**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 18 02:59:56 2023
Jan 18 07:47:57 <mckoan> good morning
Jan 18 10:28:46 <guysoft[m]> Hey all, I have an lm75 that I want to set to work with hwmon without updating the device tree.... (full message at <https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/libera.chat/3a90c729da31a00b3d146790a93a5c54a32f04c2>)
Jan 18 18:19:41 <Crofton> Weird: NOTE: recipe libcap-native-2.66-r0: task do_compile: Started
Jan 18 18:19:42 <Crofton> NOTE: No reply from server in 30s
Jan 18 18:19:42 <Crofton> Timeout while waiting for a reply from the bitbake server (60s)
Jan 18 18:19:42 <Crofton> program finished with exit code 1
Jan 18 20:41:11 <Crofton> meta-ti depends on meta-arm!
Jan 18 20:42:15 <denix> Crofton: https://git.yoctoproject.org/meta-ti/tree/meta-ti-bsp/conf/layer.conf#n18
Jan 18 20:42:49 <denix> Crofton: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layer/meta-ti-bsp/
Jan 18 20:43:04 <Crofton> I was just amused the stuff needed from meta-arm wasn't just copied over :)
Jan 18 20:45:49 <Crofton> where does meta-arm live? Certainly not on @jonmason account on github?
Jan 18 20:46:13 <jonmason> its on git.yp.org
Jan 18 20:46:49 <jonmason> my github/gitlab is staging for it, and aside from stuff I'm working on, it's the same
Jan 18 20:57:12 <denix> Crofton: http://layers.openembedded.org/layerindex/branch/master/layer/meta-arm/
Jan 18 20:57:51 <Crofton> yeah, sorted that, but refusing to build for
Jan 18 20:57:52 <denix> I know layerindex has been neglected (heh, moto-timo isn't here?), but basic stuff like that still works!
Jan 18 20:57:55 <Crofton> ERROR:  OE-core's config sanity checker detected a potential misconfiguration.
Jan 18 20:57:56 <Crofton>     Either fix the cause of this error or at your own risk disable the checker (see sanity.conf).
Jan 18 20:57:56 <Crofton>     Following is the list of potential problems / advisories:
Jan 18 20:57:56 <Crofton>     MACHINE=j721e-evm.conf is invalid. Please set a valid MACHINE in your local.conf, environment or other configuration file.
Jan 18 20:58:10 <Crofton> clearly my fingers are typing something wrong
Jan 18 20:58:27 <Crofton> meta-ti-bsp           /home/balister/opensdr/test-builds/kirkstone-ti/openembedded-core/../meta-ti/meta-ti-bsp  6
Jan 18 20:58:36 <Crofton> from bitbake-layers showlayers
Jan 18 20:58:59 <Crofton> der
Jan 18 20:59:02 <Crofton> I am an idiot
Jan 18 20:59:04 <JaMa> Crofton: remove ".conf" :)
Jan 18 20:59:05 <moto-timo> denix: I'm not here.
Jan 18 20:59:22 <Crofton> JaMa: I barely beat you getting there :)
Jan 18 20:59:27 <Crofton> too much cut/paste
Jan 18 20:59:45 <denix> moto-timo: sorry, hexchat failed to expand you nick for some reason :)
Jan 18 21:00:02 <moto-timo> denix: that is because I roled a 42 for stealth.
Jan 18 21:00:10 <moto-timo> rolled even
Jan 18 21:00:22 <jonmason> lol
Jan 18 21:00:38 <jonmason> roll for initiative!
Jan 18 21:00:47 <moto-timo> um... do I get advantage?
Jan 18 21:00:57 <moto-timo> because... um... COVID and stuff
Jan 18 21:01:26 * moto-timo has spent the last few months catching up on Critical Role YouTube hijinx
Jan 18 21:03:08 <moto-timo> denix: meta-arago-distro has a dependency on 'browser-layer', but meta-browser broke out meta-chromium and meta-firefox, so arago needs to pick a specific flavor.
Jan 18 21:03:12 * moto-timo ducks
Jan 18 21:03:25 <moto-timo> bazinga!
