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Oct 19 04:54:32 <[g2]> dyoung-away so has anything been happending on the VHDL front ?
Oct 19 04:54:41 <dyoung-away> Yep
Oct 19 04:54:46 <dyoung-away> Lennert is the man
Oct 19 04:55:16 <lennert> am i?
Oct 19 04:55:26 <dyoung-away> Pong 0.0.1 !
Oct 19 04:55:28 <[g2]> lennert no you're THE MAN
Oct 19 04:55:29 <lennert> oh, right
Oct 19 04:55:35 <lennert> haha
Oct 19 04:55:40 <lennert> thanks :)
Oct 19 04:55:50 <lennert> yeah, i agree that pong 0.0.1 is a major milestone
Oct 19 04:56:27 <dyoung-away> It asserts that you are The Man.
Oct 19 04:56:48 <lennert> yeah it does
Oct 19 04:56:51 <dyoung-away> [g2] it has a makefile and you can make it using the linux webpack
Oct 19 04:57:03 <[g2]> Ahh....
Oct 19 04:57:24 <[g2]> so the linux webpack is now working ?
Oct 19 04:57:31 <lennert> Works For Me
Oct 19 04:57:33 <dyoung-away> depends you you ask
Oct 19 04:57:35 <dyoung-away> who you ask
Oct 19 04:57:54 <lennert> dyoung is 1 library away from having it working
Oct 19 04:58:06 <[g2]> on Deb ?
Oct 19 04:58:09 <lennert> yeah
Oct 19 04:58:13 <lennert> no
Oct 19 04:58:17 <lennert> ubuntu?
Oct 19 04:58:20 <dyoung-away> (note that I've been one library away for like 4 libriaries)
Oct 19 04:58:22 <vmaster_> works for me on debian
Oct 19 04:58:31 <dyoung-away> Yeah, ubuntu...
Oct 19 04:59:16 <[g2]> which version are you using ? vmaster lennert dyoung-away 
Oct 19 04:59:25 <lennert> 7.1u
Oct 19 04:59:28 <lennert> 7.1i even
Oct 19 05:00:02 <dyoung-away> 7.1i
Oct 19 05:00:03 <[g2]> lennert you're running it on sarge ?
Oct 19 05:00:21 <lennert> no, on fedora
Oct 19 05:00:39 <dyoung-away> vmaster: did oyu have to employ a lot of trickery to make it work for you?
Oct 19 05:01:09 <vmaster> no, just download the whole package, not only the installer
Oct 19 05:05:12 <dyoung-away> Ok, I'm re-downloading it for good measure
Oct 19 05:05:38 <vmaster> when using the installer, it used to crash
Oct 19 05:05:51 <lennert> dyoung-away: you still need the right openmotif library
Oct 19 05:06:21 <vmaster> ii  libmotif3                        2.2.3-1                          Open Motif - shared libraries
Oct 19 05:07:07 <dyoung-away> I'll let you know where I stand in 10 minutes.  it s gonna take that long to download the full stuff
Oct 19 06:05:57 <dyoung-zzzz> lennert: Right.  
Oct 19 06:06:03 <dyoung-zzzz> So where I'm stopping tonight is:
Oct 19 06:06:13 <dyoung-zzzz> /tmp/selfgz19924/platform/lin/xilsetup: relocation error: /tmp/selfgz19924/platform/lin/bin/lin/libuser50.so: undefined symbol: _XmAllocHashTable
Oct 19 06:08:16 <lennert> dyoung-zzzz: wrong openmotif library.. ?
Oct 19 06:08:45 <vmaster> vmaster@mad1:/usr/X11R6/lib$ objdump -T /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.3 |grep _XmAllocHashTable
Oct 19 06:08:48 <vmaster> 001552d0 g    DF .text  000000c2  Base        _XmAllocHashTable
Oct 19 06:08:50 <vmaster> vmaster@mad1:/usr/X11R6/lib$ dpkg -S /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.3
Oct 19 06:08:53 <vmaster> libmotif3: /usr/X11R6/lib/libXm.so.3
Oct 19 06:09:25 <dyoung-zzzz> Yep, so I need to dig up the right libXm.so.3 .
Oct 19 06:09:40 <vmaster> yeah, the one from libmotif3, 2.2.3-1
Oct 19 06:09:43 <dyoung-zzzz> ubuntu doesnt appear to have a libmotif3 that I can apt-get install.
Oct 19 06:09:47 <vmaster> ah
Oct 19 06:09:50 <dyoung-zzzz> so I'll need to do something UBE.
