**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jul 05 23:59:56 2005 Jul 06 12:57:01 [g2]: done any series debugging via jtag? Jul 06 12:57:15 <[g2]> prpplague, not yet Jul 06 12:57:27 <[g2]> You know I'm building hw right / Jul 06 12:57:30 <[g2]> You know I'm building hw right ? Jul 06 12:57:51 [g2]: yea Jul 06 12:57:56 [g2]: was just curious Jul 06 12:58:11 [g2]: i'd like to do some init code debugging with my wiggler Jul 06 12:58:24 [g2]: trying to decide on the best way to do it Jul 06 12:58:49 <[g2]> Yeah, I'm hoping to avoid that :) Jul 06 12:59:04 [g2]: i was thinking just dump the code and then try to disassemble it Jul 06 13:00:26 [g2]: what do you think? Jul 06 13:02:27 <[g2]> so this is object code you're trying to figure out Jul 06 13:03:00 yea, bootloader Jul 06 13:07:22 [g2]: i've used a laugterbach before Jul 06 13:07:41 [g2]: to step through the code being executed Jul 06 13:07:51 [g2]: was hoping to do something similiar with a wiggler Jul 06 13:33:00 buenos dias Jul 06 13:34:26 sigh Jul 06 13:34:46 Western Digihell Caveat drive croakage Jul 06 13:36:14 beewoolie-afk: hey Jul 06 13:36:25 What up sun-dog? Jul 06 13:36:40 jtag'n Jul 06 13:36:55 I LOVE that kinda beat. Jul 06 13:37:04 beewoolie-afk: trying to jtag some info about a bootloader Jul 06 13:37:37 In case you hadn't followed, APEX can now read from JFFS2 partitions. I added directory listing capability as well. Jul 06 13:37:52 I'm *this* close to implementing the network stack. Jul 06 13:38:13 beewoolie-afk: cool Jul 06 13:38:34 beewoolie-afk: now if you only had sd/mmc support via spi (hard or soft) Jul 06 13:38:57 Ah, yeah. I forgot that that was your pet. Jul 06 13:39:13 beewoolie-afk: yea, kinda essential for our boards Jul 06 13:39:37 I may get there yet. I'm negotiating for some new BSP work. Jul 06 13:39:56 ahh Jul 06 13:39:58 <[g2]> cool. beewoolie-afk GL Jul 06 13:40:07 beewoolie-afk: sharp stuff? Jul 06 13:40:40 Yeah, they're really happy with the current state of Linux support and are likely to want a couple of new CPUs to be added. Jul 06 13:41:14 <[g2]> excellent. Congrats! Jul 06 13:41:27 beewoolie-afk: their happy with the lh79520 linux support? Jul 06 13:41:36 s/their/they're Jul 06 13:42:05 The 79520 is one of the ones to be added. It's really close. At the moment, the important missing piece is CF. For some reason, the code I wrote doesn't work on that target. Jul 06 13:42:44 The 79524 is what's complete at the moment. Once the CF driver is fixed for 79520, it's done too. Oh, perhaps I need to get the touch screen controller working, too. Jul 06 13:42:45 beewoolie-afk: ahh so you have stuff not released? Jul 06 13:43:11 Yeah, It's in limbo. I'm waiting for a sign-off before I start pushing it to RMK. Jul 06 13:43:47 ATM, the 79520 portions that work are due to people like you who've tested them. I recall you were one of my early 79520 APEX users. Jul 06 13:44:31 <[g2]> yeah dev, yeah testers! Jul 06 13:44:46 beewoolie-afk: yea Jul 06 13:45:05 beewoolie-afk: but started getting behind, so had to switch to blob Jul 06 13:45:19 beewoolie-afk: is the code you have only for 2.6? Jul 06 13:45:20 There will come a time... Jul 06 13:45:25 Which code? Jul 06 13:45:34 beewoolie-afk: the 79520 Jul 06 13:45:37 Are you asking whether or not APEX can boot 2.4? Jul 06 13:45:50 There is a 2.4 kernel from Lineo. I've never hacked (much) on it. Jul 06 13:46:02 beewoolie-afk: ok, i must be miss understanding you Jul 06 13:46:02 The only thing I ever did was rectify their kernel parameter passing code. Jul 06 13:46:07 ...and fix the serial driver. Jul 06 13:46:29 beewoolie-afk: i got the impress just now that you have updated patches and code for the 79520 Jul 06 13:46:29 I have patches for 2.6 for the lh79520. That's the stuff that is, as yet, incomplete. Jul 06 13:46:38 beewoolie-afk: ahh ok Jul 06 13:46:57 It boots, but without CF it isn't very interesting to Sharp. Jul 06 13:47:05 The network works which is what I used for testing. Jul 06 13:47:07 beewoolie-afk: well, we have pretty much decided not to use sharp again due to their support Jul 06 13:47:23 Where did it fail you? In the Linux arena? Jul 06 13:47:46 beewoolie-afk: in the linux and personal contact/help area Jul 06 13:48:20 Hmm. too bad. I was just talking to one of the sales reps about this. They were burned kinda bad in the past with the vendors