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Jul 22 08:13:09 <ant_work> 'morning
Jul 22 08:13:19 <JaMa> morning
Jul 22 08:13:25 <ant_work> 5 hours ago 	Linus Torvalds	Linux 3.0 master v3.0
Jul 22 08:13:45 * JaMa already installed that :)
Jul 22 08:14:16 <JaMa> but it's not worth rebooting from 3.0.0-rc7-00176-gcf6ace1 :)
Jul 22 08:21:31 <ant_work> 'moin woglinde 
Jul 22 08:21:52 <woglinde> hi ant
Jul 22 08:42:02 <mikestir> morning. do I need to re-submit a patch as PATCH v2 just to change the header, or leave it as the same version since the content hasn't changed?
Jul 22 08:47:42 <siji> koen , there ?
Jul 22 08:48:10 <JaMa> no, but you can find him on different channels
Jul 22 08:48:23 <siji> JaMa, searching every where ...
Jul 22 08:48:43 <siji> seems like invisible  for the day :)
Jul 22 08:49:05 <JaMa> I see him with /whois
Jul 22 08:49:15 <ant_work> hello bluelightning 
Jul 22 08:49:36 <bluelightning> hi ant_work, JaMa, all
Jul 22 08:49:59 <JaMa> hi
Jul 22 08:50:14 <JaMa> bluelightning: any eta on meta-handhelds?
Jul 22 08:50:15 <siji> btw, I just want to know the config parameter for beagleboard for building XBMC from source 
Jul 22 08:50:40 <bluelightning> JaMa: let me check my inbox and I'll let you know in a sec
Jul 22 08:54:51 <woglinde> siji koen on is on #beagle
Jul 22 08:55:13 <siji> woglinde, ok
Jul 22 08:55:24 <woglinde> JaMa you only see one with /whois if you are in the same channel
Jul 22 08:55:32 <woglinde> hm or not
Jul 22 08:58:49 <woglinde> hi likewise
Jul 22 08:59:14 <JaMa> woglinde: that's why I do whois in server tab in irssi :)
Jul 22 09:03:37 <likewise> hi all
Jul 22 09:14:10 <woglinde> gm mickeyl
Jul 22 10:43:57 <pb_> morning all
Jul 22 10:44:20 <woglinde> hi pb
Jul 22 11:25:04 <bluelightning> hi pb_, woglinde
Jul 22 11:27:36 <pb_> hi bluelightning
Jul 22 12:08:03 <kakashi90> hellow every one ,  wanna to start studing embadded system. am specialised technicien  on administration system and computers commnication. so please can you tell how to start??? because am really confused :s
Jul 22 12:17:47 <ildar> :)
Jul 22 12:17:50 <ildar> hi
Jul 22 12:18:05 <ildar> http://docs.openembedded.org/usermanual/html/
Jul 22 12:18:23 <ildar> easy step-by-step
Jul 22 12:18:25 <guyvdb_> what creates entries in /dev/* is that udev?
Jul 22 12:18:52 <ildar> emmm, which system?
Jul 22 12:19:04 <ildar> modern system, yes it's udev
Jul 22 12:19:37 <ildar> check it with $ grep /dev /proc/mounts and ps afx | grep udev
Jul 22 12:20:01 <guyvdb_> hmm I have a mini2440 machine with udev as dev manager. I have just built a ftdi usbserial driver module but do not know how to proceed to make /dev/ttyUSB* entries
Jul 22 12:20:23 <ildar> just modprobe the driver
Jul 22 12:20:27 <guyvdb_> I can modprobe the module and it loads
Jul 22 12:20:43 <guyvdb_> but the /dev/ttyUSB* entries are not made
Jul 22 12:20:43 <ildar> udev should recognize it and create /dev entry
Jul 22 12:20:51 <guyvdb_> hmm
Jul 22 12:21:00 <ildar> then check /dev/bus/usb
Jul 22 12:21:07 <guyvdb_> ahh ok
Jul 22 12:21:07 <ildar> could be there
Jul 22 12:21:31 <guyvdb_> so udev should make them... with no rules added by me
Jul 22 12:24:05 <kakashi90> thanks, but must i have a board to develeppe on it ??
Jul 22 12:24:27 <ildar> good question
Jul 22 12:24:40 <ildar> why developing without testing?
Jul 22 12:25:23 <kakashi90> :s testing what??
Jul 22 12:25:59 <ildar> developed progs
Jul 22 12:26:37 <kakashi90> ah, really good idea
Jul 22 12:26:45 <ildar> giggle
Jul 22 12:26:47 <guyvdb_> ildar nothing in /dev/bus/usb   should I do a mknod and try make them manually or is that bad?
