**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 03 02:59:56 2007 Oct 03 06:47:51 03russf 07org.oe.dev * r49ebc809... 10/ (1 packages/portmap/portmap.inc): portmap: depend on fakeroot-native, closes #3016 Oct 03 06:47:59 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r47c30ebd... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-rp_2.6.22.bb): Oct 03 06:47:59 linux/linux-rp_2.6.22.bb : re-add the w100-extmem patch so that Ximageon Oct 03 06:47:59 works again. Oct 03 06:56:55 koen: can you give me a link to the first c7x0 autobuild that happens after now? Oct 03 06:57:20 XorA|gone: sure Oct 03 06:57:53 koen: that should make working c7x0 image to upload, but Id like to test just to make sure I have no more local stuff pending Oct 03 07:10:47 man, when you think the openmoko users run out of crack, you readL Oct 03 07:11:05 "I'm starting to think that it might be a good idea to start a new embedded Oct 03 07:11:05 distribution based on using fully distributed version control systemes Oct 03 07:11:06 like git or mercurial to check the upstream source code into, then apply Oct 03 07:11:06 all the openmoko/openembedded patches, check *those* in, and then do a Oct 03 07:11:07 build." Oct 03 07:12:30 koen: ...are they stupid, or just arrogant about SCMs? Oct 03 07:13:22 NAbyss_: dunno Oct 03 07:13:36 NAbyss_: carl worth seems to think it's a good idea Oct 03 07:13:43 but he's a git fanboy Oct 03 07:14:05 He really is, but he's not stupid that's for sure Oct 03 07:14:08 I wonder how they are going to handle conditional patches Oct 03 07:14:52 To me it seems like SCMs is the new vi vs emacs flame discussion topic Oct 03 07:15:04 and how people are going to like having to check out a 200 GB tree to build helloworld Oct 03 07:15:40 CM: Agreed.. we're having that discussion at work ATM Oct 03 07:15:42 not to mention non-redistributable sources and binaries Oct 03 07:15:58 Speaking of which.. given the experience with mtn in OE.. would anyone recommend /against/ using mtn? Oct 03 07:16:19 depends on what you want to do Oct 03 07:16:30 if you need to merge a lot, mtn is the way to go Oct 03 07:16:49 if you need to rebase you tree every week, git might be a better option Oct 03 07:17:16 however, to me as a user, mtn seems to be the slowest piece of software in the world Oct 03 07:17:26 Yeah, there'll be a few branches/merges with relative frequency (1-2 months between major merges) Oct 03 07:18:29 I've been forced to use ClearCase for 6 months at Ericsson and after that mtn feels lightning fast.. Oct 03 07:18:32 (During the initial build and checkout with MokoMakefile, mtn sat there downloading 24 MB of changes since the last snapshot: Took 3 hours with 100% CPU usage on a Pentium4 3 GHz machine) Oct 03 07:18:47  I've been hearing too much 'git threw away my local changes and I can't get them back' lately Oct 03 07:19:04 Henryk: yeah, initial checkout is a pain Oct 03 07:19:13 but OTOH you know everything is OK after that Oct 03 07:19:33 you can't have a corrupt mtn db Oct 03 07:26:09 * XorA|gone heard the word git and decides not to work today :-D Oct 03 07:27:38 see, the official openmoko maintainer goes on strike because of git ;) Oct 03 07:27:39 Today is national holiday anyway Oct 03 07:28:03 CM: Yeah, I've used CC before.. it's... solid but slow Oct 03 07:28:39 XorA|gone: You git! :P Oct 03 07:29:43 git is a form of terrorism, you will do what git wants even if it takes you 2 weeks to recover your work Oct 03 07:30:24 .oO(*sing* I can't git no ... satisfaction ...) Oct 03 07:32:11 my first experience of git was, git co, git commit, git pull, oh look all the stuff I commited has dissapeared, use tools like gitk, nope it really has dissapeared, rule out git as a form of SCM Oct 03 07:44:14 Greetings ! Oct 03 07:45:46 XorA|gone: I have no idea how you did that Oct 03 07:46:29 XorA|gone: at worst the local commits should have been left over as hanging patches Oct 03 07:46:43 hmmm which is the best option for a hotel in OEDEM ? Oct 03 07:47:25 OEDEM? Oct 03 07:48:21 http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/OEDEM2007 Oct 03 07:48:59 whats the DEM stand for? Oct 03 07:49:00 koen : hi ! Oct 03 07:49:42 * stelios-k|laptop looks for tickets and hotel now Oct 03 07:50:06 berlin should be cold to spend the night on a bench ;) Oct 03 07:57:21 yes, the weather recently took a change for the nasty Oct 03 07:58:23 it's quite easy to find a squat in berlin Oct 03 08:03:55 is it also common with mtn, when you run out of space mtn break something in _MTN and you've to checkout OE again (just happened to me yesterday) Oct 03 08:19:37 hmm, »ipkg: Cannot create symlink from ../gac/Mono.CompilerServices.SymbolWriter/2.0.0.0__0738eb9f132ed756/Mono.CompilerServices.SymbolWriter.dll