**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Feb 10 10:59:56 2006 Feb 10 11:07:06 Me too Feb 10 11:07:16 The page headers say it all Feb 10 11:07:56 I was gonna say something about that; but I couldnt remember Bee's Email, so I was gonna do it from home, thanks for reminding me ! Feb 10 11:08:16 oh and thanks for the wav file, now I know how to say Buytenhek. Feb 10 11:32:29 <[g2]> lennert morning Feb 10 11:32:45 morning Feb 10 11:33:35 <[g2]> lennert got a sip or softphone ? Feb 10 11:33:49 nope Feb 10 11:34:02 <[g2]> you'll have to find one at the uni Feb 10 11:34:15 i'm pretty sure there is no sip or softphone here, why? Feb 10 11:34:36 * [g2] scored a loaner unit last night at the LUG for a couple months Feb 10 11:34:47 <[g2]> then I can "talk" to you Feb 10 11:34:53 oh.. a loaner sip/softphone Feb 10 11:34:54 <[g2]> direct IP-to-IP Feb 10 11:35:07 hmm, i should try to set that up Feb 10 11:35:17 <[g2]> just the say hi Feb 10 11:35:36 <[g2]> I'd love got the the wav too Feb 10 11:35:43 <[g2]> s/got/get/ Feb 10 11:35:43 [g2] meant: I'd love get the the wav too Feb 10 11:35:52 my other half uses skype quite a bit Feb 10 11:36:06 http://www.wantstofly.org/~buytenh/lennert_buytenhek.wav IIRC Feb 10 11:36:28 <[g2]> Ok... Feb 10 11:36:57 <[g2]> this is probably way wrong but I think of it as "buy-ten-heck" Feb 10 11:37:52 the 'ten-heck' is fine, the 'buy' is a bit different Feb 10 11:38:11 <[g2]> bouy Feb 10 11:39:12 * [g2] setup skype sometime Feb 10 11:40:56 i don't think english has the dutch 'ui' sound, i don't know of any language that does Feb 10 11:41:11 kind of like the russian 'bl' or the turkish dotless i Feb 10 12:09:04 u7u7 Feb 10 12:22:15 twinkle works as well as skype in linux Feb 10 12:25:01 hi prpplague Feb 10 12:25:26 * prpplague mumbles something that might be mistaken for some type of morning greeting Feb 10 12:26:11 AchiestDragon: both my kids we sick last night, and on top of that we had a clan of monkeys in tress in the back yard all night long Feb 10 12:26:21 AchiestDragon: needless to say, i got very little sleep Feb 10 12:26:35 k Feb 10 12:27:23 ouch Feb 10 12:27:34 * prpplague wonders if he would get introuble for using pepper spray on the monkeys Feb 10 12:27:44 managed 6hrs sleep last night , better than the 3hrs yesterday Feb 10 12:28:01 guess i shouldn't talk about the 10+ hours i slept last night ;) Feb 10 12:29:55 prpplague: you got a good hifi ? Feb 10 12:30:06 AchiestDragon: yea Feb 10 12:31:02 AchiestDragon: probably get in more trouble with the neighbors if i used that Feb 10 12:31:11 what you need is some recordorded sounds of some preditroy animals , played at full balst for a short time , should disperse them Feb 10 12:31:48 AchiestDragon: ahh good idea Feb 10 12:32:01 AchiestDragon: only one problem Feb 10 12:32:33 AchiestDragon: about the only thing that i can think of is a mean dog, as there are no natural preditors on the island Feb 10 12:32:42 may attract a clan of lions there though Feb 10 12:32:57 hehe Feb 10 12:33:02 no lions on the island Feb 10 12:33:35 well a lion roar sound sould do the job Feb 10 12:34:26 hmm, well no complaints yet about my uClibc changes made yesterday Feb 10 12:34:39 * prpplague checks the bug tracker Feb 10 12:34:42 <[g2]> AchiestDragon did you see the Elephant example of that ? Feb 10 12:34:53 no Feb 10 12:34:55 <[g2]> the predatory sound example Feb 10 12:35:27 <[g2]> the were checkin if elephants could "hear" with