or 192.168.1.2 Aug 09 23:23:10 oh cheers psycoman ^^ Aug 09 23:36:52 good night Aug 09 23:46:45 i dont know why angstrom build 2.6 kernel images for h3800, it doesn't work Aug 09 23:49:54 is anyone listse as a machine mentor? Aug 09 23:50:45 gremlin Aug 10 01:55:36 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r97cb0aa1... 10/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Aug 10 01:55:36 openmoko2: we no longer use hsetroot but use the all shiny new -root-ppm command line option for kdrive (thanks to Aug 10 01:55:36 Poky) Aug 10 01:55:40 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r14b0e60c... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Aug 10 01:55:40 Xserver: remove -br from the common options and add it for most devices Aug 10 01:55:40 xserver-kdrive-common: bump PR Aug 10 01:55:44 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r9b6f6135... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): disapproval of revision '14b0e60c903b363f1a9e66d94b672fa4698fa706' Aug 10 01:55:49 03mickeyl 07org.oe.dev * r51d54920... 10/ (18 files in 6 dirs): xserver-kdrive-common: enable overriding individual files **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 10 02:59:57 2007