**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 21 02:59:57 2007 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 21 04:34:50 2007 Sep 21 05:38:30 I modified gtk+-directfb_2.10.14.bb and its related file about pango & cairo for directfb supporting. Sep 21 05:38:38 when do_rootfs is processing, the bb report that: Sep 21 05:38:45 ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for gtk+-directfb: Sep 21 05:38:57 libx11-6 (>= 1.1.2) Sep 21 05:39:40 i checked the status file in rootfs dir, there is no libx11-6 in it. i wonder where the libx11 demanding is come from. Sep 21 06:18:15 fucking OE Sep 21 06:18:18 bah Sep 21 06:18:23 wrong channel :) Sep 21 06:54:10 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r804ed0e8... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/mplayer_svn.bb): Sep 21 06:54:10 mplayer: enable iwmmxt for more machines Sep 21 06:54:10 * time for MACHINE_FEATURES = iwmmxt? Sep 21 07:03:46 hm. why do i get spam via the commitlog-list? Sep 21 07:04:19 can somebody please config that to only-subscribers and whitelist or is that done by some special purpose? Sep 21 07:32:50 good morning all Sep 21 07:35:01 gm Sep 21 07:35:55 steliosk: can I power the board with the molex or only with the AC-plug thingy? Sep 21 07:36:01 good morning all Sep 21 07:37:47 koen : the AC plug only (12V ) the moles is to power the hd or cf Sep 21 07:38:02 its not ac actually its DC 12v Sep 21 07:38:51 koen : You will also need to update the uboot Sep 21 07:53:04 stefan_schmidt: something's wrong with mb-keyb-im: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/9d56018c7e2b722a163a8455a03fe4e8.png Sep 21 07:53:20 stefan_schmidt: the original mb-keyb scaled to maxwidth Sep 21 08:20:51 morning Sep 21 08:22:18 morning Sep 21 08:22:19 ERROR: Information not available for target 'mips-linux-uclibc' Sep 21 08:22:19 NOTE: exceptions.AttributeError:'NoneType' object has no attribute 'append' while evaluating: Sep 21 08:22:23 ${@siteinfo_get_files(d)} Sep 21 08:22:29 anyone ever saw this message? Sep 21 09:39:34 nik0n : There is no mips architecture defined in OE. its mipsel. The reason you get the message is there is no file mips-linux-uclibc and the site dir Sep 21 09:40:22 stefan_schmidt: walnut power plug is 12v 1A positive centre? Sep 21 09:41:18 koen : yes Sep 21 09:45:03 steliosk: but i have a mips big endian machine, as i understand mipsel stands for mips little endian Sep 21 09:48:43 hello, how can I cause ${KERNEL_SOURCE}/include/linux/config.h to be generated ? Sep 21 09:48:49 * nud tries to compile the pwc module Sep 21 09:57:10 hello Sep 21 09:57:37 I'm having a problem with a bb recipe for a python program that uses distutils Sep 21 09:58:09 it hangs with a permission denied error while running install_scripts Sep 21 09:58:20 I'm working on a package for Openmoko Sep 21 09:58:49 any help? Sep 21 09:59:08 it seems that /usr/bin directory is not created as well Sep 21 09:59:47 Ghiottone|work: OE doesnt create directories, thats upto the make install or equivalent, sounds like that python package is broken Sep 21 10:00:12 Ghiottone|work: to work around such breakages you can add a do_install_prepend that uses install -d to make the dirs Sep 21 10:00:49 * koen hints that '/usr/bin' is a host path Sep 21 10:02:44 koen: yes but in the image directory it is not present after the error Sep 21 10:03:35 XorA: thanks. Now the dir is there but permission denied remains. Sep 21 10:04:01 XorA: where should the script installation dir be specified in the python package? Sep 21 10:04:15 Ghiottone|work: check they arent doing sillyness like chown root:root blah, which you cant do as a user Sep 21 10:04:25 Ghiottone|work: I know zero python Sep 21 10:05:09 XorA: I would need to look in python dist utils for that? Sep 21 10:05:54 Ghiottone|work: I have no idea how those crazy assed python guys do stuff, Im a make man myself :-) Sep 21 10:06:08 XorA: eheh Sep 21 10:06:17 ~blame mickey|zzZZzz Sep 21 10:06:17 * ibot blames mickey|zzZZzz (and Canada) for all the evil in the world Sep 21 10:06:48 XorA: ok I'll look at it again later. Now english lesson for me. thanks and see you later Sep 21 10:18:40 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r0d52dc70... 