their feet Feb 10 12:35:34 <[g2]> by feeling the vibrations Feb 10 12:36:16 <[g2]> the blasted some sound into the earth and elephants at some far off distances first made a protective circle then left the area Feb 10 12:36:43 <[g2]> kinda neat to see Feb 10 12:36:49 <[g2]> on TV Feb 10 12:37:35 if you setup a 4 point sound arround the base of the trees , you could use some odd sound effects that would give the effect of someting that could scare them away with not a lot of volume Feb 10 12:39:40 AchiestDragon: they normally don't stay in our area, they probably will move on in a few days Feb 10 12:40:03 a motion detector and a strobe in a tree may also have a good effect Feb 10 12:40:50 AchiestDragon: my wife who's from the island said its about that time for the eligable females to start mating, so i suspect that all the noise was the males showing off Feb 10 12:41:04 AchiestDragon: surprising how similiar the monkeys are to humans, hehe Feb 10 12:41:35 <[g2]> ooohh aaahhh eeeee ooooo Feb 10 12:41:42 lol Feb 10 12:41:59 <[g2]> aaaahhhhh.... Feb 10 12:42:08 * [g2] lights fag Feb 10 12:42:15 http://www.barbados.org/monkeys.htm Feb 10 12:42:22 hehe Feb 10 12:43:47 there is a young female one near my sister-in-laws house that appears to have a crush on my son, hehe Feb 10 12:45:25 * prpplague tries to focus on work Feb 10 13:28:59 [g2]: ping Feb 10 13:30:58 <[g2]> prpplague ping Feb 10 13:31:10 <[g2]> prpplague pong Feb 10 13:31:14 [g2]: you see the changes i checked into uclibc last night? Feb 10 13:32:20 <[g2]> no Feb 10 13:32:37 <[g2]> I've probably got the log in #uclibc window Feb 10 13:32:55 [g2]: http://buildroot.busybox.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/uClibc/extra/Configs/Config.arm?rev=13889&view=log Feb 10 13:33:23 [g2]: 13888 and 13889 Feb 10 13:34:59 <[g2]> you added arm7 Feb 10 13:35:18 * [g2] goes to check the revs again Feb 10 13:35:57 [g2]: yea arm 7tdmi Feb 10 13:36:20 [g2]: previously to get arm7tdmi you had to choose arm720t and then select no mmu Feb 10 13:36:32 <[g2]> Ok cool Feb 10 13:36:51 [g2]: it also forces ARCH_HAS_MMU for those cpu's that have known mmu Feb 10 13:37:03 <[g2]> that's good to know, but I don't have any arm7 boxen Feb 10 13:37:11 [g2]: ahh ok Feb 10 13:37:13 <[g2]> I'm all ARM9 or XScale Feb 10 13:37:28 <[g2]> but I did see some cute little ARM7 devices Feb 10 13:37:46 [g2]: still, it applies to you, as you no longer have to worry about making sure that the mmu option is set Feb 10 13:38:19 [g2]: i'll be adding some things to buildroot to handle this for the 0.9.28 build of uclibc Feb 10 13:38:47 [g2]: hehe, yea, the juicebox is sweet Feb 10 13:38:54 [g2]: especially for the price these days Feb 10 13:39:35 [g2]: buildroot has been so neglected lately Feb 10 13:39:46 [g2]: trying to make some changes to get it up to speed Feb 10 13:39:56 ~seen beewoolie Feb 10 13:40:06 beewoolie was last seen on IRC in channel #openjtag, 6h 51m 52s ago, saying: 'NN.'