to '../gac/Mono.CompilerServices.SymbolWriter/2.0.0.0__0738eb9f132ed756/Mono.CompilerServices.SymbolWritustar ': No such file or directory« when installing the libmono2.0-cil package. Can someone explain that? Especially the "ustar" bit at the end of the message is strange Oct 03 08:20:14 XorA|gone: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/images/c7x0/20071003/ Oct 03 08:22:36 koen: cheers Oct 03 08:23:08 Does somebody have any expirience with LPC3180 chip? Oct 03 08:26:09 Hmm, must be an ipkg-bug, the package is ok (e.g. can be read and unpacked successfully with dpkg) Oct 03 08:26:53 XorA|gone: what do you think about including browser2 in the openmoko image? Oct 03 08:33:56 Can anyone suggest why, after refreshing my sources, my uImage now gives me "invalid compressed format (err=1)" in u-boot, after passing checksum? This is on ARM. u-boot 1.1.4. Oct 03 08:36:09 does your uboot support zip compression? Oct 03 08:36:43 has compression changed? Oct 03 08:36:54 * russf looks at u-boot Oct 03 08:37:41 er.. yes. Previous image is gzip compressed. No problem. Oct 03 08:39:02 aha! new image is uncompressed! Oct 03 08:39:22 I guess uncompressed *would* be a in invalid "compressed format" Oct 03 08:40:48 I wonder why that has changed? Oct 03 08:41:57 And the two images are very close in size. I think it may be compressed, but flagged as not compressed. Oct 03 08:46:43 Oh, great. The name is simply too long. It's 106 bytes. Maximum length is 100 bytes, everything else is an extension. Oct 03 08:55:02 Henryk: I'm having troubles compiling mono for arm Oct 03 08:55:10 * koen waits for the error message to reapper Oct 03 08:58:12 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r5baa51da... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko-panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gsm_svn.bb): openmoko-panel-gsm: depend on libnotify Oct 03 09:04:51 Henryk: Oct 03 09:04:53 creating genmdesc Oct 03 09:04:54 perl genmdesc.pl __arm__ . ./cpu-arm.md cpu-arm.h arm_cpu_desc Oct 03 09:04:54 Invalid opcode arm_rsbs_imm at line 544 Oct 03 09:04:55 make[3]: *** [cpu-arm.h] Error 9 Oct 03 09:08:35 Hmm, that's somehow related to the arm mono port. Unfortunately I have absolutely nil knowledge in that area Oct 03 09:16:36 koen: can you give me the full compile log? Oct 03 09:18:02 yes Oct 03 09:28:41 Henryk: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/mono.log Oct 03 09:28:44 does anyone know much or use the pxa270 overlay? Oct 03 09:29:24 thanks, koen Oct 03 09:29:39 how to force the base fb to rgb555 format? Oct 03 09:30:18 ryan_: there is a patch in mplayer that shows how to do it Oct 03 09:30:35 ryan_: use overlay that is Oct 03 09:32:16 ok i'll check it out Oct 03 09:34:02 packages/mplayer/files/pxa-video_out.patch Oct 03 09:43:29 uhhh. I use ptxdist, is the path from open embedded? Oct 03 09:44:07 dump ptxdist and switch to OE :) Oct 03 09:44:28 ryan_: yes, its in OE Oct 03 09:44:37 :) thanx Oct 03 09:58:17 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r8e5d57b4... 10/ (1 packages/ixp4xx/ixp4xx-npe_2.4.bb): ixp4xx-npe: correct download link and instructions Oct 03 09:58:24 03koen 07org.oe.dev * r13b5ec3d... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/mplayer_svn.bb): mplayer: depend on xsp Oct 03 10:12:11 gm Oct 03 10:13:04 hey likewise Oct 03 10:47:16 koen: hmm, I can't really explain why it fails for you. that genmdesc.pl command is the same that runs fine for me. The error message means that it couldn't find arm_rsbs_imm in its opcode table. That table is generated by calling cpp -undef -U__i386__ -U__x86_64__ [and some more] -U__arm__ -D__arm__ ./mini-ops.h and mini-ops.h has the definition of arm_rsbs_imm in a #if defined(__arm__) block Oct 03 11:05:39 stelios-k|laptop, ping Oct 03 11:15:27 ~seen Jin^eLD Oct 03 11:15:30 jin^eld was last seen on IRC in channel #oe, 7d 50m 6s ago, saying: 're'. Oct 03 11:56:36 03xora 07org.oe.dev * rb197b98e... 10/ (1 packages/mplayer/mplayer_svn.bb): mplayer/mplayer_svn.bb : disable imageon as building is broken Oct 03 11:57:26 anyone know how to get from Tegel to OEDEM? Oct 03 12:11:56 Crofton|home: go to central station (hauptbahnhof, hbf) and take the subway from there Oct 03 12:13:58 ok Oct 03 12:14:14 you arrive at hbf? Oct 03 12:14:31 Crofton: TXL bus Oct 03 12:15:01 where does the bus stop? Oct 03 12:20:06 ah TXL to subway/train Oct 03 12:22:20 zecke, how do I get from Tegel to OEDEM? Oct 03 12:23:00 Crofton|home: hey, there was koen's proposal to go to the central station Oct 03 12:23:11 Crofton|home: and the only way out is using the bus :) Oct 03 12:23:52 Crofton|home: let's meet up at central station at 13:30 