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Dec 30 04:53:19 <Basith> When I put the kernel 3.1 for at91sam9263 board I got the error : mtd->read(0x100 bytes from 0x400000) returned ECC error 
Dec 30 04:54:59 <Basith> When Displaying Nand information it says: atmel_nand atmel_nand: No DMA support for NAND access pls help me!
Dec 30 07:21:09 <shawn187> howdy
Dec 30 07:21:43 <shawn187> I need a bit of help with an Openembedded distro made for this device
Dec 30 07:22:00 <shawn187> It is using the IceWM window manager
Dec 30 07:22:42 <shawn187> I seem unable to find the games folder where freedoom is located
Dec 30 09:04:26 <bluelightning> morning all
Dec 30 09:05:10 <JaMa|Off> morning
Dec 30 09:25:17 <snkt> hello
Dec 30 09:26:18 <snkt> I m building x11-image for mini2440 with uClibc..... but I getting this errors while "bitbake x11-image" ........  git ls-remote git://repo.or.cz/linux-2.6/mini2440.git mini2440-stable-v2.6.30 failed with signal 128, output:
Dec 30 09:28:33 <snkt> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1426385
Dec 30 09:33:48 <shawn187> oh well, might as well disregard my question
Dec 30 09:33:49 <shawn187> good night
Dec 30 10:12:22 <eFfeM> gm
Dec 30 10:21:59 <bluelightning> hi eFfeM
Dec 30 12:05:21 <EsbenH> hi eFfeM 
Dec 30 12:20:41 <eFfeM> hi EsbenH, enjoying vacation ?
Dec 30 13:03:06 <EsbenH> eFfeM: well, enjoying the quiet office @work today :-)
Dec 30 13:03:20 <eFfeM> ah that is also good
Dec 30 13:03:50 <eFfeM> actually my mgmt convinced me that I should lower the # of vacation days left so decided to take off between xmas and new year
Dec 30 13:04:06 <eFfeM> good time to do some dangling tasks at home
Dec 30 13:04:26 <eFfeM> and upstream some code
Dec 30 13:05:29 <EsbenH> with almost everybody away for vacation, I have found some time to do real work again :-)
Dec 30 13:07:38 * ant_work is only doing backups today :/
Dec 30 14:13:25 <eFfeM> then it should be ant_backup ;-)
Dec 30 14:17:01 <kergoth> heh, I'm getting all sorts of work done while everyone else is on vacation too :) 
Dec 30 14:19:13 <eFfeM> heh
Dec 30 14:19:30 <eFfeM> and no traffic jams
Dec 30 15:20:22 <Spider-Pork> Hi. I have just cloned oe from official repo git://github.com/openembedded/openembedded.git . I would use oe for my pandaboard. What branch should I use? Thank you
Dec 30 15:22:15 <eFfeM> Spider-Pork: probably best choice is maintenance branch (or oe-core but no idea what it takes to get panda going on oe-core)
Dec 30 15:22:46 <kergoth> eFfeM, fyi, meta-ti has a pandaboard machine. we haven't had any luck with its u-boot on a non-es panda though
Dec 30 15:23:19 <Spider-Pork> eFfeM ---> 2011.03-maintenance ?
Dec 30 15:23:28 <eFfeM> Spider-Pork: yes that is the one I meant
Dec 30 15:23:45 <Spider-Pork> eFfeM thank you
Dec 30 15:23:58 <eFfeM> but you might encounter some issues when doing a clean build, I noticed the other day that binutils had problems fetching
Dec 30 15:24:01 <eFfeM> alternate use master
Dec 30 15:24:15 <Spider-Pork> eFfeM ok thank you again :)
Dec 30 15:24:18 <eFfeM> kergoth: haven't played with panda and hardly with oe-core so can't comment on it
Dec 30 15:24:22 <eFfeM> Spider-Pork: yw
Dec 30 15:24:56 <Spider-Pork> I'm new to oe but i found it very good to customize builds and handle packages
Dec 30 15:24:59 <eFfeM> kergoth: somehow I feel some doc is lacking on how to glue the layers together and what is where, but it could also be that I didn't dig deep enough
Dec 30 15:25:15 <eFfeM> Spider-Pork: it is, actually I feel that is the strongest point
Dec 30 15:26:24 <kergoth> eFfeM, agreed. the layer index shows you the pieces, but not pulling the bits together. you're best off using a setup someone else has already created for that. e.g. the angstrom setup scripts, or https://github.com/kergoth/oe-core-template or one others have done, imo
Dec 30 15:26:52 <kergoth> ah yes, forgot the shr setup scripts
Dec 30 15:33:49 <Spider-Pork> eFfeM I'm using oe for my overo board too. On gumstix website they suggest to use bitbake 1.12.0. On oe website suggest to use 1.10.2 . What version should I use?