. Feb 10 13:42:34 ~seen myass Feb 10 13:42:37 myass <~myass@203.131.110.67> was last seen on IRC in channel #asterisk, 712d 21h 49m 6s ago, saying: 'or BWHAHAHA if u r evil'. Feb 10 13:42:49 hehe Feb 10 13:43:43 wow, two years ago Feb 10 13:43:53 purl never forgets, does he? Feb 10 13:44:27 lennert: only if his logs get cleared Feb 10 14:56:13 http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/pcmcia.pdf ,, 32bit logic analizer to 300mhz and jtag tester in a pcmcia cardbus module :) Feb 10 15:01:17 w00t Feb 10 15:11:04 looks like that woke you up :) Feb 10 15:23:55 must.....have.....coffee! Feb 10 15:27:02 hehe Feb 10 15:27:08 * lennert gives ka6sox-zzzz a nice cup of coffee Feb 10 15:33:47 lennert: I actually had a very nice cup once in Schipol Feb 10 15:35:03 morning velinp Feb 10 15:35:23 hi, ka6sox; up early? Feb 10 15:35:26 yep Feb 10 15:35:33 getting ready for SCALE Feb 10 15:35:47 scale == xscale? Feb 10 15:36:01 www.socallinuxexpo.com Feb 10 15:36:35 nslu2-linux.org has a booth at the expo Feb 10 15:36:52 the LA thing :) leaving today? Feb 10 15:37:05 yes Feb 10 15:37:18 tonight Feb 10 15:37:21 would be glad if you mail some pictures Feb 10 15:37:21 its only 2hrs away Feb 10 15:37:48 I'll post them up in the Gallery that my friend is doing in RAILS Feb 10 15:38:24 ok; will have a look there; managed to send the nas100d to torrino? Feb 10 15:38:43 yes...its there. Feb 10 15:38:49 dwery has it. Feb 10 15:39:07 I hope that he finds the bug in libata (something tells me he has) Feb 10 15:39:21 i see wendy stopped; it's related? Feb 10 15:39:28 yes, I have it.. I think you can almost see it via google maps :) Feb 10 15:39:33 nope. Feb 10 15:39:50 we got new coverage due to the olympics ;) Feb 10 15:39:54 dwery, hold it up for the Space Camera! Feb 10 15:40:11 smiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiile :) Feb 10 15:40:19 he he Feb 10 15:40:25 ide is working fine. Feb 10 15:40:33 in BE? Feb 10 15:40:49 I only tried it in LE, but I guess it will work right in BE too Feb 10 15:41:31 I'm looking to replace the poor Slugs with NAS100D or DSMG600's Feb 10 15:42:03 you should use 2.6.16-rc2-gitx and the latest nslu2 cvs Feb 10 15:42:07 should worki nicely Feb 10 15:42:40 (the swapping with the lack of memory as welll as the IDE should make it better. Feb 10 15:42:47 oops Feb 10 15:42:51 I mixed that up Feb 10 15:42:53 i have two 900mhz boxes at my disposal.. without any form of disk or network :-/ Feb 10 15:43:06 so they're not much good yet Feb 10 15:43:11 lennert: hurry up! ;) Feb 10 15:43:15 900? Feb 10 15:43:20 on the upside, they do run 2.6.16 now Feb 10 15:43:24 dwery: yeah Feb 10 15:43:35 ka6sox: yeah yeah yeah :) Feb 10 15:43:37 he has what I need. Feb 10 15:43:43 Double Expresso! Feb 10 15:43:45 what kind of boxes? Feb 10 15:43:48 lol Feb 10 15:43:57 dwery: the ip fabrics double espresso, see www.ipfabrics.com Feb 10 15:44:16 dwery: pretty nice board -- pci-e x8, two 900mhz ixp2350s, four gigabit ethernet ports Feb 10 15:44:31 whoa! Feb 10 15:45:22 dwery: "only" 128mb of ram per cpu, but there's another 512m of packet ram per cpu which i might be able to convince linux to use as 'regular' ram, which'd give us 640m per cpu Feb 10 15:45:38 and root+swap over gigabit Feb 10 15:45:44 I'm pretty sure you can do it Feb 10 15:45:49 once i get it working, that is Feb 10 15:46:10 the ixp2350 needs the intel access library for the on-chip 10/100 :( Feb 10 15:46:10 ok, where did you stole them from? :-D Feb 10 15:46:49 well, i said i'd do the 2.6 port and port drivers/net/ixp2000 over to the ixp2350, and they gave me the board on loan (but i think they'll let me keep it) Feb 10 15:47:04 ....easy.... Feb 10 15:47:05 lennert: hi; this beauty BE only? Feb 10 15:47:09 i only got 2.6 booting two days ago and prepared the patchset for 2.6.17-rc1 Feb 10 15:47:29 .17-rc1?????????? Feb 10 15:47:32 velinp: according to the docs, yes, but it does have byte swap