Jul 22 12:27:04 <ildar> not bad at all
Jul 22 12:27:12 <guyvdb_> ok 
Jul 22 12:27:21 <kakashi90> but these programm must be run on a broad 
Jul 22 12:28:38 <ildar> so... question is...?
Jul 22 12:29:31 <guyvdb_> or qemu... I think poky runs on qemu by default
Jul 22 12:30:42 <kakashi90> what kind of board must i have? and what language must i know?? is it VHDL ???
Jul 22 12:31:14 <guyvdb_> how do i remove a file after a mknod do I just rm it?
Jul 22 12:32:54 <ildar> sure
Jul 22 12:36:09 <ildar> bye all
Jul 22 12:59:42 <pb_> guyvdb_: yes
Jul 22 14:33:06 <woglinde> he stefan_schmidt
Jul 22 14:33:14 <stefan_schmidt> hi woglinde 
Jul 22 14:37:05 <Ziki> hi
Jul 22 14:37:58 <Ziki> i'm trying to bitbake webkit-gtk_1.2.3.bb for mini2440 but I've the following error: 
Jul 22 14:37:59 <Ziki> |   CXX    WebCore/accessibility/libwebkit_1_0_la-AXObjectCache.lo | CROSS COMPILE Badness: /usr/include in INCLUDEPATH: /usr/include
Jul 22 14:38:51 <Ziki> if I uncomment the following configure option ( --with-unicode-backend=glib) in the bb (I know it's not a good idea), I don't have this compilation problem
Jul 22 14:39:11 <Ziki> does anyone have an idea how to solve this problem?
Jul 22 14:40:33 <woglinde> what are you using?
Jul 22 14:40:37 <woglinde> oe-core
Jul 22 14:40:40 <woglinde> classic oe?
Jul 22 14:40:49 <ant_work> oe-light?
Jul 22 14:40:53 <ant_work> oe-zero?
Jul 22 14:43:23 <Ziki> I got it from there: git clone git://gitorious.org/angstrom/angstrom-setup-scripts.git
Jul 22 14:44:00 <ant_work> ok, fresh bitbake and oe-core
Jul 22 14:44:52 <woglinde> hm I but I wonder why --with-unicode-backend=glib brings in /usr/include
Jul 22 14:45:16 <ant_work> did you update (./oebb.sh update) ?
Jul 22 14:45:16 <woglinde> ziki can you check if you have glib-dev on your compilehost?
Jul 22 14:46:29 <Ziki> yes i have updated
Jul 22 14:48:04 <woglinde> ant why he answers your question and not mine?
Jul 22 14:48:48 <Ziki> no, I don't have glib-dev on my host
Jul 22 14:48:54 <Ziki> sorry :)
Jul 22 14:48:59 <Ziki> was checking
Jul 22 14:49:01 <woglinde> are you sure
Jul 22 14:49:06 <woglinde> no glib headers?
Jul 22 14:49:16 <Ziki> let me check again :)
Jul 22 14:49:32 <JaMa> Ziki: check config.log if there is one in workdir
Jul 22 14:49:48 <woglinde> jama hm its qt
Jul 22 14:49:48 <JaMa> Ziki: it will probably show which header was found in /usr/include only
Jul 22 14:50:08 <woglinde> ziki its only for knowing
Jul 22 14:50:13 <JaMa> woglinde: gtk?
Jul 22 14:50:17 <woglinde> ziki we have to guard it anway
Jul 22 14:50:30 <woglinde> |   CXX    WebCore/accessibility/libwebkit_1_0_la-AXObjectCache.lo | CROSS COMPILE Badness: /usr/include
Jul 22 14:52:12 <guyvdb_> I built an image using narcissus including qtembedded. I later did an opkg install tslib-calibrate. I am now trying to calibrate the touch screen, which is working (just not calibrated) and I get an error "ts_open: No such file or directory" when running ./ts_calibrate . Any idea where ts_open is built from?
Jul 22 14:53:02 <woglinde> guyvdb_ that means it cannot open the touchscreen device
Jul 22 14:53:04 <JaMa> guyvdb_: isn't it only missing dev node?
Jul 22 14:53:07 <woglinde> check it with strace
Jul 22 14:53:31 <JaMa> iirc set by TSLIB_DEVICE or something like that
Jul 22 14:53:32 <Ziki> JaMa: what should I check in my config.log?
Jul 22 14:53:51 <JaMa> Ziki: where it added -I/usr/include
Jul 22 14:53:52 <guyvdb_> ok I have the environmental vars will check them
Jul 22 14:54:51 <JaMa> Ziki: maybe it detects some other unicode-backend then glib but from your host not glib from sysroot..
