**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jun 06 02:59:57 2006
Jun 06 18:09:02 <gandhijee> hey anyone here ever get the linux ixp400_eth module to compile?
Jun 06 18:10:01 <prpplague> gandhijee: might have to wait awhile to get an answer
Jun 06 18:11:04 <gandhijee> ahh, you are stalkin me
Jun 06 18:11:09 <gandhijee> not a problem
Jun 06 18:12:43 * prpplague has been on irc for a long time doing embedded dev
Jun 06 18:13:54 <gandhijee> prpplauge: i am doing some work on an IXP465
Jun 06 18:21:24 <gandhijee> prpplauge:you ever mess with xscale?
Jun 06 18:23:06 <prpplague> gandhijee: only enough for a basic eval, intel keeps their life cycle too short for most companies to use it
Jun 06 18:23:20 <gandhijee> i see
Jun 06 18:23:44 <gandhijee> but they keep the NPE's the same pretty much don't they?
Jun 06 18:24:17 <prpplague> gandhijee: not sure about that
Jun 06 18:24:37 <prpplague> gandhijee: i know there are some issue with it being proprietary modules and such but that about it
Jun 06 18:24:59 <gandhijee> i do know that these fucker makes it a pain in the ass to get the damn things working if u don't use montavista linux
Jun 06 18:25:19 <prpplague> hehe yea, MV likes it that way
Jun 06 18:25:56 <gandhijee> i finally got most of the stuff up, now i just need to get the damned kernel module built for the NPE and i'll be on my way
Jun 06 18:39:46 <vmaster> heh, montavista invented linux, no wonder intel relies on them ;)
Jun 06 18:40:27 <gandhijee> invented linux?
Jun 06 18:42:22 <vmaster> heh, yeah, basically... sure, there are the minor things that linus and a million others did, but that's nothing in mv's opinion ;)
Jun 06 18:43:07 <vmaster> i'm refering to a talk i watched this year at fosdem, and my impression seems to be consistent with what others said about other mv talks
Jun 06 18:47:15 <vmaster> ~seen g2
Jun 06 18:47:22 <purl> g2 <n=ghenry@mail.suretecsystems.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 123d 22h 44m 32s ago, saying: 'anyone know how to check a CD is in a drive and it's blank via the commandline for a script?'.
Jun 06 18:47:45 <vmaster> ~seen g2-lap
Jun 06 18:47:47 <purl> vmaster: i haven't seen 'g2-lap'
Jun 06 18:52:24 <gandhijee> i guess you mean that MV did a lot of work on the kernel?
Jun 06 18:54:33 <vmaster> heh, i was just being a bit sarcastic - sure, montavista did a lot of work on the kernel, but listening to that talk one got the impression that all linux is about is montavista and mobile phones
Jun 06 18:54:56 <gandhijee> O
Jun 06 18:55:10 <prpplague> and they offered something that you really need in the biz world, a name to back the product
Jun 06 18:55:28 <prpplague> businesses want someone to be responsible if they have problem with the code
Jun 06 18:55:44 <gandhijee> true
Jun 06 18:56:10 <gandhijee> i want to bitch smack intel for using them to integrate the ixp400 patches for them
Jun 06 18:56:28 <prpplague> gandhijee: just feel lucky it was lineo
Jun 06 18:57:14 <gandhijee> lineo?
Jun 06 18:57:39 <vmaster> an embedded-linux distri, iirc
Jun 06 18:57:50 <gandhijee> O
Jun 06 18:59:20 <gandhijee> and they "integrated" the ixp source forge project into thier site too
Jun 06 19:02:55 <prpplague> gandhijee: yea lineo did a bunch of ports when they were in business and their patches were horrible
Jun 06 19:07:28 <gandhijee> so from what i gather from you guys, i actually have to write the ixp400_eth driver for my linux tree
Jun 06 19:07:29 <gandhijee> ?
Jun 06 19:07:49 <vmaster> no, you should rather asked someone who knows the ixp ;)
Jun 06 19:07:52 <vmaster> -ed
Jun 06 19:07:59 <vmaster> i.e. not me
Jun 06 19:08:33 <gandhijee> man i think i got myself in deeper than i wanted to
Jun 06 19:10:28 <prpplague> welcome to the embedded world where you just spoke our motto "in deeper than i wanted"
Jun 06 19:12:16 <gandhijee> making this IP-PBX is gonna be a calk walk once i get this bs done
Jun 06 19:14:42 <vmaster> is this a hobby project? or a product you're working on?
Jun 06 19:15:28 <vmaster> i'm asking because the licensing terms seem to be a cause of trouble
Jun 06 19:19:15 <gandhijee> hobby
Jun 06 19:19:24 <gandhijee> i have an IXP465 here that i wanna port asterisk too
Jun 06 19:19:45 <gandhijee> and zaptel
Jun 06 19:20:01 <vmaster> ok, at least you don't have to worry about licensing then
Jun 06 19:20:31 <gandhijee> ??