Jan 18 21:05:29 <denix> moto-timo: I know, but the official TI config pins down to meta-browser before that split... and mostly because there are no release branches. basically, layerindex doesn't work with layers that are "rolling" plus with custom layer setups
Jan 18 21:05:58 <moto-timo> gee, let me write some psychic code for y'all
Jan 18 21:06:01 * moto-timo ducks
Jan 18 21:07:21 <moto-timo> ok, I know rburton filed a bug in bugzilla that bitbake isn't psychic? or was that just a threat?
Jan 18 21:07:32 <rburton> yeah there is a bug
Jan 18 21:07:58 <moto-timo> psychic isn't in the subject line then... sad. We should fix that in bug triage tomorrow morning.
Jan 18 21:09:29 <rburton> moto-timo: it was closed https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13210
Jan 18 21:09:32 * moto-timo ignores denix eye of sauron and the temple of doom
Jan 18 21:09:56 <moto-timo> rburton: ah yes, filters
Jan 18 21:09:58 <denix> s/psychic/psycho
Jan 18 21:10:20 <rburton> feel free to mark bugs as duplicates :)
Jan 18 21:10:50 <Crofton> tips on unwinding this?
Jan 18 21:10:55 <Crofton> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JebSVtEZ/
Jan 18 21:11:32 <moto-timo> https://bugzilla.yoctoproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13210#c3
Jan 18 21:11:35 <denix> yeah, sounds familiar...
Jan 18 21:11:58 <denix> Crofton: show me your bblayers.conf
Jan 18 21:12:18 <moto-timo> Crofton: also, what is in DISTRO_FEATURES
Jan 18 21:12:32 <rburton> the sooner everyone can just use mesa and friends the better
Jan 18 21:12:37 <Crofton> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/F7mQ0jVR/
Jan 18 21:12:53 <Crofton> U told it to use mesa and it builds
Jan 18 21:13:22 <Crofton> DISTRO_FEATURES:append = " opengl x11"
Jan 18 21:13:35 <Crofton> distroless build basically
Jan 18 21:13:37 <moto-timo> ok, that's a low hanging fruit, but it has bit me
Jan 18 21:13:48 <XorA> nothing like a bit of Black Mesa fun :-D
Jan 18 21:14:02 <denix> rburton: yeah, welcome to the club, this IMG binary blob business is driving me crazy...
Jan 18 21:14:31 <moto-timo> denix: the GPU vendor?
Jan 18 21:14:41 <denix> Crofton: unfortunately, IMG crap in meta-ti only supports EGL/GLES on Wayland/Weston
Jan 18 21:16:11 * moto-timo recalls losing ~2 years waiting for BBB GPU support to get simmered on the stove
Jan 18 21:16:16 <denix> moto-timo: Imagination Tech
Jan 18 21:16:22 <moto-timo> denix: that's the one
Jan 18 21:16:39 <moto-timo> it's good tech, just needs to get on the FOSS train
Jan 18 21:16:58 <moto-timo>  /retract
Jan 18 21:17:09 <moto-timo> not trying to start a b**ch session
Jan 18 21:17:25 <denix> Crofton: I'm guessing adding x11 to the distro features pulls full GL somewhere. can you try w/o it?
Jan 18 21:17:40 <Crofton> ok
Jan 18 21:17:50 <Crofton> trying to get gqrx going ....
Jan 18 21:17:53 <moto-timo> hopefully you don't have any "must have x11" apps
Jan 18 21:18:08 <rburton> denix: ditch img and get a modern mali ;)
Jan 18 21:18:11 <Crofton> gqrx is on top of qt
Jan 18 21:18:40 <Crofton> I suck at gui shit still
Jan 18 21:18:47 * moto-timo notes that denix has no power over the choices TI makes
Jan 18 21:18:57 <denix> moto-timo: well, they started upsteaming their Vulkan driver for the new cores, but that won't fix SGX for now
Jan 18 21:19:18 <moto-timo> denix: yeah, that was the tingle that made me retract
Jan 18 21:19:50 <denix> rburton: I got tons of boards with mali and other graphics... what are you implying?