Jul 22 14:55:19 <Ziki> I only see this line "UNICODE_CFLAGS='-D_REENTRANT -I/usr/include'" containing /usr/include
Jul 22 14:55:49 <JaMa> check configure.ac how are UNICODE_CFLAGS detected
Jul 22 14:56:37 <guyvdb_> /usr/lib/ts is a directory containing a bunch of .so files. Does TSLIB_PLUGINDIR get set to this?
Jul 22 14:56:56 <woglinde> guyvdb_ please use strace
Jul 22 14:57:03 <woglinde> instead of wild poking around
Jul 22 14:58:21 <guyvdb_>  I am a little new to this. Am reading man stract now. 
Jul 22 14:58:33 <woglinde> strace
Jul 22 14:58:42 <woglinde> strace program
Jul 22 14:58:54 <guyvdb_> yup reading up on it now
Jul 22 14:58:57 <woglinde> or better strace -vv -o foo.txt fooprogram
Jul 22 14:59:37 <JaMa> /etc/profile.d/tslib.sh:TSLIB_TSDEVICE=/dev/input/touchscreen0
Jul 22 14:59:49 <woglinde> hi blindvt
Jul 22 15:00:44 <blindvt> woglinde, hi
Jul 22 15:01:18 <Ziki> I have that on configure :
Jul 22 15:01:18 <Ziki> checking which Unicode backend to use... icu checking for icu-config... /usr/bin/icu-config
Jul 22 15:01:29 <Ziki> I suppose that it's not correct?
Jul 22 15:02:34 <woglinde> right!!!!!!!!
Jul 22 15:02:54 <woglinde> ziki please look if the recipe has a depency to libicu
Jul 22 15:03:21 <olsen> hi i know this is not a machine channel though you guys might tell me if i need aside the 2011.03 build additional firmware to get the wireless module libertas for the overo fire?
Jul 22 15:04:26 <Ziki> woglinde: if icu is the same as libuci, yes
Jul 22 15:08:59 <Ziki> i was thinking that bitbake was handling dependencies when using -b and compile a single .bb
Jul 22 15:10:37 <JaMa> no it's not
Jul 22 15:11:50 <Ziki> sorry, I feel a little stupid :)
Jul 22 15:12:02 <ant_work> Ziki: nasty boy..tell us this kind of details :)
Jul 22 15:12:33 <ant_work> and please forget about -b
Jul 22 15:12:43 <woglinde> no -b dont handles deps
Jul 22 15:12:59 <Ziki> ok thanks
Jul 22 15:13:03 <woglinde> ant yes mental notic next time ask the bitbake line
Jul 22 15:13:11 <woglinde> notice even
Jul 22 15:13:14 <ant_work> heh
Jul 22 15:18:29 <ant_work> bbl
Jul 22 15:19:33 <kergoth> morning
Jul 22 15:20:29 <mikestir> is there any way to keep dependencies under control without writing custom recipes? e.g. the libpcap recipe depends on bluez-libs, which depends on *
Jul 22 15:22:40 <kergoth> you can modify any recipe with a bbappend in a local layer.
Jul 22 15:22:54 <kergoth> bitbake -u depexp is a useful tool to inspect the dependency graph
Jul 22 15:25:14 <mikestir> kergoth: I will look at bbappend - that sounds useful.  Do any of the recipes look at DISTRO_FEATURES? e.g. to use the libpcap example it could build without bluetooth support if that wasn't specified in the list of features.
Jul 22 15:25:27 <woglinde> hi kergoth
Jul 22 15:25:57 <kergoth> mikestir: more really should..
Jul 22 15:25:57 <JaMa> mikestir: ie python does
Jul 22 15:27:08 <JaMa> yes and not only to get right DEPENDS but mostly to get right --enable/--disable options for configure
Jul 22 15:28:14 <mikestir> would it be worth submitting patches for this sort of thing? there have been a couple of occasions where I have made "lite" versions of recipes in a local overlay
Jul 22 15:28:39 <mikestir> adding some automation to the standard recipe would be slick
Jul 22 15:28:58 <kergoth> absolutely, yes. but also see the most recent threads on the mailing lists to add an infrastructure for that sort of thing
Jul 22 15:28:58 <JaMa> mikestir: read USE-flags discussions in TSC minutes.. I'm still waiting for some conclusion about that
Jul 22 15:29:45 <JaMa> mikestir: and thread [OE-core] [PROPOSAL] Package feature switches, redux.
