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Nov 26 06:39:48 <JohnnyLollipop> Hi, there
Nov 26 06:39:53 <JohnnyLollipop> good afternoon
Nov 26 06:56:13 <denkenz> hello
Nov 26 07:06:44 <zhenhua1> JohnnyLollipop: hello
Nov 26 07:15:41 <JohnnyLollipop> any one has idea about how to establish ppp connection through modem within oFono APIs?
Nov 26 07:16:04 <denkenz> oFono does not support ppp at this time
Nov 26 07:16:28 <denkenz> We're working on a solution, but no dates as to when it will be useable
Nov 26 07:16:47 <JohnnyLollipop> does N900 implement oFono within it?
Nov 26 07:17:00 <denkenz> No
Nov 26 07:17:12 <denkenz> N900 uses a different daemon
Nov 26 07:20:04 <JohnnyLollipop> got it
Nov 26 07:20:20 <JohnnyLollipop> I have an idea
Nov 26 07:20:41 <JohnnyLollipop> I know wvdial using wvstream to implement ppp connection through modem
Nov 26 07:21:17 <JohnnyLollipop> wvstream seems a good tool to do this
Nov 26 07:21:34 <JohnnyLollipop> it can bridge modem and pppd
Nov 26 07:21:45 <denkenz> That is a solution that can work
Nov 26 07:22:12 <JohnnyLollipop> so you have tried before?
Nov 26 07:22:12 <denkenz> It is a bit ugly, but certainly doable in the short term
Nov 26 07:22:27 <JohnnyLollipop> ya, that's sure
Nov 26 07:22:52 <denkenz> So we feel that we don't want to use ppp at all, leads to too many issues
Nov 26 07:23:05 <denkenz> s/ppp/pppd
Nov 26 07:23:43 <denkenz> However,  if you need to get GPRS working on a device _now_, you can certainly attempt to do so with pppd
Nov 26 07:24:39 <denkenz> Take a look at the Freerunner setup
Nov 26 07:24:59 <denkenz> Worst case you can use fso-abyss or some other multiplexing daemon, pre-mux a bunch of ports
Nov 26 07:25:03 <denkenz> Then give them to oFono
Nov 26 07:25:23 <denkenz> And write a custom gprs-context driver that would call into wvdial/pppd
Nov 26 07:26:24 <JohnnyLollipop> you mean server Freerunner channel setup?
Nov 26 07:27:42 <denkenz> Whatever their multiplexer daemon is called these days
Nov 26 07:27:52 <denkenz> fso-abyss or gsm0710d or something like that
Nov 26 07:29:28 <denkenz> But yes, similar to how fso does it today
Nov 26 07:29:46 <denkenz> oFono is implementing its own ppp stack, so we'll run ppp entirely in-process
Nov 26 07:30:02 <JohnnyLollipop> okay, sorry for bothering
Nov 26 07:30:24 <denkenz> Not bothering ;)
Nov 26 07:30:29 <JohnnyLollipop> and thanks for your greatly useful information
Nov 26 07:32:42 <denkenz> Stay tuned, depending on how much ppp we actually need to implement we might actually have it soon
Nov 26 07:32:56 <denkenz> The rest becomes quite easy
Nov 26 07:35:55 <denkenz> martin_office: Are you still having issues with bug 8040?
Nov 26 07:37:22 <JohnnyLollipop> one more question, do you mean Freerunner the openmoko device?
Nov 26 07:37:34 <denkenz> JohnnyLollipop: Yep
Nov 26 07:38:14 <martin_office> denkenz, you need tell me why the project is called oFono first. ;-)
Nov 26 07:38:29 <denkenz> martin_office: I already told you, Imad picked it
Nov 26 07:38:56 <martin_office> denkenz,  what is the meaning?
Nov 26 07:39:07 <denkenz> martin_office: Who said there was a meaning?
Nov 26 07:39:52 <denkenz> Last I checked, there was no meaning to the name ;)
Nov 26 07:40:32 <martin_office> denkenz, then why it is oFono not ofono?
Nov 26 07:40:47 <denkenz> Ask Marcel actually
Nov 26 07:40:58 <denkenz> I just remember him saying that's the spelling
Nov 26 07:44:00 <martin_office> denkenz, Good answer. ;-)
Nov 26 07:44:20 <martin_office> denkenz, I will update the states  of the bug later. ;-)
Nov 26 07:44:35 <denkenz> bah
Nov 26 07:45:07 <denkenz> Also check 8042 and 8044
Nov 26 07:45:32 <denkenz> At least 8042 should be fixed already
Nov 26 07:45:38 <martin_office> ok
Nov 26 07:48:44 <martin_office> denkenz, you have fix on 8042?  I originally suspect it is the network signal issue, because I find that it can not happen every time. or maybe I ignored your fix on it. ;-)
Nov 26 07:49:13 <denkenz> Well, by fixed I mean I can't duplicate it
Nov 26 07:49:24 <denkenz> I've had this work in two countries on 3 networks now
Nov 26 07:50:15 <martin_office> denkenz, you try it on the MBM card? 
Nov 26 07:51:32 <denkenz> I haven't tried MBM in Aus yet actually
Nov 26 07:51:39 <denkenz> But it worked in the US
Nov 26 07:52:20 <martin_office> denkenz, Maybe only when I find the HSO modem and then I can really blame the China Unicom 3G network. ;-) 
Nov 26 07:53:26 <denkenz> heh, aren't the Option cards like the most common?
Nov 26 07:55:00 <martin_office> denkenz, In fact, China Unicom is quite suck compared with China Mobile. 
