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Mar 19 03:14:23 <moonchild> hey guys
Mar 19 03:34:25 <kergoth> am i reading this schedule right? there are *6* yocto presentations at ELC, one general OE presentation, and one yocto birds of a feather session?
Mar 19 03:34:31 <kergoth> holy cow, talk about coverage
Mar 19 03:36:13 * ka6sox-farfarawa wonders which ones to go to.
Mar 19 03:38:26 * kergoth should see if mentor will send him.. haven't talked to them about the possibility -- though i think they're sending tom for the tsc meeting, so they might not be willing to
Mar 19 03:40:10 <ka6sox-farfarawa> ah
Mar 19 03:58:43 <swerge> is anyone around? I have a couple of questions about bitbake
Mar 19 04:19:35 <swerge> hey guys, I'm looking for some info on bitbake
Mar 19 04:21:04 <swerge> ...I've been googling the stuff out there in various places, but what I'm looking for is kind of a mid-to-high level 'how it works' document
Mar 19 05:17:07 <swerge> hey Jefro
Mar 19 05:19:18 <swerge> if you are here, I'm starting to look at bitbake for a non-oe project of mine, but really want to understand what all it does & offers before diving down a rathole
Mar 19 05:44:06 <swerge> hey ka6sox-away
Mar 19 05:44:21 <swerge> is anyone around?
Mar 19 05:44:30 <ka6sox-away> hiya swerge gotta run out before things close...bb20m
Mar 19 05:45:05 <swerge> is there a better place for me to look for some info on bitbake?
Mar 19 05:45:36 <ka6sox-away> this is the place but everyone is still sleeping in .eu and .us is going to bed.
Mar 19 05:46:16 <ka6sox-away> I assume you have been to the berlios site already.
Mar 19 06:29:06 <swerge> id anyone around?
Mar 19 06:29:09 <swerge> *is
Mar 19 06:29:41 <swerge> I'll post the question here for anyone monitoring the chan
Mar 19 06:30:36 <swerge> I'm evaluating using bitbake for a custom (non-embedded) linux distro
Mar 19 06:31:04 <swerge> I've been googling the bitbake documentation
Mar 19 06:31:47 <swerge> and I haven't found the 'how-it-works' internal documents yet
Mar 19 06:33:26 <swerge> what I want to answer is: why it works better than downloading a tar + patches
Mar 19 06:34:02 <swerge> I know it handles dependencies which is a +
Mar 19 06:35:00 <swerge> I know it does some don't rebuild if not necessary stuff
Mar 19 06:35:56 <swerge> I know that it handles the embedded platforms extremely well
Mar 19 06:36:15 <ka6sox-farfarawa> swerge, think portage and Gentoo...
Mar 19 06:36:21 <swerge> I guess I have 2 main questions
Mar 19 06:37:23 <swerge> 1 can someone point me to some type of document that rationalizes the design decisions made in bitbake
Mar 19 06:37:58 <swerge> (an email flame-war is probably what I'm looking for)
Mar 19 06:38:34 <ka6sox-farfarawa> swerge, its more of an evolutionary thing...over a number of years.
Mar 19 06:38:48 <ka6sox-farfarawa> and its under constant, active development.
Mar 19 06:39:41 <swerge> 2) Is there a project to build a commercial linux distro from a fork of angstrom?
Mar 19 06:40:09 <swerge> yeah, I know that its flux++
Mar 19 06:40:19 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I'm not an Angstrom guy so I can't answer that.
Mar 19 06:40:47 <swerge> nor am I
Mar 19 06:41:31 <swerge> a guy I'm working with has been working on getting our product running on a beagleboard
Mar 19 06:41:56 <ka6sox-farfarawa> the reason I'm up is that I'm an Infrastructure guy who uses times like these when things are quiet to do maintainence on the servers.
Mar 19 06:41:57 <swerge> and been ranting & raving about bitbake
Mar 19 06:42:19 <swerge> so my weekend project is to understand it
Mar 19 06:42:41 <swerge> so far, this is what I know:
Mar 19 06:42:53 <ka6sox-farfarawa> GL...its a good system...I don't fully understand it and I've been using it for 6yrs.
Mar 19 06:43:13 <swerge> it is a meta-make system, like imake, qmake, et al
Mar 19 06:44:00 <swerge> I've heard that it uses ccache to compare compilation steps
Mar 19 06:44:27 <swerge> I think that might be an interesting feature
Mar 19 06:45:00 <ka6sox-farfarawa> think gentoo and portage...a series of "recipes" on how to build things.