Jul 22 15:29:55 <mikestir> JaMa: will do
Jul 22 15:32:42 <kergoth> mikestir: basically everyone wants the capability, but not everyone agrees on how best to make it happen, and there's occasionally a strong largely unreasonable opposition to the "USE" flag concept, though that seems to have dwindled, thankfully
Jul 22 15:33:01 <kergoth> I'm sure distro feature based patches would be accepted even now, though
Jul 22 15:33:09 <kergoth> can always transition to a new mechanism later if need be
Jul 22 15:34:49 <mikestir> something like an overarching list of --with-this --without-that type switches would be nice
Jul 22 15:35:27 <kergoth> well, any configure.in/configure.ac can add their own
Jul 22 15:35:54 <kergoth> in many cases they're standard as they're pulled in via the .m4 files of your dependencies, which is good, but we'll never get something complete and definitive
Jul 22 15:36:03 <mikestir> I will spend a bit of time on this but I will have to do it on my own time.  we have a ton of local recipes that are still waiting to be submitted after about 2 years of using OE :)
Jul 22 15:36:13 <kergoth> good luck :)
Jul 22 15:36:18 <JaMa> hehe
Jul 22 15:36:29 <kergoth> we'd certainly appreciate the contributions
Jul 22 15:36:32 <JaMa> mikestir: don't forget to submit them to oe-core/meta-oe first :)
Jul 22 15:36:35 <kergoth> if possible, .. yeah, that
Jul 22 15:36:45 <kergoth> best to start looking at basing your producting on oe-core in the long term, too
Jul 22 15:37:12 <mikestir> i just noticed the oe-core stuff yesterday and haven't really looked at it yet. this is going to be the future then?
Jul 22 15:37:21 <kergoth> yep
Jul 22 15:37:40 <JaMa> with "USE" flag concept I haven't seen any proposal to allow DEPENDS="foo[bar]" which is quite critical imho
Jul 22 15:37:45 <kergoth> It's simpler than it seems. just the metadata is being broken up into multiple layers instaed of being in one big pile
Jul 22 15:37:50 <kergoth> JaMa: that'd be easy to implement btw
Jul 22 15:38:05 <kergoth> iterate over implemented features, add ${PN}[%s] % feat ure to PROVIDES
Jul 22 15:38:09 <kergoth> :)
Jul 22 15:38:15 <kergoth> i was going to reply and mention that, but forgot
Jul 22 15:38:16 <JaMa> because otherwise people with bar disabled will post many build errors that something doesn't build because their foo is not good enough
Jul 22 15:38:23 <kergoth> agreed, its important
Jul 22 15:38:38 <JaMa> ah, great, that's easy
Jul 22 15:39:01 <kergoth> might be complications i'm not seeing, but that's the first step, anyway
Jul 22 15:39:09 <JaMa> so negative can be the same right? like ${PN}[-%s]
Jul 22 15:39:35 <kergoth> hmmm, perhaps
Jul 22 15:39:44 <kergoth> would have to have both available and implemented feature lists for a given recipe
Jul 22 15:40:05 <kergoth> i doubt the - version would be used very ofte -- how often do you need something *lacking* a piece of functionality :)
Jul 22 15:40:21 <mikestir> in my example :)
Jul 22 15:40:28 <JaMa> there are quite a few examples in gentoo ebuilds..
Jul 22 15:40:35 <mikestir> i wanted tcpdump. I don't want gstreamer
Jul 22 15:40:44 <mikestir> so i want libpcap -bluez-utils
Jul 22 15:40:54 <kergoth> eh, i'm talking about use in DEPENDS, not user inputted configurations
Jul 22 15:40:56 <kergoth> two entirely different things
Jul 22 15:41:08 <mikestir> oh I see what you mean
Jul 22 15:41:10 <kergoth> what jama is talking about is one recipe declaring that it depends on anothe recipe being built with, say, jpeg support
Jul 22 15:41:18 <mikestir> got it
Jul 22 15:41:23 <kergoth> so i'm wondering when you'd say I *can't* work with this buitl with that support
Jul 22 15:42:17 <kergoth> JaMa: so, might need some small further enhancement, but its not out of the realm of possibility
Jul 22 15:42:23 <kergoth> afaict anyway
Jul 22 15:42:39 <JaMa> kergoth: something like this.. ./x11-drivers/xf86-video-sis/xf86-video-sis-0.10.3.ebuild:RDEPEND="dri? ( x11-base/xorg-server[-minimal] )
Jul 22 15:43:19 <JaMa> kergoth: but you're right that 'minimal' is not best example for 'feature'
Jul 22 15:43:22 <kergoth> JaMa: i think in oe that'd be more likely to be done via a second recipe
Jul 22 15:43:28 <kergoth> but we can certainly be open to the possibility
Jul 22 15:44:28 <JaMa> gtg, enjoy weekend all
Jul 22 15:44:33 <kergoth> you too, later
Jul 22 15:46:49 <pb_> morning kergoth
Jul 22 15:47:31 <kergoth> hey pb_ 
Jul 22 15:59:37 <bluelightning> hi kergoth
Jul 22 16:00:11 <bluelightning> kergoth: what's up with do_EOF in bitbake-layers? is it meant to be used for something?
