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Jul 26 09:16:00 <beewoolie-afk> yo peeps
Jul 26 09:16:50 <ka6sox-away> better than perps!
Jul 26 09:20:46 <beewoolie-afk> sheesh.  I been perp'n all morning.
Jul 26 09:21:45 <ka6sox-away> he he
Jul 26 09:23:10 <ka6sox-away> 2.5million parts all built by the lowest bidder
Jul 26 09:23:20 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk, hey stack boy
Jul 26 09:23:33 <beewoolie-afk> Almost there...
Jul 26 09:23:34 <[g2]> or should I just call "Stevens"
Jul 26 09:23:49 <beewoolie-afk> I've got rarp, arp, icmp, and ping.
Jul 26 09:24:18 <[g2]> the old BSD 4.3 or 4.4-lite stack was pretty nice and tight iirc
Jul 26 09:24:56 <beewoolie-afk> I didn't find that one.
Jul 26 09:25:12 * [g2] used to have a tape 
Jul 26 09:25:14 <beewoolie-afk> I found a uIP stack, but it was missing some key pieces so it wasn't really very useful.
Jul 26 09:25:28 * beewoolie-afk muses about the magtape he still has.
Jul 26 09:25:53 <[g2]> I've got a bunch of old FREEBSD CDs
Jul 26 09:25:53 * ka6sox-away muses about the dectape I still have.
Jul 26 09:25:55 * beewoolie-afk eats fresh rasperries
Jul 26 09:26:07 <[g2]> at least back to 2.0
Jul 26 09:26:36 <beewoolie-afk> It turns out that the protocols are, for the most part, quite simple.
Jul 26 09:26:49 <ka6sox-away> somewhere I still have the bootloader toggle in sequence for a PDP8E
Jul 26 09:27:09 <beewoolie-afk> tcp is a little more work, but the others have very simple state
Jul 26 09:27:24 <[g2]> nod.
Jul 26 09:27:31 <beewoolie-afk> ka6sox-away: do you have a pdp8?
Jul 26 09:27:41 <ka6sox-away> I wish...
Jul 26 09:27:45 <beewoolie-afk> I've heard they're cheap.
Jul 26 09:27:51 <ka6sox-away> was the first computer I operated.
Jul 26 09:28:03 <[g2]> pretty finicky
Jul 26 09:28:07 <ka6sox-away> yep
Jul 26 09:28:21 <beewoolie-afk> Really?  Were they error prone?
Jul 26 09:28:38 <[g2]> we had a girl that could drop one from 30 feet away
Jul 26 09:28:50 <[g2]> it was *spooky*
Jul 26 09:29:05 <ka6sox-away> at 84 deg in the room it would just *stop*
Jul 26 09:29:23 <[g2]> "the good old day"
Jul 26 09:29:30 <[g2]> slugs ROCK
Jul 26 09:29:37 * beewoolie-afk stops working at about 84 degrees, too
Jul 26 09:29:54 <ka6sox-away> scary part is that the slug has *much* more horsepower and memory.
Jul 26 09:30:11 <[g2]> hell the caches are almost bigger :)
Jul 26 09:30:21 <ka6sox-away> um...yes....
Jul 26 09:30:32 <beewoolie-afk> ka6sox-away: btw, how do you desolder memory chips?  Do you use a heat gun?
Jul 26 09:30:39 <ka6sox-away> yes
Jul 26 09:30:42 <[g2]> speaking of which have you guys run Zork on the Slug ?
Jul 26 09:30:59 <beewoolie-afk> I read that there is a way to use low-temp solder to make the job easier.
Jul 26 09:31:10 <ka6sox-away> ya.
Jul 26 09:31:52 <beewoolie-afk> Do you have any details?  Is the heat gun easier?
Jul 26 09:32:05 <ka6sox-away> removal requires the gun.
Jul 26 09:32:27 <beewoolie-afk> There's a piece in Make about it, but I don't have it any more.
Jul 26 09:32:34 <ka6sox-away> soldering can be done via gun (with paste) or individual pins (if you are steady enough)
Jul 26 09:32:47 <beewoolie-afk> this seems to be  way easier
Jul 26 09:33:16 <beewoolie-afk> The low-temp solder would flow into the solder on the board and lower the melting temp of the solder on the pins.
Jul 26 09:33:36 <beewoolie-afk> It meant that the whole process could be done with a normal soldering iron
Jul 26 09:34:21 <ka6sox-away> pins are *very small and close together*
Jul 26 09:34:46 <ka6sox-away> so a normal soldering iron would just create solder bridges.
Jul 26 09:35:21 <beewoolie-afk> They used enough of the low-temp solder such that that didn't seem to matter.
Jul 26 09:35:46 <beewoolie-afk> Don't misunderstand me.  I don't quite get it myself, but I thought I'd ask some experts.
Jul 26 09:35:55 * ka6sox-away has a picture...and it isn't pretty
Jul 26 09:38:43 <beewoolie-afk> So, you use a heat gun and a heat shield?
Jul 26 09:39:25 <ka6sox-away> yes
Jul 26 09:39:41 <ka6sox-away> the nozzles are shaped for the individual chips.
Jul 26 09:40:29 <ka6sox-away> off to the mine...back in a bit.
Jul 26 09:40:32 <beewoolie-afk> And there is a vacuum that sucks up the solder and chip once it is free?
Jul 26 09:40:37 <beewoolie-afk> ttfn
Jul 26 09:40:55 <ka6sox-away> it lifts the chip off the board.
Jul 26 09:48:09 <beewoolie-afk> [g2]: btw, I made a change to the APEX config so that we can build a non-BE version for the ixp's.  It's now a config option.
Jul 26 09:48:27 <beewoolie-afk> Actually, it was always a config option.  Now it is user selectable on the IXPs.
Jul 26 09:48:49 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk, cool. So you didn't make separate default config ?
Jul 26 09:49:03 <beewoolie-afk> Not yet.  I'll do so when I make the release.
Jul 26 09:49:11 <[g2]> ok...
Jul 26 09:49:13 <[g2]> THX
Jul 26 09:49:19 <beewoolie-afk> I want to get the network code working as it's really close.
Jul 26 09:49:34 <beewoolie-afk> apex> copy tftp://192.168.8.1/apex.bin 0x20000000                               
Jul 26 09:49:34 <beewoolie-afk> tftp_open: d->c 2 d->iRoot 1 '192.168.8.1' 'apex.bin' 
Jul 26 09:50:50 <[g2]> neat!
Jul 26 09:51:14 <[g2]> makes for quick testing 
Jul 26 09:51:28 <beewoolie-afk> I thought so, too.  It means that I can implement writing at some point.
Jul 26 09:51:48 <beewoolie-afk> And that will be really helpful for testing, too.
Jul 26 09:52:07 <[g2]> yes, but reading much more so
Jul 26 09:52:15 <beewoolie-afk> Indeed.
Jul 26 10:58:51 <beewoolie-afk> Yipee! It works.  TFTP works!
Jul 26 10:59:52 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk, CONGRATS!  You Big Dog!
Jul 26 11:00:01 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk, IS THE MAN!
Jul 26 18:40:45 <dyoung> test
Jul 26 18:40:51 <dereky> test
Jul 26 18:41:51 <dyoung_> foo
Jul 26 22:30:49 <dyoung-web> test
Jul 26 22:31:05 <dyoung-web> test2
Jul 26 22:35:36 <dyoung-web> test3
Jul 26 23:20:21 <dyoung-web> test a1
Jul 26 23:21:23 <dyoung-web> test a1
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