enable/disable bits all over the place Feb 10 15:47:43 dwery: well, we'd like to get ixp2350 support into 2.6.17-rc1 Feb 10 15:47:48 ah ok ;) Feb 10 15:48:07 for a moment I thought .16 has been release ;) Feb 10 15:48:10 released* Feb 10 15:48:11 nope :) Feb 10 15:48:21 but i have a bunch of patched lined up already Feb 10 15:50:02 s/patched/patches/ Feb 10 15:50:02 lennert meant: but i have a bunch of patches lined up already Feb 10 15:53:38 purl: good boy Feb 10 15:53:38 :), ka6sox Feb 10 15:54:10 okay got my post out (my obligitory post) Feb 10 15:54:37 time for me to finish up the presentation and the flyer :( too much work. Feb 10 15:55:14 ka6sox: good luck in LA :) Feb 10 15:55:50 velinp, thanks Feb 10 15:56:12 wendy *is* stopped or just in a resting mode? Feb 10 15:56:43 don't know; i thought you manage it Feb 10 15:58:49 it's shown as down/not accessible since about 06 UTC Feb 10 15:59:30 lemme log in. Feb 10 15:59:46 at 0600 I guess I was still up ;) Feb 10 16:00:36 wendy is offline. Feb 10 16:00:58 when I get to the lab I'll attempt to accertain her *real* status. Feb 10 16:01:15 (look at blinken lighten. Feb 10 16:01:55 so it seems a network problem; Yoe mailed to velnas 10 minutes ago, ask him? Feb 10 16:09:47 I would say that the box is down. Feb 10 16:09:52 dunno why yet. Feb 10 16:10:27 I'll be in there in about 2hrs. Feb 10 16:10:55 you going to be up for a bit? Feb 10 16:11:04 yes Feb 10 16:11:08 k Feb 10 16:11:16 if you are here I'll report back . Feb 10 16:11:37 today I'm doing about 20 things to get ready. Feb 10 16:11:59 but I would like to have Bob/Wendy both working. Feb 10 16:12:55 :); it's not the most important, anyway; Feb 10 16:14:17 since I'll be there I'll check it out. Feb 10 16:14:30 the disks get thrashed due to swapping. Feb 10 17:09:39 beewoolie-afk: hey hey bud Feb 10 17:09:46 Yo Feb 10 17:09:51 beewoolie-afk: whats cookin Feb 10 17:09:56 Tuns Feb 10 17:10:02 beewoolie-afk: you get your busybox issue solved? Feb 10 17:10:16 My patch worked, so I've left it for the time being. Feb 10 17:10:23 I'm miles from there already. Feb 10 17:10:43 I got all of the pieces for the 2232 adapter and I've verified that the IO works Feb 10 17:10:56 Next step is adding a driver for that part so I can compare the performance. Feb 10 17:11:39 it's the worst part of a project. I am compelled to keep working because there are lots of results and it all seems so easy. Feb 10 17:11:54 I also worked out how to rectify the BSDL mess. Feb 10 17:12:41 beewoolie-afk: what are you doing? Feb 10 17:12:41 prpplague: what are you up to? Feb 10 17:12:57 :-) Feb 10 17:13:09 beewoolie-afk: i'm trying to climb out from a ton of patches that need to be finished and submitted Feb 10 17:13:10 it's all JTAG man Feb 10 17:13:16 beewoolie-afk: yea, i figured Feb 10 17:13:25 Oh, and I submitted my Sharp patches to RMK. Feb 10 17:13:44 beewoolie-afk: i mean you said "compare the performance" compare it to what? Feb 10 17:13:45 I think I like git. Feb 10 17:13:47 beewoolie-afk: cool Feb 10 17:14:12 Oh. I have code that works for the parallel port devices. So, I want to establish some baseline data for comparisons. Feb 10 17:15:03 beewoolie-afk: ahh Feb 10 17:15:09 I've got two Xilinx parallel port devices, the 2232, and another custom parallel port device which should be capable of at least 4 MHz downloads Feb 10 17:15:15 beewoolie-afk: are you using the openocd stuff? or writing your own? Feb 10 