or something Oct 03 12:23:54 so use bus to central station? Oct 03 12:24:10 ok, I will need to drop my bags somewhere Oct 03 12:24:14 3 hours should be enough for an american to find it ;) Oct 03 12:24:23 heh Oct 03 12:24:24 file-native_4.21.bb fails to download. where can I specify SRC_URI for it? Oct 03 12:24:40 I have not purchased the Germanyt card for my nuvi ... Oct 03 12:24:46 Dmitry_Platonov: use DISTRO=angstrom-2007.1 Oct 03 12:25:07 I have located a subway map and am memorizing it ... Oct 03 12:25:38 How does the TXL bus work? Oct 03 12:25:40 Crofton|home: www.bvg.de is for the metro system and I think all of you should get a day ticket Oct 03 12:26:05 koen, I'm using generic for now. I'm aiming to build my own distro later. Does DISTRO=angstrom-2007.1 alters SRC_URI? Oct 03 12:26:25 generic suffers from bitrot Oct 03 12:26:28 Dmitry_Platonov: it doesn't alter SRC_URI, but it isn't broken like generic Oct 03 12:27:00 zecke zone A good? Oct 03 12:27:14 doing your own distro is a waste of time Oct 03 12:27:33 Crofton|home, bitrot? Oct 03 12:27:42 hmm Oct 03 12:27:46 Crofton|home: I think you get only A and B but that is fine Oct 03 12:27:52 basically, no one maintains it Oct 03 12:27:56 koen, I need very minimalistic embedded distro for specific hardware Oct 03 12:28:10 Dmitry_Platonov, start from angstrom Oct 03 12:28:17 Dmitry_Platonov: right, that's within angstrom's capabilities Oct 03 12:28:20 most isze issues are more realted to image selection Oct 03 12:28:38 * Crofton|home sees the need for distro versus image PR Oct 03 12:28:45 Isn't angstrom glibc-based? Oct 03 12:29:09 Dmitry_Platonov: no, you can choose between glibc, eglibc and uclibc Oct 03 12:30:06 koen, how can I? Oct 03 12:30:49 6.1 euro for day pass? Oct 03 12:30:50 ANGSTROM_MODE="uclibc" in local.conf Oct 03 12:32:38 koen, Crofton: thanks, I'll try to start from angstrom. Oct 03 12:35:24 should we consider 7 day tickets? Oct 03 12:36:31 if that's cheaper than 6x one day ticket Oct 03 12:37:14 25.40 versus 6.10 Oct 03 12:38:09 it is clsoe Oct 03 12:38:11 Crofton|home: we don't need it during the day, only if we want to go out at nights Oct 03 12:38:31 yeah Oct 03 12:38:45 although I may ride up from hotel Oct 03 12:39:42 maybe not Oct 03 12:39:43 ok Oct 03 12:48:05 yo hrw Oct 03 12:48:05 hi everybody Oct 03 12:49:48 hrw: welcome back -- how was the trip Oct 03 12:50:30 cbrake: great Oct 03 12:54:33 do we know if tf_ is coming? Oct 03 12:57:17 03koen 07org.oe.dev * ra806a9f3... 10/ (1 conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc): sanesrcrevs: bump more openmoko stuff after testing it on the neo Oct 03 12:57:21 03xora 07org.oe.dev * ra5257d19... 10/ (1 packages/openmoko2/openmoko-theme-standard2_svn.bb): Oct 03 12:57:21 openmoko2/openmoko-theme-standard2_svn.bb : remove creation of gtkrc Oct 03 12:57:21 on request of cwiiis Oct 03 12:57:21 XorA: Hi - could you remove the creation of /etc/gtk-2.0/gtkrc from packages/openmoko2/openmoko-theme-standard2_svn.bb please? It breaks setting the theme and as far as I can tell, isn't necessary Oct 03 13:16:20 can I setup overlay? Oct 03 13:16:25 +how Oct 03 13:16:35 good morning Oct 03 13:16:42 Dmitry_Platonov: see the bitbake manual Oct 03 13:17:46 In my search for why libstdc++ gets pulled in by gnuplot I came across this error message in my build output: Oct 03 13:17:52 ERROR: QA issue: libstdc++.la failed sanity test (reference to workdir or installed) Oct 03 13:18:17 What does this mean? Oct 03 13:19:38 sakoman: The libstdc++.la file which was being packaged has references to workdir or is installed, either of which are bad Oct 03 13:30:45 XorA: yay!!!!! no more gtkrc overwriting Oct 03 13:31:11 'is installed' -> installed=yes in the .la file Oct 03 13:32:17 RP: any idea what can cause that to happen? As far as I know, nothing needs libstdc++ Oct 03 13:35:08 berlin highs will be 16, lows 5, correct? Oct 03 13:36:49 yeah, it should not snow Oct 03 13:37:49 who cares about snow, we need good beer Oct 03 13:37:57 I should stay here, weekend weather is 25-26 highs Oct 03 13:38:40 bah, need to go to motivational meeting Oct 03 13:38:50 ah, hrw is back as well :) Oct 03 13:38:51 one that will motivate me to graduate Oct 03 13:40:26 morning all Oct 03 13:48:27 can I tell bitbake do not hide child process output? Oct 03 13:49:05 -D Oct 03 13:54:58 thanks, koen Oct 03 13:59:09 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r93f701ab... