**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 24 03:00:00 2006
Jan 24 07:51:17 <ulfk> hi
Jan 24 07:51:34 <lennert> hi ulfk
Jan 24 07:51:46 <lennert> ulfk: did you work for atmel?
Jan 24 07:52:06 <ulfk> for the company? no
Jan 24 07:52:14 <ulfk> why
Jan 24 07:52:16 <lennert> i remember seeing your name somewhere
Jan 24 07:52:35 <ulfk> intersil and xscale are my cpus haha
Jan 24 07:52:44 <lennert> okay
Jan 24 07:52:55 <lennert> maybe i'm confusing you with someone else
Jan 24 07:53:14 <ulfk> i still try to use jtag to flashmem a amd flash chip on a xscale cpu
Jan 24 07:54:01 <ulfk> but therefor i have to learn more about all this shit
Jan 24 07:54:09 <ulfk> anyway 
Jan 24 07:56:03 <lennert> i've only used jtag for programming fpgas so far
Jan 24 07:59:46 <vmaster> lennert: that was Ulf Samuelson
Jan 24 08:00:09 <lennert> yeah, but i do know another ulf k.
Jan 24 08:01:57 <vmaster> Atmel is funny - two of their developers wanted to send patches to the u-boot, but couldn't create them against top-of-cvs, as their company wont allow cvs accesses through their firewall
Jan 24 08:02:25 <vmaster> i'm all for security - but you should be allowed to do your work...
Jan 24 08:03:29 <lennert> yeah, silly corporates
Jan 24 08:10:00 <NAiL> heh
Jan 24 08:10:13 <NAiL> I'm considering applying for work at atmel
Jan 24 08:10:52 <lennert> cool
Jan 24 08:10:57 <lennert> they're in your area?
Jan 24 08:11:17 <NAiL> they're going to open up 30 positions soon... I've just got some inside info ;-)
Jan 24 08:11:23 <lennert> hehe
Jan 24 08:11:31 <lennert> guess they don't allow people to work from home, eh :)
Jan 24 08:13:33 <NAiL> hmm
Jan 24 08:13:37 <NAiL> I can't access atmel.com
Jan 24 08:14:25 <lennert> it works fine here
Jan 24 08:14:38 <NAiL> I can't access slashdot.org either, so I think something is wrong :-P
Jan 24 08:14:42 <lennert> Everywhere You Are(R)
Jan 24 08:14:50 <lennert> NAiL: you'll ping out from irc soon.. :)
Jan 24 08:14:50 <NAiL> actually, I can't *resolve* slashdot
Jan 24 08:14:53 <NAiL> hehe
Jan 24 08:15:00 <NAiL> no, I'm irc'ing from another box
Jan 24 08:15:22 <NAiL> so it's my ISP that has a problem with intercontinental stuff again, I guess
Jan 24 08:15:29 <NAiL> the box I'm on can resolve it just fine
Jan 24 08:15:38 <lennert> try tracing to 132.229.8.6
Jan 24 08:16:05 <NAiL> 132.229.8.6
Jan 24 08:16:06 <NAiL> argh
Jan 24 08:16:10 <NAiL> 15  sherlock.leidenuniv.nl (132.229.8.6)  40.468 ms  40.472 ms  40.978 ms
Jan 24 08:16:26 <lennert> works fine then
Jan 24 08:16:45 <NAiL> tracing atmel stops in NY
Jan 24 08:16:57 <lennert> not your isp then
Jan 24 08:18:55 <NAiL> no
Jan 24 08:18:57 <NAiL> level4
Jan 24 08:18:58 <NAiL> eh
Jan 24 08:19:00 <NAiL> level3
Jan 24 08:20:43 <lennert> right
Jan 24 08:20:53 <lennert> the isp that lost the battle
Jan 24 08:21:24 <NAiL> hehe
Jan 24 08:29:14 <ka6sox> L3 is a walking corpse
Jan 24 08:30:33 <lennert> the folks that keep overcharging for their bandwidth even in this day and age
Jan 24 08:31:59 <vmaster> ka6sox: pong (14h30m RTT aint that bad...)