Dec 30 15:34:26 <eFfeM> kergoth: it also seems the layer dependencies are not always clear and not as seems logical, e.g. I seem to recall some ti bsp's needed meta-oe; personally I expect a bsp to be fairly orthogonal to anything, and probably only depend on oe-core
Dec 30 15:34:38 <kergoth> not sure what you mean by that.
Dec 30 15:34:48 <kergoth> meta-ti is a layer with bsps
Dec 30 15:34:55 <kergoth> don't know of any ti ones outside of it, myself
Dec 30 15:35:04 <kergoth> but i agree, we need an explicit way to declare dependencies
Dec 30 15:35:19 <eFfeM> Spider-Pork: you can use either, I use 1.12.0 for quite a while now (you should not use 1.14)
Dec 30 15:35:48 <Spider-Pork> ok thank you :)
Dec 30 15:36:43 <kergoth> does 1.14 not work with the maintenance branch?
Dec 30 15:36:48 <eFfeM> kergoth: meta-ti seems to depend on meta-oe (and that seems odd to me), I vaguely recall a discussion on the list from a few days (or maybe a week ago)
Dec 30 15:36:53 <kergoth> iirc 1.12 didn't have parallel parsing, *extremely* painful
Dec 30 15:36:59 <eFfeM> kergoth: no, found this the hard way
Dec 30 15:37:12 <kergoth> should be fixed, imo. will add to the ever growing todo..
Dec 30 15:37:15 <kergoth> heh
Dec 30 15:37:27 <eFfeM> 1.14 does not allow # to comment out lines within image recipes, and it also did not parse at all for me
Dec 30 15:37:47 <kergoth> ah, i forgot about the # inside variable definitions change :\
Dec 30 15:37:50 <kergoth> hmm
Dec 30 15:38:08 <kergoth> well, worst case we could create a maintenance branch and revert that commit, but that isn't pretty :)
Dec 30 15:38:22 <bluelightning> honestly whoever cares should just fix the metadata for that, it's not that difficult, just a little time consuming
Dec 30 15:39:53 <eFfeM> kergoth: koen a week ago in response to paul 
Dec 30 15:40:03 <eFfeM> > Just out of interest, why does meta-texasinstruments depend on meta-angstrom?
Dec 30 15:40:04 <eFfeM> It needs extra things in overrides and reuses tasks from there.
Dec 30 15:40:17 <eFfeM> and I suspect meta-angstrom will depend on meta-oe
Dec 30 15:40:34 <kergoth> that's really unintuitive, I don't like that meta-ti - meta-angstrom thing *at all*
Dec 30 15:40:40 <kergoth> bsps are supposed to be orthogonal to distro
Dec 30 15:40:44 <kergoth> by design, thats how oe is supposed to work
Dec 30 15:41:26 * kergoth uses meta-ti without meta-angstrom, will see if it ever blows up as a result
Dec 30 15:42:00 <eFfeM> kergoth: I fully agree;
Dec 30 15:43:07 <eFfeM> kergoth: this was the thread the above quote came from: https://lists.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/yocto/2011-December/006204.html
Dec 30 15:43:54 <denisATeukrea> JaMa|Off, for midori it's indeed deps, I install that package: task-xfce-base and it works
Dec 30 15:44:24 <eFfeM> and I feel this dependency is bad practice and counter intuitive, but the chance to convince koen about that is fairly close to zero so I didn't even bother
Dec 30 15:44:38 <JaMa|Off> denisATeukrea: you mean it's missing some dependency and that's why it segfaults?
Dec 30 15:45:00 <eFfeM> however if it needs things from meta-angstrom and these are more generally applicable they should probably migrate to oe-core
Dec 30 15:45:07 <denisATeukrea> JaMa|Off, yes indeed I was right then
Dec 30 15:45:49 <denisATeukrea> and the backtrace I got confirmed it has something to do with icons
Dec 30 15:45:54 <kergoth> eFfeM, agreed :\
Dec 30 15:45:54 <denisATeukrea> maybe it lack an icon theme
Dec 30 15:45:58 <denisATeukrea> or something like that
Dec 30 15:46:13 <eFfeM> kergoth: I just gave 1.14 with maintenance branch a stab and it would just hang after a while (roughly at the same place), strace told that select would not get any data
Dec 30 15:46:24 <eFfeM> but  only return timeout
Dec 30 15:47:34 <JaMa|Off> denisATeukrea: do you have log what was installed with task-xfce-base?