who set them up with Linux support. Jul 06 13:48:25 That's why they like me. Jul 06 13:48:32 beewoolie-afk: we are sticking with the 79520 for this project, but all 4 of our new projects have been switched to samsung lines Jul 06 13:49:09 I once considered Samsung, but my client (at the time) didn't have enough expected sell-through for Samsung to be willing to give us the time of day. Jul 06 13:49:14 Sharp was far more helpful. Jul 06 13:49:30 Perhaps it's a region issue. They guy up here has been really good. Jul 06 13:49:49 I hope Samsung works out better for you. Jul 06 13:50:16 <[g2]> dinner time Jul 06 13:50:19 <[g2]> bbl Jul 06 13:51:24 beewoolie-afk: yea, the sharp rep was always easy to reach, but no one seem to know anything Jul 06 13:52:11 About the chip? Or about the Linux support? Jul 06 13:52:25 beewoolie-afk: both Jul 06 13:52:36 I'm asking because I can send this feedback up the line so that they take notice. Jul 06 13:52:59 OK. Is this from the Texas rep? Jul 06 13:53:08 beewoolie-afk: the only real sharp support i got as far as linux goes, i got from you Jul 06 13:53:11 beewoolie-afk: yea Jul 06 13:53:32 OK. I'll let them know. Jul 06 13:53:44 BTW, I'm including the 79520 2.4 kernel in the BSP. Just for kicks. Jul 06 13:54:00 beewoolie-afk: the lineo stuff? Jul 06 13:54:03 It's actually kinda cool that it can build lots of different things automatically. Jul 06 13:54:04 Yeah. Jul 06 13:54:17 I'll probably add the 7a404 stuff, too. Jul 06 13:54:22 As well as my own 2.6 port. Jul 06 13:54:26 beewoolie-afk: against which 2.4 kernel? Jul 06 13:54:34 I think it was all 2.4.17. Jul 06 13:54:42 beewoolie-afk: yea, thats trash Jul 06 13:55:03 It's old, but that is what was done. I don't know how hard it would be to bring it forward. Jul 06 13:55:16 beewoolie-afk: already started it against 2.4.27 Jul 06 13:55:28 beewoolie-afk: but the lineo patches are worthless Jul 06 13:55:32 I'll accept patches. Jul 06 13:55:37 beewoolie-afk: the lcd code is hardcoded Jul 06 13:55:38 I know. That's why I went to 2.6 Jul 06 13:55:46 beewoolie-afk: for all kinds of tft settings Jul 06 13:55:51 Russel made some good additions in that arena. Jul 06 13:55:59 beewoolie-afk: the serial stuff is broke Jul 06 13:56:07 beewoolie-afk: yea, his pl110 stuff rocks Jul 06 13:56:08 I caught that one early on. Jul 06 13:56:28 His code doesn't work, IIRC, on the Sharp UART because of assumptions about the way the FIFO is used. Jul 06 13:56:56 I still have separate serial drivers due to all of the small variations. Jul 06 13:57:00 beewoolie-afk: yea Jul 06 13:57:09 PL110 is LCD controller, right? Jul 06 13:57:13 yea Jul 06 13:57:27 I was really happy to see him add that code to the main kernel. Jul 06 13:57:30 pl010 is the serial conrtoler iirc Jul 06 13:58:04 Right. You'd think they could be a little less obscure. Jul 06 13:58:05 beewoolie-afk: the other problem was all that CPLD crap Jul 06 13:58:36 beewoolie-afk: all of the lineo stuff was hardcoded for that cpld crap on the logicpd board Jul 06 13:58:44 Good grief, I know. Jul 06 13:58:56 I've tried to push most of that stuff out of the middle. Jul 06 13:59:15 It's still messy in places. Jul 06 13:59:54 needs to have a ifdef section for those, if its a logicpd with cpld do it x way, if not do it y way Jul 06 14:00:22 I think I chose another way when I could which is to test on the presence of the constant itself. Jul 06 14:00:44 if there are some places that you find annoying, please let me know and I'll see how we can make it cleaner. Jul 06 14:00:50 after all, no one but logicpd is gonna use the cpld in that way Jul 06 14:01:06 Certainly. It's way to power hungry and expensive. Jul 06 14:01:24 I don't think it's really necessary, either. Jul 06 14:01:43 although, the Sharp validation board has one, too. It's mostly for buttons and things. Jul 06 14:02:02 beewoolie-afk: well its a simple fact that most companies like use are not gonna use the logicpd board, we layed out our own, with lcd,keypad, ram, flash, and process, and thats it Jul 06 14:02:25 Right-o. Jul 06 14:02:33 They all seem to recognize that. Jul 06 14:02:56 it wouldn't irritate me so much if they weren't so clumsy. Jul 06 14:03:03 E.g. no interrupt line to the CF slot. Jul 06 14:03:16 Dumb dumb dumb. Jul 06 14:03:27 CF IO is slower than boot flash. Jul 06 14:03:58 beewoolie-afk: yea, well, i suspect