Jul 22 16:01:30 <kergoth> bluelightning: it's part of the cmd module
Jul 22 16:01:41 <kergoth> can always rework it to not use it, we aren't using much of it anyway
Jul 22 16:01:44 <kergoth> but its needed for that
Jul 22 16:01:52 <kergoth> erm, do_EOF is needed if we use cmd, that is
Jul 22 16:03:14 <bluelightning> kergoth: really? in another util I've written based on a gutted bitbake-layers, I don't have do_EOF and it seems to be working AFAICT
Jul 22 16:04:09 <bluelightning> obviously it does no harm, it just looks weird when using the default help functionality
Jul 22 16:05:25 <kergoth> looks like it's required when processing input line-wise, e.g. the interactive mode or loading from a file
Jul 22 16:05:35 <kergoth> running one line the way we do likely bypasses it, so we can drop it
Jul 22 16:06:26 <bluelightning> kergoth: ok, thanks
Jul 22 16:06:46 <kergoth> it's in the cmd docs :)
Jul 22 17:14:10 <alx_> hi
Jul 22 17:14:18 <alx_> what does it means ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-depmod-None'
Jul 22 17:14:18 <alx_> ERROR: Nothing RPROVIDES 'virtual/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-depmod-None'
Jul 22 17:14:19 <alx_> ?
Jul 22 17:25:55 <Tartarus> kernel version wasn't picked up
Jul 22 17:30:03 <alx_> cool... so I mistyped the recipe :( where to search ?
Jul 22 17:30:13 <alx_> machine conf  has :
Jul 22 17:30:33 <alx_> PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux-colibri-t20"
Jul 22 17:30:48 <alx_> and linux-colibri-t20_git.bb is a kernel recipe I wrote
Jul 22 17:33:15 <alx_> is the fact I have the conf/machine/mymachine.conf is placed in overlay/ instead of openembedded/
Jul 22 18:33:39 <ildar> hi all
Jul 22 18:33:47 <ildar> got a problem with oe
Jul 22 18:33:53 <ildar> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kyxqe_fKObJ4SNoU8xMYrFIE6KhX-CVlylHqHrNYsSU/
Jul 22 18:34:59 <ildar> emm.. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kyxqe_fKObJ4SNoU8xMYrFIE6KhX-CVlylHqHrNYsSU/edit?hl=en_US
Jul 22 18:35:57 <ildar> sysroot_stage_libdir   /tmp/oe/build/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-initial-4.5-r36.1+svnr170880/sysroot-destdir//usr/lib   /tmp/oe/build/tmp/work/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/gcc-cross-initial-4.5-r36.1+svnr170880/sysroot-destdir//tmp/oe/build/tmp/sysroots/armv5te-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib
Jul 22 18:36:06 <ildar> is obviously wrong
Jul 22 18:37:20 <ildar> so gcc is not installed
Jul 22 18:37:33 <ildar> anyone can help?
Jul 22 19:13:09 <kergoth> am i missing something, or was the requirement of 'hg' removed from the oe-core base.bbclass without adding mercurial-native to the repository?
Jul 22 19:18:26 <ildar> dunno
Jul 22 19:18:47 <ildar> do you know anything about my problem?
Jul 22 19:25:55 <woglinde> kergoth ugh?
Jul 22 19:26:04 <woglinde> I thought tartarus posted both
Jul 22 19:26:41 <Tartarus> kergoth: No, it wasn't added
Jul 22 19:26:46 <Tartarus> since there's no hg URIs ni oe-core
Jul 22 19:26:56 <Tartarus> Which was a bit of a brown paper bag wrt the requirement sticking aroudn
Jul 22 23:04:36 <kakashi90> hello every one. please i wanna to have a embedded system formation, but the i dont know really if i must learn electronic or else?? is embedded programmer is a person who program on board ( beagle or else) ???
Jul 22 23:05:32 <kakashi90> am really confused :s
Jul 23 01:50:41 <khem> argh the ppc siteinfo stuff borked uclibc
Jul 23 01:50:53 * khem takes the chainsaw
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