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Oct 03 13:59:09 linux/linux-openmoko/defconfig-2.6.22.5-fic-gta0? : make both of these Oct 03 13:59:09 defconfigs the same. The aim of OM kernel is to boot on both devices and Oct 03 13:59:09 now it does. Oct 03 14:01:43 Crofton|home: the relief is enormous. at least it was for me. Oct 03 14:01:48 sakoman: That library is built as part of glibc Oct 03 14:02:27 libstdc++ is built with gcc Oct 03 14:02:36 RP: I'm uclibc angstrrom Oct 03 14:02:49 sakoman: right, listen to zecke ;-) Oct 03 14:03:16 How do I tell gnuplot not to link with libstdc++ ? Oct 03 14:03:51 sakoman: use gcc as linker Oct 03 14:04:09 sakoman: when it wants some symbols like new/delete make it link to -lsupc++ Oct 03 14:04:23 Does that require modifying the gnuplot recipe? Oct 03 14:05:06 * Crofton wonders why tivo is up 5% Oct 03 14:27:41 is there a way to figure out what pkg-config sees for a package? Right now, it thinks I have gstreamer 0.8, but I have gstreamer-0.10 which is what I need to build a package but it won't get through configure Oct 03 14:27:58 btw, i did get gtkpod and libgpod built if anyone thinks it could be of value to them Oct 03 14:28:15 morning Oct 03 14:28:26 morning Oct 03 14:31:39 christopher: any bitbake or fix is welcome Oct 03 14:34:44 hi likewise. Oct 03 14:37:02 HopsNBarley: hi andy Oct 03 14:39:43 likewise: ok. Oct 03 14:40:49 How should I deal with packages that need ./autogen.sh to be run before ./configure exists? should autotools handle that? Oct 03 14:42:36 zecke: not quite sure how to modify the gnuplot recipe to implement your suggestion Oct 03 14:43:16 sakoman: well, I would start with changing the Makefile inside the workdir and do it until things work ;) Oct 03 14:43:51 zecke: OK, good idea :-) Oct 03 14:44:04 sakoman: then I would use quilt to create a new patch, edit the Makefile.am, run the temp/run.do_configure (and then run.do_compile) until it works (make sure to "make clean" first) Oct 03 14:46:28 bye Oct 03 14:55:21 ~botmail for mickeyl mtn push ssh://zecke@zwergnase/~mickey/foo/repository.mtn branch works nicely with monotone Oct 03 14:57:02 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r369c1778... 10/ (1 argtable argtable/argtable_2.7.bb): argtable 2.7: add package Oct 03 14:57:07 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r63ff287b... 10/ (1 MAINTAINERS): MAINTAINERS: add argtable to my recipies Oct 03 14:57:11 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r3fbb4f20... 10/ (1 packages/linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.22.5.bb): Oct 03 14:57:11 linux/linux-openmoko_2.6.22.5.bb : version bump to get new defconfig that Oct 03 14:57:11 allows same kernel on GTA01/2 Oct 03 15:24:12 stelios-k|laptop, ping Oct 03 15:38:38 sakoman, how do I source a file in kermit again? Oct 03 15:51:01 Crofton: what are you trying to do? Oct 03 15:55:27 Hi. I am having trouble making gcc-cross-sdk work for powerpc32 arch. Oct 03 15:57:58 The fixincludes and libiberty directories are compiled with my default host compiler (gcc from Ubuntu for x86) which breaks when including sys/cdefs.h which is taken from gcc-cross-sdk build directory Oct 03 15:58:36 Before I go to far, please speak up if anyone is here that believes he/she might help :-) Oct 03 16:14:24 PKG_CONFIG="/oe/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/pkgconfig" Oct 03 16:15:05 | checking for arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-pkg-config... no Oct 03 16:15:05 | checking for pkg-config... /oe/build/tmp/staging/i686-linux/bin/pkg-config Oct 03 16:15:09 sorry about that first line. Oct 03 16:15:18 can anyone explain those last two lines to me in configure? Oct 03 16:15:47 that is, I am trying to build rhythmbox and it isn't finding gstreamer and I think is because it isn't looking at the arm's pkgconfig directory Oct 03 16:16:20 | checking for SOUNDSYSTEM... no Oct 03 16:16:20 | configure: error: GStreamer not found, or older than version 0.8.1 Oct 03 16:16:23 so then I get that Oct 03 16:17:01 03xora 07org.oe.dev * r886aada8... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Oct 03 16:17:01 uboot/u-boot-mkimage-openmoko-native_oe.bb : make build include dirs be Oct 03 16:17:01 before system dirs to we dont pick up /usr/include and /usr/local/include Oct 03 16:17:01 when we dont want to. Oct 03 16:24:04 gcc-cross-sdk builds the "fixincludes" and "libiberty" dirs of gcc with native compiler, but using target headers. This breaks for PPC target on x86 due to problem with __LDBL_COMPAT define (long double compatibility) Oct 03 16:24:31 I believe I have a fix, which most likely is more of a hack than a fix. Oct 03 16:31:05 http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2006-December/001025.html Oct 03 16:31:17 describe my problem quite well. Oct 03 16:31:29 10 months ago.... Oct 03 16:36:06 Crofton: if you are asking about the config stuff it would be "take filename" Oct 03 16:36:27 christopher: I have a recipe that checks