Dec 30 15:47:53 <kergoth> hmm, interesting
Dec 30 15:47:56 <denisATeukrea> maybe not
Dec 30 15:48:05 <kergoth> I think that's the bug with parse errors not always propogating up
Dec 30 15:48:08 <kergoth> wil llook into it
Dec 30 15:48:36 <denisATeukrea> no because I just restarted the serial console
Dec 30 15:49:56 <JaMa|Off> denisATeukrea: ok
Dec 30 15:50:35 <denisATeukrea> but I've opkg info
Dec 30 15:50:37 <eFfeM> kergoth: could be, I seem to recall  that the time recipe had a problem parsing with 1.14, but I moved that one away
Dec 30 15:51:05 <denisATeukrea> http://pastie.org/private/quae1fz8bkfdhj66mjnklw
Dec 30 15:51:13 <denisATeukrea> I also was in xfce46
Dec 30 15:51:26 <denisATeukrea> maybe some env variables or something like that could be the cause too
Dec 30 15:51:38 <denisATeukrea> let me try in enlightenment
Dec 30 15:51:43 <denisATeukrea> all that is under angstrom
Dec 30 15:52:07 <JaMa|Off> denisATeukrea: but that will be some dependency of xfce* like that theme or gnome-keyring or something
Dec 30 15:52:44 <denisATeukrea> like icon-theme
Dec 30 15:52:48 <denisATeukrea> yes indeed
Dec 30 15:53:42 <denisATeukrea> let me reinstall it
Dec 30 16:04:54 <denisATeukrea> JaMa, new tests:
Dec 30 16:05:03 <denisATeukrea> * in illume it crashes 
Dec 30 16:05:12 <denisATeukrea> * in xfce46 it doesn't crash
Dec 30 16:05:18 <denisATeukrea> with the same installed packages
Dec 30 16:05:45 <denisATeukrea> maybe icon theme issues
Dec 30 16:05:48 <denisATeukrea> or something like that
Dec 30 16:25:24 <JaMa> otavio: Hi, why both?
Dec 30 16:25:35 <JaMa> otavio: why not add it only in task-basic as I suggested?
Dec 30 16:25:47 <otavio> JaMa: xserver-nodm-init and xserver-nodm-init-systemd
Dec 30 16:25:59 <JaMa> why?
Dec 30 16:26:24 <JaMa> add xserver-nodm-init in task-x11 and xserver-nodm-init-systemd only in task-basic
Dec 30 16:26:44 <JaMa> so people using sysvinit and not task-basic will get only one at least
Dec 30 16:27:00 <otavio> JaMa: the basic shouldn't depends on xserver-nodm-init
Dec 30 16:27:20 <otavio> JaMa: how will i have a basic system without x?
Dec 30 16:27:23 <JaMa> then distributions can set VIRTUAL_RUNTIME
Dec 30 16:27:52 <JaMa> otavio: does task-basic pull task-x11?
Dec 30 16:28:03 <otavio> JaMa: so leave xserver-nodm-init-systemd in task-x11 and distros set VIRTUAL-RUNTIME
Dec 30 16:28:28 <otavio> JaMa: meta-oe is almost forcing use of systemd nowadays
Dec 30 16:29:02 <JaMa> hmm I'm overriding VIRTUAL-RUNTIME from shr already so I don't mind
Dec 30 16:29:24 <JaMa> but sofar it was easy for others to keep off systemd, now it will be harder
Dec 30 16:29:33 <otavio> JaMa: I don't use tasks so I don't mind either 
Dec 30 16:29:54 <otavio> yes
Dec 30 16:29:59 <otavio> agreed
Dec 30 16:30:18 * kergoth uses meta-oe but none of its tasks
Dec 30 16:30:35 <otavio> kergoth: me too
Dec 30 16:32:20 <kergoth> mostly i stick to task-core-boot + various package groups we define and add to IMAGE_FEATURES
Dec 30 16:33:42 <otavio> kergoth: but then you have a 'company-common-image.inc' and your end images reuse it?
