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Apr 27 10:29:10 <beewoolie-away> Yo prpplague 
Apr 27 10:30:16 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: hey
Apr 27 10:30:20 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: whats cookin?
Apr 27 10:30:30 <beewoolie-away> building...building...building...
Apr 27 10:30:34 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: just rev2 of our board in yesterday
Apr 27 10:30:39 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: building what?
Apr 27 10:31:12 <beewoolie-away> I'm going back to opie for a bit.  gpe is simpler to debug, but it has such a vast array of dependencies and I am running out of time.
Apr 27 10:31:32 <beewoolie-away> I need a faster machine.
Apr 27 10:32:06 <beewoolie-away> Hey, it just finished.
Apr 27 10:32:23 <beewoolie-away> It takes longer to build opie than it does to build gcc3.
Apr 27 10:32:50 <beewoolie-away> which board are you talking about?  The 79520?
Apr 27 10:34:14 <prpplague> yea
Apr 27 10:34:21 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: small core module package
Apr 27 10:34:44 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: imho, its a hobbists dream package
Apr 27 10:34:47 <beewoolie-away> prpplague: iirc, this is the single board, all in one design.
Apr 27 10:35:11 <beewoolie-away> Who's got time for a hobby?
Apr 27 10:35:50 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: hehe, lots of ppl
Apr 27 10:36:00 <beewoolie-away> They're liars.
Apr 27 10:36:18 <beewoolie-away> they're using the hobbies to hide from the spouse.
Apr 27 10:36:19 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: yea its a single board, but all it has is ram,flash,cpu, and sd socket
Apr 27 10:36:23 <prpplague> hehe
Apr 27 10:37:31 <prpplague> beewoolie-away: we are targeting the PIC hobbyist
Apr 27 10:37:48 <beewoolie-away> Ah, the serious geeks.
Apr 27 13:13:25 <kas11> http://lwn.net/Kernel/LDD3/ may be of interest to those who like to view pdfs when the dead tree version isn't handy
Apr 27 13:18:53 <[g2]> hey kas11 !
Apr 27 13:19:02 <[g2]> I'll be back in a couple hours
Apr 27 13:22:34 <jacques> kas11, wow cool
Apr 27 13:25:11 <kas11> hiya g2 and jacques ;)
Apr 27 13:25:45 <jacques> hi kas11 how ya been?
Apr 27 13:26:26 <kas11> doing fine here, jacques...how's things in the GWN?
Apr 27 13:28:56 <jacques> really nice weather lately
Apr 27 13:33:25 <kas11> has been pleasantly cool down this way this spring too...I expect we will start paying the price for that soon though *sigh*
Apr 27 13:38:43 <ka6sox-office> hi kas11, you guys seem to have a "hot spot" of activity in your area.
Apr 27 13:39:00 <ka6sox-office> good thing your keeping cool.
Apr 27 13:47:05 <kas11> ka6sox-office how so?...inactivity is my middle name
Apr 27 13:51:08 <jacques> anyone else noticed google maps getting slower ?
Apr 27 13:51:34 <kas11> I sure wish people would quit leaving dead windoze boxes on my doorstep tho....I can hardly wait for Longhorn so I can truthfully profess no knowledge whatsoever and boot them to the curb
Apr 27 13:51:43 <jacques> heh
Apr 27 13:51:52 <jacques> just install linux on them
Apr 27 13:55:03 <kas11> uh huh...and then get to be unpaid tech support forever...these people specialize in breaking things so even Linux wouldn't be immune
Apr 27 13:56:10 <ka6sox-office> Family is the worst.
Apr 27 13:57:58 <kas11> uh huh...tell me about it...I have an uncle (retired military...need I say more?) that can break a box by just looking at it
Apr 27 13:59:25 <jacques> ouch
Apr 27 14:12:33 <beewoolie-away> I tell my family to buy Macs because I never hear back from them again.
Apr 27 14:12:47 <beewoolie-away> Note, this doesn't say that Macs are better.  :-)
Apr 27 14:13:46 <ka6sox-office> they might just think that you are off your rocker and vow to never ask again.
Apr 27 14:35:56 <beewoolie-away> That's fine with me.