Mar 19 06:45:10 <swerge> but I'm not sure that its done right in any environment w/o knowing the environment
Mar 19 06:45:14 <ka6sox-farfarawa> with overlays and other stuff.
Mar 19 06:45:25 <swerge> yeah, I know gentoo
Mar 19 06:45:56 <swerge> portage was an evolution of the bsd make system
Mar 19 06:46:17 <ka6sox-farfarawa> right...and bitbake came out of that (sorta)
Mar 19 06:46:35 * ka6sox-farfarawa is fuzzy on the history
Mar 19 06:47:07 <swerge> my experience, having worked w/ bsd in a commercial environment, is that it *really* is the wrong set of engineering compromises
Mar 19 06:47:22 * ka6sox-farfarawa doesn't know as he doesn't use it.
Mar 19 06:47:42 <ka6sox-farfarawa> okay lets see if I can upgrade the wiki without breaking anything.
Mar 19 06:47:51 <swerge> BSD is closer to portage than it is to bitbake
Mar 19 06:48:12 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I'll take your word for it.
Mar 19 06:48:29 <swerge> if you can imagine using an ubuntu system w/ the update-notify stuff
Mar 19 06:48:57 <swerge> it informs you that you need to upgrade the world
Mar 19 06:49:04 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I see that everytime I log into one of the servers.
Mar 19 06:49:27 <swerge> then finds an errors somewhere in the world during upgrade
Mar 19 06:50:03 <swerge> btw, revert scripts are evil
Mar 19 06:50:35 <swerge> they should get more testing than upgrade imho
Mar 19 06:51:01 <ka6sox-farfarawa> okay didn't break the wiki...next plugins.
Mar 19 06:51:44 <swerge> what I hopped into this channel  to figure out is the following
Mar 19 06:52:37 <swerge> if you are at all familiar with linux from scratch, I'm thinking of converting their book to a set of bitbake profiles
Mar 19 06:53:25 <swerge> this has already been done to shell script through xsltproc
Mar 19 06:53:41 <swerge> to bash/make syntax
Mar 19 06:53:58 <ka6sox-farfarawa> kk...in a few hours others will be waking up (in .eu) and us in the US will hopefully still be sleeping.
Mar 19 06:54:35 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I am not a build system expert..I just keep em running...
Mar 19 06:54:37 <swerge> I'm trying to figure out whether writing an xslt stylesheet for the LFS book would be worth the time
Mar 19 06:55:25 <swerge> can you point me to a resource (person or URL) that I can ask details of?
Mar 19 06:55:32 <ka6sox-farfarawa> couldn't tell you as I don't know what either of them are.
Mar 19 06:55:58 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I think right now you should idle in channel as folks tend to answer questions if they know that someone is actually waiting.
Mar 19 06:56:15 <swerge> really what I want to know is an answer to this question:
Mar 19 06:56:27 <ka6sox-farfarawa> but like I said...its almost midnight on the Left Coast and the rest are sleeping.
Mar 19 06:56:57 <swerge> when building a system, you ./configure; make; make check; make install *every* package
Mar 19 06:57:38 <swerge> I want to know what bitbake buys me over the raw autotools
Mar 19 06:58:08 <ka6sox-farfarawa> can raw autotools build an entire rootfs/kernel?
Mar 19 06:58:26 <swerge> um, they can
Mar 19 06:58:50 <swerge> but I am not taking that as a variable in the equation
Mar 19 06:59:35 <swerge> chances are that for a raw desktop distro, I'll have to tweak that stuff to make it work anyway
Mar 19 06:59:38 <ka6sox-farfarawa> well...bitbake is capable of building/staging cross-compiled binaries and packages...
Mar 19 07:00:01 <ka6sox-farfarawa> which autotools probably can't handle
Mar 19 07:00:01 <swerge> yeah, I know
Mar 19 07:00:20 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I build for armv6 for example and it handles all the build deps for me.
Mar 19 07:00:47 <swerge> actually, autotools is quite prudent in realizing something is a cross-compile
Mar 19 07:00:55 <swerge> (annoyingly so)
Mar 19 07:01:19 <ka6sox-farfarawa> well..then you have me there...like I said..I'm not a builder guy...
Mar 19 07:02:09 <swerge> you know the ix86-distro-linux-gnu string you see in a lot of builds?