Oct 19 06:09:57 <vmaster> hold on, i'll see where i got mine from
Oct 19 06:10:30 <dyoung-zzzz> ok thanks.
Oct 19 06:10:52 <lennert> UBE is like UBEr
Oct 19 06:11:15 <dyoung-zzzz> ~ube
Oct 19 06:11:17 <purl> it has been said that ube is Ugly But Effective.  Or sometimes Unorthrodox But Effective
Oct 19 06:13:36 <vmaster> it's in debian, but under non-free
Oct 19 06:14:02 <dyoung-zzzz> I wonder if I can bend it to my will
Oct 19 06:18:44 <dyoung-zzzz> guess not.  My libc appears to be too old
Oct 19 10:26:28 <ka6sox-office> okay so where do we stand on making 7.1i work in Debian?
Oct 19 10:43:01 <vmaster> 7.1i does work on debian
Oct 19 10:43:06 <vmaster> just not on ubuntu
Oct 19 10:43:27 <vmaster> libmotif3 is part of debian non-free, but it seems to be missing from ubuntu
Oct 19 11:06:11 <ka6sox-office> cool! thanks for the tip.
Oct 19 11:06:18 <ka6sox-office> this is Sarge?
Oct 19 11:06:21 <ka6sox-office> or Etch?
Oct 19 11:13:52 <vmaster> sid+experimental
Oct 19 11:14:02 <vmaster> but it should work on sarge
Oct 19 11:16:16 <ka6sox-office> do you remember the deps?
Oct 19 11:16:50 <vmaster> don't run the small web-installer, use the full download
Oct 19 11:16:56 <vmaster> make sure you have libmotfi3
Oct 19 11:17:00 <vmaster> *libmotif3
Oct 19 11:17:44 <ka6sox-office> okay coolies!
Oct 19 12:06:09 <[g2]> ka6sox-office can you put the howto on the wiki ?
Oct 19 12:06:18 <[g2]> I'll try it later on
Oct 19 12:07:48 <ka6sox-office> [g2], which howto?
Oct 19 12:08:15 <[g2]> setup 7.1i on debian ?
Oct 19 12:08:44 <ka6sox-office> I haven't done it yet.
Oct 19 12:08:58 <[g2]> we should have instructions like we do for development on the nslu2
Oct 19 12:08:59 <ka6sox-office> I'm working on trying to recover Wendy right now.
Oct 19 12:09:20 <ka6sox-office> we could ask vmaster to do it :) since he has already done it!
Oct 19 12:09:22 <ka6sox-office> :)
Oct 19 12:09:24 <[g2]> right I'm aware 
Oct 19 12:09:36 <[g2]> bad SATA controller right
Oct 19 12:10:03 <ka6sox-office> the SATA controller is bad on the Webserver...Wendy is a Slug for building Debian Unstable.
Oct 19 12:10:24 <[g2]> I'm just saying we need to communicate with each other and the first one to get it working should post instructions on the wiki
Oct 19 12:11:11 <[g2]> does that make sense ?
Oct 19 12:11:11 <ka6sox-office> vmaster: could you post instructions on the www.openjtag.net website for running WebPack 7.1i on Linux?
Oct 19 12:11:20 <ka6sox-office> or rather getting it to run?
Oct 19 12:11:26 <ka6sox-office> ya..it does!
Oct 19 12:11:32 <ka6sox-office> (since about 1/2 of us run  debian)
Oct 19 12:11:54 <[g2]> vmaster it's probably been a while since you set it up
Oct 19 12:12:30 <[g2]> I'd like to try to setup it up and and I'll write-up the instructions for a fresh sarge
Oct 19 12:12:38 <[g2]> or nearly fresh
Oct 19 12:13:29 <ka6sox-office> [g2], cool...thanks...I've got my hands full right now.
Oct 19 12:13:42 <[g2]> np
Oct 19 12:19:51 <vmaster> yeah, i installed mine several months ago
Oct 19 12:20:00 <vmaster> not sure if i could come up with all that was necessary
Oct 19 12:20:20 <[g2]> right, you don't need to re-do that unless you want to
Oct 19 12:20:32 <[g2]> but holding my hand would be wonderful ;)
Oct 19 12:20:49 <[g2]> and I"m sure when I trip over the errors that'll trigger how you fixed them
Oct 19 12:21:01 <[g2]> then we can have a recipe for all
Oct 19 12:21:03 <vmaster> heh, sure, just ask if you encounter any problems
Oct 19 12:21:31 <[g2]> ok... right now it's sarge, libmotif3, and the full install
Oct 19 12:22:25 <vmaster> it may complain about your display, if it's set to something too complex
Oct 19 12:22:30 <vmaster> DISPLAY, that is
Oct 19 12:24:47 <lennert> i had to tell fedora to listen on port 6000
Oct 19 12:25:20 <vmaster> listen?