for gstreamer in configure.in: http://pastebin.ca/724453 Oct 03 16:36:53 christopher: you may want to compare that to the rhythmbox configure.ac/in Oct 03 16:37:15 christopher: you may also want to run pkg-config manually from a devshell and see what it returns. Oct 03 16:38:26 *sigh* with a hack to get around the long double bug, I just hit bug #1938 :-( Oct 03 16:40:24 christopher: for instance, on one of my builds, I get the following: see updated http://pastebin.ca/724459 Oct 03 16:44:37 koen: Could you please apply http://people.openmoko.org/henryk/mono-genmdesc-verbose.patch to your local tree and try to rebuild mono, then give me the output? It will make genmdesc.pl print out loads of debugging info Oct 03 16:51:28 Henryk: mono is very finicky about parallel make. I'm going to disable it for the native and mcs builds. I doubt it is causing problems with koens build, but something to keep in mind. Oct 03 16:52:47 cbrake: hmm, ok. (I *think* I had no problems, but I only run two threads) Oct 03 16:53:12 Henryk: we should probably also add perl-native DEPENDS to all recipies? Oct 03 16:53:30 Henryk: it must be a race -- I've not seen the problem every time, but when I did I had 4 threads going Oct 03 16:58:08 whois Jonas Hurrelmann? Oct 03 17:04:12 Henryk: parallel make issues confirmed: http://pastebin.ca/724492 Oct 03 17:05:49 cbrake: ok Oct 03 17:32:12 oh, it seemed like such a good idea to use a euro based domain house years ago Oct 03 17:32:30 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r285d1b54... 10/ (3 files in 2 dirs): mono 1.2.5.1: disable parallel make due to build issues in the MCS tree Oct 03 17:32:36 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * r4ea5a9ae... 10/ (7 files in 2 dirs): mono: drop old partially finished versions of mono Oct 03 17:32:41 03cbrake 07org.oe.dev * rc61fb5f5... 10/ (4 files in 2 dirs): mono 1.2.5.1: add perl-native to DEPENDS Oct 03 17:38:13 Henryk: error log with your patch: http://ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl/tmp/mono.log Oct 03 17:40:51 * zecke continues fixing workstation... Oct 03 17:41:02 Crofton : So you are coming over for OEDEM ? Oct 03 17:44:13 ~lart yaffs Oct 03 17:44:14 * ibot strangles yaffs with a doohicky mouse cord Oct 03 17:44:30 yeah Oct 03 17:45:51 Crofton : So you are coming over for OEDEM ? Oct 03 17:45:56 yes Oct 03 17:46:06 Leave tomorrow afternoon Oct 03 17:46:09 sorry wrong key... Oct 03 17:46:13 how was your trip? Oct 03 17:46:16 heh Oct 03 17:46:52 Interesting.... Thanks to BA and Heathrow spend a day without any clothes Oct 03 17:47:00 Hmm... the sbox Wiki page on creating an OE toolchain seems like the only working information on how to built an "installable" OE toolchain at the moment. Oct 03 17:47:11 for powerpc32 at least. Oct 03 17:47:54 Crofton : In Arizona went for a hot air ballon ride to see the desert Oct 03 17:48:39 neat Oct 03 17:48:42 then another 22+ hours return home with a 6 hour layover in Heathrow Oct 03 17:48:45 did you take pictures? Oct 03 17:48:52 yeah and video Oct 03 17:49:16 hopefully not video of you without clothes :) Oct 03 17:49:28 hehe Oct 03 17:49:41 stelios-k|laptop: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/cms/playing-with-the-dht-walnut-board Oct 03 17:49:59 stelios-k|laptop, when do you arrive in Berlin? Oct 03 17:50:11 don't know yet.... Oct 03 17:50:15 urg Oct 03 17:50:54 got all these appointments piled up and need to see how i can clear a few things before leaving again Oct 03 17:53:07 Esben : go to wwww.digital-opsis.com, use login (need to create an account but its free) and download oplinux-0.2-beta2. This has gcc 4.1.1/glibc 2.5 and uclibc 0.9.28 working for ppc405 ppc440 and ppc603 Oct 03 17:53:26 yeah Oct 03 17:53:43 well, I want to hear about your trip sometime Oct 03 17:53:52 koen : will be bringing more *new* boards to play with Oct 03 17:54:15 I'll bring the gumstix and the display Craig sent Oct 03 17:54:29 and my laptop can build images Oct 03 17:54:51 Crofton : I think will get plenty of time to chat between beers :) Oct 03 17:54:57 great Oct 03 17:55:05 ok, I need to go hide Oct 03 17:55:13 make some edits and pack Oct 03 17:55:24 koen: hmm, ok, somehow the cpp step doesn't work. apparently it's using a different cpp than for the rest of us. Oct 03 17:55:25 plane leaves tomorrw at 1 PM Oct 03 17:55:30 Does anyone know if there is inet access at the place where the meeting will be ? Oct 03 17:55:31 we can do cool stuff during the sprints Oct 03 17:55:32 arrive Berlin at like 10 AM Oct 03 17:55:50 stelios-k|laptop, allegedly my hotel has free wireless :) Oct 03 17:56:39 but it is 1K walk Oct 03 17:57:00 heh i hope it has better inet access than the one at