Dec 30 16:35:59 <kergoth> pretty much, though it doesn't do very much, just covers the core packages we need + task-core-boot. then we have opt-in sets of packages fro the user to add via image features in their local.conf
Dec 30 16:44:21 <eFfeM> forcing systemd is not really nice for those making dedicated images 
Dec 30 16:44:42 <otavio> eFfeM: fully agree but task-basic already does it
Dec 30 16:44:57 * eFfeM just needs recipes and constructs his own images and starts whatever is needed from init
Dec 30 16:45:23 <otavio> eFfeM: me too (but we uses systemd for some)
Dec 30 16:45:32 <eFfeM> otavio: I don't use tasks, I roll my own images as I want full control for what goes into the image
Dec 30 16:45:47 <otavio> eFfeM: we also do not uses tasks
Dec 30 16:45:57 <otavio> eFfeM: and I even forget those heh
Dec 30 16:47:39 <kergoth> tasks aren't of much use unless you want to provide the user the ability to install groups of packages at runtime
Dec 30 16:48:05 <kergoth> otherwise there are easier mechanisms, and it avoids the indirection and need to rebuild the task recipes
Dec 30 16:48:05 <kergoth> heh
Dec 30 16:48:51 <otavio> kergoth: now with package groups, it seems they lose a lot of usefulness
Dec 30 16:49:09 <otavio> kergoth: one good thing from tasks are for upgrade path support
Dec 30 16:49:17 <otavio> kergoth: it is easier with tasks
Dec 30 16:49:56 <JaMa> otavio: 3/3 looks the same..
Dec 30 16:50:05 <kergoth> somewhat. individual packages can upgrade fine, and there are ways (e.g. replaces, conflicts) to address splitting and other package reorgs
Dec 30 16:51:45 <otavio> JaMa: yes; didn't change as it is done by a virtual runtime. read 0/3 please
Dec 30 16:52:18 <JaMa> otavio: then add both 
Dec 30 16:52:28 <JaMa> so it works without distro
Dec 30 16:52:43 <otavio> JaMa: won't work as xserver-nodm-init-systemd depends on systemd
Dec 30 16:52:51 <otavio> JaMa: that's the problem
Dec 30 16:53:22 <JaMa> hmm
Dec 30 17:06:01 <denisATeukrea> otavio, hi you got patches in meta-freescale, so I wondered how to contribute to it....
Dec 30 17:06:27 <denisATeukrea> there is no README telling how to contribute
Dec 30 17:06:35 <kergoth> meta-freescale?
Dec 30 17:06:41 <kergoth> how does that one compare to meta-fsl-ppc?
Dec 30 17:06:51 <Spider-Pork> eFfeM I apologize for my "noobs" questions: what image should I use for my pandaboard? I would have a minimal system, without X. Thank you
Dec 30 17:06:52 <denisATeukrea> git://github.com/aalonso/meta-freescale.git
Dec 30 17:07:00 <denisATeukrea> it's for arm
Dec 30 17:07:19 <denisATeukrea> I'll look if it's in the layer page
Dec 30 17:07:33 <denisATeukrea> seem not
Dec 30 17:13:12 <eFfeM> Spider-Pork: you could use minimal-image
Dec 30 17:13:40 <Spider-Pork> eFfeM I've launched with console-base-image
Dec 30 17:13:52 <eFfeM> probably also ok and pretty small
Dec 30 17:14:12 <Spider-Pork> thank you eFfeM I think I'll have result of build tomorrow
Dec 30 17:14:35 <eFfeM> depends on your system, if it is fast it'll probably take 1 to 1.5 hrs
Dec 30 17:14:49 <Spider-Pork> quadcore with 4GB of RAM
Dec 30 17:15:03 <Spider-Pork> -j 8
Dec 30 17:15:12 <eFfeM> but you might fall into the binutils problem where the official mirror does not contain the package any more
Dec 30 17:15:23 <eFfeM> if you used angstrom distro it might fetch things from the mirror tho
Dec 30 17:15:37 <Spider-Pork> ok thank you for the tip
Dec 30 17:26:03 <Spider-Pork> eFfeM the package exist but its size is 0K. Should add a to package name
Dec 30 17:37:27 <otavio> denisATeukrea: I've been working with alonso
Dec 30 17:37:45 <otavio> denisATeukrea: and in fact I have a very more cleaner branch then him nowadays
Dec 30 17:37:45 <denisATeukrea> ok
Dec 30 17:38:11 <denisATeukrea> my fix is just to be able to build xf86-video-imxfb
Dec 30 17:38:21 <denisATeukrea> because it looks for kernel includes
Dec 30 17:38:22 <otavio> denisATeukrea: if you want to look at it, check https://github.com/OSSystems/meta-freescale
Dec 30 17:38:26 <denisATeukrea> so I added a -I
Dec 30 17:38:37 <denisATeukrea> ok
Dec 30 17:38:49 <otavio> denisATeukrea: so you might send me the patch and I put it into my branch
Dec 30 17:38:59 <otavio> denisATeukrea: likewise is also providing fixes to it too
Dec 30 17:39:04 <denisATeukrea> ok
Dec 30 17:39:26 <otavio> denisATeukrea: so we avoid duplication of work
Dec 30 17:39:53 <denisATeukrea> so I send the patch directly to you?