Jan 24 08:33:01 <ka6sox> ya...not bad!
Jan 24 08:33:22 <ka6sox> what kernel are you using for the box with the ISE in debian?
Jan 24 08:33:34 <lennert> vmaster: sounds like a typical level(3) RTT
Jan 24 08:33:56 <vmaster> 2.6.14 (though every 2.6.x worked for me)
Jan 24 08:34:04 <vmaster> the new ise 8.1i is much nicer
Jan 24 08:34:15 <vmaster> it got a native qt gui, no more wind/u
Jan 24 08:34:49 <ka6sox> and what is the library that we have to drag in from etch?
Jan 24 08:35:07 <ka6sox> something3
Jan 24 08:35:10 <vmaster> for 7.1, you need some openmotif library
Jan 24 08:35:36 <ka6sox> what about 8.1i?
Jan 24 08:36:04 <vmaster> didn't have to install anything extra
Jan 24 08:36:08 <vmaster> guess qt libs are required
Jan 24 08:37:25 <vmaster> mhh, maybe not even that - it comes with its own copy of the qt libs
Jan 24 08:39:11 <ka6sox> cool
Jan 24 08:39:20 <ka6sox> okay I'll download 8.1i
Jan 24 08:39:59 <ka6sox> since I have kde that might get interesting
Jan 24 08:40:11 <lennert> can i download 8.1i somewhere if i have a 7.1i license?  guess not?
Jan 24 08:40:38 <vmaster> the 8.1i webpack supports everything 7.1i BaseX supported
Jan 24 08:40:53 <ka6sox> gotta check that one out
Jan 24 08:41:42 <vmaster> if your 7.1i isn't older than a year you should get an update to 8.1i
Jan 24 08:41:49 <ka6sox> thanks...must get kidlet off to school.
Jan 24 08:41:57 <lennert> i'm using ISE for the v2pro
Jan 24 08:41:59 <ka6sox> its under a year(like 7months)
Jan 24 08:42:08 <vmaster> if your 7.1i BaseX isn't older than a year, you should get an upgrade to 8.1i foundation
Jan 24 08:44:32 <NAiL> Atmel here lies right next to Nordic VLSI/Nordic Semiconductor ;-)
Jan 24 08:47:28 <lennert> there isn't really any tech companies nearby here, i think
Jan 24 08:48:36 <ka6sox> we have Cisco and Raytheon here
Jan 24 08:48:47 <lennert> i.e. the borg and the military
Jan 24 08:48:58 <lennert> :)
Jan 24 08:49:15 <ka6sox> (oh and gotomypc.com and gotomeeting.com)
Jan 24 08:50:04 <lennert> pc anywhere and netmeeting?
Jan 24 08:50:17 <ka6sox> similar
Jan 24 08:50:20 <ka6sox> web based
Jan 24 08:50:37 <lennert> vnc has java clients too
Jan 24 08:51:06 <NAiL> iirc, gotomypc.com is much faster :)
Jan 24 09:09:27 <AchiestDragon> morning 
Jan 24 09:12:56 <AchiestDragon> i have a question re   the jtag1, jtag2 and jtag3 pins on the i/f ,, at present  jtag1 is input and the other 2 are programable input output  , does this depend on the jtag adaptor , or do jtag2,3 need to be bidirectional 
Jan 24 09:15:29 <AchiestDragon> on the new design i can use   jtag1,2 and 3   and provide  seperate inputs and ouputs that the adaptor can be configured so if they require inputs thease pins are wired to input and outputs if outputs needed   
Jan 24 10:54:01 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk ping
Jan 24 10:54:09 <beewoolie-afk> [g2]: hello
Jan 24 10:54:33 <beewoolie-afk> Sleep is always good for fixing bugs.
Jan 24 10:54:59 <[g2]> amen brother bee !
Jan 24 11:29:58 <lennert> ka6sox-office: email?
