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Aug 10 07:09:16 <SorenHolm> Regarding systemd: I have a service-file that fires up a daemon. The case is that the daemon fails. How can I see the stdout and sterr? I have tried journalctrl but it does not say anything.
Aug 10 08:31:45 <bluelightning> morning all
Aug 10 08:56:47 <pb_> hi bluelightning, all
Aug 10 09:07:08 <bluelightning> hi pb_
Aug 10 09:07:18 <gmc> morning
Aug 10 09:07:37 <bluelightning> I see the OE website is now working
Aug 10 09:07:40 <bluelightning> hi gmc
Aug 10 11:08:12 <Noor> hi guys
Aug 10 11:09:44 <Noor> I faced one interesting scenario during build ..... I had 4 packages say A, B, C and D. D is dependent on B and C. B and C are dependent on A. 
Aug 10 11:10:14 <Noor> Now A out outputs a file in sysroot which both B and C modifies it. 
Aug 10 11:10:53 <Noor> B recipe add just a think in it which is required by D recipe for successful build
Aug 10 11:11:18 <Noor> both B and C overwrite the file in sysroot
Aug 10 11:11:49 <Noor> when number of jobs and threads are increased B and C are build in parallel
Aug 10 11:12:57 <Noor> B and C pick the file that was emitted by A .... first B output it in sysroot and then C overwrites it 
Aug 10 11:13:16 <Noor> that is why D looses information added by B recipe
Aug 10 11:14:00 <Noor> so is there a way to tell that B and C should not be build in parallel
Aug 10 11:14:32 <Noor> I have one solution to add B in C depends but just thinking that is there anyother solution as well?
Aug 10 11:49:03 <SorenHolm> Is there a machnism that replaces populate-volatiles.sh in oe-core ?
Aug 10 11:49:18 <SorenHolm> s/machnism/mechanism/
Aug 10 18:38:36 <B1gtuna> Hey everybody, is it possible to include the advanced packaging tool (apt-get install/remove etc) in OE/YoctoProject?
Aug 10 18:39:44 <B1gtuna> I can execute APT commands on my build, but having a hard time accessing the Ubuntu repository. 
Aug 10 18:39:59 <wermjenantanenba> /etc/sources.d?
Aug 10 18:40:13 <wermjenantanenba> I just switched to arch linux, but I think that may be right
Aug 10 18:40:25 <B1gtuna> is that something I need to create/
Aug 10 18:40:26 <B1gtuna> ?
Aug 10 18:40:43 <B1gtuna> on the regular ubuntu, the sources.list is in /etc/apt/ dir
Aug 10 18:41:05 <wermjenantanenba> Ah yes
Aug 10 18:41:27 <B1gtuna> Good. I guess I'm on the right track. So it is possible to use Ubuntu's repository ya?
Aug 10 18:42:01 <B1gtuna> (My OE/Yocto build isn't strictly Ubuntu.. so I'm not sure if Ubuntu's repo would work)
Aug 10 18:42:09 <wermjenantanenba> I guess there's no stopping you from trying
Aug 10 18:42:14 <wermjenantanenba> Go ahead!
Aug 10 18:42:32 <wermjenantanenba> report back to, it would be neat if it worked
Aug 10 18:43:11 <B1gtuna> Haha that's what i'm trying. I don't have the Gnu Privacy Guard packaged in my OE build. So it complains it can't access Ubuntu's repository. 
Aug 10 18:43:31 <B1gtuna> Before I package it, I just wanted to check if what i'm doing is not insane or dumb
Aug 10 18:43:38 <B1gtuna> I guess it's worth trying
Aug 10 18:44:03 <B1gtuna> Just a quick question, how are others managing packages once their OE build is deployed?
Aug 10 18:44:15 <wermjenantanenba> I believe oe uses ipkg?
Aug 10 18:44:23 <wermjenantanenba> I'm no expert
Aug 10 18:44:31 <wermjenantanenba> I just love my linux :)
Aug 10 18:44:38 <B1gtuna> Hm does ipkg resolve dependencies?
Aug 10 18:44:43 <wermjenantanenba> I don't
Aug 10 18:44:45 <wermjenantanenba> know
Aug 10 18:44:47 <wermjenantanenba> XD
Aug 10 18:44:49 <B1gtuna> haha i'm not an expert, but I love linux too
Aug 10 18:44:49 <B1gtuna> lol
Aug 10 18:44:52 <B1gtuna> alright coolio
Aug 10 18:45:10 <wermjenantanenba> you might as well stay, this channel is quiet
Aug 10 18:45:21 <B1gtuna> haha ya i will be around
Aug 10 18:45:27 <wermjenantanenba> :D
Aug 10 18:45:32 <wermjenantanenba> OH THANK YOU!
Aug 10 18:45:33 <wermjenantanenba> lol
Aug 10 18:45:43 <B1gtuna> lol thanks for responding for my calls haha
Aug 10 18:45:49 <B1gtuna> what are you using your OE for?
Aug 10 18:46:11 <wermjenantanenba> I haven't even gotten a working build going yet, I still have to get my system back to working capacity first
Aug 10 18:46:24 <wermjenantanenba> what distro are you using?
Aug 10 18:46:38 <wermjenantanenba> (purely for informational purposes)
Aug 10 18:46:48 <wermjenantanenba> I don't like flame wars ;)
Aug 10 18:47:29 <B1gtuna> i see. what do you mean which distro? i use different layers from meta-oe, meta, meta-lxde and such at the moment
Aug 10 18:49:01 <wermjenantanenba> As your actual OS?