Dec 30 17:40:02 <denisATeukrea> ok I'll do that
Dec 30 17:40:20 <otavio> denisATeukrea: or do a branch in github and i pick from it
Dec 30 17:40:34 <denisATeukrea> I'll do git-send-email
Dec 30 17:41:00 <denisATeukrea> but I'll look if it applies against your branch first
Dec 30 17:41:54 <otavio> denisATeukrea: you might use github and do a pull request
Dec 30 17:42:03 <otavio> denisATeukrea: so we can use it to review the patches
Dec 30 17:42:13 <otavio> denisATeukrea: i use it all the time :-)
Dec 30 17:42:21 <GNUtoo> hi, I'm moving my angstrom setup and I've that issue:
Dec 30 17:42:23 <GNUtoo> Parsing recipes:   0% |                                                                        | ETA:  --:--:--
Dec 30 17:42:26 <GNUtoo> it's blocked here
Dec 30 17:42:28 <GNUtoo> any ideas
Dec 30 17:42:40 <otavio> GNUtoo: network?
Dec 30 17:42:46 <denisATeukrea> ok
Dec 30 17:42:59 <GNUtoo> I don't think so, it's angstrom, there are no autorev there
Dec 30 17:43:20 <kergoth> GNUtoo, it could be any parse error. there's a bug in the parsing that doesn't always show you the errors :(
Dec 30 17:43:31 <GNUtoo> ah ok I guess it's that then
Dec 30 17:43:37 <kergoth> I'm going to try to find it soon. I verified that every parse error i could think of resulted in user seeing the error in the past
Dec 30 17:43:43 <kergoth> so its likely something recent in bitbake that interacted with it
Dec 30 17:43:51 <kergoth> richard was looking into the other day, I haven't had a chance
Dec 30 17:43:56 <Spider-Pork> eFfeM solved modifying locally md5sum and sha
Dec 30 17:44:03 <Spider-Pork> the package is still avaiable
Dec 30 17:44:09 <GNUtoo> any ideas how to debug that -DDD is not helpfull
Dec 30 17:44:21 <kergoth> hmm
Dec 30 17:45:43 <GNUtoo> ctrl+c gives some infos
Dec 30 17:46:15 <GNUtoo> http://www.pastie.org/private/vhmozyv1apuea7pcr1qcia
Dec 30 17:46:35 <kergoth> GNUtoo, the suspicion is that the error is resulting in the parser shutting down in an unclean fashion, which is causing the parsing processes to exit before they've flushed all their log messages out to the UI
Dec 30 17:46:44 <kergoth> need to dive in and see if such is actually the case though
Dec 30 17:46:53 <kergoth> thats just the working theory based on richard's investigation
Dec 30 17:46:58 <kergoth> does seem probable, though
Dec 30 17:47:32 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 30 17:49:39 <GNUtoo> hmmm now at the third try I've that:
Dec 30 17:49:40 <GNUtoo> ERROR: Unable to parse /home/gnutoo/embedded/oe/oe-core/repos/meta-bug/recipes/linux/linux-bug20-linaro_2.6.35.bb
Dec 30 17:49:54 <kergoth> okay, the second two tracebacks are on the way out, in the attempt to dump messages and clean up. the first is interesting though
Dec 30 17:49:56 <GNUtoo> so I'll look
Dec 30 17:50:17 <kergoth> it means your interruption was while it was in the PLY code parsing the variables, which makes you think it hadn't stalled at that point
Dec 30 17:50:21 <kergoth> maybe you interrupted too early :)
Dec 30 17:50:31 <GNUtoo> ( http://www.pastie.org/private/mymws5ezyjfaedjbxajda)
Dec 30 17:50:53 <GNUtoo> ok, should I clean tmpdir and retry (the tmpdir is mostly empty)
Dec 30 17:51:16 <kergoth> ah ha
Dec 30 17:51:19 <kergoth> i know what your problem is
Dec 30 17:51:26 <kergoth> i sent a patch for this to meta-ti
Dec 30 17:51:39 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 30 17:51:47 <GNUtoo> It also uses the wrog repos dir
Dec 30 17:51:49 <GNUtoo> strange
Dec 30 17:52:18 <kergoth> bingo, found it
Dec 30 17:52:20 <kergoth> https://lists.yoctoproject.org/pipermail/meta-ti/2011-December/000270.html
Dec 30 17:52:24 <kergoth> apply that.