Apr 27 15:08:39 <kas11> the heck with jtag...we need to build a decent programmable bread machine controller board...something that can make decent pizza dough
Apr 27 16:25:43 <ka6sox-office> I could use a pizza
Apr 27 16:26:07 <kas11> ya gotta love a script kiddie willing to call himself "great" and by way of demonstration, wipes out a hard drive located at 127.0.0.1 to prove it 
Apr 27 16:27:01 <ka6sox-office> Why didn't he just set himself on fire while he was at it?
Apr 27 16:30:44 <kas11> 'tis always nice to see expertise put to good use
Apr 27 16:31:50 <kas11> I think it premature to assume he didn't ;)
Apr 27 16:33:03 <ka6sox-office> ;)
Apr 27 16:39:41 <kas11> btw, it appears 2 people on the Fedora list have gotten Linux viruses in the past couple days...one was just asking for it but the other was a production server so one would presume some safeguards were in place...I won't comment on the practicality of using Fedora as a production server tho
Apr 27 16:45:52 <ka6sox-office> Alpha testing for RedHat.
Apr 27 17:47:17 <beewoolie-away> kas11: how does one get a Linux virus?
Apr 27 18:09:54 <kas11> there is a brute force attack on port 22 that the script kiddies have discovered...http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/linux.rst.b.html
Apr 27 18:11:30 <kas11> been around for yrs...then all of a sudden 2 people on the Fedora list come up with it...seemed odd
Apr 27 18:35:45 <jacques> kas11, any info on the brute force attack?
Apr 27 18:39:11 <jacques> bill gates lobbying to eliminate the H1-B cap. why am I not surprised
Apr 27 18:41:00 <kas11> not really...a couple of people were trying to deduce how the server got infected...the virus manages to get root privleges apparently because it is replacing files in /bin...there isn't a lot of useful info at this point
Apr 27 18:50:44 <kas11> at this point it looks like one sys admin actually ran an unknown file as root to see what it did...it obligingly did thngs like substitute its own version of bash, cp, etc...effectively rooted himself
Apr 27 18:51:32 <jacques> kas11, what an idiot
Apr 27 18:54:14 <jacques> they like to replace init too
Apr 27 18:54:23 <jacques> with one that allows hidden processes
Apr 27 18:55:04 <kas11> jacques  yup... almost as good as the guy who tried to attach his buddy's computer...the buddy told him to go ahead...his ip addr was 127.0.0.1
Apr 27 18:55:28 <[g2]> hey ALL it's a BIG night the gangs just about all here !
Apr 27 18:56:16 <kas11> hiya g2 ;)
Apr 27 18:56:31 <[g2]> HEY kas11 !
Apr 27 18:56:35 * [g2] hugs kas11 
Apr 27 18:56:43 <[g2]> it's been awhile :)
Apr 27 18:57:36 <[g2]> kas11, I don't know if you heard, but APEX boot and runs Linux fine on my IXP422 OEM board from Gateworks
Apr 27 18:57:57 <[g2]> It boot Linux on the NSLU2, but the interrupt handlers for USB are not properly installed
Apr 27 18:57:59 <kas11> I drop in once in a while...but the only ones to talk to are the bots
Apr 27 18:58:16 <kas11> [g2] very kewl
Apr 27 18:58:17 <[g2]> and that may be the same reason the IXP isn't handling ints
Apr 27 18:58:30 <[g2]> roger that
Apr 27 18:58:47 <[g2]> It even recognizes the 64MB on the board
Apr 27 18:59:04 * [g2] bows down to the bootloader master beewoolie-away 
Apr 27 18:59:16 <kas11> excellent
Apr 27 19:00:17 <[g2]> There's just a little fixing up for the slug and it'll be all good to go
Apr 27 19:00:34 <[g2]> I've you've got serial it boots and runs Linux fine
Apr 27 19:00:56 <kas11> so Redboot is history, eh?