17:15:25 It's also about making the interface smoother. Feb 10 17:15:27 beewoolie-afk: you using the dlpdesign protoboard? Feb 10 17:15:43 No, I'm not using openocd. He has different goals from me. Feb 10 17:15:53 ahh me either Feb 10 17:16:18 beewoolie-afk: maybe we need to get together on this, as i'm working on the 2232 as wekk Feb 10 17:16:19 well Feb 10 17:16:20 I'm using the board that ep1220 designed It has some 245's, power supply magic, and the DLP chip. Feb 10 17:16:21 re Right. All of them are 3.3V. ,, actualy sounds like that chip has lost its gnd refarence Feb 10 17:16:39 AchiestDragon: Huh? Feb 10 17:16:52 beewoolie-afk: ahh, i'm just using the straight 2232 from dlp Feb 10 17:16:52 AchiestDragon: Are you answering my questions from last night? Feb 10 17:16:59 yes Feb 10 17:17:02 prpplague: I suppose that should work. Feb 10 17:17:23 AchiestDragon: thanks for looking at it. :-) It turns out that it is even simpler than that. Feb 10 17:17:29 beewoolie-afk: i've got mine setup for jtag and one rs-232 Feb 10 17:17:42 I didn't notice that I needed to drive one of the output pins to pull the OE pin low. Feb 10 17:17:45 beewoolie-afk: that way i can jtag and get a serial console from the same device Feb 10 17:17:49 Once I did that, it worked great. Feb 10 17:18:03 k kool Feb 10 17:19:10 prpplague: I saw that it has that ability. Feb 10 17:19:17 It's a very nice solution for debugging. Feb 10 17:19:22 yea Feb 10 17:19:35 beewoolie-afk: i also have a configuration for programming nand flash Feb 10 17:20:02 beewoolie-afk: and i've been writing a driver for the enc28j60 using the spi interface Feb 10 17:23:19 My design allows for adding custom drivers like that. Feb 10 17:23:36 The idea is to allow a target, once detected, to tell the application what it can do. Feb 10 17:23:56 Detection isn't the key. Configurability is. Feb 10 17:29:09 beewoolie-afk: any code posted yet? Feb 10 17:29:32 beewoolie-afk: my stuff probably won't be as fancy as yours Feb 10 17:30:09 At the moment, I have lots of pieces that work and a test fixture. Feb 10 17:30:25 beewoolie-afk: ahh Feb 10 17:30:29 When I get the command interface up and it can handle the simple tasks, I'll post. Feb 10 17:30:36 beewoolie-afk: ok Feb 10 17:30:53 beewoolie-afk: might make more sense for me to just work on your code and add the things i need Feb 10 17:31:04 beewoolie-afk: which reminds me Feb 10 17:31:07 I've programmed flash and I've demonstrated that I can talk to the ARMv4 cores and handle the bus transactions on the ARMv4's and the Xscale. Feb 10 17:31:15 beewoolie-afk: gotta get that s3c2410 patches for apex sent in Feb 10 17:31:26 :-) Whenever you're ready. Feb 10 17:31:27 beewoolie-afk: lovely Feb 10 17:31:45 I've been thinking about moving to git so that people can push patches that way. Feb 10 17:32:12 beewoolie-afk: i much prefer svn or cvs than git Feb 10 17:33:26 beewoolie-afk: i've been hope'n you'd put apex up on svn Feb 10 17:33:44 * prpplague got way too much work to do Feb 10 17:33:45 It is on SVN, but I haven't posted the repo. Feb 10 17:33:50 I'll see about it. Feb 10 17:34:02 Git is nicer, IMHO, for distributed development. Feb 10 17:34:49 beewoolie-afk: i would expect so, just with the low numbers of concurrent dev i normally do, its not a big issue Feb 10 17:35:37 beewoolie-afk: why are you using such an old busybox anyway? Feb 10 17:36:44 I don't really know. Perhaps I got it from debian and used it as is. Feb 