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Feb 22 06:57:33 <zchydem> Hello. I don't know much about ofono, but I'd like to play with it little bit. I have managed to make a Qt app which uses ofono interfaces via dbus. My app can turn modem on/off and when modem's up then it displays the phonesim window. Now I would like to make a "simulated phone call", but is there a documentation what is required in order to achieve that?
Feb 22 06:58:00 <zchydem> For example should I set a PIN for a sim etc...
Feb 22 15:48:59 <crevetor> Hi, who is responsible for the isimodem driver ?
Feb 22 16:14:01 <Jeevaka> crevetor: akiniemi
Feb 22 16:18:31 <crevetor> akiniemi: Hi
Feb 22 16:18:34 <crevetor> Jeevaka: thanks
Feb 22 16:18:48 <crevetor> Has he been around lately ?
Feb 22 17:41:09 <Jeevaka> creveter: yes. atleast till last friday ;)
Feb 22 17:41:35 <Jeevaka> denkenz: ping
Feb 22 17:41:45 <denkenz> Jeevaka: pong
Feb 22 17:42:07 <crevetor> Maybe he quit..
Feb 22 17:44:21 <Jeevaka> denkenz: agent style approach for all cell broadcast messages or for only PWS CBS?
Feb 22 17:45:22 <denkenz> Jeevaka: I think we can do both, unless you see a need to have multiple apps handling these
Feb 22 17:45:59 <denkenz> It seems the home screen is responsible for handling all cell broadcasts, regardless of severity
Feb 22 17:47:11 <demarchi> denkenz: do you know if python bindings of dbus support fd passing?
Feb 22 17:47:25 <denkenz> demarchi: no idea
Feb 22 17:47:39 <demarchi> all that i could find with google is "Zhenhua Zhang" asking this
Feb 22 17:47:43 <demarchi> and no answers
Feb 22 17:47:46 <Jeevaka> hmm. atleast in other platforms it was messaging apps
Feb 22 17:49:25 <holtmann> denkenz: I am not sure the agent for CBS would not be too much overhead.
Feb 22 17:49:57 <denkenz> I'm just asking here
Feb 22 17:50:21 <denkenz> Traditionally the Homescreen was responsible for base station name broadcasts
Feb 22 17:50:31 <denkenz> And popups of immediate messages
Feb 22 17:50:59 <denkenz> I have never seen a real life ETWS/CMAS message, so I have no idea how those have been implemented
Feb 22 17:51:56 <denkenz> However, implementing them in the messaging app seems bizarre :P
Feb 22 17:52:22 <denkenz> Homescreen seems much more appropriate
Feb 22 17:52:25 <holtmann> I was more thinking about all the other CBS use cases that might need specific apps.
Feb 22 17:52:41 <denkenz> Which use cases?
Feb 22 17:52:47 <holtmann> However I have never seen anybody using them. They used with some German carries, but they did stop.
Feb 22 17:53:08 <holtmann> I think because they realized that they can better charge for them using SMS.
Feb 22 17:55:04 <holtmann> denkenz: Can't find the link right now, but then again, I think this got all disabled anyway.
Feb 22 17:55:28 <denkenz> Question really is whether we want a single handler for cell broadcasts
Feb 22 17:55:31 <holtmann> Even the carriers that use the station name are limited. I have only seen it with Wind in Italy.
Feb 22 17:55:37 <denkenz> Or do we really want to blast them to everyone
Feb 22 17:56:09 <holtmann> I think we want multiple handlers for this. Especially in cases it is used with application specific stuff.
Feb 22 17:56:11 <denkenz> Station names are quite common
Feb 22 17:56:20 <denkenz> But they are mostly on 2G
Feb 22 17:56:32 <holtmann> However I doubt that these are many. So the view that we blast to everybody shouldn't matter.
Feb 22 17:57:05 <denkenz> what application specific stuff? Do you know of an actual usecase?
Feb 22 17:57:34 <holtmann> This is all sort of hearsay or some unofficial documentation I found on the Internet.
Feb 22 17:57:50 <holtmann> Seems some people do. However that that could less than 0.1% of all people actually.
Feb 22 17:57:58 <holtmann> And you would need an operator that does send them.