Apr 27 19:00:58 <[g2]> after fixing up USB, I'll be able to automatically bring up the usbnet ethernet
Apr 27 19:01:07 <[g2]> almost for me :)
Apr 27 19:01:27 <[g2]> then fix up the final stuff for the IXP
Apr 27 19:02:13 <[g2]> I'll really be starting to focus on the JTAG debugging in the next couple weeks
Apr 27 19:02:38 <[g2]> I was talking to an FPGA guy that had a friend who did a cool product relating to JTAG
Apr 27 19:02:48 <[g2]> It's expensive, but a good idea
Apr 27 19:02:56 <[g2]> url to follow in a minute ....
Apr 27 19:03:03 <kas11> k
Apr 27 19:03:58 <[g2]> http://82.146.199.146:800/eshopping/amontec
Apr 27 19:04:19 <[g2]> check out the chameleon
Apr 27 19:06:58 <kas11> i'm getting 404s from the links on that site
Apr 27 19:07:53 <[g2]> hmm works for me
Apr 27 19:08:13 <[g2]> Oh, on the chameleon link ?
Apr 27 19:09:14 <kas11> you can open this? http://www.amontec.com/chameleon.shtml
Apr 27 19:09:27 <[g2]> 404
Apr 27 19:09:56 <[g2]> it's a programmable coolrunner chip in a DB 25 pin
Apr 27 19:10:29 <[g2]> so by reconfiguring you can make it match your JTAG cable for different devices
Apr 27 19:10:38 <[g2]> most ARM based
Apr 27 19:10:42 <[g2]> mostly
Apr 27 19:11:06 <kas11> uh huh...interesting
Apr 27 19:13:24 <kas11> I have a friend that is using mini-mills to make RF pcbs....it all runs from parallel ports too...much of the popular sw is still running under DOS
Apr 27 19:15:18 <kas11> DOS for cripes sakes...geeez
Apr 27 19:16:47 <beewoolie-away> [g2]: which product is the FPGA?
Apr 27 19:17:02 <beewoolie-away> Oh, wait. I see the coolrunner now.
Apr 27 19:17:18 <beewoolie-away> Looks fast.  1284 interface and 32MHz clocks.
Apr 27 19:22:11 <dyoung-web> Someone told me there was a party here.
Apr 27 19:23:46 * beewoolie-away celebrates
Apr 27 19:25:14 * [g2] celebrates
Apr 27 19:25:21 * kas11 passes out dunce...errrr party hats
Apr 27 19:25:54 <[g2]> kas11, how that pxa treating you ?
Apr 27 19:25:59 <[g2]> The gumstix right ?
Apr 27 19:26:34 <kas11> [g2]  reorganized the office and haven't seen it in weeks
Apr 27 19:27:08 <[g2]> If I didn't have new toys arriving, I'd ask if I could borrow it :)
Apr 27 19:27:42 <[g2]> dyoung-web, My RV042 is supposed to arrive tomorrow
Apr 27 19:27:51 <dyoung-web> whats a RV402?
Apr 27 19:28:01 <[g2]> Linksys VPN router
Apr 27 19:28:15 <[g2]> I think it's got a IXP425 on it
Apr 27 19:28:21 <kas11> I shoulda gone for the kurobox...or just saved my pennies and sprung for a mini mac
Apr 27 19:28:22 <[g2]> 32MB and 8 or 16MB flash
Apr 27 19:28:46 <[g2]> kas11, did you know I had gigabit running on my OEM board ?
Apr 27 19:29:15 <beewoolie-away> [g2]: I've used the RV402.  Nice product.  I think that it is only really good for static tunnels.
Apr 27 19:29:27 <kas11> [g2] last I heard, you had mostly got it running
Apr 27 19:29:50 <beewoolie-away> [g2]: What kind of throughput for GigE?
Apr 27 19:29:53 <[g2]> beewoolie-away, I'm planning on putting APEX on it and reflashing it
Apr 27 19:30:07 <kas11> I'm sorta looking for a gigE switch myself
Apr 27 19:30:08 <beewoolie-away> Really?  Is it an ARM?
Apr 27 19:30:10 <[g2]> 20+MBs on ttcp to /dev/null
Apr 27 19:30:13 <[g2]> IXP425
Apr 27 19:30:19 <beewoolie-away> Hmm.
Apr 27 19:30:48 <beewoolie-away> [g2]: It's got five or six ports.  Do we know how to talk to all of the ports?