Jan 18 21:20:03 <denix> rburton: talk to TI, I guess, I don't work for them
Jan 18 21:20:07 <rburton> yeah, i know
Jan 18 21:20:59 * moto-timo 🍿 at an active #oe
Jan 18 21:21:02 <rburton> i've not actually tried, displays are for wimps who can't use ssh, but i'm told that the modern malis are actually well supported with open drivers.  there's even co-operation between the mali closed driver teams and the open community
Jan 18 21:21:33 <moto-timo> we need a plugin to git that emulates ssh
Jan 18 21:21:40 <moto-timo> never leave git
Jan 18 21:21:42 <moto-timo> lol
Jan 18 21:21:56 <Crofton> what rburton  says, but demos with screens work better. And we a short demos that work
Jan 18 21:22:19 <moto-timo> Crofton: screens (and sounds) are a proven traffic attractor
Jan 18 21:22:58 <Crofton> listening to wireless mikes qith gqrx at dusseldorf was a big hit
Jan 18 21:23:01 <moto-timo> also, eyeballs
Jan 18 21:23:14 <moto-timo> put eyeballs on anything and people cannot resist
Jan 18 21:24:05 <denix> Crofton: was it in Dusseldorf? wow, that was ages ago!
Jan 18 21:24:39 <moto-timo> rburton: did you see my response to the thread about UNKNOWN-0.0.0.whl? can you believe it was lack of PEP-621 support? curses
Jan 18 21:25:40 <denix> heh, Dusseldorf was about 9 years ago... ages!
Jan 18 21:26:38 <Crofton> tanking opengl and x11 from distro features and something is building, annoyingly I do not have the actual evm, only an bone ai with no bsp to use
Jan 18 21:27:08 <moto-timo> there are probably still some erroneous dependencies on x11... so 1991
Jan 18 21:27:35 <moto-timo> we had a lot of x11 distro feature dependency creep back in the dark ages
Jan 18 21:28:26 <Crofton> yeah this line was created in the dark ages
Jan 18 21:30:04 <Crofton> we need an intro to how soc graphics work for dummies used to ssh and serial ports
Jan 18 21:32:40 <Crofton> and how it interacts with your build
Jan 18 21:38:51 <moto-timo> and then an intro into why you aren't going to run ubuntu on that environment
Jan 18 21:39:30 <moto-timo> s/aren't going to/do not want to/
Jan 18 21:40:01 <moto-timo> the other end of the spectrum
Jan 18 21:42:13 <Crofton> anyone have a j271e-evm borad?
Jan 18 21:43:04 <denix> Crofton: I don't have the EVM, but I do have couple derivatives
Jan 18 21:45:03 * moto-timo realizes denix definitely has more boards
Jan 18 21:45:20 <Crofton> do you ahve an rtl-sdr dongle?
Jan 18 21:45:55 <denix> Crofton: yeah, I do have that one too, USB one
Jan 18 21:45:59 <Crofton> I think you did at some point, and have run gqrx in the past
Jan 18 21:46:19 <Crofton> Do you mind trying some images if I get them to build
Jan 18 21:46:20 <denix> moto-timo: what I don't have is lots of time to play with those!!!
Jan 18 21:46:40 <moto-timo> denix: same same. sigh
Jan 18 21:46:58 * moto-timo moved houses and still has not set up "the lab"
Jan 18 21:47:01 <denix> Crofton: I guess I could try that...
Jan 18 21:47:29 <Crofton> lets me see what I get built
Jan 18 21:47:58 <Crofton> and send me a machine name that works in kirkstone
Jan 18 21:48:31 * moto-timo resists trolling
Jan 18 21:48:43 * Crofton slaps moto-timo with a trout
Jan 18 21:49:21 <Crofton> best stand demo we ever did was gqrx on minnow and beaglex15 or so
Jan 18 21:49:33 <Crofton> easy to explain same layers except for bsp layer
Jan 18 21:50:16 * moto-timo sends Crofton a sheep
Jan 18 21:50:30 <Crofton> gets out his sheep gloves
Jan 18 21:51:06 <moto-timo> Crofton: that is an excellent demo idea... (at one point I remember being able to change "one line" in local.conf and everything worked)
Jan 18 21:51:33 <denix> Crofton: was it RPi and X15? maybe Minnow too... but the message was really great for OE with "just replace the BSP"!