Oct 19 12:26:39 <lennert> yeah
Oct 19 12:26:51 <lennert> x only listens on a unix domain socket in fedora
Oct 19 12:27:08 <lennert> and the wind/u emulation layer seems to insist on connecting to port 6000
Oct 19 12:27:14 <lennert> at least, i couldn't convince it otherwise
Oct 19 12:29:29 <vmaster> mhh... my x doesn't listen on tcp at all, and it worked fine
Oct 19 12:29:59 <lennert> strange
Oct 19 12:30:23 <vmaster> well, [g2] is going to tell us ;)
Oct 19 12:31:22 <[g2]> vmaster ps -axww and look for the -nolisten tcp on the start of X
Oct 19 12:33:26 <vmaster> well, i know that mine has nolisten tcp
Oct 19 12:33:39 <vmaster> it always reminds me when trying to launch an xapp on the server 
Oct 19 12:56:25 <[g2]> nod
Oct 19 16:59:41 <lennert> vmaster, you there?
Oct 19 17:39:19 <lennert> vmaster: never mind
Oct 19 17:39:32 <lennert> we got a linux program running to jtag the spartan3 board via parallel
Oct 19 17:39:45 <lennert> i.e. load a .bit config file into the xc3s200 via jtag
Oct 19 17:40:18 <lennert> so my windows box is now officially useless :P
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Oct 20 12:48:53 <kyoshi> hi
Oct 20 12:48:59 <ka6sox-office> hello
Oct 20 12:49:38 <ka6sox-office> welcome
Oct 20 12:51:58 <kyoshi> nice to meet you
Oct 20 12:52:30 <ka6sox-office> and you too..do you play with VHDL or bootloaders?
Oct 20 12:55:05 <vmaster> heh
Oct 20 12:55:34 <ka6sox-office> rrrrrright.
Oct 20 12:55:35 <ka6sox-office> :)
Oct 20 12:56:12 <ka6sox-office> Last Gasp of a Dying Server:
Oct 20 12:56:16 <ka6sox-office> top - 03:32:27 up 1 day, 20:53,  3 users,  load average: 771.86, 761.94, 741.78
Oct 20 12:56:17 <ka6sox-office> Tasks: 3559 total,   8 running, 3550 sleeping,   0 stopped,   1 zombie
Oct 20 12:56:17 <ka6sox-office> Cpu(s):  1.5% us, 98.4% sy,  0.0% ni,  0.0% id,  0.1% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
Oct 20 12:56:17 <ka6sox-office> Mem:    483808k total,   479064k used,     4744k free,      516k buffers
Oct 20 12:56:17 <ka6sox-office> Swap:   497972k total,   497972k used,        0k free,     2764k cached
Oct 20 12:56:23 <vmaster> lol
Oct 20 12:56:55 <vmaster> let me guess, that's not a cluster, right? ;)
Oct 20 12:56:56 <ka6sox-office> that was my server last night.
Oct 20 12:59:37 <ka6sox-office> nothing like a little load.
Oct 20 13:03:44 <vmaster> that stupid ftdi ftd2xx library is driving me crazy... useless proprietary closed-source crap
Oct 20 13:04:05 <ka6sox-office> there is an opensource one.
Oct 20 13:04:25 <vmaster> yeah, but libftdi is sloooow
Oct 20 13:09:24 <ka6sox-office> so we should fix it??
Oct 20 13:10:20 <vmaster> yeah, but i'm still trying to find out how that chip really works - there isn't too much information available
Oct 20 13:11:00 <ka6sox-office> the register stuff is published.
Oct 20 13:14:09 <vmaster> oh, it is? do you happen to know where i can find it?
Oct 20 13:14:32 <vmaster> i only know about the datasheet and mpsse application note
Oct 20 13:14:33 <ka6sox-office> I got it from ftdi I think.
Oct 20 13:14:57 <ka6sox-office> it also uses another app note as well for the rest of it.
Oct 20 13:24:19 <vmaster> mhh, do you think you could mail me those documents? or did you get them under an nda?
Oct 20 13:44:58 <ka6sox-office> lemme see...back later.
Oct 20 15:36:56 <lennert> dyoung-away: morning
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