Jan 24 14:48:30 <ka6sox-office> lennert, cool!
Jan 24 14:48:38 <ka6sox-office> I hope that will speed things up.
Jan 24 14:48:44 <lennert> the ep93xx stuff?
Jan 24 14:48:46 <lennert> let's hope
Jan 24 14:49:22 <ka6sox-office> ya..I hope so.
Jan 24 14:52:01 <lennert> i'm inclined to bypass them.. but have been convinced not to
Jan 24 14:52:10 <lennert> cause they mean well
Jan 24 16:07:43 <beewoolie-afk> [g2]: ?
Jan 24 16:08:12 <beewoolie-afk> [g2]: I know why you aren't receiving email from me.
Jan 24 16:32:28 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk why's that ?
Jan 24 16:33:38 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk you'll probably miss the shipping deadline today
Jan 24 16:33:45 <beewoolie-afk> [g2]: Your mail server is rejecting me...
Jan 24 16:34:01 <beewoolie-afk> telnet clmboh-01.mgw.rr.com 25
Jan 24 16:34:01 <beewoolie-afk> Trying 65.24.7.11...
Jan 24 16:34:01 <beewoolie-afk> Connected to clmboh-mx-02.mgw.rr.com.
Jan 24 16:34:01 <beewoolie-afk> Escape character is '^]'.
Jan 24 16:34:01 <beewoolie-afk> 450-clmboh-mx-02.mgw.rr.com
Jan 24 16:34:02 <beewoolie-afk> 450 #4.1.3 Relaying temporarily denied. Cannot resolve PTR record for 206.124.142.26
Jan 24 16:34:04 <beewoolie-afk> Connection closed by foreign host.
Jan 24 16:34:18 <beewoolie-afk> your mail server has a policy that is not compliant with the RFCs.
Jan 24 16:34:31 <[g2]> odd, I'm getting e-mail from others
Jan 24 16:34:36 <beewoolie-afk> PTR records are controlled by my ISP and, it appears, they choose not to have one.
Jan 24 16:34:51 <beewoolie-afk> [g2]: That just means that other ISP are publishing PTR records.
Jan 24 16:40:28 <beewoolie-afk> Lots of ISPs do things that aren't valid as long as it 'works for me!'
Jan 24 16:40:42 <beewoolie-afk> Doesn't make their behavior correct or a good idea.
Jan 24 16:42:01 <vmaster> [07:46] < beewoolie> vmaster has made the 2232 solution out to be a failure, as far as I can tell.
Jan 24 16:42:05 <vmaster> not really a failure
Jan 24 16:42:21 <vmaster> but certainly not as good as 6 mhz tck rate suggest it could be
Jan 24 17:13:16 <beewoolie-afk> vmaster: I don't have the benefit of chat logs, but I'm quite certain you've made the performance of the 2232, especially with respect to aggregate throughput.
Jan 24 17:33:44 <vmaster> mhh, there's always ibot.rikers.org for your log needs
Jan 24 17:34:17 <ka6sox-office> I keep forgetting about that.
Jan 24 17:36:20 <vmaster> regarding the ft2232: when doing blind writes to the dcc at 6mhz tck i achieve about 120kByte/s - one write to the dcc register requires 51 tck cycles (7x tms, 37x tdi, 7x tms), so this is about 1.5 MHz
Jan 24 17:43:18 <vmaster> okay, n8 everyone, i'm off
Jan 24 18:29:42 <beewoolie-afk> nite vmaster
Jan 24 18:29:58 <beewoolie-afk> The speed he is reporting, 120KB/s is really quite good.
Jan 24 18:30:49 <beewoolie-afk> What I think may be missing is the aggretate throughput when polling is required.
Jan 24 18:31:52 <beewoolie-afk> fortunately, ARM figured this out at some point and improved the efficiency of polling.
Jan 24 23:32:03 <beewoolie-afk> lennert: hi
Jan 24 23:33:26 <ka6sox> nite beewoolie :)
Jan 25 00:13:57 <lennert> beewoolie: hi and bye :)
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