Phoenix... When 700+ people tryed to connect the little Cisco box that was handling the inet gave up Oct 03 17:57:11 heh Oct 03 17:57:22 yeah, conferences are always like that Oct 03 17:57:39 ouch Oct 03 17:57:48 ok, going home Oct 03 17:57:55 We think it run out of memory for nat tables etc Oct 03 17:58:35 cbrake: what do you think: Either patch the genmdesc.pl script to use a cpp from the staging area, or patch mini-ops.h to remove the defined(__arm__) check Oct 03 18:00:26 BTW i told Mark Mitchell of CodeSourcery that OE has eglibc support and asked if he could get a link+wording on that, so they can ut Oct 03 18:00:34 put it on their website Oct 03 18:01:48 koen : You could switch Angstrom to use gcc 4.1.1 for the ppc till we solve the gcc 4.2 issues Oct 03 18:02:00 for ppc405 Oct 03 18:02:09 603e seems to work fine Oct 03 18:02:10 ~seen pH5 Oct 03 18:02:14 ph5 was last seen on IRC in channel #htc-linux, 2d 22h 49m 28s ago, saying: 'good night'. Oct 03 18:02:18 Henryk: looking at genmdesc.pl ... Oct 03 18:03:14 koen : its 440 also for the sequoia board Oct 03 18:04:06 koen : i think the problem will be the float point stuff on 405. 440 might not have a problem as it has an fpu Oct 03 18:04:37 * stelios-k|laptop makes a note to look at this as soon as time permits Oct 03 18:06:09 Henryk: I'd be inclined to patch genmdesc.pl -- seems like anything where we rely on the host stuff is asking for trouble. But, I don't fully understand this problem yet. Oct 03 18:07:12 Henryk: next time you see me in a S-Bahn you are free to say hello ;) Oct 03 18:07:58 cbrake: the way this works is that there is a list of opcode in mini-ops.h, which is a C include file. genmdesc reads this file and parses it with regexps in order to populate its list of opcodes. in order to not have to implement "#ifdef" they chose to have genmdesc.pl pass the file through cpp first Oct 03 18:08:12 zecke: hmm, do I know how you look like? Oct 03 18:08:39 well..., I saw you in the camp Oct 03 18:09:19 zecke: uh, sorry. I'm terrible at remembering people Oct 03 18:10:28 Henryk: so if we patched mini-ops.h, then the build would only work for ARM? Oct 03 18:10:51 sed :) Oct 03 18:11:20 cbrake: right Oct 03 18:11:24 zecke: wanna help getting llvm to work in OE during OEDEM? Oct 03 18:12:10 koen: maybe ;) Oct 03 18:13:27 Henryk: seems like fixing genmdesc.pl would be prefered then. Unless we determine the architecture and then strip the right sections out of mini-ops.h using sed (perhaps what koen is suggesting) Oct 03 18:13:52 cbrake: jupp Oct 03 18:13:53 Henryk: the guy who started the mono recipies was targetting MIPS :-) Oct 03 18:14:26 hmmk Oct 03 18:15:05 zecke: ok, I'm sorry. When did I meet^Wignore you? Oct 03 18:15:37 Henryk: hehe, a couple of weeks ago in the S-Bahn from Friedrichstrasse, you left at Alexanderplatz IIRC ;) Oct 03 18:16:28 zecke: uh, ok. then I was leaving CCC and probably very tired Oct 03 18:16:39 I'll try to recognize you next time Oct 03 19:09:07 shit, yaffs-utils-native needs a linux-kernel-native recipe Oct 03 19:17:14 * XorA cries at yaffs code quality Oct 03 19:24:40 koen: http://people.openmoko.org/henryk/mono-genmdesc-cpp.patch should fix the issue you are seeing Oct 03 19:24:45 XorA: btw why did you added that argtable package in oe root? :) Oct 03 19:24:57 ynezz: not me Oct 03 19:25:01 ah sorry Oct 03 19:25:23 it was merge with your commit Oct 03 19:32:15 * XorA hits the webkit failure Oct 03 19:33:10 XorA: ? Oct 03 19:33:33 /home/dp/zaurus/build-ang/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/lib/libicui18n. Oct 03 19:33:33 so: undefined reference to `operator delete(void*)@GLIBCXX_3.4 Oct 03 19:33:35 etc etc Oct 03 19:33:55 night everyone Oct 03 19:34:57 XorA: http://pidgin.im/~seanegan/webkit6.gif Oct 03 19:35:28 * zecke wonders if the CXX abi was not changed in 4.0,4.1 Oct 03 19:35:36 XorA: add -lsupc++ to the linker Oct 03 19:36:03 damn C++ should be banned Oct 03 19:36:24 anyway I have food to eat, more important than c++ Oct 03 19:36:41 hehe, enjoy it Oct 03 19:36:43 good night stelios, anyone heard how stelios' presentation went? Oct 03 19:37:03 XorA: but again, this hell, do you want to send C++ to the heaven? Oct 03 19:39:07 XorA: rm /libicu* ; bitbake -c rebuild icu Oct 03 19:39:15 it happens every now and then, no idea why Oct 03 19:39:29 likewise, I think you need to come to Berlin to hear :) Oct 03 19:39:39 ~lart evolution... for the welcome dialog not fitting on a 1280x... display Oct 03 19:39:40 * ibot pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps evolution... for the welcome dialog not fitting on a 1280x... display Oct 03 19:39:51 Crofton||home: yeah, I guess I really NEED to go there Oct 03 19:40:00 :) Oct 03 