10/ (4 files in 4 dirs): alsa-state: add config for a780 Sep 21 10:22:12 morning all Sep 21 10:22:53 hey do13 Sep 21 10:22:59 hi koen Sep 21 10:25:00 yo do13 Sep 21 10:25:09 hey XorA Sep 21 10:51:05 hm.. who is the directfb-maintainer for the .bb files? Sep 21 10:55:20 i wonder if he has already caito-directfb in the pipeline with an update to recent dfb Sep 21 11:25:55 roh: Shane Volpe has done some directfb work -- see OE/MAINTAINERS Sep 21 11:39:44 cbrake_away is he in here sometimes? Sep 21 11:40:06 jbs: you wouldn't happen to be online right now, would you? Sep 21 12:11:05 In porting my board (which uses a PXA270) there were quite a few hurdles that I had to overcome an quite a few things I learned along the way. I orignally thought that I would start my own wiki but after further thought I came to the conclusion of maybe we need a section in the OE wiki for notes on porting boards/processors. OE users could then add to it as they work on porting thier boards and different processors. Sep 21 12:13:27 svolpe_gerrath: or a chapter in the manual? Sep 21 12:15:34 zecke, I'm not sure the correct place for it, I thought the wiki so people could post to it on the fly. Example: I spent over a week getting the Intel large flash (128MB) working with my board.. it was a combination of the kernel/boot loader settings. I'm sure we all have similar stories and it would be good to document them. Sep 21 12:15:57 zecke, I think we could use the wiki and then push some of the better topics into the manual, maybe? Sep 21 12:16:30 svolpe_gerrath: put it into the manual, it will be automatically updated :) Sep 21 12:18:44 zecke, I guess my problem with the manual is I won't want to put anything into it unless I take the time to word/format it perfect were as a wiki I will post to it right away and then over time fix the formatting. Maybe I just have the wrong concept of requirements for a manual.. Sep 21 12:19:36 zecke, I look at a manual as being a formal document. Sep 21 12:20:46 svolpe_gerrath: most of us are not native english speakers, this is luckily/sadly lowering the level Sep 21 12:21:03 svolpe_gerrath: on the other hand it is a dream that you start with it in the wiki, it gets refined and will move to the manual.. Sep 21 12:21:23 svolpe_gerrath: so in real life, just put it into the manual, make a small note that help is appreciated and continue Sep 21 12:21:26 brb Sep 21 12:21:52 zecke, I see your point, basically if it is in the wiki it will grow old and die but if it is in the manual it will will just grow. Sep 21 12:22:19 svolpe_gerrath hi.. you take care of directfb in oe? Sep 21 12:22:58 roh, I have been slipping on it lately do to work but yes I do maintain it. Sep 21 12:23:12 i would like to know if you plan to update it to the latest dfb and if adding cairo-dfb is planned. Sep 21 12:23:33 roh, yes, I will do that.. I can work on it this weekend. Sep 21 12:25:04 roh, I did add gtk-directfb which I believe is the cairo your talking about.. I also added sdl-directfb. They are in the gtk and sdl directories. Sep 21 12:25:06 thats cool.. because i have an app from a fried i would love to try out. i just go into problems due to too less knowledge of bb on my side Sep 21 12:25:22 roh, but I just need to go through and update everything. Sep 21 12:26:48 i think its not the same, but gtk depends on cairo build with the dfb backend when used without x11 directly on dfb Sep 21 12:29:14 svolpe_gerrath, possiblt the wiki at elinux.org? Sep 21 12:29:18 hm.. dfb 1.1.0 broke the api, so propably it would be best to have stable (1.0.x) and devel atleast for some time Sep 21 12:32:21 roh, yes but I think I patched what it broke (I can't remember), however I do agree and will keep a stable 1.0.x Sep 21 12:33:30 roh, yes if you look in the gtk+-directfb bb you will see a patch "directfb_pixbuf_deprecated_fix.patch" which fixes the API breaks. Sep 21 12:33:41 roh, well at least for gtk+. Sep 