that when we release the lnode board, alot of ppl that would have purchase a logicpd board won't Jul 06 14:04:44 I'd be glad to add it to the 2.6 kernel when it's released. Jul 06 14:04:56 I'm sure Sharp would appreciate it, too. Jul 06 14:05:24 beewoolie-afk: looks to be in two weeks Jul 06 14:05:28 Nice. Jul 06 14:05:43 Is this the Barbados company? Jul 06 14:05:46 beewoolie-afk: less than $200 for the entire kit Jul 06 14:05:56 beewoolie-afk: no, i work for a company in dallas Jul 06 14:05:57 Excellent. Jul 06 14:06:15 I thought that you moved in order to work for a company in the Barbados. Jul 06 14:06:43 beewoolie-afk: naw, i just moved for the hell of it Jul 06 14:06:58 Liking it? Jul 06 14:07:09 beewoolie-afk: i also have a side line gig doing OSS advocacy Jul 06 14:07:14 How's the back-stroke commin? Jul 06 14:07:28 beewoolie-afk: hehe, its taking some getting used to Jul 06 14:07:37 beewoolie-afk: my wife is from barbados Jul 06 14:07:42 beewoolie-afk: so we have family here Jul 06 14:07:44 Butterfly... Jul 06 14:07:50 Ah, that makes sense. Jul 06 14:08:10 beewoolie-afk: we might move back next year depending on how things go Jul 06 14:08:27 Looks like I forced uboot into a submission hold. Perhaps the APEX ethernet stack will have to wait... Jul 06 14:08:28 beewoolie-afk: figured i'd give it a try Jul 06 14:08:35 doh Jul 06 14:08:56 The APEX code was plan B since I don't really want to spend the time on it right now. Jul 06 14:09:11 ahh Jul 06 14:09:13 Fight the good fight to stay offshore. Jul 06 14:09:19 hehe Jul 06 16:45:43 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4244786448.html Jul 06 16:48:02 ouch, 1600 euros! Jul 06 16:49:05 "Head Shot" Jul 06 16:51:04 think we can come in under that price? Jul 06 16:51:09 ;-) Jul 06 16:52:48 oooohyeah\ Jul 06 17:32:09 Looks like that device is targeting abatron. Jul 06 17:32:38 It certainly is nice that they support more than one device without firmware change. Also, it looks like it doesn't have xscale at the moment. Jul 06 17:48:41 [g2]: did you read the link that jacques posted around 4:45 PST? Jul 06 17:53:11 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk, nope I missed it Jul 06 17:53:19 <[g2]> url ? Jul 06 17:53:35 http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4655955.stm Jul 06 17:53:40 http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS4244786448.html Jul 06 17:53:44 both worth reading Jul 06 17:53:59 second one was from jacques Jul 06 17:54:27 <[g2]> I saw the JTAG article just a couple minutes ago :) Jul 06 17:54:38 <[g2]> good deal about the SW patents getting pitched Jul 06 17:55:05 * peteru-home is going to have some beers tonight, with a bunch of geek friends, to celebrate ;-) Jul 06 17:55:29 <[g2]> peteru-home, when are you going to start drinking ? Jul 06 17:56:22 <[g2]> Who's gonna get a beer so I don't have to drink alone ? :) Jul 06 17:56:28 [g2]: in about 4 hours, but if need be I can do a beer with lunch ;) Jul 06 17:58:20 <[g2]> well in small victories I got the perl cgi working with Apache 2.0 Jul 06 17:58:28 <[g2]> it's kinda cool Jul 06 17:59:00 * peteru-home has a bottle of Cooper's Extra Strong Vintage Ale from 2000 sitting in the back of the fridge. Jul 06 18:02:52 I'll raise a glass to that. Jul 06 18:06:13 * [g2] goes to get a beer Jul 06 18:08:24 funny how the peedi uses the same case as the bdi2000. Jul 06 18:08:44 Also, I read through the manual. They're using redboot inside the box. Jul 06 18:10:12 <[g2]> cheers Jul 06 18:10:32 <[g2]> to no sw patents in the EU and OpenJTAG Jul 06 18:10:33 [g2]: Bastard. I can't drink the beer in my fridge yet :( Jul 06 18:10:44 * NAiL cheers anyhoo Jul 06 18:10:45 <[g2]> NAiL, you can pretend Jul 06 18:10:51 <[g2]> we won't know Jul 06 18:11:15 The doc didn't explicitly ban alcohol. But I don't think it's a good idea :P Jul 06 18:11:29 <[g2]> BE GOOD! Jul 06 18:11:36 haha Jul 06 18:11:44 I am :D Jul 06 19:56:31 * peteru-home opens a second beer while throwing profanities at busybox awk. Jul 06 21:15:15 NAiL: Hey man. did the feed ever get updated? Jul 06 21:18:48 He's gone to bed Jul 06 21:19:05 He'll probably be back in about 3 hours Jul 06 21:34:47 k. Just wondered. Jul 06 21:35:15 Tiersten: have you ever used the low-temperature solder method for removing SMD parts? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Jul 06 23:59:56 2005