Apr 27 19:31:29 <[g2]> I think there a switch chip in there
Apr 27 19:31:54 <beewoolie-away> I guess we'll find out.
Apr 27 19:31:55 <[g2]> so basically, on MII WAN one MII switch and switch handles the 4 ports
Apr 27 19:32:09 <[g2]> very similar to the WRT54g
Apr 27 19:32:12 <beewoolie-away> Would that be a PCI device?
Apr 27 19:32:31 <[g2]> no, on the mii interface
Apr 27 19:32:59 <[g2]> I think some are programmable via that channel and some out-of-band
Apr 27 19:33:01 <beewoolie-away> Hmm.  I guess I don't know much about how those things work.
Apr 27 19:33:21 <beewoolie-away> Does the MII handle acceting packets for each PHY?
Apr 27 19:33:35 <dyoung-web> not much google information about the rv402.
Apr 27 19:34:03 <[g2]> its running the OPEN RG stuff from Jungo ?
Apr 27 19:34:08 <beewoolie-away> I bought one for a customer who was using a Linux server for firewall and intranet services.
Apr 27 19:34:09 <[g2]> ? on the spelling 
Apr 27 19:34:32 <dyoung-web> I dunno, I didnt find anything with google actually....
Apr 27 19:34:35 <beewoolie-away> it's been solid and simple.
Apr 27 19:34:36 <[g2]> I dl'd the GPL firmware source today but haven't looked at it yet
Apr 27 19:34:45 <dyoung-web> I know the WRV54 uses OpenRG
Apr 27 19:34:58 <[g2]> yes 
Apr 27 19:35:24 <[g2]> there's a dude that's statered playing with the firmware
Apr 27 19:35:45 <[g2]> I posted him a note today, might take a while to hear from him
Apr 27 19:36:34 <dyoung-web> aha, RV042.
Apr 27 19:36:43 <dyoung-web> that gives a lot more hits. ;-)
Apr 27 19:36:50 <beewoolie-away> Ah.  It's the RV042.
Apr 27 19:36:59 <beewoolie-away> It looks like it's using OpenSMB.
Apr 27 19:37:43 <[g2]> OpenSMB ?
Apr 27 19:37:51 <beewoolie-away> That's what their site says.
Apr 27 19:38:13 <[g2]> Hmmm, I guess the 425 has 3 NPE
Apr 27 19:38:28 <beewoolie-away> Actially, I'm not really sure.  The links aren't clear.
Apr 27 19:38:41 <beewoolie-away> OpenSMB is supposed to be the VPN software.
Apr 27 19:39:17 <beewoolie-away> Ah. there it is. 10/100 4-Port VPN Router (RV042)
Apr 27 19:39:17 <beewoolie-away> Software: 	based on Jungo's OpenRG.
Apr 27 19:39:35 <beewoolie-away> So, this isn't really open, right?
Apr 27 19:39:45 <beewoolie-away> I mean, it's a proprietary product. 
Apr 27 19:39:57 <[g2]> the kernel and stuff is open
Apr 27 19:40:27 <beewoolie-away> Is it based on the Linux kernel, or something else?
Apr 27 19:40:43 <[g2]> linux 2.4.20/22
Apr 27 19:41:03 <[g2]> iirc
Apr 27 19:41:45 <beewoolie-away> Ah.  It's just a bunch of user-mode apps and, probably, some modules.
Apr 27 19:42:04 <[g2]> freeswan is in there
Apr 27 19:42:36 <beewoolie-away> I've not found a source download.  Have you?
Apr 27 19:42:50 <[g2]> Yeah linksys GPL page
Apr 27 19:43:07 <[g2]> I'm in the untarred source right now
Apr 27 19:43:21 <beewoolie-away> Interesting.  How much is binary only?
Apr 27 19:43:30 <[g2]> dunno
Apr 27 19:44:01 <[g2]> don't care a whole bunch as long as the platform hw is open and I think that's pretty much the case
Apr 27 19:44:17 <dyoung-web> I started loloking at the firmware image.