Jun 06 19:20:35 <gandhijee> licensing for what?
Jun 06 19:20:41 <gandhijee> the intel crap?
Jun 06 19:21:40 <prpplague> for the npe
Jun 06 19:22:26 <vmaster> but as you're not going to sell this, you don't have to worry about combining GPL stuff with intel's proprietary license
Jun 06 19:23:14 <gandhijee> i've actually looked at that
Jun 06 19:23:27 <gandhijee> i can't merge the NPE stuff in to the kernel
Jun 06 19:23:36 <gandhijee> but i can make it a module that links to the kernel
Jun 06 19:23:46 <gandhijee> and distribute it that way if i wanted to make a produc
Jun 06 19:23:47 <gandhijee> y
Jun 06 19:23:48 <gandhijee> t
Jun 06 19:24:01 <gandhijee> which i am thinking about doing if i can get it to work right
Jun 06 19:24:11 <vmaster> there are kernel developers who believe that linking proprietary modules infringes the linux copyright
Jun 06 19:25:21 <gandhijee> yes i know
Jun 06 19:26:03 <gandhijee> i think SuSE has some stuff in it now that wont let propritary modules be used
Jun 06 19:27:13 <vmaster> mhh, they just moved proprietary modules out of their distribution
Jun 06 19:27:25 <vmaster> offering vendors a way to distribute their modules directly to the user
Jun 06 19:27:35 <vmaster> while taking care that the modules match the suse kernels
Jun 06 19:27:54 <vmaster> LWN was quite positive on that
Jun 06 19:28:09 <gandhijee> don't know what LWN is
Jun 06 19:28:47 <vmaster> www.lwn.net
Jun 06 19:29:15 <vmaster> my favourite source for linux related news
Jun 06 19:29:20 <gandhijee> ok
Jun 06 19:29:29 <gandhijee> thats what i thought it was, just wasn't sure
Jun 06 19:30:11 <vmaster> you could try #nslu2-linux
Jun 06 19:30:14 <vmaster> here on freenode
Jun 06 19:30:23 <vmaster> the nslu2 comes with a ixp425
Jun 06 19:30:38 <vmaster> or 420, don't remember for sure
Jun 06 19:31:00 <vmaster> anyway, people idling there probably know what you want
Jun 06 19:31:49 <gandhijee> already there
Jun 06 19:32:04 <gandhijee> i need to find a "proper kernel hacker"
Jun 06 19:32:37 <gandhijee> i might just say screw it and get the O'Reilly Writing Linux Driver book and try to hash it out myself
Jun 06 19:32:51 <gandhijee> god knows i need to learn how to write drivers anyway
Jun 06 19:32:51 <gandhijee> s
Jun 06 19:36:59 <vmaster> well, what did you do so far? maybe i can help you sort this out
Jun 06 19:41:03 <gandhijee> followed intels instructions and integrated the patch and their interface for the NPE's (ixp400_eth)
Jun 06 19:41:34 <gandhijee> and tried to compile it, but it just shits a massive brick when its gets to compiling the ixp400_eth module
Jun 06 19:41:53 <gandhijee> and i don't know where to start to even attempt to write a device driver right now
Jun 06 19:42:12 <vmaster> what kernel are you using?
Jun 06 19:42:43 <gandhijee> 2.6.15.4
Jun 06 19:42:58 <gandhijee> the patches applie no problem though
Jun 06 19:43:12 <gandhijee> actually i should say from 2.6.12 to 2.6.15.4
Jun 06 19:43:32 <gandhijee> apparently before .11 it had a busted scheduler
Jun 06 19:43:43 <vmaster> heh, ok
Jun 06 19:44:31 <vmaster> and the intel patch 1.5.1?
Jun 06 19:44:36 <gandhijee> yep
Jun 06 19:44:46 <gandhijee> its setup according to thier BS directions
Jun 06 19:44:58 <gandhijee> and i removed all the stuff for MV in the make files and pointed it to my toolchain
Jun 06 19:45:31 <vmaster> what toolchain do you use?
Jun 06 19:45:41 <gandhijee> built it myself
Jun 06 19:45:57 <gandhijee> for armeb
Jun 06 19:46:21 <gandhijee> i know the toolchain works as the kernel itself compiles and boots
Jun 06 19:46:43 <gandhijee> minus of course a kernel panic because i haven't figured out how to setup the rootfs properly
Jun 06 19:56:26 <vmaster> you've downloaded the access library and microcode for the npe?
Jun 06 20:01:09 <gandhijee> yepo
Jun 06 20:01:29 <gandhijee> http://pastebin.ca/62631
Jun 06 20:01:49 <gandhijee> i just gonna dive in to this code and see what i can do
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