Feb 22 17:58:11 <denkenz> That is very nebulous
Feb 22 17:58:21 <denkenz> There is a way to send user data headers in CBS messages
Feb 22 17:58:33 <denkenz> So you can do sms port address style crap
Feb 22 17:58:44 <denkenz> But we don't expose this through the current API anyway
Feb 22 17:58:49 <holtmann> I would just leave it as it is right now.
Feb 22 17:58:59 <holtmann> And let the people that wanna use it come to us.
Feb 22 17:59:27 <Jeevaka> holtmann: agreed
Feb 22 17:59:32 <holtmann> Going overboard with an agent for something that might not happen anyway and that will not be used, seems to be too much.
Feb 22 18:00:12 <holtmann> I have never been able to make anything useful with CBS and I have toyed with this since 1996.
Feb 22 18:01:16 <denkenz> I'm fine either way really
Feb 22 18:01:29 <denkenz> However, the emergency stuff will definitely have a single consumer
Feb 22 18:01:45 <denkenz> And most likely the same can be said about regular broadcasts
Feb 22 18:01:51 <denkenz> So using signals seems wrong
Feb 22 18:02:22 <denkenz> But in the end the API is so simple it doesn't matter
Feb 22 18:02:30 <Jeevaka> denkenz: what i meant in other platforms, it was messaging app for normal cell broadcasts
Feb 22 18:03:15 <denkenz> Jeevaka: nod, I guessed.  Still seems bizarre ;)
Feb 22 18:03:48 <denkenz> CBS is a transient style message, so putting this onto the platform specific passive notification mechanism is better
Feb 22 18:05:05 <Jeevaka> ok, is the property name change from "EmergencyBroadcast" to "WarningSystemBroadcast" is ok with you?
Feb 22 18:05:33 <denkenz> you mean the signal name? Yes, that one is fine
Feb 22 18:06:05 <Jeevaka> yep
Feb 22 18:09:02 <akiniemi> crevetor: still here
Feb 22 18:09:18 <akiniemi> crevetor: but remeber I'm in the EET tz...
Feb 22 18:11:03 <akiniemi> crevetor: isimodem acting up, is it?
Feb 22 18:50:14 <crevetor> akiniemi: I was wondering if you can take a look at my patch about CNAP support in isimodem
Feb 22 19:03:19 <akiniemi> crevetor: ah, sure.
Feb 22 19:03:36 <akiniemi> crevetor: I've got a bit of a backlog, so give me a couple of days
Feb 22 19:05:39 <akiniemi> crevetor: though can you do me a favor and resumbit using git send-email?
Feb 22 19:05:55 <akiniemi> It's easier to review
Feb 22 19:08:02 <crevetor> akiniemi: sure. I just have to read the man for that first ;)
Feb 22 19:33:12 <crevetor> akiniemi: I resent it through git send-email
Feb 22 21:38:10 <crevetor> padovan: there ?
Feb 22 21:40:45 <padovan> crevetor: yes
Feb 22 21:41:40 <crevetor> padovan: I'm the guy who sent the CNAP patch
Feb 22 21:41:51 <crevetor> padovan: when you say spaces what do you mean exactly ?
Feb 22 21:42:37 <padovan> crevetor: there are spaces instead of tabs in the places I pointed in the e-mail
Feb 22 21:43:04 <padovan> search for '   ' and you will see.
Feb 22 21:43:09 <crevetor> ok
Feb 22 21:43:18 <crevetor> why is that a problem exactly ?
Feb 22 21:43:59 <padovan> we don't use space indentation in oFono.
Feb 22 21:44:16 <padovan> read doc/coding-styles.txt for more details
Feb 22 21:44:42 <padovan> basic we do follow the kernel coding style with some improvements.
Feb 22 21:45:26 <crevetor> I'm a python coder so that explains it...
Feb 22 21:45:30 <crevetor> anyways, will fix
Feb 22 22:17:18 <haxmeadroom> Are there  any more detailed docs for using HFP?
Feb 22 22:25:55 <haxmeadroom> From the wiki on ofono.org, during ./enable-modem, I get "dbus.exceptions.DBus.Exception: org.ofono.Error.Failed: Operation failed"
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