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Apr 16 16:10:06 <Tiersten> ka6sox:  You here?
Apr 16 17:07:36 <ka6sox-away> Tiersten: pong
Apr 16 17:08:07 <Tiersten> Not amazingly relevant for openjtag anymore but new ISE webpack is out and it supports Linux
Apr 16 17:08:25 <ka6sox-away> yeah...
Apr 16 17:08:50 <ka6sox-away> http://lap.epfl.ch/dev/arm/jelie/
Apr 16 17:08:51 <Tiersten> Nice that they're supporting it anyway instead of having to use webpack with WINE
Apr 16 17:09:05 <Tiersten> Before you'd have to use the full blown ver if you wanted Linux
Apr 16 17:09:24 <ka6sox-away> we paid for it (as a test) and realizied that it put out different code.
Apr 16 17:09:28 <Tiersten> what is it?  doesn't load
Apr 16 17:09:35 <Tiersten> ah.  there we go
Apr 16 17:09:38 <Tiersten> very very very slow
Apr 16 17:09:45 <Tiersten> put out different code?
Apr 16 17:09:49 <ka6sox-away> its from Luzerne
Apr 16 17:10:06 <Tiersten> Who?
Apr 16 17:10:23 <ka6sox-away> the link I sent you is from Switzerland
Apr 16 17:10:30 <Tiersten> Yeah I know
Apr 16 17:10:32 <Tiersten> .ch
Apr 16 17:10:35 <ka6sox-away> context switch:
Apr 16 17:11:13 <ka6sox-away> the final output of the linux version of ISE and the Doze Version of ISE was different and not always predictable.\
Apr 16 17:11:43 <Tiersten> Oh?
Apr 16 17:11:50 <ka6sox-away> it was weird.
Apr 16 17:11:52 <Tiersten> I thought it was the same.  At least that's what they make out anyway
Apr 16 17:11:56 <ka6sox-away> A can of ASPARAGUS, 73 pigeons, some LIVE ammo, and a FROZEN DAQUIRI!!
Apr 16 17:11:59 <Tiersten> The core should be the same
Apr 16 17:12:02 <Tiersten> ?
Apr 16 17:12:06 <ka6sox-away> you would have thought.
Apr 16 17:12:16 <Tiersten> a can of asparagus?
Apr 16 17:12:18 <ka6sox-away> that is a quote from the bottom of /.
Apr 16 17:12:22 <Tiersten> you been at the shoulder meds again? :)
Apr 16 17:12:42 <ka6sox-away> actually I had a fall today...cant' take me anywhere.
Apr 16 17:12:59 <Tiersten> heh
Apr 16 17:13:04 <Tiersten> hope it wasn't off a tower or anyway
Apr 16 17:13:12 <ka6sox-away> just down a flight of stairs.
Apr 16 17:13:31 <Tiersten> ages when I talked to the local useless Xilinx rep, they said the Linux version generated the same output
Apr 16 17:14:05 <Tiersten> In the end, gave up on it and just used the Windoze version running on a bunch of headless machines via rdesktop
Apr 16 17:14:11 <ka6sox-away> boy we sure didn't experience that.
Apr 16 17:14:33 <ka6sox-away> but we are now testing V7 linux and hoping it will do a good job.
Apr 16 17:14:35 <Tiersten> like invalid generation or wildly varying timing?
Apr 16 17:15:36 <ka6sox-away> both.
Apr 16 17:15:40 <ka6sox-away> but mostly the former
Apr 16 17:15:49 <Tiersten> Ooo... fun
Apr 16 17:15:55 <ka6sox-away> (complaints that perfectly valid structures were not right)
Apr 16 17:16:07 <Tiersten> It's always fun debugging bugs in the synthesis tools themselves
Apr 16 17:18:41 <ka6sox-away> really...well I needed code that I knew (even though I dont' like all the baggage of Doze that works.
Apr 16 17:19:27 <Tiersten> Petition them to do a OSX ver?
Apr 16 17:20:14 <ka6sox-away> for my way of thinking just PPC linux would be fine.
Apr 16 17:20:18 <ka6sox-away> brb
Apr 16 17:20:30 <Tiersten> k
Apr 16 17:25:15 <ka6sox-away> backl
Apr 16 17:25:50 <ka6sox-away> do you like BST or is it a joke?
Apr 16 17:26:42 <Tiersten> Don't mind it.  Doesn't bother me really
Apr 16 17:27:32 <ka6sox-away> I kinda like it as when I'm stuck in an office during the day I still have a little daylight when I get out.
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