Apr 27 19:44:31 <kas11> the open in OpenRG seems to have used one of the alternate definitions
Apr 27 19:44:38 <[g2]> bash-2.05b$ ls pkg
Apr 27 19:44:38 <[g2]> Makefile  busybox   gmp   include  linux  net-tools  poptop  pppoe-server  syslog  util
Apr 27 19:44:38 <[g2]> build     freeswan  igmp  kos      main   openssl    ppp     pptp-client   tz
Apr 27 19:45:36 <kas11> is there a driver for what is prolly a Broadcom switch?
Apr 27 19:46:00 <[g2]> I HOPE it's NOT the Broadcom switch
Apr 27 19:46:17 <kas11> thats a big 10-4
Apr 27 19:47:06 <[g2]> bash-2.05b$ find RV042_GPL -name "*.o"
Apr 27 19:47:06 <[g2]> bash-2.05b$        
Apr 27 19:47:17 <[g2]> I'd imagine that's a good sign
Apr 27 19:49:08 <beewoolie-away> There are lots of other ways to make something binary.  Moreover, the kernel modules are going to be the real trouble, if there are any.
Apr 27 19:49:19 <beewoolie-away> Unless we're satisfied with 2.4.
Apr 27 19:49:58 <[g2]> Ummm, it's an IXP425 and we've got the kernel source for 2.4
Apr 27 19:50:10 <[g2]> I'd imaging the port to 2.6 wouldn't be too tough
Apr 27 19:53:59 <beewoolie-away> bbiaw
Apr 27 22:08:52 <ka6sox-away> dyoung-web: ping
Apr 27 22:16:29 <dyoung-web> Ho
Apr 27 22:16:48 <ka6sox-away> Don!
Apr 27 22:17:01 <dyoung-web> whats up
Apr 27 22:17:09 <ka6sox-away> got it to talk
Apr 27 22:17:17 <dyoung-web> whats it say?
Apr 27 22:17:41 <ka6sox-away> something about HANDAR
Apr 27 22:18:00 <ka6sox-away> I am currently not there.
Apr 27 22:18:09 <dyoung-web> Can you make a serial log?  I want to see how the start and end characters are being enumerated.
Apr 27 22:18:18 <ka6sox-away> yeah...I can do.
Apr 27 22:19:02 <dyoung-web> Cool, so that implies that you fixed my VHDL.
Apr 27 22:19:17 <ka6sox-away> I'll instrument it up and make sure that it can be seen on my different boards.
Apr 27 22:19:47 <ka6sox-away> I have like 10 different machines with Minicom sessions available.
Apr 27 22:19:59 <dyoung-web> Send me back the VHDL within the next hour or so.  I'm planning to serialize that 4066.
Apr 27 22:20:03 <dyoung-web> by then...
Apr 27 22:20:10 <dyoung-web> maybe 1.5 hrs.  Dinner.
Apr 27 22:20:19 <ka6sox-away> okay I will
Apr 27 22:20:40 <dyoung-web> anything else before I bail?
Apr 27 22:20:51 <dyoung-web> I was just about to shutdown when notice ping.
Apr 27 22:21:01 <ka6sox-away> nope...I was just checking to see whether you were around.
Apr 27 22:21:13 <dyoung-web> okay back  90m
Apr 27 22:21:18 <ka6sox-away> I'm home with the shoulder in Traction
Apr 27 22:21:38 <ka6sox-away> cya in 90M
Apr 27 22:37:43 <beewoolie-away> ka6sox-away: what you guys got cookin?
Apr 27 22:49:58 <ka6sox-away> working on a CPLD thingy
Apr 27 22:59:41 <ka6sox-away> beewoolie, hard to type with your shoulder in traction.
Apr 27 22:59:57 <beewoolie> Damn, you gotta get an easiler place to live.
Apr 27 23:00:22 <ka6sox-away> Trade in the 3.5yr old for something a little less energetic.
Apr 27 23:00:26 <beewoolie> Glad you're still hacking away.
Apr 27 23:00:46 <beewoolie> 3.5year old...car?  Baby?  Dog?
Apr 27 23:00:51 <ka6sox-away> Baby
Apr 27 23:00:53 <beewoolie> Girlfriend?
Apr 27 23:00:56 <beewoolie> Wife.