10 17:37:37 beewoolie-afk: not using OE or buildroot to do your builds? Feb 10 17:38:56 Pleas, don't get me started. Feb 10 17:39:11 hehe Feb 10 17:39:40 beewoolie-afk: OE is way too overcomplicate for my needs Feb 10 17:39:52 beewoolie-afk: buildroot is good, just has been left idle too long Feb 10 17:40:05 beewoolie-afk: thats why i took of the patch/bug tracker for buildroot Feb 10 17:40:08 I wasn't able to get buildroot to do the basics, either. Feb 10 17:40:17 beewoolie-afk: really? Feb 10 17:40:22 beewoolie-afk: thats interesting Feb 10 17:40:24 I spent months trying to get one of the existing solutions to work. Feb 10 17:40:39 beewoolie-afk: i can do a basic build for the lnode80 in about 10 minutes Feb 10 17:40:40 Perhaps buildroot did build, but adding what I needed wasn't going to work. Feb 10 17:40:58 beewoolie-afk: mind if ask what you needed to add? Feb 10 17:40:59 Moreover, none of them were good about helping us achieve a stable build environment. Feb 10 17:41:16 beewoolie-afk: interesting Feb 10 17:41:33 You can download the BSP for the Sharp targets from my wiki. Feb 10 17:41:51 beewoolie-afk: thanks i'll have a look Feb 10 17:41:54 to be honest, it was more than a year ago and I don't remember all of the problems. Feb 10 17:42:05 I do recall that scratchbox messed up my system. Feb 10 17:42:14 OE failed to build *way* too often. Feb 10 17:42:26 beewoolie-afk: yea i was just about to type that i wish you had kept notes, i'm always looking to make things better Feb 10 17:42:34 beewoolie-afk: hehe yea Feb 10 17:42:42 I have notes somewhere. Feb 10 17:43:00 There's a file each for "Why I Hate ___" Feb 10 17:43:37 hehe Feb 10 17:45:55 * prpplague dl's sharp bsp Feb 10 17:46:35 beewoolie-afk: anything is better than that metrowerks/lineo crap that they had before Feb 10 17:47:03 Yeah. Feb 10 17:47:22 The most reliable way to build it is with a VMWare session. Feb 10 17:47:41 It builds properly on most distributions, but apparently Ubuntu has an issue. Feb 10 17:47:55 The best way is to download the ISO image, but I don't have BW to host that. Feb 10 17:48:24 beewoolie-afk: well if you decide to go with buildroot, checking in your changes to the main tree will be easy Feb 10 17:48:46 OK. I really really really didn't want to create my own solution. Feb 10 17:48:55 hehe Feb 10 17:48:58 At the time, I needed too much. Feb 10 17:49:05 yea, i understand Feb 10 17:49:06 I had to build opie, qt Feb 10 17:49:36 And, I came up with a design for a tool to make this all easier, but I haven't been willing to work on it. Feb 10 17:50:10 It's a big task, building a software system to do, essentially, make, distcc, and all that OE and buildroot do as well. Feb 10 17:50:49 yep Feb 10 17:51:13 beewoolie-afk: aml's main problem has been keeping their software current Feb 10 17:51:24 AML? Feb 10 17:51:29 beewoolie-afk: the original developers built the images by hand with tons of hacking Feb 10 17:51:35 beewoolie-afk: the company i work for Feb 10 17:51:41 beewoolie-afk: http://www.amltd.com Feb 10 17:51:42 My problem with all of the tools is that they don't handle dependencies properly. Feb 10 17:51:47 Oh, you guys. Feb 10 17:52:17 beewoolie-afk: yea, dependencies are always a big deal Feb 10 17:52:55 Yeah. I think that no one has paid close enough attention to it. It is solvable, but it requires a general approach. Even Debian is only approximately correct. Feb 10 17:53:30 beewoolie-afk: kergoth