19:40:15 He sounds like he has alot of catching up to do after his trip Oct 03 19:44:02 hi crofton Oct 03 19:47:03 Crofton||home: in what sense cathing up? Oct 03 19:47:23 stuff that did not get done during his trip Oct 03 19:47:31 sounds like standard stuff after a trip Oct 03 20:00:04 ynezz: I added the package -- is there a better place to put it? Oct 03 20:01:48 packages? Oct 03 20:02:01 packages/argtable Oct 03 20:02:01 ynezz: argtable Oct 03 20:05:26 I am really on the task-base is too bloated bandwagon :) Oct 03 20:06:03 Crofton|home: welcome aboard :-) Oct 03 20:06:04 I have this argument with myself, most modules should be RECOMMENDS because you do not need them to boot Oct 03 20:06:31 but, that means minimal-image does not have them and console image is a big step :) Oct 03 20:06:39 Crofton|home: actually, I've been wanting to see if its possible to put together a slimmer image, but have not had time Oct 03 20:07:30 Crofton|home: I think there needs to be something between minimal-image and console-image Oct 03 20:07:50 yeah, the questions is how to get there Oct 03 20:08:03 hopefully we can get some of this resolved next week Oct 03 20:08:06 heh, harald shows his cluelesness Oct 03 20:08:15 * koen pities XorA Oct 03 20:08:43 first openmoko people make gtk+ machine specific and now openmoko people complain about it being machine specific Oct 03 20:11:28 can someone do FOO -= "bar" in bitbake ? Oct 03 20:11:39 nud: you can't Oct 03 20:11:40 like in "if bar is in $FOO, remove it" Oct 03 20:36:19 koen|away: That email did make me smile, particularly the gtk bit :) Oct 03 20:36:35 XorA: The one kernel bit could be interesting... Oct 03 20:37:07 FOO = "${@(bb.data.getVar("FOO",d,1) or "").replace("bar","")}" or something along those line Oct 03 20:37:10 is this a bright guy with no common sense sort of issue? Oct 03 20:37:40 Question for the experienced of you... How concerned should one be about QA issues? Oct 03 20:45:05 * cbrake needs to find a regex lib for C ... Oct 03 20:49:02 cbrake: the one in glibc is not good enough? Oct 03 20:49:09 cbrake: then pcre is the only other contender Oct 03 20:49:21 zecke: should be if uclibc has something equivalent Oct 03 20:49:33 zecke: thanks, I'll check out pcre as well Oct 03 20:52:12 RP: pardon? Oct 03 20:52:55 RP: ah, I see, yeah same kernel boots on GTA01 and GTA02 Oct 03 21:00:05 How can I investigate the RDEPENDS (i.e. by what package is a shared lib rdepended on). I am now using objdump across the rootfs, but I'ld rather to this upfront. Oct 03 21:01:18 Henryk: koen|away: I pushed Henry's genmdesc patch -- seems like a good thing to have regardless if it fixes koen's build problem. Oct 03 21:01:22 Ah, I can investigate the Package file Oct 03 21:02:02 XorA, your number is in my phone Oct 03 21:02:28 ut oh, the NSA will be after me now :-) Oct 03 21:03:07 likewise: will the *.shlibdeps files give you that information? Oct 03 21:03:50 likewise: I guess that is only for automatically determined deps Oct 03 21:04:22 cbrake: Ideally, I would like to see an rdepends tree (that is the merger of hardcoded and auto-detected deps) Oct 03 21:04:39 likewise: yes, that would be very useful Oct 03 21:04:53 cbrake: However, some grep with objdump does the job for me now Oct 03 21:05:36 likewise: does objdump tell you any more information than the .shlibdeps? Oct 03 21:06:04 cbrake: no I guess the latter is generated using objdump even Oct 03 21:09:42 RP: where is this email, I cant find it Oct 03 21:11:24 what OE distro do you preconize for a N770 tablet ? Oct 03 21:12:14 RP: is ok, found it Oct 03 21:28:16 03henryk 07org.oe.dev * r841a5712... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): mono 1.2.5.1: patch genmdesc.pl to use cpp from staging instead of host Oct 03 21:58:28 * chouimat|ibook is away: need a few beers Oct 03 21:58:43 * XorA calls it quits after a mediocre of success Oct 03 22:05:28 hi koen (-; Oct 03 22:30:00 is it correct to use SRCREV="${AUTOREV}" ? to get head svn revision Oct 03 22:30:54 it gets expanded to correct revision, but then it's called unexpanded 'svn co -r ${AUTOREV}' Oct 03 22:32:05 scruggs, ping Oct 03 22:33:21 Crofton: hey Oct 03 22:34:41 any luck with u-boot and network? Oct 03 22:34:44 I'm leaving for Berlin tomorrow Oct 03 22:34:47 not yet Oct 03 22:35:10 I can see I need to add a gumstix u-boot recipe Oct 03 22:35:14 that should be a blast Oct 03 22:35:35 I've thought about that, but with no jtag I'm a bit gunshy Oct 03 22:35:46 heh Oct 03 22:35:48 yeah Oct 03 22:35:51 good point Oct 03 22:36:03 I will deal with serial for a bit Oct 03 22:36:11 the problem is the number of permuations Oct 03 22:36:22 does it boot for you now? Oct 03 22:36:32 I'll see if we