21 12:34:17 roh, either way I will work on it, I may need you to do some testing as I'm low on hardware right now and will not have anything for another couple of weeks. Sep 21 12:36:32 Crofton|home, I'll check it out, I have not looked at that sight in a while. Sep 21 12:39:20 svolpe_gerrath, it would be a good place for non OE specific ingo Sep 21 12:39:22 er info Sep 21 12:44:26 roh, do you have something you can test the packages on for me? Sep 21 13:01:46 svolpe_gerrath if i get that app built yes.. if not i only can run existing apps on the moko or the emulator Sep 21 13:03:19 hmm bitbake complains about not having pysqlite2 but i do ?? Sep 21 13:15:34 roh, ok I will get the package to build and then check in the .bb, you can then pull them, build them and test them. Sep 21 13:37:33 nice Sep 21 14:50:15 mickeyl: good morning! Sep 21 14:50:21 heya Sep 21 14:50:25 * mickeyl back in Frankfurt Sep 21 14:50:32 for 2 days *cough* Sep 21 14:50:37 urg Sep 21 14:52:03 "With CPU power up to a 1.4 MHz Pentium," Sep 21 15:00:58 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r860b5b08... 10/ (11 files in 3 dirs): libgsmd: apply queued patches and updates from Andzej and Erin Sep 21 15:05:36 roh, do you have a personal email address you want me to send updates or just message you here? Sep 21 15:44:32 RP: know your itinary yet? Sep 21 15:44:46 ibot: spell itiniary Sep 21 15:44:49 possible spellings for itiniary: itinerary ordinary urinary stingray unitary ternary tannery Sep 21 15:44:54 morning Sep 21 16:00:46 03koen 07org.oe.dev * raa51acd5... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): linux-ezx: substitute 18bpp patch with RP's overlay patch and activate overlay for a780 Sep 21 16:23:44 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra740b472... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-ezx-2.6.21/a780/defconfig): linux-ezx: enable alternate mtd layout for a780 Sep 21 16:30:11 Anyone know why putting: Sep 21 16:30:16 build/conf/local.conf:PREFERRED_VERSION_cairo = "1.3.8" Sep 21 16:30:22 would be ignored by the build? Sep 21 16:31:34 Right now my builds are failing as I can't git ls-remote upstream cairo git tree Sep 21 16:31:43 but, I don't want to do that anyhow, I wanna use a static version Sep 21 17:46:48 Tartarus: cario 1.3.8 is not in OE -- at least the version I have: ls /packages/cairo/ Sep 21 17:48:36 I've got cairo_1.3.8.bb in my tree Sep 21 17:48:51 I found what I was looking for in general 'tho, BBMASK to ignore all cvs/svn/git snapshots Sep 21 18:09:02 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r07740531... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/openmoko-session2.bb): openmoko-session2: honour ${sysconfdir} instead of hardcoding /etc and mark matchbox-session as conffile since #$()*&@$*(&#@( ipkg keeps overwriting mine on my a780 Sep 21 18:10:42 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r07740531... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/openmoko-session2.bb): openmoko-session2: honour ${sysconfdir} instead of hardcoding /etc and mark matchbox-session as conffile since #$()*&@$*(&#@( ipkg keeps overwriting mine on my a780 Sep 21 18:10:49 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r168c993c... 10/ (1 packages/gsm/files/default packages/gsm/libgsmd_svn.bb): libgsmd: select 'ti' vendor for Ezx platforms, still not working, but a lot closer to the truth than using teh Broadcom vendor Sep 21 19:13:44 ibot: test Sep 21 19:13:45 Test Passed! Sep 21 20:07:46 mickeyl, gm Sep 21 20:07:55 greetings Crofton Sep 21 20:08:53 the gumstix list has given me an excellent description of the problem of "using oe" Sep 21 20:09:18 as opposed to developing OE :) Sep 21 20:09:30 http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=65AAF154-3C05-4836-952B-E5FF2E40E34C%40ecs.soton.ac.uk&forum_name=gumstix-users Sep 21 20:59:47 gm Sep 21 20:59:52 gm Sep 21 21:00:18 Crofton: How are you doing, thesis-wise, oe-wise and general-wise? Sep 21 21:00:38 I finished a paper that was due last week Sep 21 21:00:45 need to get edits from advisor Sep 