Apr 27 23:01:33 <ka6sox-away> wife
Apr 27 23:01:49 <ka6sox-away> headed to recliner...bbiaf
Apr 27 23:02:01 <ka6sox-away> (this is an all hands evolution)
Apr 27 23:05:52 * dyoung-zzzz mumbles random osbceneties
Apr 27 23:05:58 * dyoung-zzzz forage
Apr 27 23:08:28 <ka6sox-web> beewoolie : back
Apr 27 23:08:42 * dyoung-zzzz forage
Apr 27 23:08:53 <beewoolie> You're quick to heal.
Apr 27 23:09:10 * ka6sox-web is in recreate the fix I did earlier
Apr 27 23:09:16 <ka6sox-web> mode
Apr 27 23:09:22 <ka6sox-web> :(
Apr 27 23:10:21 <ka6sox-web> looks like the Moose got shut down.
Apr 27 23:10:32 <dyoung-zzzz> beewoolie, Sorry I'm totally flaked on the IXP stuff for APEX.  I got totally distracted with lots of stuff.
Apr 27 23:10:54 <beewoolie> np
Apr 27 23:11:01 <dyoung-zzzz> the upshot is it comes up for [g2], so its a nslu2 specific issue; meaning you were right.
Apr 27 23:11:19 <dyoung-zzzz> (for [g2] on his avila target)
Apr 27 23:12:38 <beewoolie> I'm not willing to claim victory yet.
Apr 27 23:13:20 <beewoolie> The evidence points to something specific to the slug.  I've reviewed the redboot code without discovering anything.
Apr 27 23:13:44 <beewoolie> ka6sox-away: sent me a jtag dongle, perhaps today, which will help me debug the problem.  I hope.
Apr 27 23:17:28 <ka6sox-web> dyoung-zzzz I don't have the Wiley Deluxe or the new slug yet.
Apr 27 23:17:51 <ka6sox-web> but I expect that I will ship them with the final batch of boards.
Apr 27 23:18:00 <ka6sox-web> is that soon enough?
Apr 27 23:22:45 <dyoung-zzzz> not in a rush.
Apr 27 23:23:20 <ka6sox-web> okay I'm putting together an order.
Apr 27 23:23:39 <dyoung-zzzz> I need to paypal you the amt for the wiley, minus the $10 it cost me to ship Jean Fabrice's slug (which you'll collect from rwhitby)
Apr 27 23:23:55 <ka6sox-web> np...
Apr 27 23:24:21 <ka6sox-web> you want a Wiley Delux, Hard Wiley or a Std Wiley?
Apr 27 23:25:34 <beewoolie> Does the Delux come with fries and a shake?
Apr 27 23:25:55 <beewoolie> If so, then dyoung-zzzz I think you should get that one.
Apr 27 23:27:01 <ka6sox-web> beewoolie: I misteakenly called my ASUS WL-HDD a "wiley" yesterday and I guess the name stuck.
Apr 27 23:27:50 <ka6sox-web> maybe we can port "coyote" linux on there.
Apr 27 23:28:44 <beewoolie> It's using one of those mips based broadcom chips, eh.
Apr 27 23:29:31 <ka6sox-web> yeah..mipsel
Apr 27 23:31:45 <ka6sox-web> heh....coyote linux was made for firewall/AP/router apps.
Apr 27 23:40:03 <dyoung-zzzz> I think I needed the dlx.  Whats a hard and std?
Apr 27 23:40:12 <dyoung-zzzz> I like shakes.
Apr 27 23:41:17 <dyoung-zzzz> do you have a fedex tracking number for me BTW?
Apr 27 23:44:01 <ka6sox-web> I missed it by 10 minutes (concentrating on getting it to work)
Apr 27 23:44:42 <ka6sox-web> Hard is the WL-HDD2.5 (like I have) and the STD is a 16mb with only 1 usb version.
Apr 27 23:45:03 <ka6sox-web> help my poor Vicodin slowed brain...
Apr 27 23:45:26 <ka6sox-web> when TPU's are "high" they are a 1 and low is a 0...
Apr 27 23:46:00 <ka6sox-web> I know its a stupid question but I'm rewriting the Truth Table.
Apr 27 23:54:55 <ka6sox-web> nm...I remembr
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