**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 02 02:59:57 2011 Jul 02 19:12:56 How close together do ofono developers work with MeeGo network interface (panel) developers? Jul 02 19:12:59 Are they one in the same? Jul 02 19:18:33 different teams Jul 02 19:22:39 Hello Denis. Jul 02 19:23:30 Yes okay, so with a question like 'where to start with a pin entry GUI' should that be posted to... Jul 02 19:23:33 A mailing list? Jul 02 19:23:36 IRC? Jul 02 19:23:55 I'm guessing the MeeGo IRC. Jul 02 19:25:00 No idea where they hang out Jul 02 19:25:40 Meego IRC or Meego ML is the logical place to start Jul 02 19:26:06 Okay I agree. Jul 02 19:26:18 By the way, I was talking to Juergen yesterday who says he knows you. Jul 02 19:26:39 I didn't know that you were a troll before. Jul 02 19:27:22 sure was Jul 02 19:28:38 That's nice. If I remember correctly, your trollity was in Brisbane which makes me wonder if you know Michael from QSQL. Jul 02 19:29:05 I think he's been in that office for a while so maybe your histories overlap. Jul 02 19:29:33 Funny what a small world this is, I guess we need a new planet to keep things interesting. Jul 02 19:29:47 Brisbane took over QSQL after my time there, but I probably know most everyone who is still there Jul 02 19:32:14 Do you have a strategy for retrofitting mobile devices with modems? I'm starting to be enthusiastic enough about 3G to put modems in everything. Jul 02 19:32:24 ...but having a hard time getting them. Jul 02 19:32:50 For example, Huawei (nor any Huawei 'dealer') doesn't even sell modems to end users. Jul 02 19:33:40 And using a Sierra Wireless in a device typically sold with a Huawei modem misses the point of maximum utility. Jul 02 19:34:14 Define retrofit? USB stick or something more embedded? Jul 02 19:34:31 I mean embedded (Mini PCIe really.) Jul 02 19:35:01 For example, a manufacturer X sells device Y with only Huawei modems. Jul 02 19:35:25 I get device Y without a modem in it and retrofit it after the fact with a Ericsson modem. Jul 02 19:35:37 PCIe is not really embedded, but you can get these fairly easily on EBay or certain other places Jul 02 19:35:58 ...but then all of the thousand users that have device Y with a Huawei modem don't benefit much from my Ericsson ofono testing/developing. Jul 02 19:36:07 However, many manufacturers actually blacklist 3G devices they do not want to support Jul 02 19:36:23 e.g. in the BIOS Jul 02 19:36:43 Not worried about BIOS crippling. Jul 02 19:37:06 I'm trying to tune my development and testing to achieve the maximum benefit. Jul 02 19:37:13 Huawei does work with oFono Jul 02 19:37:15 ...which means using the most common modem for a given device. Jul 02 19:37:45 Just their firmware is a bit less trouble-free compared to mbm Jul 02 19:59:20 Bye bye. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jul 03 02:59:57 2011