has tried hard to solve the problem with oe but in doing so he's made the whole deal unusable, imho Feb 10 17:53:55 beewoolie-afk: i love the easy to understand structure of buildroot Feb 10 17:53:57 Yeah. I've watched that saga and it is heartbreaking. Feb 10 17:54:10 They have good intentions, but I think that the reach for LUA is misguided. Feb 10 18:02:38 \ Feb 10 18:26:07 hi VoodooZ Feb 10 18:26:26 hey. Feb 10 18:27:04 how are you doing? Feb 10 18:27:53 not bad. you? Feb 10 18:28:11 I'm trying to get my arse in gear as the robot competition is in april. Feb 10 18:28:38 whoa...gonna be tough sledding to get ready eh? Feb 10 18:29:03 well, lots of hardware left to do and lots more programming/testing. Feb 10 18:29:36 ah...have you met AchiestDragon he is a fellow Robotics guy. Feb 10 18:32:17 hi Feb 10 18:33:30 yep. I think we did chat earlier right? Feb 10 18:33:47 VoodooZ, has been working on a robot that uses the NSLU2 as its brains :) Feb 10 18:33:50 think so Feb 10 18:33:59 Not sure about the alias though but I was talking with someone on the #robotics channel. Feb 10 18:34:56 is in #robotics ##microcontrllers and some other chans Feb 10 18:35:08 ok. must be the same dude then. :) Feb 10 18:35:16 :) Feb 10 18:38:54 sorry If I'm a bit slow to reply but beewoolie-afk is explaining something to me in #nslu2-linux Feb 10 18:39:17 :-) Feb 10 18:39:48 the programmer /Logic Analyzer we are working on might be of interest to you VoodooZ Feb 10 18:40:42 you mean the whole openjtag thing? Feb 10 18:41:33 yes Feb 10 18:41:53 incorporating a Logic Analyzer into the system. Feb 10 18:49:04 yikes! that project just got much more involved! :) Feb 10 18:49:47 yep..but much more useful :) Feb 10 18:52:26 definitely! Feb 10 18:59:23 back in a bit..going to the Salt Mine Feb 10 19:01:23 ka6sox: mailed "snow pics"; Feb 10 19:29:08 velinp, thanks Feb 10 20:30:19 <[g2]> beewoolie-afk heh Feb 10 20:30:39 Hi Feb 10 20:30:58 <[g2]> lennert and dyoung-away probably already have your email addr right ? Feb 10 20:32:29 I don't care if people have my email. Feb 10 20:32:35 I'd just rather it not be in the chat logs. Feb 10 20:34:34 <[g2]> ok. Feb 10 20:34:45 It isn't hard to find my email address, after all. Feb 10 20:34:49 <[g2]> beewooile-afk@foobar,com Feb 10 20:34:55 :-) Feb 10 21:26:20 beewoolie-afk, even I have it :) Feb 10 21:36:52 ka6sox-office: ping Feb 10 21:37:07 I wonder if you can explain part of ep1220's circuit. Feb 10 21:37:33 what part Feb 10 21:38:03 what is the OP-AMP used for, the one that connects to to VCCSW Feb 10 21:38:24 auto voltage detect Feb 10 21:38:26 I was hoping that I'd be able to detect VCCTarget, but it doesn't look like it. Feb 10 21:38:39 Can I use it to detect when the target is attached? Feb 10 21:39:18 k ,on the diagram of it i have , 2 of the caps for that donot have values Feb 10 21:39:39 Right. Feb 10 21:39:56 I think that the top OP amp is used to supply a drive voltage. Feb 10 21:39:58 but if that is sorted then yes it will only work when connected to a target Feb 10 21:40:18 Yeah, but I don't think I can detect when that is happening. Feb 10 21:41:18 it detects the target voltage and should provide a voltage out that is used to drive the jtag side voltage of the buffers Feb 10 21:41:33 Right. But I'd like to know when the target is plugged in. Feb 10 21:42:06 It's an option to use that voltage to drive the TAP, but I don't think I can know if that voltage is