Mar 19 07:02:34 <swerge> that exists so you can bootstrap a different platform
Mar 19 07:03:18 <swerge> the tricky part is getting ./configure to know what its dealing with
Mar 19 07:03:23 <ka6sox-farfarawa> well, over the 6yrs I've worked with embedded I've "bootstrapped" a number of things...
Mar 19 07:04:17 <swerge> bootstrap by my definition is creating a system that can compile itself
Mar 19 07:04:40 <swerge> there are several different definitions of the term
Mar 19 07:05:06 <swerge> and I'm not talking compiler, but entire usable system
Mar 19 07:07:55 <ka6sox-farfarawa> the folks here know about such things...
Mar 19 07:08:11 <ka6sox-farfarawa> okay I gotta figure out what I broke and fix it...
Mar 19 07:09:32 <swerge> watcha working on?
Mar 19 07:10:07 <ka6sox-farfarawa> openembedded's wiki
Mar 19 07:10:13 <ka6sox-farfarawa> and other back end stuffs.
Mar 19 07:24:30 <swerge> ...so you are someone that hacks the platform?
Mar 19 07:24:54 <ka6sox-farfarawa> "platform"?
Mar 19 07:25:10 <swerge> (or at least fixes bb recipes?
Mar 19 07:26:04 <ka6sox-farfarawa> no, I do not...
Mar 19 07:26:26 <ka6sox-farfarawa> I work on the infra for the project and use the tools for different embedded things.
Mar 19 07:27:20 <swerge> hey muep
Mar 19 07:28:28 <swerge> infra == buildsystem or ecosystem?
Mar 19 07:28:45 <ka6sox-farfarawa> ecosystem
Mar 19 08:43:45 <Jay7> morning
Mar 19 09:01:38 <Jay7> seems package_stagefile_shell() doing something wrong when DEPLOY_DIR_IMAGE is non-default
Mar 19 09:09:37 <Jay7> ah, no, something is at upper level
Mar 19 13:07:34 <CIA-5> 03Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * r26fd7791bf 10openembedded.git/recipes/vala/ (4 files): vala: 0.11.6.1 -> 0.11.7.1; remove 0.11.0.1 and 0.11.3.1
Mar 19 13:07:44 <CIA-5> 03Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * rd4291a4342 10openembedded.git/recipes/android/android-rpc_git.bb: android-rpc: also package missing dbus service file
Mar 19 17:03:24 <CIA-5> 03Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * r7d3a9fefd5 10openembedded.git/recipes/tasks/task-fso2-compliance.bb: task-fso2-compliance: fsomusicd is gone
Mar 19 17:03:28 <CIA-5> 03Michael 'Mickey' Lauer <mickey@vanille-media.de> 07org.openembedded.dev * r43d8791742 10openembedded.git/recipes/images/ (fso-illume-image.bb fso-image.inc): fso-[illume-]image: remove alsa-state, fsoaudiod handles the audio subsystem now
Mar 19 19:21:45 <nots2> Hello, I can't compile gcc-cross-initial_4.x.x.bb, tried 4.3.3 and 4.4.3 both say http://pastebin.com/xZjNEnyg
Mar 19 19:21:48 <nots2> ./options.h:436:3: error: redeclaration of enumerator ‘OP___’
Mar 19 19:22:47 <nots2> line 182 on pastebin
Mar 19 19:26:05 <nots2> org.openembedded.dev/recipes/gcc/gcc-cross-initial_4.5.0.bb same error
Mar 19 19:26:32 <nots2> could it be problem with my PC ?
Mar 19 19:33:58 <CIA-5> 03Graeme Gregory <dp@xora.org.uk> 07master * r1d4881adf7 10openembedded.git/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
Mar 19 19:33:58 <CIA-5> angstrom.bbclass rename to angstrom-blacklist
Mar 19 19:33:58 <CIA-5> originally I had another couple of utility functions in this class but
Mar 19 19:33:58 <CIA-5> I removed them before pushing upstream. Rename now so its purpose is
Mar 19 19:33:58 <CIA-5> clearer.
Mar 19 19:33:58 <CIA-5> Signed-off-by: Graeme Gregory <dp@xora.org.uk>
Mar 19 21:59:29 <ynezz> is it somehow possible to set DEFAULT_PREFERENCE="1" (or -1) in the .bbappend ?
Mar 19 22:09:56 <craig_> I am trying to use oe to build zeromq, and started with the simplest bb file I could.  When I run bitbake zeromq the log says do_configure and do_compile succeed, but do_install fails.  I have no idea what to do next.  Any suggestions?