Aug 10 18:49:21 <wermjenantanenba> I run arch, I just play around with OE and buildroot
Aug 10 18:49:37 <B1gtuna> ohh i'm on ubuntu 12.04
Aug 10 18:49:44 <wermjenantanenba> buildroot is much friendlier to new users, no one can argue with me there right? I hope
Aug 10 18:49:52 <B1gtuna> hmm
Aug 10 18:49:55 <bluelightning> I'm not sure that's totally true...
Aug 10 18:50:01 <wermjenantanenba> But OE is so much more powerful and professional.... I MUST LEARN IT'S WAYS
Aug 10 18:50:40 <B1gtuna> oh bluelightning, do you know if it's possible to use Ubuntu's repository on an OE/YoctoProject build?
Aug 10 18:51:06 <bluelightning> B1gtuna: do you mean, install packages from ubuntu into an image built with our build system?
Aug 10 18:52:06 <wermjenantanenba> I mean buildroot has the whole menu and configuration thing... it doesn't need any documentation. I never read the manual, and got a working system on the first try
Aug 10 18:52:07 <B1gtuna> yupp. So I boot with my OE image, and if i figure out I need to put the Chrome browser, I thought it would be nice to be able to do simply apt-get install google-chrome
Aug 10 18:52:28 <wermjenantanenba> B1gtuna chrome has a debian package
Aug 10 18:52:35 <B1gtuna> (Rather than bitbake the whole image with meta-browsers)
Aug 10 18:53:05 <B1gtuna> True, but the debian package alone doesn't come with all the dependencies right?
Aug 10 18:54:05 <B1gtuna> Perhaps I am just not familiar with OE/Yocto culture. Not sure how others are managing packages. 
Aug 10 18:54:24 <wermjenantanenba> B1gtuna I don't know.... Might as well try in a VM or something right :D
Aug 10 18:54:38 <wermjenantanenba> I can't figure out OE for the life of me
Aug 10 18:54:43 <wermjenantanenba> I need more docs
Aug 10 18:54:48 <wermjenantanenba> MOAR DOCS!
Aug 10 18:55:54 <bluelightning> B1gtuna: so you could in theory do that, in practice it's unlikely to work
Aug 10 18:56:10 <bluelightning> it's like asking could you extract an rpm from fedora onto an ubuntu system and have it just work
Aug 10 18:56:34 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: hmm you are saying setting up apt with the official Ubuntu repo wouldn't work right?
Aug 10 18:56:40 <bluelightning> wermjenantanenba: have you looked at the yocto project documentation?
Aug 10 18:56:53 <bluelightning> B1gtuna: no, I don't think it would
Aug 10 18:56:55 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: How do people manage packages usually? 
Aug 10 18:57:09 <wermjenantanenba> bluelightning no
Aug 10 18:57:13 <bluelightning> B1gtuna: with zypper/rpm, opkg, or apt/dpkg
Aug 10 18:57:30 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: Thanks for your insight btw. I was afraid I'd be wasting time trying. I guess I should stop with the pursuit. 
Aug 10 18:57:37 <alexhairyman> what the hell, wermjenantanenba has been banned on several channels :(
Aug 10 18:57:38 <bluelightning> B1gtuna: they just set up their own repos containing packages built from the build system
Aug 10 18:57:48 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: hmmm apt+dpkg resolves dependencies? sorry noob here
Aug 10 18:57:48 <alexhairyman> It's the first time I've ever used that name
Aug 10 18:58:07 <bluelightning> B1gtuna: there are recipes for chromium in meta-browser I believe if that's what you're looking for
Aug 10 18:58:17 <bluelightning> B1gtuna: it does yes
Aug 10 18:58:36 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: I see. LOL I guess I'm setting up my own repository. 
Aug 10 18:59:21 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: Yes I have meta-browser already built in, but i'm just not sure how the users of my image will install more apps
Aug 10 18:59:40 <bluelightning> B1gtuna: you can just use your deploy directory as a repository - just bitbake package-index and then share it over http/ftp/whatever
Aug 10 18:59:57 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: Is there a distro built with OE/Yocto that provides public repository much like Ubuntu's?
Aug 10 19:00:07 <bluelightning> although if you are looking at creating a proper distro you need to do a bit more than that
Aug 10 19:00:11 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Aug 10 19:00:16 <bluelightning> yes, angstrom, and I believe SHR as well
Aug 10 19:00:38 <bluelightning> depends on what machines you are looking to support
Aug 10 19:00:42 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: I see. Wow I learned so much after strugging the past couple days haha
Aug 10 19:01:19 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: Will check out angstrom and SHR. 
Aug 10 19:01:43 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: thanks for your help. I appreciate it. 
Aug 10 19:01:53 <bluelightning> no worries
Aug 10 19:02:20 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: Are you one of the OE/Yocto developers?
Aug 10 19:14:13 <bluelightning> B1gtuna: yes, I'm employed by Intel to work on the Yocto Project
Aug 10 19:14:37 <bluelightning> I've also been an OE community member for a while
Aug 10 19:19:04 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: that's awesome :). Do you have a website or twitter that I can follow?
Aug 10 19:20:24 <bluelightning> B1gtuna: I have a blog but I almost never update it...
Aug 10 19:21:02 <bluelightning> it's syndicated on planet.linuxtogo.org along with some other OE community folks
Aug 10 19:31:54 <B1gtuna> bluelightning: Looks like a good read. Thanks :)
Aug 10 19:33:49 <bluelightning> np
Aug 10 21:05:22 <carldani> does OpenELEC have anything to do with OpenEmbedded or is the "Open Embedded Linux Entertainment Center" name just an accidental similarity to openembedded?
Aug 10 21:14:09 <bluelightning> carldani: as far as I am aware there is no connection
Aug 10 21:20:07 <housel> Is there an equivalent to oe-classic's src_distribute_local.bbclass in current oe-core?
Aug 10 21:34:37 <carldani> bluelightning: thanks
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