Dec 30 17:52:25 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot
Dec 30 17:52:29 <kergoth> it'll almost certainly fix it
Dec 30 17:52:35 <Spider-Pork> see later, bye
Dec 30 17:52:36 <GNUtoo> ah ok
Dec 30 17:52:44 <kergoth> (also, weird that the other folks using meta-ti haven't seen it, i see it pretty regularly without tha tpatch)
Dec 30 17:52:54 <kergoth> if it fixes it, go poke koen :)
Dec 30 17:52:55 <Crofton|work> kergoth, did you ever get a fancy chair?
Dec 30 17:53:07 <kergoth> Crofton|work, indeed, I spent $1400 on a herman miller embody (ow)
Dec 30 17:53:17 <Crofton|work> worth it?
Dec 30 17:53:31 <kergoth> Crofton|work, the pain that i used to get every single day in the middle of my back between the shoulder blades was better within one day of using it, and almost entirely gone by 2
Dec 30 17:53:50 * kergoth was pretty shocked at that
Dec 30 17:54:16 <kergoth> i did have to make myself sit properly, thats probably part of it by itself :) not hunching over the keyboard
Dec 30 17:54:50 * kergoth apparently has slight arthritis in his upper back, oddly enough
Dec 30 17:54:59 <ynezz> doing sports helps too :p
Dec 30 17:55:10 <kergoth> yeah it does
Dec 30 17:55:22 <kergoth> i started doing just some basic *stretches* in the morning, big difference
Dec 30 17:55:31 <GNUtoo> I also forgott to update bblayers.conf
Dec 30 17:55:32 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot
Dec 30 17:55:38 <kergoth> np
Dec 30 17:55:52 <kergoth> (saw the defconfig message in one of your interrupted tracebacks :)
Dec 30 18:04:42 <shawn187> hi
Dec 30 18:13:22 <shawn187> In an OpenEmbedded distro, where would you normally find bsd games like free doom installed?
Dec 30 18:24:08 <JaMa> kergoth: sit properly like this? :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brv1zwRZrxU
Dec 30 18:25:27 <kergoth> hah, cute
Dec 30 18:25:57 <kergoth> speaking of which, i need to raise my monitor :)
Dec 30 18:26:29 * JaMa received that one in e-mail from work today :)
Dec 30 18:30:13 <Crofton|work> I need to rearrange my desk
Dec 30 18:30:29 <Crofton|work> the monitor is too far back etc
Dec 30 18:31:42 * kergoth nods
Dec 30 18:31:54 <kergoth> i should clean my desk, so i can actually see the desk top again
Dec 30 18:33:09 <Crofton|work> I have the monitor in a corner, whcih was great when montiors were deep
Dec 30 18:33:26 <Crofton|work> now I need to move it closer to me and I have alot opf wasted space behind it
Dec 30 18:34:08 <dm8tbr> that video advocates upright. there was some info recently to sit slightly reclined
Dec 30 18:34:44 <dm8tbr> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/6187080.stm
Dec 30 18:35:10 <kergoth> interesting
Dec 30 19:19:41 <GNUtoo> <kergoth> if it fixes it, go poke koen :) <- what should I do exactly, respond to a particular thread?
Dec 30 19:29:19 <kergoth> GNUtoo, don't worry about it, i pestered him and submitted an updated patch
Dec 30 19:29:40 <GNUtoo> ok
Dec 30 19:29:45 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot
Dec 30 19:30:05 <kergoth> np
Dec 31 00:40:53 <dansan> Hello all.  Is this the place to discuss real open-source operating systems for smart phones?
Dec 31 00:41:34 <dansan> I just learned today that the only thing that Android has in common with GNU/Linux is that it uses a (modified vresion of the) linux kernel, but none of the GNU userspace!
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