non-zero. Feb 10 21:42:21 true Feb 10 21:42:54 Moreover, even if I could, I think it's only interesting when the output voltage jumper selects that for the buffers. Feb 10 21:43:28 Thanks AZ. I was just hoping for the feature. It isn't really that important since I can tell when there are no IDCODES on the scan chain. Feb 10 21:43:45 It's nice to have the detect bit because I can check it at any time and know that the target is connected. Feb 10 21:45:48 k, in most cases the vcc supplyed form te taget board would be able to drive the buffers without the opamp section Feb 10 21:52:38 tipical , i canot get RHoS compliant lead free solder paste in anything smaller than 500g tubs , only looking for a 10g tube of it Feb 10 21:59:20 yep Feb 10 21:59:36 beewoolie-afk, he explained it better than I could have :) Feb 10 21:59:49 :-) Feb 10 22:00:22 Damn. Is this lead free stuff kinda new? Feb 10 22:00:35 yes Feb 10 22:00:51 there is a major move towards the RoHS stuff. Feb 10 22:02:04 I bought all RoHS components when I could find them. Mostly, they were the same price. Feb 10 22:02:23 the rule in the uk is that all electronic manufacture must use it , canot remebe the stat date but its this year some time Feb 10 22:02:43 Gotta do the errands. Feb 10 22:02:46 TTFN Feb 10 22:02:49 k Feb 10 22:02:55 hi to dollface Feb 10 22:05:09 so all the industry here is changing to it so its a requiement that is needed Feb 10 22:06:37 same as here Feb 10 22:07:38 i still got a 500g roll of leaded fine solder , at the rate i go though it will be another 8 years before its used up Feb 10 22:08:08 know that feeling Feb 10 22:09:55 although for repairs if the circut is made using leaded solder then your going to need leaded solder to repair it with Feb 10 22:11:53 yep Feb 10 22:16:13 is wodring about the headder for the hat board , the style i was looking at is available , but the idc cable end is listed as nolonger manufactured Feb 10 22:16:24 wondering Feb 10 22:17:05 that is the .05"? Feb 10 22:17:12 yes Feb 10 22:17:26 I havent' seen that cable/connector used in a while. Feb 10 22:18:02 in 68 way it was used for scsi internal connections Feb 10 22:18:15 scsi2 or 3 Feb 10 22:19:08 but theres now a diferent style one used for scsi3 more like a mini d type Feb 10 22:19:44 http://uk.farnell.com/productimages/farnell/standard/42422849.jpg Feb 10 22:20:19 but at £11 i think not Feb 10 22:20:50 they do have plastic ones. Feb 10 22:21:00 but they still may be 11 Feb 10 22:21:15 that is plastic Feb 10 22:21:24 ouch Feb 10 22:22:06 11 is too much Feb 10 22:22:14 DIN? Feb 10 22:22:22 the one i have been using the footprint for is http://uk.farnell.com/productimages/farnell/standard/929276405-40.jpg Feb 10 22:22:53 not dense enough Feb 10 22:23:16 how about the plasic ones with the eject handles they should have 3 high ones. Feb 10 22:23:21 that is £4.5 for the pcb end and £6 for the cable ,, its 1.27mm pitch Feb 10 22:23:51 let me see what I can find at digikey. Feb 10 22:23:53 no 3 high ones in there cataog Feb 10 22:24:02 maybe something there. Feb 10 22:24:08 k Feb 10 22:24:20 68 way or higher Feb 10 22:24:24 k Feb 10 22:28:03 http://www.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail?Ref=162590&Row=65021&Site=US Feb 10 22:28:30 I think this might be too wide. Feb 10 22:32:03 thats the same as the type i have used the footprint for Feb 10 22:32:35 yes would like something a bit narrower Feb 10 22:34:04 k Feb 10 22:40:08