Nov 26 07:55:31 <martin_office> but China Mobile are running TD-WCDMA. 
Nov 26 07:55:42 <denkenz> Ah, well oFono won't help there then
Nov 26 07:58:19 <martin_office> denkenz, what does "help there" mean? help TD?
Nov 26 07:58:35 <denkenz> oFono is GSM only
Nov 26 07:58:48 <denkenz> Is China Mobile GSM?
Nov 26 07:59:31 <martin_office> They run GSM and TD the same time.
Nov 26 08:00:52 <denkenz> Ah, ok
Nov 26 08:00:57 <martin_office> at audio part there are big different between GSM and 3G at ofono side. At data side they almost the same. 
Nov 26 08:01:17 <martin_office> s/./?
Nov 26 08:03:50 <denkenz> The SIM filesystem contents are slightly different
Nov 26 08:03:57 <denkenz> Otherwise 2G/3G are nearly the same
Nov 26 08:08:09 <denkenz> martin_office: Have my MD300 working on Optus in Australia
Nov 26 08:08:30 <denkenz> martin_office: Pop it in, power on, activate context once registered / attached
Nov 26 08:08:32 <denkenz> Just works
Nov 26 08:11:41 <martin_office> denkenz, cooool
Nov 26 08:12:04 <martin_office> denkenz, we are buying MD300
Nov 26 08:12:31 <martin_office> denkenz, you are at Australia.  For Thanks Giving holiday?
Nov 26 08:13:04 <denkenz> Yeah, I presented at OSDC
Nov 26 08:13:15 <denkenz> zhenhua1: Presented HFP working btw
Nov 26 08:13:31 <denkenz> martin_office: And the Option HSO working without a hitch :)
Nov 26 08:15:12 <martin_office> denkenz, cool. ;-)
Nov 26 08:17:39 <martin_office> denkenz, Australia is summer now. Enjoy your summer time. ;-)
Nov 26 08:17:56 <denkenz> Heh, I'm from Texas, its always like summer there
Nov 26 08:18:57 <martin_office> denkenz, I really feel that "the World is Flat" ;-)
Nov 26 08:19:08 <martin_office> denkenz, hehe
Nov 26 09:00:20 <zhenhua1> denkenz: thanks. ;)
Nov 26 11:56:43 <JohnnyLollipop> denkenz: are you going to implement ppp connetion via AT command through modem in oFono?
Nov 26 11:57:03 <denkenz> is there another way?
Nov 26 11:59:11 <JohnnyLollipop> cos' not all modems using AT command
Nov 26 11:59:50 <denkenz> Non-AT command modems generally don't use ppp
Nov 26 12:00:15 <denkenz> At least I've not seen any
Nov 26 12:00:48 <JohnnyLollipop> what a useful information, I will try to study for more
Nov 26 12:00:52 <JohnnyLollipop> ;)
Nov 26 12:12:05 <denkenz> Grr, but the Freerunner has the most braindead modem I've ever seen
Nov 26 12:13:11 <JohnnyLollipop> So it supports other command set than AT?
Nov 26 12:13:33 <denkenz> No, but it hardly supports those either
Nov 26 19:27:21 <jean35> hi everyone
Nov 26 19:27:52 <jean35> I am interested in the n900 phone. Nevertheless for my project I want to be able to get data from the GSM stack.
Nov 26 19:28:08 <jean35> more precisely, I need serving and neighbour cells details
Nov 26 19:28:30 <jean35> I am not sure if the current maemo 5 stack allows it, but ofono seems to go that way
Nov 26 19:29:53 <jean35> I was then wondering if there are planning for ofono to be included in maemo, and if ofono aims at providing the API as explained above?
Nov 26 20:22:39 <denkenz> jean35: N900 is not out yet and the current support for it is not fully complete
Nov 26 20:22:53 <denkenz> jean35: Also, oFono does not yet support neighbor cell information
Nov 26 20:25:33 <jean35> denkenz: hi. the n900 is out, It is being sold... AFAIK...
Nov 26 20:26:06 <jean35> denkenz: do you know if ofono has a planning to become the GSM stack of maemo?
Nov 26 20:26:46 <denkenz> jean35: last I checked N900 was delayed until Dec, but I could be wrong, I still don't have one nevertheless :)
Nov 26 20:27:12 <denkenz> jean35: I imagine so, otherwise Maemo would not be involved in the project
Nov 26 20:27:35 <jean35> denkenz: I very much prefer the maemo environment than android
Nov 26 20:27:45 <jean35> denkenz: as such I would rather invest in a n900 phone
Nov 26 20:27:52 <denkenz> amen to that ;)
Nov 26 20:28:04 <jean35> denkenz: nevertheless, it does not allow the same api to get gsm data as android so far :-(
Nov 26 20:28:29 <jean35> denkenz: I am ready to wait, a couple of months.
Nov 26 20:29:07 <jean35> denkenz: but if there is no gsm api usable for the next semester, or more... then better an android which allows me to do my project :-(
Nov 26 20:29:16 <jean35> denkenz: that is the reason of my questions...
Nov 26 20:29:53 <denkenz> To my knowledge no one is working on neighbor cell info at the moment
Nov 26 20:30:05 <denkenz> The Freerunner does have that capability and it is documented
Nov 26 20:30:18 <denkenz> If you need something today, that is the best option
Nov 26 20:30:43 <denkenz> Of course that one doesn't support 3G...
Nov 26 20:32:43 <denkenz> This will eventually land in oFono, but I'm pessimistic about having it in the next 2-3 months
Nov 26 21:37:33 <jean35> denkenz: thanks for your input.
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