Mar 19 22:11:46 <ynezz> take a look at my recipe http://pastebin.com/xy6J2kGW
Mar 19 22:12:59 <ynezz> please test it and if it works, give my please your Tested-by: and I'll commit it into OE, thanks
Mar 19 22:13:04 <ynezz> (it works for me)
Mar 19 22:13:26 <ynezz> I'm using it with lua-zmq
Mar 19 22:13:48 <craig_> thanks ynezz, I'll try it out.  You didn't by chance go on to build the python bindings, did you?
Mar 19 22:13:57 <ynezz> nope
Mar 19 22:14:10 <ynezz> just for Lua
Mar 19 22:17:15 <craig_> I've just been trying my hand at bitbake for two days, and what you pasted looks like a patch.  Is there some zeromq bb file that I can apply this patch?  Sorry if my question is dumb.
Mar 19 22:18:02 <ynezz> it's new file
Mar 19 22:18:13 <ynezz> git apply/am file.patch
Mar 19 22:20:48 <craig_> oh, got it, thank.
Mar 19 22:23:17 <moonchild> hey guys, is there anyone around?
Mar 19 22:36:07 <craig_> ynezz, I bitbaked it and installed it on my beagleboard.  thanks a lot.  When you asked for a tested-by, did you mean: Tested-by: Craig Swank <craigswank@gmail.com>  ?
Mar 19 22:46:50 <ynezz> yep, thanks
Mar 19 22:47:09 <ynezz> does it work? I mean did you tested it somehow?
Mar 19 22:54:12 <craig_> no, I only installed it.  I've only used zmq from python, so I'll be able to test for real once I figure out how to bitbake pyzmq.
Mar 19 22:55:00 <craig_> Once I do, I'll email you to let you know.
Mar 19 22:55:17 <ynezz> ok, thanks
Mar 20 00:56:21 <CIA-5> 03Alex Bennee <ajb@cbnl.com> 07master * r5a7ffa8778 10openembedded.git/recipes/valgrind/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed)
Mar 20 00:56:21 <CIA-5> valgrind: update to 3.6.1
Mar 20 00:56:21 <CIA-5> I took the opportunity to move the common stuff for building Valgrind
Mar 20 00:56:21 <CIA-5> into a common valgrind.inc. I also removed the fix-link-tool.patch
Mar 20 00:56:21 <CIA-5> which was breaking the build. I'm not sure what the patch was trying
Mar 20 00:56:22 <CIA-5> to achieve.
Mar 20 00:56:22 <CIA-5> Signed-off-by: Alex Bennee <ajb@cbnl.com>
Mar 20 00:56:23 <CIA-5> 03Khem Raj <raj.khem@gmail.com> 07master * r08f214deb9 10openembedded.git/recipes/autoconf/ (autoconf.inc autoconf213_2.13.bb): 
Mar 20 00:56:24 <CIA-5> autoconf213: Fix build failure due to missing Makefile.am
Mar 20 00:56:24 <CIA-5> We share autoconf.inc between autoconf 2.13 and 2.6x
Mar 20 00:56:25 <CIA-5> and 2.13 does not have Makefile.am so we make it conditional
Mar 20 00:56:25 <CIA-5> We define do_configure to just run configure
Mar 20 00:56:26 <CIA-5> Signed-off-by: Khem Raj <raj.khem@gmail.com>
Mar 20 00:56:34 <CIA-5> 03Paul Menzel <paulepanter@users.sourceforge.net> 07master * r4fd09dddd0 10openembedded.git/recipes/avahi/mango-lassi_git.bb: (log message trimmed)
Mar 20 00:56:34 <CIA-5> mango-lassi: `touch config.rpath` to fix `configure.ac:127: required file `./config.rpath' not found`
Mar 20 00:56:34 <CIA-5> Task configure fails with the following error message.
Mar 20 00:56:34 <CIA-5> Build Configuration:
Mar 20 00:56:35 <CIA-5> BB_VERSION = "1.12.0"
Mar 20 00:56:35 <CIA-5> METADATA_BRANCH = "<unknown>"
Mar 20 00:56:36 <CIA-5> METADATA_REVISION = "b1fbaf6"
Mar 20 01:50:48 <moonchild> hey guys, is anyone around?
Mar 20 01:56:17 <moonchild> hey julian
Mar 20 02:05:29 <vadmium> nobody is around
Mar 20 02:05:43 <vadmium> it would seem
Mar 20 02:06:07 <moonchild> hey, guys
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