Jan 18 21:51:37 <Crofton> well two bsps in one set of layers that would be a stretch goal
Jan 18 21:51:46 <Crofton> maybe e300
Jan 18 21:51:56 <Crofton> I know I had a minnow running at some point
Jan 18 21:52:10 <Crofton> I avoided poiting out how much better it perfromed :)
Jan 18 21:52:47 <Crofton> anyway, this image has suffered from neglect, trying to sort that now
Jan 18 21:53:08 <denix> well, offloading to DSP would have been a great next target...
Jan 18 21:54:53 <Crofton> we need interns
Jan 18 21:54:54 <denix> but the demo had SDR running on ARM and RPi3 was 64-bit Cortex-A53 while Beagle-X15 was an old 32-bit Cortex-A15... :)
Jan 18 21:55:15 <moto-timo> offloading to DSP and PRU
Jan 18 21:55:28 <moto-timo> PRU is amazing for tiny chunks of work
Jan 18 21:59:20 <moto-timo> so now it should be RPi4 and BBAI-64?
Jan 18 21:59:46 <moto-timo> and maybe throw a RISC-V in there to throw some ice in the laps of the hype
Jan 18 22:00:08 * moto-timo wishes RISC-V wasn't the losing horse
Jan 18 22:02:27 <Crofton> need real vector risc-v hardware
Jan 18 22:02:37 <moto-timo> make it so
Jan 18 22:02:57 <moto-timo> can we just do that at one of the "free" foundries?
Jan 18 22:03:14 <moto-timo> I don't care if it's 1 micron node
Jan 18 22:03:51 <moto-timo> OpenEmbedded 5.0: our own silicon
Jan 18 22:10:40 <Crofton> urg thoughts on this?
Jan 18 22:10:45 <Crofton> ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'ti-k3-secdev-native' (but mc:k3r5:/home/balister/opensdr/test-builds/kirkstone-ti/openembedded-core/../meta-ti/meta-ti-bsp/recipes-bsp/ti-sci-fw/ti-sci-fw_git.bb DEPENDS on or otherwise requires it). Close matches:
Jan 18 22:10:45 <Crofton>   makedevs-native
Jan 18 22:10:45 <Crofton> ERROR: Required build target 'ti-sci-fw' has no buildable providers.
Jan 18 22:10:45 <Crofton> Missing or unbuildable dependency chain was: ['ti-sci-fw', 'ti-k3-secdev-native']
Jan 18 22:10:58 <Crofton> meta-ti-extras?
Jan 18 22:16:15 <denix> Crofton: well, yeah. but you don't need HS stuff...
Jan 18 22:19:16 <denix> Crofton: this is being resolved now, but since you only need GP, you can just set a dummy TI_SECURE_DEV_PKG_K3 in your local.conf
Jan 18 22:24:07 <Crofton> ah, I added extras
Jan 18 22:24:42 <Crofton> what is GP?
Jan 18 22:25:48 <Crofton> er HS
Jan 18 22:25:50 <denix> GP = general purpose, HS = High Security
Jan 18 22:26:09 <Crofton> how you you set a dummy?
Jan 18 22:26:38 <denix> just set TI_SECURE_DEV_PKG_K3=blah
Jan 18 22:27:37 <denix> basically, HS means secure boot, TPM, everything is encrypted and so on
Jan 18 22:27:44 <Crofton> ok
Jan 18 22:27:46 <Crofton> thanks
Jan 18 22:29:24 <denix> if you add meta-ti-extras, it will satisfy the dependency, but will result in no-security anyway, so should be fine as well
Jan 18 22:29:39 <Crofton> what else is in extras?
Jan 18 22:30:28 <Crofton> look slike a multiconfig build even
Jan 18 22:34:02 <denix> well, multiconfig is standard for all TI 64-bit platforms, so that is in meta-ti-bsp
Jan 18 22:35:55 <denix> meta-ti-extras is really for non-BSP stuff, like extra firmwares for DSP and other HW-accel cores...
Jan 18 22:43:40 <Crofton> but useful stuff just not critical to boot?
Jan 18 22:54:04 <denix> correct
Jan 18 23:52:18 <Crofton> Why would I have added this to images?
Jan 18 23:52:21 <Crofton> xserver-xorg-extension-glx
Jan 18 23:53:21 * moto-timo resists a mushroom themed troll
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