21 21:00:52 need to start work on thesis again Sep 21 21:01:03 then I have OE time Sep 21 21:01:28 also trying to write down some thoughts on how we can work better with third parties Sep 21 21:01:35 figure out what the real issues are Sep 21 21:03:49 Crofton: from your point of view, with gumstix in mind? Sep 21 21:04:12 well, that I what is see get repeated Sep 21 21:04:22 I need to collect more people's perceptions Sep 21 21:04:27 of what problems are Sep 21 21:04:59 I'll send a list of what I see as issues to the dev list in a day or so Sep 21 21:05:05 and ask for more issues Sep 21 21:05:21 ok, good point, I'll try organising my mind on this. Sep 21 21:05:23 first try and define problems and document existing practice Sep 21 21:05:46 maybe the situation cannot be imporved after all :) Sep 21 21:06:38 rwhitby: do you have any NSLu2 devs in europe? Sep 21 21:07:24 zecke: I did one commit :-) Sep 21 21:08:31 Crofton: why would the OE devs be interested in working with 3rd parties, or work better with them? Sep 21 21:08:46 (playing devil's advocate here) Sep 21 21:08:54 so we can get rich Sep 21 21:08:56 because it pays off Sep 21 21:09:00 both projectwise Sep 21 21:09:02 :) Sep 21 21:09:05 world freedom Sep 21 21:09:06 and potentially employmentwise Sep 21 21:09:11 world domination Sep 21 21:09:25 less friction Sep 21 21:09:33 more momentum Sep 21 21:09:35 Rich is good Sep 21 21:10:10 less FUD Sep 21 21:10:18 * mickeyl brabbles something about a T and a Two Sep 21 21:10:19 more BAKE Sep 21 21:10:28 I need to add a section on reason we care Sep 21 21:10:53 Crofton: ok, that's what I was hoping for. Could you summarize above points made :-) Sep 21 21:11:21 mickeyl: seriously, what's t2's status compared with OE. Sep 21 21:15:19 likewise: no idea actually. i'm just very offended by their project member's attitude towards OE. Sep 21 21:15:31 mickeyl: oh? on the ml? Sep 21 21:20:51 And have it work out? Good damn question Sep 21 21:20:57 bah, wrong channel Sep 21 21:24:45 likewise: everywhere. on irc, on their website, in personal, etc. Sep 21 21:25:00 mickeyl: ok Sep 21 21:25:18 usually i don't give a damn ... Sep 21 21:25:29 but sometimes it annoys Sep 21 21:25:31 likewise: Some guy from t2 was haning out in #openmoko and really making an ass of himself Sep 21 21:25:31 *shrug* Sep 21 21:25:48 Didn't give a good impression at least Sep 21 21:30:14 the best way to deal with people like that is be better than them :) Sep 21 21:33:51 Crofton: If he would have been polite and nice, I would have tried a build with t2 just to see how it compares, but he just offended everyone. Sep 21 21:35:21 ya, right. Sep 21 21:35:27 it's all about the tone Sep 21 21:35:38 no need to piss off people, no matter the facts Sep 21 21:35:42 *shrug* Sep 21 21:35:46 we need to remember that ourselves :) Sep 21 21:35:50 true enough Sep 21 21:35:59 right, and forgive as well Sep 21 21:36:07 zecke: yes, we have some nslu2 devs in europe.http://www.nslu2-linux.org/developers.php Sep 21 21:36:08 todays clueless user could be tomorrows funding source Sep 21 21:37:07 rwhitby: I wonder if some one is fearless enough to come to OEDEM Sep 21 21:37:55 hmm - looking at the people in .eu, none of them are really active Sep 21 21:40:29 zecke: most nslu2 activity is now in the US Sep 21 21:41:13 mickeyl: what somafm station do you listen to? Sep 21 21:41:52 zecke: mostly groove salad and sometimes space station soma Sep 21 21:42:02 ok, time to go out Sep 21 21:42:24 zecke: if you like Laf0rge's style, you can tune "Doomed" Sep 21 21:42:25 need to decide on OEDEM soon Sep 21 21:42:30 Crofton: go for it Sep 21 21:42:32 l8r all Sep 21 21:42:44 mickeyl: that is what I'm currently listening to Sep 21 21:42:45 we'll find a way to refund you Sep 21 21:42:58 after all, that's what the TT money is for Sep 21 21:43:02 zecke: heh Sep 21 21:43:07 mickeyl, we'll work this out over the weekend Sep 21 21:43:07 doomed is too hard for me Sep 21 21:43:08 mickeyl: but there is no hard beat... Sep 21 21:43:09 bye **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 22 02:59:56 2007