can find a good way for a module ot autload from an ipk Oct 03 22:36:36 yeah it boots Oct 03 22:36:43 I should be able to do serial work Oct 03 22:36:54 do you have networking in linux? Oct 03 22:37:00 working on getting the netwifimicroSD wired driver going Oct 03 22:37:05 not yet Oct 03 22:37:12 grrr... Oct 03 22:37:33 it is just hoops to jump through thogh Oct 03 22:37:49 I will be travelling and recovering the next couple of days Oct 03 22:37:50 I usually try and use flashcp from in linux Oct 03 22:38:02 never done that Oct 03 22:38:10 I am pretty good with u-boot Oct 03 22:38:12 you're not going to do much recovering on the plane :) Oct 03 22:38:31 no, Friday I have to stay up as long as possible Oct 03 22:38:34 I think I could flash a fs + kernel with kermit in my sleep Oct 03 22:38:42 heh Oct 03 22:38:49 I am like that on the OSK Oct 03 22:39:36 alright, I need to review some stuff and finsih packing Oct 03 22:39:48 yeah.. I've been screwing with these gumstix for 3+ years - can't imagine how many times I've typed those commands... Oct 03 22:39:55 rofl Oct 03 22:40:15 have you been to Berlin before? Oct 03 22:40:20 no Oct 03 22:40:27 scruggs, Crofton: just tried wifistix with wpa-supplicant. works just fine. Oct 03 22:40:33 cool Oct 03 22:40:40 sweet Oct 03 22:40:47 so you basically have an image assembly problem Oct 03 22:40:48 I'd been putting that off :) Oct 03 22:40:59 But it pulls in gnutls which makes it too big Oct 03 22:41:33 I'm upgrading the recipe from 0.5.5 to 0.5.8 which includes a built in tls which is only 50Kish Oct 03 22:41:40 you mean what I'm trying to do with the patch? Oct 03 22:58:09 RP: this patch fixes the problem with not working SRCREV="${AUTOREV}" for me - http://ynezz.true.cz/autorev-fix.patch Oct 03 22:59:01 RP: the problem was not expanded ${AUTOREV} -> /usr/bin/env svn co -r ${AUTOREV} https://svn... Oct 03 22:59:20 RP: dunno if it's correct fix, but works for me Oct 03 23:00:49 ynezz: it's even easier: change the 0 into 1, that parameter tells it to expand Oct 03 23:01:31 nice :) Oct 03 23:03:57 patch updated, thanks Oct 03 23:30:34 scruggs: is the wifistix stuff working for you now? Oct 03 23:37:41 yep Oct 03 23:38:23 I'm pushing the stuff to buidl teh wired driver on teh netwifimicroSD card Oct 03 23:38:39 I need to get it on my laptop so I can look at it over the weekend :) Oct 03 23:43:58 03crofton 07org.oe.dev * rf73119cc... 10/ (3 files in 3 dirs): gumstix-verdex : Add support for wired network interface on netwifimicroSD card. Oct 03 23:45:10 hopefulyl I did that right Oct 03 23:45:15 dinner time Oct 03 23:45:55 enjoy! Oct 03 23:46:10 ttyl Crofton! Oct 03 23:47:02 scruggs: doing a clean build now with the latest supplicant release. hope I didn't botch the recipe :-) Oct 03 23:47:45 sakoman: have you tried to scp files with the wifistix? Oct 03 23:48:08 hmmm . . . not yet. let me try. Oct 03 23:49:44 mine appears to work but any files I copy to the stix are empty with a filesize of 0 Oct 03 23:50:23 but it works with wget, so I'm guessing mabye a bug in dropbear? I really haven't looked into it yet Oct 03 23:51:49 scruggs: not working for me Oct 03 23:51:57 can't ssh in either! Oct 03 23:52:04 well... at least its not just me Oct 03 23:52:09 grumble Oct 03 23:52:54 I can ssh from it - not to it Oct 03 23:54:24 When I try to ssh the is a very long delay, then I get the RSA key message and a password prompt Oct 03 23:54:39 doesn't like no password though! Oct 03 23:54:53 Wonder if one is required for ssh? Oct 03 23:56:15 ok - Oct 03 23:56:30 after the delay, I WAS able to login with no password Oct 03 23:56:41 are you getting an ip via dhcp? Oct 03 23:56:49 yes, dhcp Oct 03 23:56:52 me too Oct 03 23:57:04 I bet the delay is a dns resolve issue Oct 03 23:57:18 could be Oct 03 23:57:29 don't understand the password thing though! Oct 03 23:57:35 I seem to remember encountering that somewhere else Oct 03 23:57:51 I just hit at the pw prompt Oct 03 23:57:55 and it logged me in Oct 03 23:57:58 I see now that scp has the same long delay and password request Oct 03 23:58:26 root@192.168.0.18's password: Oct 03 23:58:26 Permission denied, please try again. Oct 03 23:58:46 grumble Oct 03 23:58:51 for me scp actually runs and appears to copy files to the stix, but upon examination they are empty and size=0 Oct 03 23:59:09 well, got to run right now, so I'll have to look at it later Oct 03 23:59:17 Hope you find it first :-) Oct 03 23:59:31 thanks :) Oct 03 23:59:35 take it easy! Oct 04 00:00:03 OK, ttyl Oct 04 00:20:54 hey all Oct 04 00:21:09 is there a way to change the method of hashing bitbake uses when putting BB files into the cache? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Oct 04 02:59:56 2007